Shes got what she wants and says their hsppy, but benny is clearly miserable, then he hears the bikes and smiles. Thats what i took from it, for her to be happy he would have to give up what makes him truly happy.,... The bikerlife
@@mrc.p8423 I say it a little differently. I think he has two loves, Kathy and the gang. I think he is happy with her. It looks like he makes eye contact with her before he smiles. To me it seemed like Benny wanted to say he didn't care about anything, but he did. When Johnny died he realized he cared and cried for the first time. He loved both the gang and Kathy. He lost lost the gang when Johnny died and he wasn't there, so he rides back and gets the one other thing he does love.
My ex-girlfriend's dad who was 19 wanted to leave the chapter that he helped started & the club said no, He left after they shot & killed his girlfriend by mistake change his name moved from Joliet IL to Florida & became a mechanic just like in this movie. I saw pictures of him with his hair down to his ass on a chopper, He died many years ago,
Fr. No honor among thieves/thugs or gangsters. That was some pussy and bitch shit. But. What do you expect. From a bunch of thugs. Too much of a coward to fight one on one.
Thanks man. This was the first movie I’ve ever watched, so I need all the help I can get. Can you explain how they recorded it in such HD for the 1960s next please? Thanks and God bless.
People are missing the point. He didn’t stop riding or part of a club. The club portrayed as “Vandals” were actually the Outlaws, and “Benny”, gets his own chapter in Florida. I know people who actually met the man, and his name isn’t Benny.
I think his name actually was Benny, or at least that's what he was called. They tried contacting Kathy Bauer prior to releasing the movie but were unsuccessful. After it was released, their son Kurk called. Kathy passed away sometime before the movie was released but "Benny" is alive and well.
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To me killing off johnny would be ok if his 2 so called brothers would of avenge his death but the fact they just sat in the car and did nothing was sad they should of did that or kept johnny alive loved the movie till the end
This film would’ve been so much better without the Kathy narration. Jodie Comer delivers a cartoonish performance which would be more at home in Fargo. Tom Hardy’s performance is solid however did we need yet another strange cartoonish voice. Austin Butler shows up however his character is written with no responsibility asking viewers why we should care. In fact the movie treats the subject it’s honoring as a meandering nonsensical character study interspersed with a few good moments. Feminist Hollywood found a way to take all the weight out of a story about masculine aggression within male spaces and interject a women’s perspective leaving the story feeling flimsy and inconsequential. If you’re looking for a good film with excellent character study watch Goodfellas instead. The two have their similarities however Goodfellas is the true heavy weight contender here
No. Just no. My God. He looked at Benny as a son if anything. He had two little girls so he couldn’t gift them the club, he was trying to give the club to Benny as a king would give to his heir.
@@zackmckenzie3582well, father -son relationship is clearly not what Nichols intended by any means. He said multiple times in the interviews that this is a story of an unconventional love triangle and that Johnny covets Benny and fighting with Kathy over him, so...I definitely could see this angle.
@@thehumancrumb.668 is it really that much of a reach he had members at his house you think he would still be cool with a club being lead by someone that killed Johnny I just think there's more to that ending then just being he's done riding and done with the club when the club was still there haha
@@outcastamongoutcasts359 that was the old house before he moved to Florida. That was when Johnny was still alive....johnny even went over there.. I doubt he drove all the way down to Florida.
@@outcastamongoutcasts359Yeah, there were at least two different time periods that Kathy got interviewed in the movie. The interviewer explicitly states that he went away for a while and came back to learn more about the aftermath of Johnny's death
@thehumancrumb.668 in that last house where she was telling them to get the bikes off the grass the club was at both houses or maybe I'm tripn haha I'm gonna watch it again eventually
I agree. It was like they took a pic from the book and just made a scene out of it. Then tried to tie them into a story. I thought it was a cool, artsy type film, but it was boring.
That's a good story if we'll watch as a separate thing. In reality Johny survived the shot, was active in the MC for some time, then he started another chapter and eventually left the club. I've seen photo of his "colors". He passed away in 2018, as far as I know. Benny became the book and movie main character only because the story was taken from his wife mostly... Katy passed away, as far as I know, not so long time ago. Benny is still alive and not active in the MC for a loooong time now. He contacted the movie crew and confirmed, that there is only one picture of him in the book - view from the back at the traffic light. It's not him at the main picture next to pool table. There are huge number of additional photos that were not included in the book for some reason. Many of them are avaliable in the Internet. Once again - movie is nice as a separate lovestory of Katy and Benny with the MC in the background.
When all your brothers are sitting in cars witnessing the shooting of a brother and the leader yes the answer is simple quit the club because there is no loyalty.
If Johnny started that club and a chapter of his club got started in Milwaukee how the hell did the kid and his crew join with out Johnny's knowledge? That should by all rights been voted on and approved or disapproved by the club as a whole. What kind of club would want a bunch of punk kids that steal hub caps and probably hold up old ladies for their social security check anyway. Johnny made the right call telling them no. But he screwed up by not showing up as a proper club to get it on with the kid. Fatal error..
I think this account of the film while insightful, but lacks the depth of the knowledge of real life events that inspired the film. If you stayed through the end credits you saw photos from the book by Danny Lyon that was the foundation of the movie. The movie took that book and “fictionalized” a timeline to make a “story” of the events. Obviously it is the “story” of the dominant 1% club in the Chicago area. There is no ambiguity or uncertainty in the ending because we know what happened with the club in its future. The “kid” with the bandana is a representation of the man who became the International President of that club. (RIP) Benny’s look at the end of the movie is one any rider identifies with. You don’t ever get motorcycle riding out of your blood. Once you’re bit by that bug you change. It’s in you. Kathy says everything is good, and Benny wants to be who he really is. A freedom loving bike rider. That’s the beauty of this film, it’s based in reality. These are representations of real people. It’s not a biker club movie, it’s a love story. Johnny’s love for the club he built. Kathy’s love for Benny. Benny’s love for being free in a way only riding a motorcycle can give you. It’s all so clear! I loved this movie.
Excellent summary! I saw it twice in movie theater. The 2nd time I noticed that Johnny mumbled something about how “the kid” would probably like to be the president. It happened the first time the kid came to the Stoplight Bar.
when bikers were wild and full of dreams, they weren't so violent. they weren't so 'political'. they liked wrenching on their cheap-ass bikes, because they WERE cheap back then. there were fights but the bikers weren't a BUSINESS back then. they knew each other and they got along. look at the book for the reality. look at the movie for the hype.
Johnny didn’t want to be president of the Vandals anymore. He was planning to let “the kid” win the knife fight. Benny couldn’t avenge Johnny’s death without becoming president. He never wanted to be president, so he left.
Half Doc, half movie with chronicoligical plot. The Doc side represents accounts that occurred. The movie (albeit telegraphed) paves us a scripted plot via the Doc. I watched the movie to understand a perspective on a biker club that formed in the early '60's and how it devolved. Not for Hollywood's stylized plot twists and maneuvers. Oh, and by the way there was nothing that Benny could do to bring Johnny back and have the club back to its original state. It's better to have had his moment in the clubs sun than to never of had it at all. Everything changes, just look back at your life. Yeah, regrets may be plenty but the most we can hope for is to minimize our failures of now and tomorrow. Benny represents all of us, some way and some how.
They probably left it as that in case it becomes a huge success. They can make a part 2 . If not they can leave it as that. Lots of films do that they'll leave a little something. They'll probably make a part 2 of him avenging Johnny and him longing for riding again. If it blows up
Kathy did not return after a period away, Benny was the one who left after she demanded he quit the club. He eventually returned to her. This is significant to their relationship and Benny's state of mind.
His smile at the end is like Mona Lisa's 😂 also I think the character Benny in the movie clearly displayed features of a Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD)? I wish someone would analyse the psychological aspect and the dynamics between the three main characters in a video.
@brandonehansen They came to a meet expecting a knife fight and the kid pulls a gun. They didn't expect it, they were shocked, and they didn't know what to do. From both their reaction, and Benny's reaction to the Cockroach send off, the use of guns wasn't all that common, especially when they expect a member to honor the rules of a traditional, club sanctioned challenge.
@@Pnk_Rckr even then you'd think they go after him or something. Not just let it be . Like ok he just killed our leader. By a pussy move. Brought a gun . When it was strictly a knife fight. Like you said rules.
@@thehumancrumb.668 They just didn't see it coming. Sometimes, moments like those make it difficult to move, regardless of who they are. They saw someone, a brother who they thought was invincible, get shot by some punk kid. Not only that, they were already out numbered, against atleast one guy with a gun pulled. They knew that they were probably next. They got stunned by a power move
I saw Benny had biker boots on. So he reclaimed the club by challenging the leader who killed his boy. And now he and his wife act like nothing just like the Original Leader and his wife.
So hear me out. What if the ending is real bikes, it’s the gang coming for Benny, because he is still in the gang. Benny smiles because he knows it’s time for payback for Johnny finally.
My theory is that Benny actually died in a biking accident after Johnny's death and Kathy is just playing their happy life in her head. Nobody else is actually seen speaking with Benny after he leaves the bar staggering after learning of Johnny's death and we know after watching the film that Benny is a risk taker and loves to go fast. That plus being broken up after learning of Johnny's death seem consequential. The foreshadow of everybody saying that every time Benny gets on a motorcycle he ends up in a crash almost seems certainty of his death. Even during the entire interview process, Kathy speaks of Benny almost as if he is in the past tense.
I actually agree and to me it also seemed exactly like this: he is gonna come back riding. But I saw some people thinking that his smile and the look on his face indicated that he is happy with Kathy and won't return to that life. @@johngrepo9976
And I did find it ambiguous because of the motorcycle sounds and his facial expression can be read differently. Of course Kathy wants to think that he is happy, they are happy, but maybe in the next 5 min he gets up and says "fuck this, I am gonna ride". The ending is open to interpretation. He smiles back to Kathy but what's behind that smile is an open question. I personally find it hard to believe that a person can just ditch everything and turn 180 degrees without regrets. To me it's unbelievable. @@femlin1994
Johnny Lewis (Sons of Anarchy), Johnny Klebitz (The Lost and Damned) and now Johnny Davis from the Bikeriders joins the dead biker Johnny list. But hey, at least Johnny Strabler (The Wild One) survived.
So basically, Johnny put all kinds of energy and loyalty into Benny, who didn’t have a care in the world about anything. Benny totally deserted his family and left them to die.
The importance of loyalty lmao the girl was cheating on her boyfriend within the first few minutes of the movie. Their whole relationship is built off of disloyalty, I doubt that they stayed together 😂
