The Birth Of The D-Beat.. Punk Meets Hardcore. 

I’m glad you see & appreciate that aspect, as it was something I wanted to capture. It’s there now & documented & I’m very pleased about that!

@@91750fast Thank you too.

Certainly was. Buzzcocks were the first band I went to see live!!

Some great bands mentioned right there. Good points made aswell.

@@SpikeTSmith …indeed man!!!!🤘🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥🔥✌️👍

Thank you.

Thank you. Really glad you enjoyed it. I felt it was important to hear from the guys who first played the rhythm in a punk setting & hear where it all began for them.

I’m glad you recognise this. It was one of my main motivations behind doing it:

That’s great. Actually sounds like a song The Damned could have played more than Discharge but the traits are there for sure. Nice find!!

That is a gem for sure.

Thanks for this very interesting comment & your observations. I’ll definitely have a listen to the Byrds song & Max’s solo too. I’m glad you enjoyed the video aswell.

Certainly is.

Massive influence on me. It was amazing to have this conversation with him.

It had to be done. This kind of thing needs to be documented, so I decided to take the time & make the necessary actions to make it happen.

@@SpikeTSmith It absolutely had to be done and it was done by the right person for the job. Learning how to play a D-Beat many many years ago changed my life in a very positive way. It's such a fundamental part of our culture and no matter what skill level a fellow punk has when it comes to guitar, you start cracking a D-Beat, they'll know exactly what to do. I will never get tired of playing it and I will never get tired of teaching it.

@@chrischarge3129 Keep the 🔥 burning.

Thanks for checking it out. Glad you enjoyed it & yes more to come soon!!

Glad you enjoyed it. Have you seen my other videos in my D beat series?

@@SpikeTSmith Making my way through them all. Going to watch your How to Dbeat vid from my kit tonight!

@@mvarnzo5709 Excellent. Let me know how you get on?

Thanks Patrick.

Glad you enjoyed it.

Glad you enjoyed it. Have you checked out my other D beat videos?

Cheers for Checking it out Mark. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks for checking it out mate. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thank you Al. Glad you enjoyed it & I have to agree regarding how little was documented which was exactly why I wanted to do it. Thankfully we now have something that can be referred to at any time.

Haha.. well spotted.

Glad you enjoyed it.

Thank you.

Hey!! Thanks for the compliment Daniel & I’m glad you liked the video. Your own handy work blended in nicely & I hope you don’t mind me including it. Of course I’ve got a lot to do to get my video skills up to yours!! Take care mate.

@@SpikeTSmith My pleasure spike, love watching you play. Your video skills are cracking mate. Take care

Thanks. Glad you like it.

I hear what you are saying & the rhythm itself is definitely primitive as I pointed out in the documentary. Not sure about violent though. I guess you are referring to the energy & anger that comes out in the music. It could be argued that Discharge who were very anti war in their lyrics were really trying to promote an anti violence message..

Celtic frost is first album sounds like a discharge cover one lol

more!!

@@rsmko Next will be examples on how to be creative with the drum rhythm.

Cheers Howard. Glad you enjoyed it.

@@SpikeTSmith Very interesting and well edited.Sound and video great quality.Well done Spike!👍

@@howardmay1 My new talent.. editing!! Haha..

Me too!

Thanks for checking it out.

Cheers Chris. Glad you enjoyed it.

Hey Gogo. Glad you enjoyed it. Have you seen the first one yet?

@@SpikeTSmith no. I had to🙂

@@gorazdr8197 sorry I meant the second one.. this is the first. I put it up yesterday.

definitely

I hope you enjoyed it..

well, it was your Crass "last supper" performance that caught my attention Spike, and i have to say that you knocked it right out man ! and the reason i was searching Crass on the youtube is that it crossed my mind that Penny Rimbaud was such an innovator in punk rock, no one did what he did, with his rudimentary marching snare approach then straight down the middle of the road 4 on the floor but with a swing ! and the way he interacted with the guitar rhythm was so unique. as a young lad back in the 80's Crass really did blow my mind. bot musically and politically of course. but you Sir took it to a level of precision and velocity that was superb. a real challenge i'm sure ! this all led me to your youtube channel and voila ! here we are. so thanks again Spike. take care ! @@SpikeTSmith

@@drabtrash That’s really great man. Yeah, that Crass set was a pleasure to play & I’m glad you appreciated my take on it all. Penny was in a place of his own when it came to his “take” on punk drumming & I for one loved it. I hope you enjoy some of my other vids on my channel. Feel free to subscribe so you can be kept up to date with any new vids I post up too. 👍

Thank you.

Thanks for your comment. I’m glad you like the video. The original punk version of this rhythm was indeed played with the crash following the foot & not the metronomic version you refer to. This came a little later with GBH etc. I talk about this in my instructional how to play a D beat video which is on my channel here. If you can’t find it I can send you the link if you’d like to check it out?

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NHXOBT5al8E.html

@@SpikeTSmith Hey Spike. Thank you so much for your reply. As a drummer I'm really intrigued to talk about these things. I'm actually not too sure what went on with the first style in '77 Discharge, but I've studied Garry Maloney's style and he plays the evenly placed 4/4 consistently. Also, Brian Roe backs this up here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fQwCVBQN1oM.html If you have any footage or sound showing something else, please send it right over :) I always thought that the drum intro to You Tear Me Up by Buzzcocks was rather peculiar, but in relation to your point, it seems that intro is not so original after all :)

@@SpikeTSmith Okay, I just went thru the whole history of Discharge drummers from Anthony, Tezz, Bambi, Garry to Micky, and you're of course absolutely right! Thank you for teaching me, and sorry for making you part of my investigation haha. Tezz was the member behind the D-beat

@@CarinaPrimaBallerina Have a look at this link. You might find it informative for you. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NHXOBT5al8E.html

That’s not actually correct. The D beat & the blast are actually not the same rhythm although it could be argued that once played at super high speed it could be hard to tell the difference. You can’t get the D beat up to the same high tempos as the blast beat though.

@@SpikeTSmith I think the word mick was looking for is "influenced". for him it was all about Tezz and also Disorder and Chaos UK.

@@lewisb85 Yeah, I get that totally.

@@SpikeTSmith The other surprising place they ended up was in the drumming of Florida metalcore band Poison the Well, although in a recent interview PTW drummer Chris Hornbrook gave on youtube he was big into His hero is gone (now tragedy) and From ashes rise, so despite playing in a metalcore/screamo band he wanted to have that element present in the drumming.

​@@SpikeTSmithHe was referring to the way the dog disappeared in the fade-cut haha

@@Sergio-nb4hj oh!! Damn american lingo threw me there. 🤣🤣

Cool tune & band but not really D-beat.

@@SpikeTSmith Yeah it is a cool track.. He's doing what John was doing though on the cymbals following the kick at times. Speed it up a fraction.

@@kingfillins4117 It’s not the same as what John was doing on the cymbals but the emphasis of the beat is similar. Also the drummer is playing it to emphasise the push in the riff as opposed to it being the backbone of the beat.

Glad you like it Jake. Feel free to share it!!

@@SpikeTSmith sure bro, could we maybe see a cover by The Exploited, if you don't do requests thats totally cool mate

@@bludbathh810 Sorry Jake, I don’t do requests but I’m going to have more coming on on the D-Beat with drumming examples & thoughts on how to take the rhythm into new & more developed patterns & ideas. Keep an eye out for these!!

@@SpikeTSmith thats all good mate, good to hear that, keep doing what your doing 👍 👏 🤘🤘🤘

Mad isn’t it..

Sorry, I don’t know what you mean by that request??

@@SpikeTSmith about playing/drumming in this band ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KEdN7yltTeY.html . Punk stuff its what's Greg listened in his very early days, right before Black Sabbath, Napalm death and so on. Vallenfyre was interesting crust death doom side project of Mackintosh, who is also main creative force in Paradise Lost. He like Bolt thrower, Memoriam and stuff. With my request what i would say that your vids is interesting and informative, drumming nice too, so if you knew something about extreme metal blasts, triols and stuff i would like to see more about these

@@user-ek8oo2qv1n Ok, I understand you better now. It’s not something I’m interested in doing at this point. Maybe you should do a video on this subject??

@@SpikeTSmith aaa, sorry, i am mainly writing, i am not good in which you experienced alot! Anyway i am glad about our conversation:)

@@user-ek8oo2qv1n Thank you for taking the time to comment. I hope you have a look at some of my other videos too?

Glad you liked the vid & thanks for checking it out. The beat itself is a “cheat” really as the hand follows the foot & is not what some might say the “technically” correct way to play it. It was more of an approach to get the job done & of course worked a treat too. Motörhead do get a name check of sorts in this as Tezz says that Philthy “Animal” Taylor was his favourite drummer but he simply wasn’t able to play like him. I also mention him in my summary at the end too. It’s worth pointing out from my point that as influential as Motörhead were to punk bands they weren’t a punk band themselves & with this documentary was I focused on the inception of the rhythm in punk hence them (and others) not being included in this.

@@SpikeTSmith Fair play :)

This is about the drumming though not the vocals.

@@SpikeTSmith sure sure, I should have add my 'arguments' right away. And meeting Cal in a seperate video. His unique vocals are historically sewded to the d-beat at its roots. And how beloved he is for a majority and from that people would like to hear from him. Is he doing well and things. Do you have some lights to offer us about him? That would be amazing. Many are asking about him under Discharge videos. Thanks and the best @ you Spike.

@@buddhafx5973 I hear what you are saying & I’m a massive fan of Discharge & Cal’s vocals too but this documentary is about the Drumming behind the music. I’d be as interested as you to know what Cal’s thoughts are about the music he did with the band. That is a documentary for someone else to make though... You perhaps, or maybe someone you know?

@@SpikeTSmith thanks for the answer, appreciated. Will not be me. Someone better positioned will read our words or already have the idea in mind and will bring us Cal out of the shadow for a moment. Having him _dare to speak, speak for a moment_ as like he sang on Grave New World. GNW being by the way a great album to me! Little trivia of interest to share. On their winter North American tour 83-84 they played my city, Quebec city Canada and asked to play it again on their way home as they apparently perticulary enjoyed the crowd. Back then I did cut my head off (glued it back...obviously) missing it as I was an early teenager and heard about it after the fact.... Despite already being a Discharge fan. Thanks again Spike and Cheers!

@@buddhafx5973 I’ve played Quebec City myself in the 90’s & would agree it’s a great place to play.

Yep!! There it is. Both great versions showing the rhythm in a non punk setting many years before D Beat existed.

Yes it is.

I’ve no idea if Morrissey is aware of the “D-beat” I’m sure he wouldn’t be interested either way.

@@SpikeTSmith He did go through his "street punk" phase.

@@lewisb85 🤣🤣👍 Not quite D-beat though.

Thanks for checking it out Ove.

Good point, but It’s a combination of all the components really. Take the bass drum out for instance & the cymbal bashing would sound weak..

Thanks alot. Glad you enjoyed it all. I never played Stockton with Sham though. Maybe you saw me with them somewhere else? Keep up the good work with the drumming!!

@@SpikeTSmith ah ok just assumed you drummed for sham in stockton as the day after i was talking to ben myers and he said he knew the current drummer which seems thought was still you. the teenage punk band me and ben we were in early 90s called sour face had a crazy gig supporting sham at newcastle riverside back then. check out the live clip on my channel ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KEIHHjjvqSA.html

@@blackoperations13 Just checked out the link. Very spirited playing!! Reminds me of my first band & the gigs back then too. Robin Guy is the current drummer of Sham who I’m sure Ben also knows. Cool you were both in a band together. Did you tell him about this little documentary?

Thanks & glad you like it. Looking back it pretty obvious he’s out of his comfort zone. I guess the guitar (for him) was a way to feel a little more relaxed whilst being interviewed.

It's close, but not quite the same. Good call though.

Dee Beet

Here's how ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tBKbIDOWHyU.html&pbjreload=101&ab_channel=%D0%A2%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC

Someone else put this track up in comments too.

Cool.. pretty mind blowing... Their track Hope essentially also has the first blast beat.

Thanks & glad you liked it. The drumming on the link you sent me sounds more like a blast beat to me.. could be wrong though as I just gave it a quick listen.

@@SpikeTSmith it's definitely different than a blast beat. The Mob 47 drummer demonstrates it but quickly ends the vid. He's always been kinda secretive about the technique.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-08hpvP7U69c.html

@@mirapilates you’re right, the drumming in that video is not a blast beat. But it doesn’t sound like the drumming in the song either??

@@SpikeTSmith It's fairly close. Mob 47 were straight Discharge clones when they began but as they started speeding up they became pretty known worldwide. They are on Pusheads "Cleanse The Bacteria" comp. As well as many other releases from the early 80s. I bring it up because me and other drum friends have listened to the beat trying to analyze it. It's almost the galloping D-beat but with a constant crash or ride. Believe me a lot of us Swedish punk fans hold these guys in high regard. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JQSblJYaj8w.html

@@mirapilates send me an example that you think demonstrates it the most clearly?

Everyone loves Malc the dog. Star of the show!!

@@SpikeTSmith what kind of dog is that? That was a puppy right?

@@stevensklubby You best ask Tezz.. It’s his dog, not mine.

Very cool Dave. Glad to hear you are still playing & mashing it up!!

Yes, we know this..

But looking on HC bands, they might forgot about this fact. When Hardcore dropped the Punk it became stupid, boring macho shit (bit like Gangsta Rap).

@@hennoxxx That's a bit of a sweeping statement. That's not the case for all hardcore, but I can guess the kind of bands you mean. It certainly exists in some.

Hardcore is Punk subgenre. Step forward in Punk evolution. Do present Hardcore Punk sounds different than in 80's? Yes, and that is good. Do sounds Hardcore Punk different from Punk Rock? Yes and that is great. With no diversity and music evolution Punk would be dead.

@@mrnordyk1125 Well said.

Tezz can’t get a word in..Erm.. did you watch the whole video? Do you know how much of his chat I had to edit? The end is just me summarising, hence "his" final words “Well Said”

leave it out spike did a ruddy good job

Well.. it’s great a great subject to talk about.

@@SpikeTSmith yeah of course. i guess im just not too used to it yet haha, here in america. tho most european-american artists ive heard talking abt stuff like that r crust/punk artists, or like jazz

@@somenothing7914 I hear ya!!