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The Boldest Boss Challenge Yet... (Bloons TD 6) 

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The Boldest Boss Challenge Yet... BTD6 / Bloons TD 6. This is a challenge that sounds difficult on paper; can you beat the tier 1 boss using only 1st tier towers, tier 2 with only 2nd tier towers, and so on? We attempted that on the recent week versus Lych, and here's how that turned out...
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@BTDIsab
@BTDIsab 2 года назад
If not for the life drain feature, the elite version certainly could've been interesting... Check out the other boss videos here: ru-vid.com/group/PLcT6C3pFUi83hRPedDoZ46y1kZFdJDGPA
@DartyBoi
@DartyBoi 2 года назад
apple
@tylerjones69
@tylerjones69 2 года назад
Apple
@romosedrin9151
@romosedrin9151 2 года назад
Apple
@zer0_674
@zer0_674 2 года назад
Apple
@tedn11
@tedn11 2 года назад
Apple
@moomoomachines7193
@moomoomachines7193 2 года назад
I can't believe my challenge was even considered. Dang I'm so impressed that it's even real and grateful for the shoutout! Who knew 101 tacks were that good?
@Skyjengi
@Skyjengi 2 года назад
It was a great idea! Also made for a great video
@wessilinmendez3802
@wessilinmendez3802 2 года назад
Tack op
@Ruby-eq1qg
@Ruby-eq1qg 2 года назад
I remember seeing ur comment and thinking it was too crazy to try haha!
@carmalizedvegetation5096
@carmalizedvegetation5096 2 года назад
Early BtD battles 2 players
@PitOfDepression
@PitOfDepression 2 года назад
@@carmalizedvegetation5096 actually before the nerf 101 tack was not good, you need to have an 202 to defend early rounds
@Deadlocked.
@Deadlocked. 2 года назад
If you didn't know, Pat's knockback swipe is every 5th attack
@kiro253
@kiro253 2 года назад
He did said "knockback super slowdown bloon enough to allow pat to get enough hit for the knockback" so yeah...i think he knows
@billllllllllllllllllllllll7561
@billllllllllllllllllllllll7561 2 года назад
oh a gd player lol
@ThanosJr1209
@ThanosJr1209 2 года назад
Fun facts you might use once 😁
@strav8337
@strav8337 2 года назад
Thank you
@willthewindmill6024
@willthewindmill6024 2 года назад
Maybe a challenge where every tier you would use different classes of monkey. (Tier 1 support, Tier 2 primary…) Whatever order works best.
@duckr915
@duckr915 2 года назад
there is only 4 classes, the tier 5 would be impossible even if hero is a class, i dont think any of them could beat tier 1
@voltrya6844
@voltrya6844 2 года назад
Magic for t1, Military for t2, Primary for t3, then superboost the paragon champion for t4 or wait for the new engineer paragon
@voltrya6844
@voltrya6844 2 года назад
And farms need to be allowed
@Roverdrive_X
@Roverdrive_X 2 года назад
@@duckr915 Could just let one class be used twice, up to the player to choose which one.
@az1202
@az1202 2 года назад
@@a1ki11er spike and engineer
@brunoishida7250
@brunoishida7250 2 года назад
Beat Lych with only L towers/upgrades, or Bloonarius with only B towers/upgrades. Loving the content, stay healthy ma man
@alexanderlea7882
@alexanderlea7882 2 года назад
What does this mean?
@brunoishida7250
@brunoishida7250 2 года назад
@@alexanderlea7882 towers or upgrades that start with that letter, for example, bloontonium reactor from the sub upgrades, starts with B, boat starts with B as well
@anautilus2004
@anautilus2004 2 года назад
Isab: "My towers don't have camo" Also Isab: *buys Shimmer and doesn't upgrade the Dragon Breath wizards to Monkey Sense*
@FeyBoundActor
@FeyBoundActor 2 года назад
Pretty sure he does it to remove camo so all the other towers can attack, not just the d breath
@kiro253
@kiro253 2 года назад
I mean shimmer already remove camo...
@arttukettunen5757
@arttukettunen5757 2 года назад
"My tacks dont have camo for ddts" Ah yes, ddts...
@kittybitten2752
@kittybitten2752 2 года назад
@@arttukettunen5757 ddts have camo wdym
@notjoss
@notjoss 2 года назад
@@kittybitten2752 they need lead popping power as well.
@legitgopnik8431
@legitgopnik8431 2 года назад
I'd love to see a no-crosspathing challenge! Both the boss damage and the passive game in between
@sfisher923
@sfisher923 2 года назад
(One I tried on Lych Cubism) Ice + Tack + Village (Farms Support and Hero are allowed)
@tylerjones69
@tylerjones69 2 года назад
Maybe a series of “Can a max buffed X beat tier 5 Boss”
@Jzero00
@Jzero00 2 года назад
Have to be Bloonarius, Lych steals buffs
@SherriJones7000Orphans
@SherriJones7000Orphans 2 года назад
Isab doing the impossible again He’s by far one of the best Btd6 player
@itskelvinn
@itskelvinn 2 года назад
By far One of Make up your mind!!
@jayblueguy9932
@jayblueguy9932 2 года назад
Bengobop
@-FutureTaken-
@-FutureTaken- 2 года назад
Theres definitely better players, but also much worse players (like me)
@zhiqiangchen6235
@zhiqiangchen6235 2 года назад
@@-FutureTaken- yeah. Those tat have absolutely no life
@SherriJones7000Orphans
@SherriJones7000Orphans 2 года назад
@@itskelvinn I mean he’s not the best but he’s up there
@alexanderl7059
@alexanderl7059 2 года назад
2:01 that fade to a screen full of farms made me chuckle 😂
@72neB
@72neB 2 года назад
You should try 1v3 where 3 people try to beat lych while one person works with lych by healing it would be interesting
@coleman4178
@coleman4178 2 года назад
good idea, but it is very hard since the heal trigger very easily by buying and selling buffed ability
@BrazilianPegging
@BrazilianPegging 2 года назад
Yeah it would have to be normal mode
@totallynotditto1573
@totallynotditto1573 2 года назад
Buy and resell homeland
@silvermagpie1071
@silvermagpie1071 2 года назад
Yeah, the other players could only really win by blocking every free space, or else it's just dart monkey sell spam
@iceicicle3046
@iceicicle3046 2 года назад
@@silvermagpie1071 super monkey is better because it goes based off cost
@randomness1456
@randomness1456 2 года назад
I've already seen this, it occurred to me when you were asking why the ddts were so hard to kill, then realising you didn't have enough camo detection and that you want to get a shimmer for camo detection. Deja-vu is wacky
@zacimpaired9797
@zacimpaired9797 2 года назад
Challenge: Beat the next boss with no more than one of each tower
@fallenking_animations
@fallenking_animations 2 года назад
Except for farm (litterally impossible otherwise, even with external money scources)
@tumstuguldur8846
@tumstuguldur8846 2 года назад
for isab(challange):do chimps without crosspathing.
@BrazilianPegging
@BrazilianPegging 2 года назад
Archmage and bloon solver are what he used when he did that
@kkristalist6024
@kkristalist6024 2 года назад
Challenge suggestion: try and beat Lych or bloonairus with only one type of towers per tier. For Example T1: Dart monkeys only T2: ninjas only T3: boomerangs only T4: snipers only T5: supers only
@Ridjfhufudedx
@Ridjfhufudedx 2 года назад
only t4 is hard t1 supermonky fan club t2 master bomber t3 bommer pragon t5 must i explain
@dont9030
@dont9030 2 года назад
@@Ridjfhufudedx yes explain t5
@whoami2646
@whoami2646 2 года назад
Cool idea
@az1202
@az1202 2 года назад
There’s um, no farms.
@tylerjones69
@tylerjones69 2 года назад
Maybe for another challenge, try using only Support Towers to pop the boss?
@tommyspringer3693
@tommyspringer3693 2 года назад
Might be good for when engi paragon drops, otherwise I doubt tier 5 would be possible.
@tylerjones69
@tylerjones69 2 года назад
@@tommyspringer3693 deadly spike/perma spike spam would prob be the strat
@bloonyapprentice4340
@bloonyapprentice4340 2 года назад
Super Mines :omegalul:
@FleDark10
@FleDark10 2 года назад
I guess Sprockets spam would be ok for tiers 1 and 2
@Mike-mm8gg
@Mike-mm8gg 2 года назад
I did regular bloonarius with only support, super laggy, kinda fun
@Slayer_OfLight
@Slayer_OfLight 2 года назад
Challenge idea: Without selling, beat a boss while only being able to upgrade towers the moment you buy them. No going back and upgrading already existing ones
@alcatraz2981
@alcatraz2981 2 года назад
That’s interesting… it’s like cards battle in btd battles
@John21Cool
@John21Cool 2 года назад
You know this is going to be a interesting video cuz ISAB didnt get Sauda
@UltraNoahNinja
@UltraNoahNinja 2 года назад
t r a n s p a r e n t s h r e k
@projektvideo6451
@projektvideo6451 2 года назад
Challenge but not sure if it's possible. Beat Elite mode without using more than 1 Paragon and 2 Tier 5s Edit: You can use Tier 4s and lower but also limted to 5 Farms
@MarvinA2
@MarvinA2 2 года назад
5 farms probably couldn't afford a paragon, unless you get monkeyopolis and a monkeynomics then maybe
@projektvideo6451
@projektvideo6451 2 года назад
@@MarvinA2 that's exactly why I thought of 5 farms
@somehalonerd1176
@somehalonerd1176 2 года назад
Do regular lych with no farming (no merchantmen, farms, rubber to gold, trap) You could call it chimps lych I know this is possible bcuz people have done it with bloonarius
@Skyjengi
@Skyjengi 2 года назад
I believe he has done that before. Check vids about 4+ months back
@somehalonerd1176
@somehalonerd1176 2 года назад
@@Skyjengi it was with merchantmen
@tpeter4240
@tpeter4240 2 года назад
What about only super-buffed tier 1 for a boss? I’m talking only tier 1s except village, alch, engie, and maybe sun god.I think it would be possible with only tier 1s, but you could always bump it up to tier 2 or more if it isn’t.
@kirbykraftgames
@kirbykraftgames 2 года назад
Alch and Engie buffs wouldn't really work for Lych due to healing
@xrefed
@xrefed 2 года назад
Sun god wou ld steal too many pops for tier ones
@princeofrain1428
@princeofrain1428 2 года назад
It would have to be vs. Bloonarius (or Vortex once it releases)
@PoisonIvory088
@PoisonIvory088 2 года назад
Do you remember doctors evil in btd battles 1, good times
@landonsur8059
@landonsur8059 2 года назад
he stopped playing long before professor evil
@r.vgaming6651
@r.vgaming6651 2 года назад
maybe only specific category towers for example only magic or only support
@RonZhang
@RonZhang 2 года назад
So… T1 towers to beat T1 Lych? T2 towers to beat T2 Lych? And up to T5 to T5 Lych? Exciting to watch on stream, excited to re-watch on RU-vid.
@mastercheimf9436
@mastercheimf9436 2 года назад
You can only have 1 of each path for each tower. (no going bottom path twice for a tower)
@pickandshot
@pickandshot 2 года назад
Boss events, BTDB2 style (3 tower types, 1 hero)
@BrazilianPegging
@BrazilianPegging 2 года назад
Nah maybe more than one hero.
@casualwoomy
@casualwoomy 2 года назад
me: struggling to beat tier 1 ISAB: tack shooter lol
@TurtleExplosive
@TurtleExplosive 2 года назад
Middle path bomb works pretty good when sticky bomb ninja isn't allowed
@buglium
@buglium 2 года назад
Nothing like a Isab vid at 12 on a Friday
@christithrower787
@christithrower787 2 года назад
Maybe, do this AGAIN, but try using each tier only AFTER each lych. You started setting up tier 3 farms etc right after tier 2 was popped, but what about only being able to do that after tier 3 is popped? For example, first lych would be tier 0,once that’s popped tier 1, once it’s tier 2 is popped you get tier 2 unlocked, etc. in general this would mean no tier 5s and much less money lol. I think it’s impossible but you’ve eaten the impossible for breakfast so idk🤷‍♀️
@thomasgrant7538
@thomasgrant7538 2 года назад
I think Dartling gunner could have been good early game
@baranorak4080
@baranorak4080 2 года назад
Reminds me of Monkey City early game boss strats...
@TheDiamondMc88
@TheDiamondMc88 2 года назад
Can you beat lych with just support towers 🤔
@JZipher
@JZipher 2 года назад
I have a challenge for you ISAB… beat lych (Elite or not) without any towers that have +moab damage It would be interesting to see which towers you would pick
@jabemtd
@jabemtd 2 года назад
I will say I'm shocked by how well buying t1 farms seems to snowball comparably to T2s....
@khairulhafiz2002
@khairulhafiz2002 2 года назад
Monkey Knowledge Idea: Eye Drops (Magic Knowledge) Alchemist created a special mixture mixed in Berserker Brew to allow nearby buffed monkeys or towers to detect and deal extra damage to Camo Bloons temporarily. Permanent Brew will apply the Eye Drops effect permanently.
@zer0_674
@zer0_674 2 года назад
maybe you have to go for 302 instead of 301 or 320 to add reason to go for acid pool
@Yusuf-ke5iu
@Yusuf-ke5iu 2 года назад
Op
@khairulhafiz2002
@khairulhafiz2002 2 года назад
@@zer0_674 But, this Monkey Knowledge is for Berserker Brew only. So, going for 3-2-0 or 3-0-1 might do it.
@bloonyapprentice4340
@bloonyapprentice4340 2 года назад
Does this apply to DDTs? If so this MK is kinda strong.
@khairulhafiz2002
@khairulhafiz2002 2 года назад
@@bloonyapprentice4340 Yes, it does.
@tanish_yadav_arts
@tanish_yadav_arts 2 года назад
I have harder challenge use tier 0 towers you can use tier 5 towers for buff like homeland defense, ultra boost, perma brue or energy totem. But Elite Boss. If not possible so you can go teir 5 bloonarius.
@TRub1c
@TRub1c 2 года назад
I got a idea: Do elite lych but you can only use 1 path a a time like 5 0 0 ninja or 0 0 4 super monkey. But no 1 1 0 dart monkeys...
@Timieboy29
@Timieboy29 2 года назад
Challenge, only have 3 towers on the map in boss fight (you can sell) suc6 ( ;
@triciamichalk4476
@triciamichalk4476 2 года назад
The 2-0-3 is worse than a 0-2-3 farm. In one round, the 2-0-3 produces 400 dollars, while the other crosspath makes 416 a round. The banana plantation produces the same amount as a 2-0-3 farm.
@az1202
@az1202 2 года назад
But 2-0-0 is better until you get marketplace
@jr_kulik
@jr_kulik 2 года назад
Now try and do the same with Bloonarius ! I’m sure it is possible.
@benjikrafter
@benjikrafter 2 года назад
Play bloonarius, but all of your upgrades have to be in only one path. For example, if you get any tower and buy 1 0 0, you can only buy the first upgrade path for all towers, unless you sell every tower. You can only ever have one upgrade path for every tower.
@benjikrafter
@benjikrafter 2 года назад
Additional clarification: You can sell all towers and then use a different upgrade path. No limit on what tier of that upgrade path for each tower. Could have a 0 2 0, a 0 1 0, and 0 5 0 of any towers.
@SockyWockyOsu
@SockyWockyOsu 2 года назад
Challenge idea: the battles challenge you can only use 3 set towers and your hero
@Teenage-GymRat
@Teenage-GymRat 2 года назад
Use only your 3 towers with the least xp in chimp or boss bloon maybe?
@YOGAMALLAMA
@YOGAMALLAMA 2 года назад
4:20 | The spikes literally said "Ight, Imma head out" 😂
@lukefarrar5498
@lukefarrar5498 2 года назад
You could do boss with the circle in co-op
@realgoose4246
@realgoose4246 2 года назад
Boss, but every tower must be at least 2 tack shooters apart from each other
@stingraygaminglive9692
@stingraygaminglive9692 2 года назад
You should try the boss event using only Insta Monkeys!
@GameCenterUTube
@GameCenterUTube 2 года назад
very unique challenge! thoroughly enjoyed solid vid isab!!
@John21Cool
@John21Cool 2 года назад
you know isab is not doing good cuz he didnt use sauda
@lightsama2463
@lightsama2463 2 года назад
IDK if this is interesting or not, but how about beating a boss only using insta monkeys, but you have to sell all your current instas on the map after you beat a tier and then set up new ones for the next tier. you get to chose lych or bloonarius depending on your instas
@end4567
@end4567 2 года назад
He could just place tier 5s for each tier and easily win.
@lightsama2463
@lightsama2463 2 года назад
@@end4567 well that depends on how much T5s instas he has, and thats wht I added the sell rule after every tier to hopefully make it interesting
@arcanace_
@arcanace_ 2 года назад
I never thought about stalling the round to make Lych easier.
@thijmentoning1734
@thijmentoning1734 2 года назад
try boss balloon whitout selling anything
@demon_stalker6247
@demon_stalker6247 2 года назад
I receive 1 t5 tower You receive 50 t1 towers
@SnackGuy2Star
@SnackGuy2Star 2 года назад
11:24 Heyyy my Birthday is 5/19!
@joshuar9360
@joshuar9360 2 года назад
The man has taste with his sniper name
@kaykyhardy6205
@kaykyhardy6205 2 года назад
*CHALLENGE* Each tier a monkey class (primary, military, magic support) Tier 1 : All class Tier 2 : Primary class only Tier 3 : Military class only Tier 4 : Magic class only Tier 5 : Support class only You can change the order like all class only in the tier 5, and for me farms and village you can you in all tiers.
@aison5641
@aison5641 2 года назад
Try beating one of the bosses with chimps mode rules
@krazyman791
@krazyman791 2 года назад
Everyone's been suggesting for you to beat Lych BTDB2 style: 3 towers and a hero. How about I give you a challenge kind of like that? That's right. A Battles 1-themed challenge. No hero. Choose three towers, and a random fourth tower. No alchemist. No druid. No T5s. Good luck.
@rileylmao1218
@rileylmao1218 2 года назад
What a great idea from that commenter. You should also try it out for bloonairius
@MarvinA2
@MarvinA2 2 года назад
how would you beat the cerams with t1s
@rileylmao1218
@rileylmao1218 2 года назад
@@MarvinA2 No idea but gl
@seblara839
@seblara839 2 года назад
I dare you to tank the 5 star lych by farming lives (I still don´t have the game, so don't know if is even posible) love the videos, please keep them up. Hi from Mexico!
@A_VeryFancyPigeon
@A_VeryFancyPigeon 2 года назад
Hey I saw this challenge and attempted it many times. Its pretty cool (and btw, its not MY challenge) and challenging too. The code is ZMUKHYE
@Timmothy_plays
@Timmothy_plays 2 года назад
I have trouble beating bosses and this guy challenges himself to beat them in unconventional ways,... BECAUSE HE *CAN* .
@gigbit1
@gigbit1 2 года назад
you should 1v1 rubby
@omgitsjesus99
@omgitsjesus99 2 года назад
Very cool challenge! I have probably a very dumb and boring challenge, but whats the longest rank time you can get on a boss event!? Like go for absolute last place??
@danieldeolivera6167
@danieldeolivera6167 2 года назад
choose one type of tower to defeat lych for every tier, example: tack shooters for t1, boomers for t2, ninjas for t3, ace for t4 supers for t5 (farms are allowed)
@thefourleafclover5316
@thefourleafclover5316 2 года назад
Use only support monkeys(5××sniper,5××ice,etc) in chimps mode. Possible...Maybe....
@jordanusvansaksen9976
@jordanusvansaksen9976 2 года назад
Oh i thought you were allowed to ONLY use tier 4 towers for tier 4 and tier 5 towers for tier 5, so no tier 4 farms, no tier 4 tack for tier 5 lych, because the way you did it basically means that there are no restrictions for tier 5 lych
@nicopootato2330
@nicopootato2330 2 года назад
How about this challenge but in reverse? You can only build up to tier 5 towers before tier 1 boss dies, only build up to tier 4 towers before tier 4 boss dies etc... You don't have to sell any existing towers, but just cannot build new high tier ones after the appropriate tier boss had died.
@lumitsukii
@lumitsukii 2 года назад
Awesome
@Babymercy8
@Babymercy8 2 года назад
CHIMPS type boss up next?? Don't leak a life, no selling, yes farming, no knowledge...
@Legorunner
@Legorunner 2 года назад
Don't ise monkeys to beat the boss aka use machines: Tack, bomb, farm, spike factory and village
@JustJeevan
@JustJeevan 2 года назад
i recommended this a while back on your discord but a maybe 2million pops on isab monkey since it got the crit buff, but its most likely been done by now
@sevadra
@sevadra 2 года назад
Yo that was me in the top 7 when he checked the leaderboard poggers (that also means this was day 1 and this is a very late upload >:( /s)
@assassincheese2307
@assassincheese2307 2 года назад
maybe just this challenge with 1 less tier every time? So tier one with unupgraded towers, tier 2 with tier 1 towers etc.
@keanujones4505
@keanujones4505 2 года назад
It is the boldest game ever but you did beat it though with the most powerful strat ever! Also the boss bloon is ferocious.
@willsuignard9954
@willsuignard9954 2 года назад
U gave me a stroke
@keanujones4505
@keanujones4505 2 года назад
@@willsuignard9954 Bruh
@derallerechtejojo
@derallerechtejojo 2 года назад
I have got also a suggestion to you: try to beat non ranked boss mode with only INSTAS. Good luck
@fedoraguy6774
@fedoraguy6774 2 года назад
If you have the MK point more valuable bananas, 023 farms are more efficient than 203 farms
@taahamirza9817
@taahamirza9817 2 года назад
Challenge:boss with only one tower type(like primary only or military or support...)
@hellofend4734
@hellofend4734 2 года назад
am I the only one who thinks its a little dumb not letting us use ben/suada on bosses? I just wish they would keep restrictions to ranked mode
@windbringer9890
@windbringer9890 2 года назад
this is the only stream were i got muted for any time because back seating was turned off out of nowere my perfect track record was gone do to a mistake:(
@Sanji66
@Sanji66 2 года назад
try to defeat a boss without monkey you can only use tac shooter, spike factory, banana farm and village
@awesomestgamer7217
@awesomestgamer7217 2 года назад
Isab heres a video idea: can you beat round 100 with only monkeys from the title screen?
@sadlytrue7464
@sadlytrue7464 2 года назад
Bloonarious Military only? (No Farms, Only merchant men (T3-5))
@nicholasgehringer5193
@nicholasgehringer5193 2 года назад
Parogon damage only with paragon mods would be fun to watch you could also do money making mods so you can make the money
@maximili44n
@maximili44n 2 года назад
How about elite lych, but you can only place towers inside (the tracks) on the map?
@lowrands2482
@lowrands2482 2 года назад
Can't they make the farmer a tower but make him still cost monkey money. Just so we can use him in ranked mode
@anthonyvasco6356
@anthonyvasco6356 2 года назад
This got me thinking of a rouge-like btd6, where you get to choose from free upgrades every so often. Sounds kinda cool
@aggressivefox454
@aggressivefox454 2 года назад
This challenge except each tier is -1. So only tier 0 towers on tier 1 boss, tier 1 on tier 2 boss etc
@EhtesamUddinPrince
@EhtesamUddinPrince 2 года назад
Bro I can barely solo lych with all t5s. Now ONLY T1s? WHA-
@russellkirk681
@russellkirk681 2 года назад
Isab please do the money strategy in bloons TD battles you need to use a banana farm and bottom path village
@gabrielmourao2854
@gabrielmourao2854 2 года назад
Beat bloonarius without farms and powers (other sources of money allowed)
@lool8421
@lool8421 2 года назад
a random idea: randomly pick 5 towers to work with you can't place more than 5 of each
@NiniDee73
@NiniDee73 2 года назад
Don't wanna be that guy, but tier 5 had a lot of tier 4s on field, would be interesting to see the t5s only
@brodyismael1545
@brodyismael1545 2 года назад
Girst
@stickey3476
@stickey3476 2 года назад
Do super only (1 cash drops for early game) I'm curious if it works
@PrscheGT3
@PrscheGT3 2 года назад
Could you do a challenge where you do one class of monkey per elite lyche tier and for t5 you can use all
@sadwaffle3329
@sadwaffle3329 2 года назад
hello
@FishSticker
@FishSticker 2 года назад
Eh, kinda lame, I’ll be impressed once you do teir zero’s only smh my head
@itsasecret1523
@itsasecret1523 2 года назад
You always greet boys, what about the girls?~ Nice videos :3
@crep50
@crep50 2 года назад
Now beat an entire boss event with only t1s (note: Ben will be pretty necessary for lives)
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