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The Bomber That Was Doomed By Imposible Requirements | De Havilland DH.72 

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@RexsHangar
@RexsHangar Год назад
F.A.Q Section Q: Do you take aircraft requests? A: I have a list of aircraft I plan to cover, but feel free to add to it with suggestions:) Q: Why do you use imperial measurements for some videos, and metric for others? A: I do this based on country of manufacture. Imperial measurements for Britain and the U.S, metric for the rest of the world, but I include text in my videos that convert it for both. Q: Will you include video footage in your videos, or just photos? A: Video footage is very expensive to licence, if I can find footage in the public domain I will try to use it, but a lot of it is hoarded by licencing studies (British Pathe, Periscope films etc). In the future I may be able to afford clips :) Q: Why do you sometimes feature images/screenshots from flight simulators? A: Sometimes there are not a lot of photos available for certain aircraft, so I substitute this with digital images that are as accurate as possible.
@k.f.m6901
@k.f.m6901 Год назад
Hey rex here's a suggestion to put on the list: the Westland Wyvern turboprop carrier based fighter, maybe one of the most beautiful planes to grace his majesty's aircraft carrier decks
@migueldelacruz4799
@migueldelacruz4799 Год назад
Much love for this video. I had no idea this plane even existed. The unloved and unremembered Douglas dc-5 would be nice.
@migueldelacruz4799
@migueldelacruz4799 Год назад
​@@k.f.m6901oh that is a good one.
@SunnyIlha
@SunnyIlha Год назад
Skua.
@j.griffin
@j.griffin Год назад
It would be nice to hear a story of Paul Mantz and and the last plane he ever crashed… the original Phoenix from the original Flight of the Phoenix movie. That always fascinated me how they actually built that plane and flew it… Sad story but interesting.
@BHuang92
@BHuang92 Год назад
The designer is assured that placing a propeller right behind the cockpit *does not increase the chance of the bailing pilot turning into confetti....*
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Год назад
When the cliche _"Throwing someone in the blades"_ becomes a DESIGN PHILOSOPHY...🤭
@HeX64
@HeX64 Год назад
At least no one will yell at you back at base for bailing out and loosing a plane. 😅
@mastathrash5609
@mastathrash5609 Год назад
​@HeX64 let's just say that the propeller placement it's just a friendly encouragement Not to bail out😅
@HeX64
@HeX64 Год назад
@@mastathrash5609 Bring back the plane and get confetti at a parade or bail out and be confetti at a parade. Decisions, decisions! 😏
@kyle857
@kyle857 Год назад
Hey. It's perfectly safe... for the designer.
@alanmoss3603
@alanmoss3603 Год назад
This is the Rex's Hanger/Lovecraft cross-over I've been waiting for! Please do a video on the De Havilland DH 666 Cthulhu!
@jameslawrie3807
@jameslawrie3807 Год назад
Those Byakhee radials are so hard to summon/tune correctly
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 Год назад
0:52 I'm always amazed by the size of Cabroni's designs. And the one shown here is actually a practical size.
@williamscoggin1509
@williamscoggin1509 Год назад
That last photo showed that that was one big aircraft! 😮
@philip1522
@philip1522 Год назад
Let's face it - mistakes were made. As a devoted aircraft enthusiast I always think shame not one was preserved when it is revealed that all remaining examples were scrapped but in this case my eyes were so offended I could not bring myself to shed even one tear. Considering what DeHavaland would produce in just a few more years I can't imagine how this one got off the drawing board. Hopefully it at least provided some experience and lessons for the company's later successes.
@jlvfr
@jlvfr Год назад
Must have been fun, flying with that windmill almost above your head...
@speedandstyletony
@speedandstyletony Год назад
"Lovecraftian sacrifice"!🤪
@wisp666
@wisp666 Год назад
The fact that everyone with experience of building large aircraft pulled out should perhaps have given de Havilland pause?
@gerardlabelle9626
@gerardlabelle9626 Год назад
Perhaps he preferred to view it as a chance to boldly leapfrog those complacent front runners, and seize the lead!
@johnbiddle1829
@johnbiddle1829 Год назад
@@gerardlabelle9626 May also have been an opportunity to keep your designers employed and learning new things while being funded by the Air Ministry?
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749
They should have put the engine in the nose, and put the gunner in the pod.
@imablock16
@imablock16 Год назад
i want more of these kinds of bombers in war thunder....massive multi engined beasts with a massive loadout of small bombs so you can do carpet bombing at low br.
@joeshmoe9978
@joeshmoe9978 Год назад
You won't be seeing a model kit of this one anytime soon. 😉
@tango6nf477
@tango6nf477 Год назад
Amazing that just over 10 years later De Havilland produced the brilliant Mosquito, and the first jet engines were being developed. Just shows how far and fast aircraft development took place in the two decades after the first world war.
@WarblesOnALot
@WarblesOnALot Год назад
@MrLBPug G'day, How many Sperm Whales to the box of Condoms, then ? The DH-72 was a 3-engined Biplane weighing 9 Tons and carrying half a ton to a ton of dropable payload, with a crew of 4..., and over 1,600 Horsies of Twistiness going into the Airscrews, 534 odd into each one of the Three. The DH -88 was a Bad-tempered, bad- mannered, badly- behaved, fragile, skittish, little, 2-seat ONE Trick Pony...; it could cruise quite fast, for it's day. The '88 was noisy and fatigueing and very tiring to fly, badly ventilated, with an unheated, and uncooled Cockpit...; and it's pointy little Eliptical Wingtips with NO Washout made it an absolute bloody DEATHTRAP any time a Bee's-Dick too much Airspeed bled off while in the Circuit. Perfectly designed To Tip-STALL..., & SPIN, And then Crash&Burn&DIE...! The '88 did not have 4 Crew Stations, it had no defensive Gun-positions, and it could not carry anything at all beyond a pair of dazed and dehydrated cramped Pommy Attention-Seekers, and a spare Toothbrush for one of them.... You assert, in an absence of evidence, that the DH-72 was "...basically a flying Barn", Also babbling bullshit about the DH-88 being allegedly oh so much more, "Aerodynamically refined..." I suggest that you look up the meanings of "Aerodynamic" & Streamlined" & "Aerofoil"...; And, then, go and peruse the plans of 36 different ACTUAL BARNS... Do let us know how many of those BARNS feature sufficient of a Fineness Ratio as to be called "Streamlined" (?) in the way that the DH-72's Fuselage is Streamlined, as are ALL of it's Interplane Struts, ALL it's Flying and Landing Wires, ALL it's Centre-Section Cabanes, and it's Undercarriage Struts...; it even had Fabric-Disc Faired Spokes on it's Wheels.... The fact that the DH-72 was designed to take off at 20,000 pounds weight, and was then meant to fly at 100 mph-ish, does not make it at all whatsoever, in ANY way, "Aerodynamically unrefined", nor "lacking in advancement...". But it was not designed as a temperamental high-speed Cabin monoplane with a retractable Undercarriage and (primitive) pneumatically-operated Automatic 2-position Adjustable Pitch Airscrews (which were absolutely deadly dangerous SHITS of things...; whereinat a Spring held the Hubs in Coarse Pitch, for Cruise - with a DELIBERATELY Leaky Reservoir of Compressed-Air pushing a Piston against the Springs to force the Hub to place the Blades into Fine Pitch for Take-off... And 5 or 10 minutes after hand-pumping the Propellers into Fine Pitch, assuming both Engines started promptly and assuming the overloaded Fuelbomb got off the Ground without delay - then the Air leaked out, the Springs pulled the Hubs into Coarse Pitch - the two Propellers, each in it's own sweet unco-ordinatrd time...; and then they STAYED that way until after landing, when the Reservoirs were duly pumped up again for the next Take-off... So, both Propellers were stuck in Coarse Pitch for the rest of the Flight - and if one buggared up the Approach when trying to land, then there was no way to return the Propellers to Fine Pitch for a Touch & Go-Around, and so the Dog-Turd of a Racing Aeroplane could barely manage to accelerate sufficiently as to stagger off the Ground, and then attempt to accelerate sufficiently as to be able to climb up over the Boundary fence and try again - with those stupid bloody (low-drag "Go-Fast !") Eliptical Wingtips literally quivering on the point of a Stall-Spin..., all the way up and around the Circuit for a second attempt..., to TRY to alight safely, in a twin-engined Taildragger with NO Forward View at all, when in the Landing Configuration.). Your idea of "Aerodynamic Advancement & Refinement" strikes me as being the sort of thing which, if a Dog bit into - then he'd hurt his neck in the effort of immediately trying to rapidly lick his Arsehole, to get the taste of the Comet out of his mouth...(!). Both Aeroplanes were equally refined, and advanced, aerodynamically ; but they were designed to do totally different things, at totally different Speeds, and whereas the DH-72 employed tried, tested, and proven technology and Engineering, which was all sufficiently robust and foolproof that the British Suburban middle-class Peasantry could be taught to operate it, more or less safely, in regular daily "Service" use....; The DH-88 was an attempt to pour about a gallon and a half of Aerodynamic GoFAST Clever-Buggary, and Wouldn't It Be Nice If Fantasies..., into a tiny little Pint-Pot worth of ENGINEERING Capability to try to comply with the Draughtsman's Wish-List, and somehow manage to contrive for it all to function for long enough to win the Race..., about half the time - always assuming that some suicidal Superman can be found who's capable of flying, and landing, the mad bastard of a thing - and is then willing to attempt to repeat that amazing feat, on any sort of a regular basis. Jim Mollison couldn't make a go of the Comet, for example ; and only the VERY best and most highly qualified of Aeroplanologists in all of England are ever permitted to try to take Grosvenor House up a d over the Fence at Old Warden- and it has (secretly) had it's Undercarriage's retraction problems and Brakes fixed, and it hasn't got the origidiginal Deathtrap Pneumo-leaking Automatic 2-Position Irreversible Propellers..., either. People like you would better behoove yourselves if you could wrap your head around the point that Nothing which flies..., if it has Wings - Can ever be described as being "Not Aerodynamic". And the Engineering, required to meet the Aerodynamicist's Drawing of the Shape which they would LIKE to see the Skin of the built Machine conform unto ; is the Critical bit. And the Load, to be carried And the Speed it has to go at Determine how Slippery-looking that Engineering is able to be built. And, comparing the "Aerodynamic Refinement " of a Fixed-Undercarriage Open-Cockpit Trimotored 4-seat Biplane Heavy Bomber..., with that of the Experimental Aero-Engineering of a Twin-Engined retractable long-range 2-seat Racing Cabin Monoplane..., as if there was some kind of Equivalency upon which to make any valid comparison - is as silly as worrying about the Conversion Rate between Whales and Condoms. The DH-72 would have been bloody useless, at Trying to Race a KLM Douglas DC-2 Airliner full of Fare-paying passengers, To Melbourne From London... And a Comet couldn't Loft 4 fully-kitted Pommies And half a ton of Bombs halfway across Europe, and then come back - all while furiously machine-gunning any pesky Foreign Fighters attempting to intervene. (And that was the original "Vision of the Mission"; Which the RAF wanted to prepare to enact.) Let's keep it a bit real, hmmmmnn ; Apples vs Apples, & Oranges vs Oranges (?) ! Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@Sssaaatttuuurrrnnn
@Sssaaatttuuurrrnnn Год назад
Flying barn is right. I suppose hindsight is 20/20 given how quickly things would change over the following interwar years, but even for 1931 this design looks remarkably outdated. If you told me it was circa World War One I would have taken it completely at face value.
@jwenting
@jwenting Год назад
@@Sssaaatttuuurrrnnn The Air Ministry in the interwar years (up until the mid 1930s) was extremely conservative and any real innovation, let alone revolutionary ideas, was not just actively discouraged but often completely banned. The USAAF at the time was pretty much the same, as were the Dutch and French to a large degree. Germany and to a degree Italy were the exceptions in this, actively seeking innovation.
@sergeipohkerova7211
@sergeipohkerova7211 Год назад
Imagine serving in the RAF in the early 1930s and having to downplay it to your mom that your crew position is in a freezing open cockpit in front of a ten foot spinning propeller 😂
@anzaca1
@anzaca1 Год назад
Bear in mind, the Hurricane would fly just 5 years after this plane.
@johnstirling6597
@johnstirling6597 Год назад
For reference, just 15 years after this was built the Air Ministry was issuing specifications for the V Bombers!
@emjackson2289
@emjackson2289 Год назад
Not just that, the Americans issuing same for the B36 and the B52 . . . . and the B52 is closer to 100 than new these days (well almost the B52 Stratofortress II these days).
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Год назад
And the Piper Cub that was designed two years later is still in production… (just not with the same company).
@emjackson2289
@emjackson2289 Год назад
@@allangibson8494 Id love to know since Sept. 1945 what the most produced post war plane is that is currently now still flying actively but with the biggest swing in numbers from? Id guess one of MiG15UTI MIDGET, MiG21 FISHBED (and Im being picky by not incl. J7s here), possibly A4 Skyhawk, possibly F4 Phantom II.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Год назад
@@emjackson2289 Piper Cub then An-2 - both are actually military aircraft. 20,000 of the original cubs were built and then the Super Cub that shared a lot of parts with it took over and 10,000 of those were built. Military deliveries continued for Cubs into the 1970’s and it is still in production. 18,000 An-2’s were built.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 2 месяца назад
@@emjackson2289The B-36 dated back to 1941.
@lafeelabriel
@lafeelabriel Год назад
Yet a another example of "if it looks wrong it probably is", because jeez Louise, this poor bird could hardly look more wrong if it tried.
@50043211
@50043211 Год назад
I always love the planes with a engine right behind the pilot. Nothing better to increase motivation and performance!
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 Год назад
Definitely disincentivizes bailing out.
@king_br0k
@king_br0k Год назад
I wonder if a twin boom layout with a central pusher and 2 wing tractor props would have worked
@GaldirEonai
@GaldirEonai Год назад
Looking at the video title... "Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
@Seraphus87
@Seraphus87 Год назад
Did nobody try putting the forward gunner on the upper wing? (switch positions of 3rd engine and gunner)
@ricardokowalski1579
@ricardokowalski1579 Год назад
Let's design a heavy bomber, the mission is to transport three heavy engines to and from the target area
@Wolfe_Blue
@Wolfe_Blue Год назад
Seems like it happened too much
@anzaca1
@anzaca1 Год назад
To be fair, back then, it was often only possible to learn if a specification wasn't possible.
@JohnnyRocker2162
@JohnnyRocker2162 Год назад
Dick Dastardly nearly caught the pidgeon in this airplane !!!!!
@anlydaly5726
@anlydaly5726 Год назад
Mom can we have the Mosquito? No we have a Mosquito at home. The Mosquito at home
@C-Henry
@C-Henry Год назад
Just a thought, but if the most experienced manufacturers of large aircraft look at a design requirement written very clearly with them in mind, and say "no thanks". The problem might lie in the design requirements.
@emjackson2289
@emjackson2289 Год назад
03:38 - Gentlemen of the Air Ministry ! I give you The Flying Death-Trap. . . . . [1940, the Air Ministry: Remember that mad chap that delivered us the silly design he called The Flying Death-Trap & we laughed him out of the Air Ministry? Well seems old bean that we bought plenty of them [looks whistfully at pictures Blackburn Roc, Fairey Battle, BP Defiant. . . . . ]
@TheDkeeler
@TheDkeeler Год назад
Servicing that middle upper engine looks like fun. How about the Westland Wyvern ? It is a suitability ugly and troublesome death trap. Thanks Rex.
@jwenting
@jwenting Год назад
DC-10 and MD-11 maintenance engineers had a LOT of fun swapping engines too...
@sleeplessindefatigable6385
@sleeplessindefatigable6385 Год назад
Okay, hear me out, probably a dumb idea, but why did none of the companies asked mount the central engine in a push configuration? It seems like a pod/twin boom design would have been the obvious solution, with the bombs all mounted on the wings, or in line on the fuselage?
@LukeBunyip
@LukeBunyip Год назад
Jesus may love you, but the eldritch gods of physics think you taste like chicken travelling at 9.8ms2 Basically fhtagn, then Thump!
@drstevenrey
@drstevenrey 4 месяца назад
I know and have flown a whole lot of common De Havilland aircraft, but I never ever realized that they once built something this massive. I am amazed.
@167curly
@167curly 5 месяцев назад
These late 20s/early 30s "heavy" bombers were strange contraptions!
@jaws848
@jaws848 Год назад
Sounds like a Laurel and Hardy movie.lol.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@tomhaskett5161
@tomhaskett5161 Год назад
The Flying Deuces!
@jaws848
@jaws848 Год назад
@@tomhaskett5161 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
@kittyhawk9707
@kittyhawk9707 Год назад
jeez .. all that hassle for 1 extra engine... how about the some thing similar to the Farman F222 with pull/pusher engine in 1 nacelle on each wing ... or just add an extra engine onto each wing ..
@Vespuchian
@Vespuchian Год назад
Yet another 'the Air Ministry doesn't know what they want, but they will be _damned_ if they don't get _exactly_ what they ask for!' aircraft.
@drstevenrey
@drstevenrey 10 месяцев назад
Why does a country employ such ministries and committees and what not, that do nothing all day than issue impossible requirements for things they do absolutely not understand in the least. Useless civil servant that would never ever get any job any where in the land.
@fenman1954
@fenman1954 Год назад
Thanks for bringing these fascinating aircraft to our attention.
@fredorman2429
@fredorman2429 Год назад
This era produced the most surpassingly ugly aircraft.
@Baron-Ortega
@Baron-Ortega Год назад
So basically it's major downfall was it was absolutely rubbish lol 😂
@chpet1655
@chpet1655 Год назад
10 minutes ! Just the way I like my videos.
@basilreid257
@basilreid257 Год назад
What a headache for designers still it shows what they can do.
@jayyydizzzle
@jayyydizzzle Год назад
That's weird not hearing heaven and hell at the end
@jasonz7788
@jasonz7788 Год назад
Cool air craft thank you Rex
@johnp8131
@johnp8131 Год назад
Didn't know about this one, even from my father who told me about most of the DeHavilland and Hawker Siddley aircraft he was involved with over the next fifty years? He began his apprenticeship as a fitter, at Stag Lane on his fourteenth birthday, in February of 1931 so he must have seen it. Even if his first few months of training, mainly involved pushing a broom around hangars and workshops?
@alexandremarcelino7360
@alexandremarcelino7360 Год назад
Vídeo Excelente!
@kevanhubbard9673
@kevanhubbard9673 Год назад
A flying guillotine?
@stuartgmk
@stuartgmk Год назад
👍........🇦🇺
@andrewfarrow4699
@andrewfarrow4699 Год назад
First flight in 1931... I think most of us would have guessed 1921.
@irishpsalteri
@irishpsalteri Год назад
Ha! Thanks for the Lovecraft mention, brightened my morning. I very much enjoy this channel.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Год назад
At 07:10 & 08:33 in this video: In both images it looks like a QUARTER-SCALE MODEL AIRPLANE next to the bomber.
@Peter_Morris
@Peter_Morris Год назад
It still amazes me how huge these biplanes got! It must’ve been incredible to stand next to such a behemoth knowing that just a few years before, NO planes existed.
@tommytwotacos8106
@tommytwotacos8106 Год назад
Naw dude, I'm pretty sure that just before that it said "this isn't even my final form!"
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 Год назад
Probably just as weel for DeHavilland's reputation that it never went anywhere. With the compromises inherent in an extreme design, who knows what horrors might have emerged in production or service?
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 Год назад
An excercise in futility, one might say. Still, technically interesting. It pushed tech further up, got two companies experience in large scale plane construction, and looked decend doing it. Not bad for a failure.
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749
I believe it was Air Ministry policy in those times to make sure to add enough turrets, bulges, and extra wheels, to assure the plane would be slow enough so enemy aircraft could easily close up the range so they could be shot down.
@gregmuon
@gregmuon Год назад
Interesting that this flew for the first time a few months after the Boeing B9, and just before the Martin B10. It looks like it belongs to another era entirely.
@wbertie2604
@wbertie2604 Год назад
The Spad A2 design might have worked for a nose engine, apart from for the gunner. I suspect CoG was more of an issue. Yes, they had used a nose engine before, but not for something with a ton of stuff intended to fall off on command.
@shelbykingnfs7216
@shelbykingnfs7216 Год назад
3:20 this has to be my favourite piece of dialogue to come out of your videos. Simply hilarious
@charlesmurphy5644
@charlesmurphy5644 Год назад
3:49 Oh yes the JPL method of aerodynamics.
@benjaminbarrera214
@benjaminbarrera214 Год назад
Do any of these giant interwar biplanes still exist?
@CathodeRayNipplez
@CathodeRayNipplez Год назад
Seems there was a lot of drug use in the 1920's And no drug testing at work
@aussie6910
@aussie6910 Год назад
No different to Wall St today. It's just that opiate's were, more or less, legal back then in Britain.
@maddox0110
@maddox0110 Год назад
You sir, do know your classics, and/or are a roleplayer..
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Год назад
THREE engines? How ODD...😉
@paulmears5330
@paulmears5330 Год назад
Lovecraft reference for the win!
@joeshmoe9978
@joeshmoe9978 Год назад
2:07 Lots of cool aircraft in one photo.
@dw4834
@dw4834 Год назад
1st comment!
@deadon4847
@deadon4847 Год назад
@MrLBPug The condom broke.
@dw4834
@dw4834 Год назад
@MrLBPug huh
@jimtaylor294
@jimtaylor294 Год назад
"Imposible" 🤨
@janlindtner305
@janlindtner305 Год назад
👍
@TimTheInspector
@TimTheInspector Год назад
Anyone know what the tiny bipe is at 0:13 ?
@johndell3642
@johndell3642 Год назад
It's the Gloster Gannet (registration number G-EBHU) a single-seat all-wooden aircraft built by Gloster as an entry for the Daily Mail light aircraft competition of 1923. It was initially powered by a 750 cc Carden engine, later swapped for 697cc 26 hp Blackburne. Only the one prototype was produced. The failure of the original Carden engine stopped it from being entered in the Daily Mail competition. It was kept as a company runabout.
@maryclarafjare
@maryclarafjare Год назад
"Lovecraftian sacrifice ..." 😂😂😂 Classic Rex!
@dragonbutt
@dragonbutt Год назад
Broken up for scrap? More like set on fire with the engineers present and being told "Let no one ever speak of this again, for a hundred years"
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