If you use steel rails instead of concrete and larger train cars, perhaps even multiple train cars coupled together, then this metro idea could work out great. Public transportation is no small task, but i am confident that you guys can make an amazing system if you scale things up a little bit.
A billionaire sitting in an L. A. traffic jam for a couple of hours has an epiphany? I don't think this fckr is actually going to be building hyperloop anytime soon, it's useless technology. The hype is propping up his share value. Tesla has share value up there with Ford and GM but they arent even selling a tenth of what the big boys are selling. Hype is might.
This thing *isn't* for making public transportation more efficient tho It's a project only for cars and it's highly inefficient, not to mention a waste, to do this instead of making a subway train system
@@notapokemontrainer800 Don't say that. Mr. Musk has reinvented the metro and it is brilliant. A complete waste of money and time, but don't you dare say that.
What a vision to put a car on rubber-tired métro tracks, indeed. Guess what, in Paris, they even have been putting trains on such tracks since 1951 - Lausanne uses it now among others. And Mercedes-Benz also made a similar O-Bahn with buses in Adelaide in the 1980s. That's where Musk got his idea. No innovation.
@@paname514 What's wrong with building on existing ideas and what's wrong with progression? All SwissSpace said was that he's a CEO that's fulfilling his visions, how did you get something negative to say from that? Smh, it's like everyone's so defensive
@@JahMansaMusa Everybody is entitled to an opinion. But the question is why you think this is a good idea? How is it progress to waste somebody's retirement fund in toys like this? But I am not surprised you think like this. It is history repeating itself. When Enron was playing everybody, Merrill Lynch fired the only analyst who figured out Enron was cooking books. I bet they told him that Enron was doing something great revolutinizing the industry.
@@paname514 I'm just saying that it's amazing how fast he turns his ideas into reality. That's why I love this guy. Especially because of his progress in spacex. So please just try not to feel offended that quickly and appreciate what he has done for our lives
Man is this how we go from city to city. It's going to suck not seeing the nice blue sky, the trees, the mountains when going on a road trip. Road trips would feel like crap going in these garbage tunnels
@Rahul they both need track. It just not use this with this and this with that. You should know about their cost and material consumption. I reccommend a good system that is cheaper and helpful for both cases
People,if possible, still prefer to use their cars. Public transportation is unfortunately still considered something for poor people somewhere in the world. In a future world, we will need multi-layer street (so we have to decide if make them under the street or above (causing issue about lighting). And we will need to abolish non self driving car, or maybe put binaries on the streets too. It is meant not to be a better version of a street, it has to be another layer of the street. This technology looks cool, and has all the opportunities to attract rich people ( metro doesn't have that). It means it is gonna be easier to convince them to fund it. All the problems are solvable: (bottleneck of elevators with just multi layer elevators or with ramps and some mechanisms like a cableway: you go downstairs with a ramp and you wait for a platform to arrive in order to get on board; high temperature risk with simple air flow etc etc..) The only real problem? It's too futuristic for people to believe in. But is it a real problem for Elon Musk? All in all he always focused on innovation way bigger than what people expect. The main thing is: stop saying that traffic and pollution can be resolved with public transportation... People don't like them, they won't like it in 5/10 years either (this is the time we have in order to accomplish something for our planet) and above all... They are still too limited: they are only in big cities and they cover small areas... They aren't a solution for journeys longer than 10/15 km max. This is a project way bigger... Sure it is too expensive, this is why he won't be able to create something good enough without the help of others big investors. But I truly hope this project will start expanding on others layer ( road over our streets maybe). Future is now... We just need to believe in it and stop with the mediocrity of accepting that we have fucked up the planet and deluding ourself that sharing vehicles and bullshit like that are working solutions because at the moment their aren't.
@@gianmarcodezi8562 bruh maybe in the us, but in most countries its considered normal. no one looks down on it. the problem is the US not the metro. the rest of the world loves it, the us needs to grow up. ( if you want proof the Paris metro where i live has 1.5 billion anual rides, thats 20 percent of earths population)
@@Lukealby12 Yes but so many people got musked! is that my fault? :D I wish there was a way to insert link as clickable text in youtube instead of copy/pasting the whole link...is there?
It's a good idea and I see its potential, but I believe some improvements can make it even better! First, instead of using small cars, we can make the cars longer so more people can be transported at once, making it more efficient at transporting people. Even better, we can attach them all together, further increasing its capacity. Another bold idea is that installing more doors on each car can make it easier for people to get in and get out. Maybe also using an overhead wire system to supply power will also be beneficial to this system, as far less batteries can be used, making the entire thing significantly lighter and cheaper as less resources will be needed, and saving energy in the process too! And to save even more energy, instead of using rubber tyres that will wear out quickly, use steel wheels on steel tracks. They'll last far longer and they'll also generate less friction, saving energy! I know it's a little far-fetched, totally something which existed in London back in 1863, but with a little more investment from Musk's huge fortune, I'm sure this system will be even better!
While being busy thinking you were the smartest person in the room, you failed to realized to major things: battery electric vehicles are more efficient than public transport and they will be dirt cheap in the near future. This means people will be even less inclined to use public transport than they are now. And no, they don't like it. They don't like it in Europe either, and spending more money on it won't change that, just as it hasn't in the past decades. So the question here is, and that's what Boring is trying to address: how are we creating the necessary infrastructure to accommodate the increasing number of cars? It's not a big issue in rural areas, as public transport has never been a significant factor there (no, it hasn't been in Europe either). But it is an issue in urban areas. Whether this concept will work out is another story and will depend on whether they can decrease the cost of boring to make it economically viable.
perhaps if they would use larger train cars and perhaps even multiple coupled together, like in a metro. perhaps even with steel rails instead of concrete rails, for saftey reasons and stuff, perhaps if the people enter the stations without an car. I mean, if they scale this system a little bit up, they might have a great concept for public transportation!
@@ndr1259 ehmmm no.... on elevators u have an emergency button, on subways there are always the “panic rooms” and on airplanes hostess are medical prepared... and there’s always a doctor in the passengers... in the movies... so that’s it
Reminds me of a combination of Japanese parking lot buildings with robotic car elevators & the "Transitway" system they have here in Ottawa, exclusive roads for public transport; except underground and for private citizens.
As much as I greatly respect Elon's ingenuity, I think he's off the mark on this. There just seems to be a lot that can go wrong jamming tens of thousands of cars through a tube each day. I would like to see him perfect the underground high speed Maglev mass transit system. It just seems to make more sense getting all those single occupant vehicles off the road.
That's the beauty of the autonomous vehicles: it's not one main system controlled by one computer that can failed. It's millions of cars that can react independently, there is so much redundancy that it can't failed.
I don't know though. It's basically a horizontal elevator. you move a constant speed without worrying about turning. If you manage to mess this up you are over thinking it.
@@ayoze101 well you can just build a train system like we have for the past 250 years. They're far more efficient and rarely have any problems with lifts because they're so perfected.
I think the majority of the time will be consumed in making this system idiot proof, what if someone litters in the tunnel and it ends up being a hazard to the people behind?
@@TheFreddieFoo they say will be open to any brand that want to use the infrastructure as long as is "autonomous driving", I'm wondering what would be the "minimum requirements" and if other car manufacturers are willing to follow up. Also, who is going to design the pods for pedestrians? Might be Tesla itself
My question is... If it takes 30 seconds to be lowered into the tunnel and 30 seconds for the lift to return to the surface, if there were 50 vehicles in rush hour trying to use this, wouldnt car number 50 be waiting 50 minutes, and also once inside, If there was a variant of 2mph difference in every other cars speed, wouldnt there be a jam at the tunnels exit?
How do you even get the car out? How about the cars behind them? What happens incase of an emergency? How about the emergency vehicles? How about fires and how does a large firetruck get inside? How about trucks with wider/taller dimensions? Exhaust fumes? Terrorism? etc etc etc.
Elon never said that ICE vehicles will get into this tunnel network, so little chance for fire. Only utility vehicles, no trucks. Anyway, this tunnel is just a test. I am sure they have thought about every possibility
You do not "get out" the car of the "rail" system. The car already has integrated on the two frontal wheels a two-side mini-wheels that uses the same electric powertrain (it retracts and hides under the "frunk"). Only electric cars with an autonomous system are allowed to enter this tunnels (because of the lack of smoke and the need for secure guidance that can comunicate with other cars and the elevator system). In case of an emergency, the "free space" inside the tunnel will be equiped with redundant lines of water and air inyection/extraction (depending on the nature of the emergency). Those tubes would likely be already filled and closed at intervals; so even if there is a "complete disruption", they will still have a small "reserve" that automated systems can deploy autonomously with their integrated Li/Ion batteries (small enough to still "do the job" with their limited resources while not creating an aditional danger). Emergency vehicles for fires will have to be adapted to this new standard [normal firetrucks will not be allowed anyways, since they HAVE to be electric on the first place, as the lack of oxigen will stop their engines]. Trucks and other "cargo transportation" will either go on "dedicated" bigger tunnels, or simply keep using the surface [the key with this project is making HUNDREDS of standarized tunnels for cars transporting people].
@@BayernFan05 Metro lines are not efficient. The frequent stops are slowing trains down to a crawl. Have you ever been commuting an hour and a half on them (each way) ? I have. For years. I could have done the total distance in 25 minutes in a car. It's a total waste of millions of people's time. We were fortunate, though, because in my case there were exactly two people on the line that I was using, so we were only wasting two people's time. I believe the local transportation system was moving approx. 200 tons of steel vehicles over ten miles of tracks to get two people to work. They could have called a cab for the two of us just for the cost of energy alone. ;-)
Seems acceptable for a shitty first prototype. The real question is how smooth they can make them in volume, once their employees know the machinery and know how to deal with problems underground.
Since the car isn't mounted on a sleigh, does this mean the wheels will need to have a high speed rating? Family sedans are apparently rated T (max 118mph), and Sport Sedans, Coupes & Sports Cars rated V (149mph). So only sports cars can go though this tunnel?
Actual answer: The Tesla Model X in the demonstration is entirely propelling itself. The horizontal guide wheels only serve to ensure the car cannot accidentally turn or go off course while driving at high speed in the tunnel.
Tesla's autopilot definately needs those steering boots in the narrow tunnel. Sensor system was worth the money spent. Also, i already see couple'o'titanic-level recipes of disaster in that system. Pretty effective tho, cleaning the world of homegrowns, and skip the burial process..
It would be interesting to see hyperloop evolve into something practical for what we have planned in the future. With all the talk about going to Mars in the coming years and decades. Could hyperloop be used as an alternative method of propulsion in space? Have some sort of facility in space that uses hyperloop to get a craft up to high speeds and then somehow launch it directly towards mars. The vaccume of space would mean you wouldn't be drifting slowly towards the planet and I don't think any drag would cause deceleration. Any fuel needed to carry would only be needed to decelerate when the craft is close and then to land on the planet
@@paname514 rubber tyred metro inventor did one mistake. He did not put his invention on youtube to inflate the stock price :D I will be waiting to see these catching on fire like Teslas :D always fun to watch.
@@paname514 Yet again, it is not a rubber tired metro it is very different, the whole It IS a 70 YEaR oLD TecHNolOGY point is fucking stupid. The telephone is maybe 200+ years old. Does that mean that the iPhone was JuSt A 70 YeAr OlD TeCHnOLogY WiTH A bRAnD nEW CoAt Of PaINt
Imagine traffic in the tunnel. It'll be a loop. Tunnel is used to combat traffic, tunnel becomes source of traffic, people go back to roads, on and on and on.
You lack vision sir. Do you think for even a second that Elon would throw money at a half thought out idea? He builds rockets! What ever problem you may see in his plan was dealt with long before they purchased the first tunneling machine. But hey don't take my word for it. Just sit back and wait. Reality is coming. You can either be a part of it, or it will run you over and leave you behind.
@@codemonkey2k5 If Elon "dealt with all the problems" long before he got his first tunneling machine, then why did he abandon the skate idea all of the sudden last week?
It would be so cool to contact a bunch of local artists from the areas to cover all the tunnels in murals. It would be an amazing way to show the artistic side of the cities as well, knowing you left one place into another because of the changes of style and depictions of what’s in the art. A nice cultural touch to the whole thing
@@johntheux9238 and they will need masses of land to extract one car per second from the tunnel in parallel. Ooopppssss, suddenly it starts to be more expensive that a regular subway system
Elon - if you're reading. How much do you think you can lower the investment and boring cost of a tunnel dug per mile? Cities like Dublin are desperately dying for Metros or any underground tunnel infrastructure. And we have to admit it, underground trains (rail or skate) are much more efficient than travelling cars underground one by one.
@@johntheux9238 I can see this exploding into yet another game changer with Musk pulling something like he did with Tesla and open sourcing the patents for their 3rd gen tunnel boring machine once it is nearly production ready. It's crazy that a bunch of rocket scientists sat down and figured out how to revolutionize tunnel boring in just a few years time.
@@Sybaris_Rex Did they? You know tunnel boring machines existed for long time right? Check wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_boring_machine If you mean revolutionized by putting a track inside a tunnel... hmm that was done before.... no? OK the track was slightly different than normal tracks... I give them that... I am not exactly sure what they did other than founding a company, give public a cool sounding but unattainable target, raise stock price by marketing/twitter etc. I mean come on, all they came up is with tracks in a tunnel that car drives by aid of special equipment attached to front wheels? :D That is just funny...
@toyotaprius79 it is not easy to tunnel safely or easily everywhere. You heard about burning Teslas right? You want tunnels made by same company? By the way, isn't there a tunnel project already for dublin? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroLink_(Dublin)
Car elevators arn't needed. Simply use existing car garages in the city under buildings as entry/exit points by building extra ground floor for entering into tunells. Cars can travel from one garage to another through tunells at high speeds, freeing streets. Great idea. For higher speeds air should be pumped in the direction of traffic to reduce air friction. Besides little wheels reinforced bumpers should be added. In case of power loss other cars can always push it through from behind.
I honestly don't see how this is a good idea 1. Too narrow - it's too hard to drive with that precision - one car breakdown the whole thing is stuck 2. Inefficiency - the number of cars using one tube at any moment is low, coz of the lift and safety issues This thing is like a mix between a tunnel and a train, with the worst of both worlds
Well you don’t have to worry about steering with precision because there’s something connected to the car that rides along a rail underneath, you can see it at 0:55
Elon’s the type of guy that if he ever becomes president and then abolished the 4 year term and became supreme leader of the us forever... I’d be fine with that, tbh I welcome it.
it's cool, to me it has just these downsides at the moment: -AS IT IS, WORKS ONLY FOR ELECTRIC CARS AND NEEDS CAR ACCESSORIES -SAFETY IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS AND NEEDS AD HOC EMERGENCY VEHICLES -THE ELEVATOR SHOULD ACCOMODATE AT LEAST 2/3 CARS FOR SPEED OR IT SHOULD BE CONNECTED TO UNDERGROUND PARKING LOTS FOR EXIT
Could have just built a functioning public transit metro system instead of this, which actually worked for thousands of other countries across the world.
Have y'all @boringcompany considered using the ULTRA white paint 🎨 that reflects 98% of light... It would reduce the need for lights in tunnels ...and make them safer in the event of a power outage
I wish I had the money to do this. I have always thought about this idea even as my high school project on how to beat traffic in LA. Keep up the great idea and push ELON. I wish to be working with one of your companies.
Wanna know how to ACTUALLY beat traffic? Public transportation. Get less people to drive cars, so less traffic. Not some inefficient tunnels that require you to buy an expensive car in order to use.
Ngl thought it’d be different , the concept videos made it look like you just drove onto a bed and that was the thing that moved and gathered speed not the car driving and the wheels just keeping it aligned
In a dream, whereas in reality, it won't be the case. There will not be a lift and an exit for each building or every 500 metre as it would be much too expensive.
@@paname514 He said that the lifts will be mass manufactured and assembled in a factory and they will just dig a hole, put it inside and connect it to the tunnel so it will be very easy to install.
