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The British Car Industry’s Worst Mistake - The Sad Story of The BMC 9X 

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In this video we cover British Leyland’s worst mistake and the biggest missed opportunity with the cancellation of this innovative small car British Leyland’s fate was sealed which through the turmoil of its life ended in its collapse.
This car the BMC 9X was the replacement to the Mini, a car years ahead of the competition. In this video we cover its story and how BL snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
We also cover the Metro, Ford’s Fiesta, Austin Allegro, BMC 1100 and 1300 to give the full picture of the chain of events leading to this colossal mistake.
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@tomdrives
@tomdrives 3 месяца назад
I am aware, thanks to about 30 comments I mispronounced a name. I’ve corrected this in my Innocenti video.
@peerpaulin8486
@peerpaulin8486 3 месяца назад
Mispronouncing causes more comments. More comments increase the YT rank of the video. It's often used deliberately by RU-vidrs. So it's not a bad thing for them.
@somebloke4027
@somebloke4027 2 месяца назад
@@tomdrives Yeah, pedants like me can’t help ourselves. Picking up on one word that’s standing out like a sore thumb means the content in general must be excellent.
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 4 месяца назад
Mechanics of the time thought that the Mini's engine bay was cramped. Mechanics of today would long for the clearance and free space of the Mini.
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 4 месяца назад
A very truthful comment.
@1gerard47
@1gerard47 4 месяца назад
Agree served my apprenticeship on minis,mk1escorts,vivas etc still on the tools at aged 63 ,the cars now are a pain cambelts one of my hates for space.
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 4 месяца назад
@@1gerard47 Look under the bonnet of a 1960s Zephyr ,Zodiac or Cortina Mark One. Heaven.
@hackdaniels7253
@hackdaniels7253 4 месяца назад
Difference is today's mechanics don't need to set the points or alter the timing and tuning every three weeks.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 4 месяца назад
​@@hackdaniels7253You didn't need to do any of those things every three weeks, and it was a simple job when they did need doing.
@svalomat
@svalomat 3 месяца назад
Good old days of human-sized cars, not ego-sized tanks.
@christopher9727
@christopher9727 3 месяца назад
. . Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Romans 6.23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
@EyesWideOpen61
@EyesWideOpen61 3 месяца назад
New cars are ugly and asinine
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 3 месяца назад
what makes things worse is people buying pick ups like the Mitsubishi barbarian, Toyota Hilux , Ford Ranger to use as personal transport, their not trades people..i would tax them off the road. Then people wonder why they have no money later on ..
@EyesWideOpen61
@EyesWideOpen61 3 месяца назад
@@vincentl.9469 I’ll never understand it, I grew up with & learned to drive in my dad’s F250 pick up, I thought it was corny and uncool to the extreme 🤷‍♂️
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 3 месяца назад
@@EyesWideOpen61 it's not just that . They take up so much space on driveways, side roads,- everywhere. Some of these people will tell you it makes them feel safer. Not safe for anyone else though!
@LostsTVandRadio
@LostsTVandRadio 4 месяца назад
The prototype 9X certainly wasn't a looker. If it had gone to market then the styling would have needed improvement, but what a shame that it fell foul of the BLMC mismanagement. It could have been a trailblazer.
@nickreid5297
@nickreid5297 4 месяца назад
Yep! The Fiat that came along later was a much better looking car. The 9X looks far too utilitarian to sell.
@fam.arkema5946
@fam.arkema5946 4 месяца назад
The mini was outdated but still had its charm, that is why it still sold. The BMC 9x is an updated version of the mini, while people were looking for cars that looked like a car, with a bonnet and performace. So the 205 and the Fiesta came at the right time; not micro, but a decent car you could transport your grandma in. And with a boot to take her suitcase with you too. People did not want a micro-car with wheels from a wheelbarrow anymore. The time of the mini and the Honda N360 (along with other cars of that size) was history. The Suzuki GX was of that size, it hardly selled.
@buxvan
@buxvan 4 месяца назад
We had 2 Suzuki SC100'S. bloody brilliant little cars but the spares cost a bomb.
@graemeadamson7272
@graemeadamson7272 3 месяца назад
Sold
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 3 месяца назад
correct...it looks amateurish
@touraneindanke
@touraneindanke 4 месяца назад
The BMC 9X looks looks like a scaled down SIMCA 1100 which was the one of the very first hatchback. This was very successful long before a POLO , GOLF or FIESTA was available.
@budbud2509
@budbud2509 4 месяца назад
The 9X looks like a copy of the Innocenti Mini that was produced and sold in Italy with all BMC running gear . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocenti_Mini
@Inspiral-parquet
@Inspiral-parquet 4 месяца назад
@@budbud2509 It also looks a lot like the K10 Micra a model that sold more than 50,000 models in the UK in just one year (1989)
@darrinslack1269
@darrinslack1269 3 месяца назад
@@budbud2509 spot on , bmc actually brought three over and thought of building it , the innocenti mini was a better design then the x9 , actually any bmc design handed to innocenti was improved on look at the original mini
@christopher9727
@christopher9727 3 месяца назад
... Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
@deanosaur808
@deanosaur808 3 месяца назад
@budbud2509 how can it be a copy of a car that was designed in 1969 🤷‍♀️ The boxy innocenti mini was introduced 5 years later 1974 😉
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 4 месяца назад
The Metro was a revolutionary car. Its split, non symmetrical rear seats have been adopted by many manufacturers and can still be found on many modern cars, today. I learned to drive in a Metro. That monstrosity that they call a "Mini", today, does not deserve the name.
@paul7TM
@paul7TM 4 месяца назад
Yeah I had three Metro MGs in the 90s. Two were good. The last one I really wish I'd kept. The middle one a total rust bucket beneath the underseal. That was one of the main problems with Leyland and Austin Rover. They never sorted out that cheap metal they bought that rusted at the sight of rain. The designs were always good. The finished result not so much. And it really wouldn't have been much to get right.
@andrewwmacfadyen6958
@andrewwmacfadyen6958 4 месяца назад
The spit rear seat was copied from the coupe versions of the Imp. The original Metro was however greater than the sum of it's A series parts
@halfrhovsquared
@halfrhovsquared 4 месяца назад
@@andrewwmacfadyen6958 - I don't remember it being on the Hillman Imp, but I will take your word for it. My Dad used to have a Husky. What a tank that thing was!
@dannyhilarious
@dannyhilarious 4 месяца назад
Funfact: BMWs Mini shares the same platform (and at its beginning also the engines) with the Dodge/Chrysler NEON.
@andrewwmacfadyen6958
@andrewwmacfadyen6958 4 месяца назад
​@@halfrhovsquared the coupe body Imps. Hillman Imp California, Singer Chamois Coupe and Sunbeam Stilletto
@mjmorrill081
@mjmorrill081 3 месяца назад
I'm an American who lived in England in the 1980s. I had an Austin Rover $2,300s. What a fantastic car. What a miserable engine. I'd be glad to find out more about it on your other videos. When I bought the car they put a new engine in it. This did not last long. One day on a BT training course as I was driving back to the bed and breakfast the motor stops. I look the distributor is not turning. Someone in training lent me their RAC card, thankfully and I got the car towed home. It had wiped the bottom of the timing belt. I walked into the parts department handing them the belt he looked at me and said "you need a lot more than that mate". Oh how we laughed. Mine was a sea ridge in like a pearl paint job it was really a gorgeous car.
@deanosaur808
@deanosaur808 3 месяца назад
"$2,300s" that's an unusual model 😂 I guess you meant 2300 👍
@mjmorrill081
@mjmorrill081 3 месяца назад
@@deanosaur808 no sir it was a 2300 S I ought to know I owned it. The badge on the back said 2300 s. Look it up by number plate CUD 978Y.
@neildaniel8232
@neildaniel8232 4 месяца назад
The 9X had one major problem had it come to market: it was too small. Having seen it in person it's just the wrong size compared to the European cars that came later. If it had been slightly larger than the Metro was at launch it would have had a chance, but being smaller than a Mini would have been a mistake. Even the likes of the R5 and Fiesta struggled to convince some potential customers that they were big enough for a small family.
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 4 месяца назад
For Export to Japan just right!
@TheRealWindlePoons
@TheRealWindlePoons 4 месяца назад
"Even the likes of the R5 and Fiesta struggled to convince some potential customers that they were big enough for a small family." My late father in law even considered the Escort too small. He owned every mark of Cortina but the Sierra was too wide to fit down his driveway (between two buildings). Ford's loss was Volvo's gain...
@grahamariss2111
@grahamariss2111 3 месяца назад
You think BL woukd have been able to build it at a price or quality to be competitive with the Japanese offer?
@henwilvw9376
@henwilvw9376 3 месяца назад
Imagine how many minis would have been sold in Europe if it had been metric. The same goes for most of the rest.
@peterrat100
@peterrat100 4 месяца назад
A tale of British industry generally. Brilliant ideas crushed by dreadful management.
@peterhayward1848
@peterhayward1848 3 месяца назад
And extreme left wing unions.
@peterrat100
@peterrat100 3 месяца назад
@@peterhayward1848 If the managers had worked with the Unions instead of sticking to defunct mushroom management methods there would have been far less strife.
@peterhayward1848
@peterhayward1848 3 месяца назад
@@peterrat100 There was fault all round.
@davidpeters6536
@davidpeters6536 3 месяца назад
Don't forget the cars that likely would have been successful if the Unions had let them be built.
@TheDotBot
@TheDotBot 3 месяца назад
​@@peterhayward1848Red Robbo's radical left wing demands included co-determination. Compulsory in Germany. VW is still going strong, and BL?
@Lot76CARS
@Lot76CARS 4 месяца назад
Excellent again Tom! Epic shortsightedness… how to grab defeat from the jaws of victory… frustrating how close they came to launching a game changer.
@BerlietGBC
@BerlietGBC 4 месяца назад
Excellent presentation again , thank you
@johnfh
@johnfh 4 месяца назад
Thanks a lot, very interesting, and I learned quite a lot. I turned 18 in 1961 in Australia, and my first car was a VW Beetle. I had a heavy foot, and the VW was unbreakable. What about Austin/Morris? The Mini was reportedly fragile, the Morris 1000 antiquated, the A40 unappealing. I've owned 5 Minis as classic cars, and loved them. But what a disaster the British motor industry became, so many bad decisions and missed opportunities.
@89natobus
@89natobus 4 месяца назад
Great great work as ever tom. You do an excellent job. Found this channel about 3 months ago. Really enjoying the content. Thankyou .
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
Thank you, glad you enjoy what I do :)
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 4 месяца назад
A very interesting video Tom - thanks! As for BL’s biggest mistake - I think it was allowing the Maxi to production with such odd ball styling, and that dreadful cable gear-change. Given that BL was banking on Maxi taking on the Cortina class, by hampering it with the mid section from the unpopular Landcrab did sales in an image conscious market no favours. A real shame - the engineering (dodgy gear linkage apart) and packaging were ahead of their time. But, BL didn’t learn from its best selling Issigonis car - the 1100/1300, which they handed to Pininfarina to style, and hampered themselves with a cutting edge car in engineering terms, which looked out of date at launch due to the 18-22 central section. The other mistake you mentioned in your video - Allegro and Princess should have been hatchbacks, with Maxi pensioned off.
@PaddyWV
@PaddyWV 4 месяца назад
To ny mind, the Ado16 should have been given a restyled front end and hatchback - like it's Australian and South African cousins and kept in production for another year or two. Allowing time for the Allegro to be fine tuned, also given a harchback and launch in 1975. It was a decent enough car. If then the whole range was hatched, it might well have had more clout.
@kevthedynamo
@kevthedynamo 4 месяца назад
You have taught me a lot of things that I didn't know about BMC and British Leyland. I love the old clips as well.
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
Thank you, I’ve been taught by some of the best James Taylor’s books, Chris Cowen and his as well as Keith and the team over at AROnline.
@TheFrem1
@TheFrem1 4 месяца назад
Hi Tom, watching your videos and recommendation i went to the British Motor Museum at Gaydon, What a brilliant place but also a place of sadness in what could have been for the British Motor Industry looking at various prototypes, If only they took the risk. Love your videos.
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
Glad to hear you want to the BMM, it’s an amazing place ran by people who really care about our motoring heritage, I need to go more often! And thanks for the feedback I appreciate you being here and watching.
@TheFrem1
@TheFrem1 4 месяца назад
@@tomdrives You're welcome
@PaddyWV
@PaddyWV 4 месяца назад
I'm a fan of Gillian Bardsley's Issigonis book. Her interpretation of the situation was that Stokes was furious at Issigonis following the Maxi launch and he was sidelined from then on. There is a sketch of Issigonis's in the book laying out the complete 9x project right the way up to a large saloon of around 3 litres. I think he pulled out the stops to create a range sharing components and body panels to keep the costs as tight as possible. This seemed to be a Man who wanted to make anends for the "expense" of producing his previous designs. You can, looking at the sketch see the making of the Metro, Maestro and Montego some ten years later. Not that he had anything necessarily to do with that. The book also tells how the 9X engine design was actually bench tested against a K Series, which again goes to show the design quality of it.
@davidcox2716
@davidcox2716 4 месяца назад
Issigonis' own bmc9x is at the Atwell Wilson museum in Wiltshire, the guys there are restoring it, quite a story how they came by it too.
@BleachDemon99
@BleachDemon99 4 месяца назад
Do tell ☺️
@davidcox2716
@davidcox2716 4 месяца назад
The museum look after some of Gaydon's cars when displays change etc, they have the ERA mini turbo from their collection, and one day when they were collecting another vehicle they spotted the 9x in a corner and got told it was being scrapped, most parts were with it except the bonnet which they then found as it had blown off and into a field nearby! Admittedly I've not been there for a few years but the restoration was going well and were nearly at the roadworthy point. Great museum by the way too.
@BleachDemon99
@BleachDemon99 4 месяца назад
@@davidcox2716 excellent story, thank you for sharing
@adamweston4152
@adamweston4152 4 месяца назад
The BMC 9x looks very much like the innocenti mini from Italy in the 80s.
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
Extremely similar, it’s a shame those cars weren’t explored for release elsewhere
@pupettomontmartre
@pupettomontmartre 4 месяца назад
Innocenti Mini is of 1974. IMHO this 9x loos more like the 2 doors Peugeot 104.
@Giovanni60smandear
@Giovanni60smandear 4 месяца назад
@@pupettomontmartre i thought it looks like more a little Talbot to me,and to my opinion no where near this 9x would compare with 127 Fiat.
@pupettomontmartre
@pupettomontmartre 3 месяца назад
@@Giovanni60smandear If for the little Talbot you mean the 1982 Samba, that is just a rebadged and slightly modified 2 doors Peugeot 104.
@stevehill4615
@stevehill4615 4 месяца назад
Good video on the 9X Tom, I used to work for a guy (Ray Rajan RIP) who was one of the enginneers that worked on the 9X project with Issigonis and was very involved with the dx engine development as you say that engine was to have been a modular design based on a 250 cc cylinder architecture (though it did incoporate allowance for the cylinders to be "stretched" to 300 cc) but some of the other elements they were also looking at were pretty wild such as having built up crank/conrod assemblies (conrods would be one piece (like a 2 stroke) with plain bearing metal applied direct into the big end "eye", the cranks would comprise of machined pins (effectively very thick walled tubes) and crank throws/webs (sheared from plate or bar and machined for a heavy interference fit of the pins/conrod assembly) with the various parts loaded into an automatic alignment and assembly machine which when the crankshaft/conrod assembly was built would electron beam weld the pins to the throws/rods so the crank wouln't twist it was estimated with an automatic process that they would be so cheap to produce that if the bottom end of your engine "went" the assembly would be cheaper than having a crank "ground" and new shell bearings, they were proposing a similar idea for camshafts (a tube shaft with pressed on and beam welded cam lobes) an idea recently seen on modern cars such as Audi, there was plenty more ideas (like the starter/generator being built into the flywheel bellhousing) but they were the radical ones that come to mind.
@Dan_moon_sun
@Dan_moon_sun 4 месяца назад
It’s always great comedy to hear about how BL could or should have got ahead with great ideas that they just shelved for various reasons. I know it’s easy to see where they failed, using hindsight, but they must have held their heads in their hands when all those euro-minis were launched and sold which used all the ideas and styling of the 9X.
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
I can’t imagine what it must’ve been like for those involved. I’ve spoken to many people who worked in BMC - MG Rover and it’s telling there are both positives and negatives of course.
@andrewwmacfadyen6958
@andrewwmacfadyen6958 4 месяца назад
Like all the other UK vehicle producers BMC didn't deal with basic issues, the 1275 A series had well known issues with head gasket failure and burnt exhaust valves. Marina front suspension was like something from the 1930's. Triumph 2000 and Rover 2000 were in direct competition. The small Triumphs were pretty little rot boxes. The Stag just needed the right engine to be a world beater The J2, J4 and JU and EA vans were no match for the Transit although some ground was recovered with the Sherpa it was still years behind the Transit
@EllieMaes-Grandad
@EllieMaes-Grandad 3 месяца назад
@@andrewwmacfadyen6958 The Allegro had no hatchback, the Golf mk1 did. My first child arrived in 1975 and the underpowered mini850 was sold and a Golf was purchased.
@gafrers
@gafrers 4 месяца назад
Always sad to know of all these failed projects, ideas and plans. Quality content as always. Stating the obvious: "LOVE the MINI"
@biglongcadillac
@biglongcadillac 2 месяца назад
Nice to see a RU-vid video featuring a real person instead of absurd AI. Keep up the good work!
@somebloke4027
@somebloke4027 4 месяца назад
More good stuff Tom, and that Pininfarina 1800 makes me want to cry, it was damn fab. But hold on, the Auto-b-what-now? Baneechee? No Autobianchi is auto-bee-an-ki. For next time :)
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 4 месяца назад
I have seen similar looking quite modern east german Trabant protoypes from the 1960s and 70s!
@marymary4868
@marymary4868 2 месяца назад
Starting off my brother and I shared a little mini - in some respects, it was the coolest car I've ever owned.
@nandanugent
@nandanugent 3 месяца назад
Had friends who worked at BL in the late 70's. They would literally put a spanner in the line to sabotage production and sleep all night when on night shifts.
@biglongcadillac
@biglongcadillac 2 месяца назад
Spanner=wrench😂
@allancoel5832
@allancoel5832 3 месяца назад
Hi new to this channel and was hooked by its content , me been driving since 1972 , the number of comments is amazing against the number of views I find ! Good luck with this , I’ll be watching the next for sure!
@johnmoncrieff3034
@johnmoncrieff3034 4 месяца назад
The great British car industry suffered from the same problem time and time again, Hellishly poor management regardless of the company! Every where you looked there was in-house fighting for little empire builders who did not realize they were hurting the company rather than all having the same goals and working to that goal of producing profitable vehicles that the public wanted to buy! The 9X was the classic example, a brilliant design at a price that was profitable and what the public would love! once established they could then introduce the 10X as a more luxurious version with possibly electric windows etc. BMC/Leyland were not the only ones Rootes too made the unfortunate decision to sell out to Chrysler who just did not understand the UK market or the people and made the wrong decision time and time again until they ran out of money and patience then sold to the PSA group in France!
@CrusaderSports250
@CrusaderSports250 4 месяца назад
The very sad thing is that style of management is still alive and kicking in our companies, the unions carried the can, and did their share of the damage, but at the heart was just poor incompetent management, union bully boy tactics were dealt with by among other things a secret ballot prior to strike action but the management never got their turn unfortunately.
@caeserromero3013
@caeserromero3013 4 месяца назад
Innovation and engineering nous was never the problem in the UK. We could have made the Golf GTI, Ford Escort XR3I or even the Renault Espace, and BL and the Unions would STILL have found a way to make them fail....
@delcat8168
@delcat8168 4 месяца назад
Errr.. no. It was poor decision making, lack of investment, and poor management, not the unions. I expect you believe privatisation of water, electricity and gas has been a huge success?
@ETHel1903
@ETHel1903 4 месяца назад
Err yes, the unions stuffed them.know your history...
@mikeyratcliff3400
@mikeyratcliff3400 4 месяца назад
Excellent as always, reminds me of an early pioneer hatchback, the simca 1100- which in itself would have made an interesting hot hatch with the 1501 engine tweeked somewhat...
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
I think I need to explore Simca a bit more and interesting bit of motoring history.
@kennedysingh3916
@kennedysingh3916 4 месяца назад
Watched from Old Harbour Jamaica 🇯🇲 and I remember Motor magazine covered this car and I too wondered why it was not produced. If the British was diligent with their car industry we in Jamaica would be buying British cars as we use to swear by them.
@manofthehour6856
@manofthehour6856 4 месяца назад
As always, great stories, Tom. I am American, but always had a very positive attitude toward BL cars, and not just the traditional and rather novel "small" (by US standards) cars with bold and innovative features (Hydrogas, Quartic Steering wheel, etc.), but the Harris Mann cars like the TR7 and Rover SD1 3500 were models that really looked like nothing else on the road anywhere. Before Mercedes and BMW were "a dime a dozen", and rather uncommon (there was a neighbor with a /8 Benz which seemed an unconventional choice), British cars were more common and I walked by a TR7 on my street owned by someone working at a local office or shop. That freshness in styling was like something akin to someone seeing Scandanavian modern furniture for the first time after living among Victorian-style settees and whatnot. It was really beautiful, but just in a different way. Heck, I love the look of the Princess, Allegro, etc, but of course mismanagement and poor timing squandered that amazing design and engineering talent by an antagonized workforce, as well as poor marketing decisions. I only learned in the last few years that the Range Rover was destined for the USA long before it reached our shores in 1987....BL could not keep up with demand, so had to delay any USA sales. I have no idea if that even mattered except for having another product in showrooms. I say this because the "SUV" market was in its infancy rather than dominating the US market today. Jeep Cherokees and Chevy Blazers were rather common then, but not like today. Who knows what Range Rover sales would have been like in the USA if officially imported. I had to savor the cars in episodes of British TV shows like "The New Avengers", or models such as Corgi Juniors. I only saw the briefly-sold-in-North-America once here, in 1982 on a road in Canada. Still, the Corgi model I had resonated with me as being a modern, forward-thinking Britain rather than a retro-backwards nostalgic type look that some Jaguars began to take on after the XJ40.
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 3 месяца назад
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@stuartfletcher5755
@stuartfletcher5755 4 месяца назад
Very informative video Tom. I really enjoy your output, although it makes me sad to think what BL could have become with the right Management.
@giogio4833
@giogio4833 3 месяца назад
Its a pity the UK never saw the likes of the autobianchi a112 or the innocenti mini 90...I had both and they were good.
@neilwalsh4058
@neilwalsh4058 4 месяца назад
Ford's Fiesta only happened because of the FIAT 127. Ford bought 5 or more 127's to strip them down and get a handle on small FWD transverse engine configuration with an end on gearbox.
@MrLeslloyd
@MrLeslloyd 3 месяца назад
At the same time the British Motorcycle industry was being decimated,and it was all written about at the time.Simply the Japanese could see the flaws in engineering that gave them a bad reputation for oil leaks,breaking down and short life span between rebuilds.And they simply went about producing what the public wanted.Britain also lost the truck industry,shipbuilding....
@ukeuro23
@ukeuro23 3 месяца назад
All fascinating and to add my perspective... In 1982 the Sierra hatchback was shunned by the public- Ford dealers desperate to get Cortinas on their forecourts. Certainly by the mid 80s the B&Qs of the world were making big load spaces really useful but prior to the 1980s people didn't visit recycling centres or DIY stores -hard to believe today. It all seems obvious today but I think the reality is that cars that were not taken forward always seem like the saviour but I'm not convinced. It is worth noting the situation with Citroen. The C6 was one of Citroen's biggest flops (nice video on BigCar on this) - no one wanted their avant-garde offering: times had changed. We are about to have access to cheaper Chinese cars (think MG who are now everywhere) - will we see the German and French car industry hit like ours was? VW are already scaling back their electric car production. Great informative video though and endlessly interesting area.
@briannumme9337
@briannumme9337 3 месяца назад
The Stag V8 engine was considered a major disaster from the start!
@ianparker9562
@ianparker9562 4 месяца назад
Excellent video the cancellation of the 9X was just another step in their downfall, it's really surprising that this got canned but the Allegro got the go ahead
@pashakdescilly7517
@pashakdescilly7517 4 месяца назад
The Leyland management hated Issigonis. It's quite simple. No matter how brilliant an Issigonis project might be, it HAD to be sidelined. The Maxi was close to production (and so they could not simply cancel it) when Leyland took control of BMC, and they knew it was not fully ready (notably bad gear change and underpowered). It wasn't ready, and instead of fixing the obvious issues, they rushed it to the showrooms because they wanted Issigonis's car to fail. They succeeded.
@gwheregwhizz
@gwheregwhizz 4 месяца назад
That could have been a versatile design with vans and small estates like the Reliant Kitten.
@benc8386
@benc8386 4 месяца назад
Great video! A couple of comments. The Mini was not "one of the greatest small cars the world has ever known". It was, and still is, simply the greatest car the world has ever known. I think it was the right decision not to produce the 9X just because it was too small. All those European superminis were bigger than the Mini and that's what the market wanted at that time. But yes it was an innovative car, and much as I love Moulton suspensions, I think it's right that the cost was not really justified.
@williamegler8771
@williamegler8771 4 месяца назад
Yet it never made a profit and was quickly outclassed and outsold by competitors.
@benc8386
@benc8386 4 месяца назад
@@williamegler8771 Well he said in the video that it did make a small profit once they got rid of the hydrolastic.
@keithhooper6123
@keithhooper6123 4 месяца назад
The Mini had innovative engineering solutions,but numerous flaws.The 2CV ,was innovative,and more practical,designed pre WW2 .
@BanjoLuke1
@BanjoLuke1 4 месяца назад
The original Mini was a marvel of packaging, handling and design. But there is stiff competition for the title of "best". 2CV, ID/DS, 11B (all from Citroën). Then R4L, Panhard Dyna, I hesitate to say it, but I think I also put ADO16 above the Mini. The original Mini was a wonder, but there have been others as good (or maybe even gooderer).
@peregrinemccauley5010
@peregrinemccauley5010 3 месяца назад
Wrong. The greatest small car the world has ever seen, driven, raced, looked at, admired, vaccumed, washed, polished, photographed, is the Fiat 850 Sports Coupe.
@G58
@G58 4 месяца назад
When you look at the Fiat, VW and Peugeot superminis, it’s almost impossible to believe that there wasn’t either some blatant copying of any published BLMC design ideas, or blatant industrial espionage involved. However, that wouldn’t explain why BLMC dropped the idea of a hatchback replacement for the Mini. I strongly suspect that the decision was a legacy of the post WW2 investment favouritism that helped rebuild and protect the economies of Germany, France and Italy, and of course feed the mighty Dollar Machine. A great deal of innovation that took place in Britain, was either squandered, or simply gifted to the USA. Bletchley developed the electronic computer Colossus. But instead of building a computer industry in the UK, Colossus was smashed up, whilst the ones sent to the USA were gifted to IBM - which went on to dominate the mainframe computer market, and later (with the help of the smelly geek from Redmond), the desktop market too. These were not accidents - none of them. Meanwhile, in a dress rehearsal for the eventual fate of the British car insurance, the British motorcycle industry - which had been saved in 1945 by the BSA Bantam (stolen from DKW), was being decimated by similar decisions, whilst Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha were also benefiting from World Bank post WW2 reinvestment. Whilst we’re always fed takes of wasted opportunities, lack of foresight, poor management and troublesome workforces lead by bolshy union leaders, the truth is that nothing gets made without investment. So, as always, follow the money.
@les4048
@les4048 4 месяца назад
Had never heard of it, thanks for the video Tom
@thomasherzig174
@thomasherzig174 3 месяца назад
I own my innocenti Mini Cooper 1300 for 38 years now. I love the iconic design of the mini which the 9x does not have. Butfor sure many mini drivers would have appreciated the more modern engine and continuous technical improvements and improvement in quality as better precautions against corrosion and better reliability. For more than 30 years BMC or BL did not solve the problem of engine failure when the distributor got in contact with rainwater.
@landcrab75
@landcrab75 3 месяца назад
This is a great vid but fails to mention Issigonis's own 9X had a torque instead of a gearbox which the Daily Mail in 1969 hailed as the next big thing but of course you need more than a torque converter to power a small car. You can see this actual car in Calne at the Atwell Wilson car museum but struggled to maintain speed on hills. If you want to see what a 9X would have been like to drive buy a Mk 1 Polo - it's a straight copy. Whenever I see a Polo I often say "Look - a VW 9X!"
@bendenisereedy7865
@bendenisereedy7865 3 месяца назад
Management incompetence is still wrecking great British institutions including the NHS. It stems from the complacency that came from having blundered through WW11 and beaten Hitler. Meanwhile Germany and Japan were re-industrialising and creating superior products from new. I remember driving one of the first Datsun Cherrys and being amazed at how good it was.
@kenmorgan2993
@kenmorgan2993 3 месяца назад
i had a Morris Major series 2 i drove it for 13 years needed a lot of maintaining valve grinding etc but we loved it
@urglegurgle5807
@urglegurgle5807 3 месяца назад
Interesting that you focused on the European hatchbacks released after the 9X stating that it would have lead the way, rather than looking at those already there like the Renault 4, or the Citroen Dyane. The Dyane was released the same year that Issigonis started the 9X project, and was incidentally intended to be a more refined, cheaper to manufacture, more conventional, hatchback car to replace the 2CV that directly competed with the mini.
@paulnorton5670
@paulnorton5670 3 месяца назад
My mother had an 1100 MG, I had an ordinary 1100 and then an allegro. All brilliant cars but the one thing they all died of prematurely - RUST + RUST AND MORE RUST. They all had beautiful engines. My mother's first second hand A30 lasted longer than all three of them!
@alecbrown66
@alecbrown66 4 месяца назад
The 9X DID see the light of day! Only not in the UK. They were running about as the Mini Innocenti in Italy, France and corsica/sardiinia. As late as the late 90's there were plenty of them in good condition that i saw and drove. The only difference was the very Fiat style front grille. Oddly enough, when they died off they tended to be replaced by Axiam and other cycle cars, or a citroen ax as the alternative top of the range vehicle. I dont know who made the innocenti under licence (one of the fiat group, or eastern european comunist countries? The awful Yugo certainly was a frankennstien of innocenti cues)
@Nick-Emery
@Nick-Emery 4 месяца назад
I think they made the correct decision keeping the Mini and complimenting it with the Metro… which was also a very successful car in sale numbers.
@JonMurray
@JonMurray 3 месяца назад
Nice one mate, love these. Honda robbed this shape with their little e. New subscriber ✌🏻
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 3 месяца назад
Thanks Jon, appreciate it!
@willswheels283
@willswheels283 3 месяца назад
Excellent documentary, I often wonder why BL didn’t push the 9X into production but we shouldn’t be suprised by their lack of investment mismanagement. They canned some pretty decent designs, and were happy just to churn out the cars they already had with facelifts to keep them in the market. The engine in the 9X I think was somewhere between the A series and the K series, great design, I just wonder if it would have had the cooling issues that the K series had? Thanks again for a very interesting video.👍
@stainlessstaffy
@stainlessstaffy 4 месяца назад
I had no knowledge of this before this video. What an utter shame this Golden opportunity was left for the competition to gain from.
@Koulis_
@Koulis_ 4 месяца назад
The original Fiat 127 actually started out with a boot, a hatch was added a year later as they realised this was the future of small cars.
@philiphumphrey1548
@philiphumphrey1548 3 месяца назад
I think their worst mistake was not to update and develop the BMC 1100/1300. They were good cars, superb ride and roadholding (compared to Escort/Viva etc.) and only let down by limitations and age of A Series engines and rust problem on bodywork. An overhead cam engine, designing water and rust traps out of body, and adding a hatchback could have been a winner. The Allegro was the answer to none of the problems.
@davidrochow9382
@davidrochow9382 4 месяца назад
In Australia their biggest mistake was the P76.
@davidbarnsley8486
@davidbarnsley8486 3 месяца назад
If only British Leyland had better management it may well still be around today Great video Tom 👍👍🇦🇺
@bigbird2100
@bigbird2100 4 месяца назад
Great video 👍 looks like pinniferinor sold the design to Citroen creating the GSA, issigoness knew he needed to replace the aging mini 😊
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
Thank you, and yes it proves Issigonis’ genius once again
@Indigenous51
@Indigenous51 4 месяца назад
I lived and worked in the motor trade all through these eras. A very impressive video with great research effort and presentation .👌🙏 ⭐️
@ralphe5842
@ralphe5842 4 месяца назад
The mechanics then would go completely bonkers today if they thought the mini was cramped
@boronsniify
@boronsniify 4 месяца назад
I’m afraid the 9x, innovative as it was, lacked the product planning to be right sized. The market was moving to superminis like the Fiat 127, Renault 5, Ford Fiesta, etc and Issigonis’ obsession with keeping the car as small as the original Mini sadly pushed the project in the wrong direction. The eventual Metro was the right size, but hampered by dated mechanicals. The money for 9x should have been spent on an up to date range of oversquare OHC motors - the E-series had been hampered by wanting to squeeze in a straight 6 transversely, resulting in an undersquare and therefore tall and not future proof configuration. So yes, 9x is interesting, but probably wouldn’t have generated the necessary profits….
@robstirling3173
@robstirling3173 4 месяца назад
They already had a good OHC engine in the Maxi 1500 and 1700. The 1500 Allegro was a great car!
@Reman1975
@Reman1975 3 месяца назад
That 154kg weight stated for the original Mini's A series engine sounded way too much, so I just googled it. Apparently that little unit really was that heavy, and takes 3 people to life one safely !!! I had no idea. Back in my youth I once fitted a replacement engine into my 1050 Fiat 127 on my own, without a hoist. It was heavy (I'd guess about 50 or 60kg), but I managed it. No wonder the Hayabusa swap minis are so ballistically quick. Not only are they getting 180bhp, but they're losing the weight equivalent of a fat passenger from the front of the car ! :D
@deanosaur808
@deanosaur808 3 месяца назад
I think the Hayabusa engine weighs around 95kg
@johnrideout7124
@johnrideout7124 3 месяца назад
If the Morris grilled Mini's were re-made again today, just as they were, therè would be a queue for them from Longbridge to Japan.!
@Your.Uncle.AngMoh
@Your.Uncle.AngMoh 3 месяца назад
A well-presented video. Even viewing it from just news reports here in Australia, the self-destruction of BLMC was a tragedy. A slow-motion trainwreck that ruined the great names of the British motoring world.
@rocon86
@rocon86 3 месяца назад
Probably the biggest mistake was when BMC/BMH first came about. The big companies shouldn't have amalgamated. All the different brands competing against themselves with the same cars, underneath one roof, madness.
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe 4 месяца назад
It's very Sad to witness once Great Empires still in cancelation and decline.
@darrensmith6999
@darrensmith6999 4 месяца назад
British Motor industry. WHAT IF!!! Great content as always thank you (:
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
Thanks Darren :)
@andrewdouglas3091
@andrewdouglas3091 4 месяца назад
An excellent video. Thank you. What a shame BL made so many mistakes. I live in Australia and am a massive BMC and Leyland fan. My first car was a Morris Mini Deluxe 1966. I still have it and a 1977 Leyland Mini Van and a 1965 MG 1100. I’ve owned dozens of minis and BMC cars, I just love them. My mum had a Mk3 Cortina a lime green XLE with a tan vinyl roof with a 4.1 litre six cylinder engine from the Ford Falcon. It went like a rocket. Hubnut did some videos years ago on some Australian cars. I think you do a better job and are more investigating and could probably do a good series on Australian BMC/Leyland vehicles. They made many refinements to British cars and also produced their own models. Everyone just knows the P76. There’s more than that. Even the the Mini and 1100. They were adapted to Australian conditions and the changes were massive. My twin brother had a Rover 3500 V8, it was a nice car but it had its issues. They pretty popular here. We had JRA Jaguar Rover Australia after Leyland. Minis and Mokes were some of the last BL cars made here, although they did assemble Land Rovers and even Peugeot cars here too. I worked for an MG spare parts business in the nineties and remember BL Rover heritage coming to Australia to try and take control of the MG name as they were about to introduce the MGF, and they wanted my boss to pay a licensing fee to use the MG name. My boss basically told him to fuck off as Leyland or Rover had not represented anything in Australia for decades and he was keeping face and these vehicles on the road. I’m not sure how it all ended up, but the business is still going. It’s still amazing how many people still love BMC/Leyland/Rover cars. I still do. And in Australia we have no car manufacturing anymore I have Holden Commodore SV6 and Ford Falcon XR6 they the most comfortable cars for driving long distances as we do here in Australia. It’s a shame it’s all gone, like Rover. Thanks for your videos. I wish I could send you pictures of my cars. Or if you ever came to Australia, you always have a place to stay. Keep up the good work. 🇦🇺👍👍
@pizzagogo6151
@pizzagogo6151 3 месяца назад
Very interesting, didn’t know this prototype existed! The mini being the only British car I ever owned, it was great but of course I constantly wished it was updated to at least err...1970s features😅. I assumed they just failed to ever develop a replacement- clearly I was wrong! Here it is😳..what a total failure of short-sighted & stupid management to not get at least a version of this into production 😠
@JongJande
@JongJande 3 месяца назад
Everybody liked the mini .... so why change it drastically? The 9x may be better, but has awful lines .... Quality wise the mini needed many improvements (engine, corrosion), but with Japanese style refinements the concept mini could really have been a decade long stayer in the market. I had one and it was big pleasure to drive !!!
@bobwalsh172
@bobwalsh172 3 месяца назад
The poor relationship between the Leyland and BMC teams may have been the biggest problem. The merger ti form BLMC was arranged by the British Government, and "sold" to Leyland as an opportunity to create a merged firm with global scale. In fact, BMC had been on the point of going bust. Had BMC been allowed to fail, Leyland could have bought its assets debt-free from the Official Receiver and run it according to Leyland management principles; as it was, they acquired a badly-run company with a mountain of debt, run by senior managers with ill-founded self confidence. It followed that the Leyland team treated anything emerging from BMC with a lot of suspicion. Given capital shortage because of the BMC debt mountain and the fact that the Mini was still selling and marginally profitable, it was not surprising that the Leyland folks ledt the 9X project to one side.
@Rammstein56
@Rammstein56 3 месяца назад
In my opinion they should have gone for the Bertone design and the car that was actually produced in Italy by Innocenti : the Innocenti Mini 90 series, it had the much needed hatch and was an alternative for the very populat Italian made Autobianchi A112 model. They could have invested moneyin the powerhouse of the new Mini and go on from there. Let's face it, the Innocenti Mini 90 was a real looker !
@chilternsroamer872
@chilternsroamer872 3 месяца назад
Hmm. Strange that the video omits any mention of the Renault 4. The R4, iirc, used rear torsion bars - imo far superior to a beam axle. As for engine weight ... the Reliant Regal had an all-aluminium engine in 1962. (I owned a couple of the later examples - a '72 & a '73. with the 700cc engine). The "Delboy" van was also available with rear side windows and a folding rear seat - I owned one for a bit! A very practical little car, offering many of the advantages of a small hatchback - MUCH lighter than even a Mini, too. I leant to drive in a 1965 Wolseley Hornet Mk II, so I have a bit of "Mini" experience, too - that car handled well because the seats were so low it felt like sitting on the floor! Fittingly enough, my mother replaced that 1965 Hornet (fancy Mini) with a 1986 Ford Fiesta, which does rather reinforce the point you made in the video! Having said that, the various car designs near the start of the video (that BMC/BLMC never put into production), reminded me somewhat of the styling of some 1980's Citroens. So I guess "idea borrowing" goes both ways.
@christopher9727
@christopher9727 3 месяца назад
.... Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
@6643bear
@6643bear 4 месяца назад
Hi Tom , absolutely I had one of those a vanden plas model . Regards mark
@ianfleet2376
@ianfleet2376 4 месяца назад
Well done great stuff
@sudsreserve5474
@sudsreserve5474 3 месяца назад
Looks like the inspiration for the yugo
@danieleregoli812
@danieleregoli812 4 месяца назад
Love your videos mate! With that amazing and oh-so-70s hair you would look great on a Rover P6... you didn't know you needed one, right?!🤣
@setter501
@setter501 4 месяца назад
Firstly might I say I love your channel excellent work young Fellah! I'm impressed that a young bloke like yourself is taking on this project! My guess is that you weren't born when all this was going down!? Great work mate, be proud! Anyway my opinion is that BL's biggest mistake was....Excisting in the first place!! Not the cars but the company! A shocking juggernaut of a company! To me as a bit of an old conspiracy theorist 🤣 I have to say it looks like the whole thing was set up to bring down the great British motor industry!?, I reckon it was sabotage from Management all the way to unions (and this comes from a life long staunch union man!) I can not believe these people (not the workers they were got at!) made such incredible mistakes! by pure accident! It goes way beyond mere incompetence!!! 🤬 I now live in Australia but originally from UK, I was there when all this crap was going down! It's absolutely heartbreaking as I am a British car enthusiast, my favourite marques being Jaguar and Rover 😭😭 Ive owned both and own an XJ8 (built under Ford stewardship) but so sad to see what BL(zabub 🤣) did to those great marques! Along with Austin Morris Wolseley Riley! BL along with the Rootes group destroyed a once Great world leading industry so Sad so Sad! BTW I started my working life as an apprentice motor mechanic with a Ford dealer in Reading in 1967, later after finishing my apprenticeship I went to sea in the again once great British Merchant Navy as a marine engineer, yet another great British industry lost along with ship building! Keep up the good work Mate 👍🇳🇿
@andiheinrich2830
@andiheinrich2830 3 месяца назад
In 1968 the BMC 9X could't be ahead of a VW Polo because the Polo didn't appear before the mid 1970s as a rebadged Audi 50.
@geraldmouse
@geraldmouse 4 месяца назад
I was in England during this time and still feel so grieved at how their entire motoring industry just wanted it to fail. We would not look at just the good features but the "Eh?" ones as well, usually saying "the designers went home at 5 o/c. Just look at how they just left the Princess at 90% brilliant. A 90% car is a failure. I adore the Stag, but again, HO refused to install their perfect Rover V8 using (well you know). The Herald was an excellent car but again cost cutting was rampant. But, the blame isn't just at the boffin level as factory staff were nasty and I am not talking wage/condition strikes; if friends wanted bits, a couple of notes passing in a pub would get any part needed. I had a friend who asking for a radio or tacho didn't just get 1 but a box load! Remember the Jaguar that had a bad knock, had a complete strip where a nut on a piece of string would tap in the B-column with a note "so you found me at last". Let us also remember incompetent politicians who interfered with bizarre demands like the Imp being made in 3 factories hundreds of miles apart, or the TR7 being assembled by untrainable monkeys in an area where everyone just wanted to live on the dole. America demanding crippling payment for War costs was also nasty. Sorry if I offend anyone, but I am only remembering facts.
@paulmaryon9088
@paulmaryon9088 3 месяца назад
Great video, thank you
@jimeditorial
@jimeditorial 3 месяца назад
I had no idea that all UK Minis used the Hydrolastic suspension. Here in Canada, I owned a 71, 72 and 74, and I never saw a Hydrolastic Mini.
@PeterRust-xo3fw
@PeterRust-xo3fw 3 месяца назад
They didn't
@seriksson9721
@seriksson9721 4 месяца назад
The front has great similarities with the Simca 1100.
@RandomerFellow
@RandomerFellow 3 месяца назад
We had a series of programs about cars that were on TV in Sweden at the time. Remember that we viewers were often warned against buying British cars.
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 3 месяца назад
I wonder if they’re on here archived?
@RandomerFellow
@RandomerFellow 3 месяца назад
@@tomdrives I found one - a reprint of the (Trafikmagasinet) "Traffic Magazine" from 1982. (Missing English subtitles though) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ULqG7H5vktY.html
@RandomerFellow
@RandomerFellow 3 месяца назад
@@tomdrives I found one - a reprint of the (Trafikmagasinet) "Traffic Magazine" from 1982. (Missing English subtitles though) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ULqG7H5vktY.html
@wickiezulu
@wickiezulu 4 месяца назад
At best an improved development of the 9X should have been applied on an earlier ADO88/LC8-type supermini capable of underpinning a direct SWB Mini replacement. The 9X’s gearbox was viewed as inferior when compared to the Mini, Clubman and Autobianchi A112 (see Issigonis bio by Gillian Bardsley), its engine was also a blind-alley the company could ill-afford against an earlier A+ or A-OHC. The 9X was basically created from the remains of the Innocenti-initiated Mini-Mini later 750 project that eventually became Innocenti Mini with Bertone styling (and a rejected Michelotti proposal).
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 4 месяца назад
I’ll give the bio a read, thanks for that one.
@wickiezulu
@wickiezulu 4 месяца назад
@@tomdrives Would also get the one by Jonathan Wood as well. If able to read or translate Italian, would look to get LE AUTO DELLA INNOCENTI by Colombo Sandro for a more complete picture on the 750 even though it doesn’t touch on Issigonis’s involvement.
@swordscot
@swordscot 4 месяца назад
Even the Metro missed the mark. At the launch the competition were planning their next generation of hatchbacks half a size bigger.
@chucky2316
@chucky2316 4 месяца назад
The mini was a seller why change things they could have updated it like later ones and concentrated on a more modern mini that bmw bought along a bit later its all missed opurtunity
@michalkuc1719
@michalkuc1719 4 месяца назад
I understand the anger of the British that they once had a very large car industry just behind the American one, and now it is not in the top ten. But what are we Poles supposed to say? In the UK you still have Jaguar, Land Rover, Mini, Bentley, and Toyota and Nissan made car in UK. And we don't even have that in Poland. There is no Polish car brand. The Czech Republic, smaller than us, has a Skoda and even Romania has a Dacia.
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 4 месяца назад
Fiat produces 500s in Poland and Ducato transporters
@michalkuc1719
@michalkuc1719 4 месяца назад
@@Schlipperschlopper Fiat 500 and Fiat Ducato. Such a great family car. Fiat 500 A great car with a large trunk in which a family of 5 with a dog can travel comfortably.
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 4 месяца назад
@@michalkuc1719 I have heard that Tesla moght build a factory in Poland when Ukraine war is over
@michalkuc1719
@michalkuc1719 4 месяца назад
@@Schlipperschlopper April 1st was 2 months ago.
@arbjful
@arbjful 4 месяца назад
What Polish car brands existed before?
@MePeterNicholls
@MePeterNicholls 4 месяца назад
9X front is stark to modern eyes. But overall the package idea was spot on
@Grenadieros
@Grenadieros 3 месяца назад
Alexandros Arnoldos Konstantinos was in Greek, Alexander Arnold Constantine was in English the first name of the Isigonis. His father was Greek from Smyrna and his mother from Bavaria (Germany).
@paulrobinson3649
@paulrobinson3649 3 месяца назад
Refreshing to see a younger RU-vidr that isn't convinced that BL problems weren't all to do with unions. Years of poor sales put the beancounters at odds with the creatives in a battle to kill or cure. Harris Mann could tell you who won.
@tomdrives
@tomdrives 3 месяца назад
It’s easier to point the finger at an old report or parrot what other people say. I’ve spoken to workers, some managers and read up myself on this stuff, while unions were a part of their downfall it isn’t the root cause.
@mtbailey106
@mtbailey106 4 месяца назад
Reminds me of a simca 1100
@leno4920
@leno4920 4 месяца назад
Good stuff. 👍
@djmossssomjd8496
@djmossssomjd8496 4 месяца назад
Love your blue 'Tina Mk3. After 50 years and 5 months of driving, never heard of this little car. BMC would have just lost more money making rot boxes (in fareness nearly all cars then were rot boxes!) The mini was the best thing they did...the rest were mostly boring FWD and engined cars.
@raymondrichardson6061
@raymondrichardson6061 4 месяца назад
Great stuff ( again ) thank you. The choice of disasters, could take forever. I think the biggest mistake was the K series engine. Such promise, but let down everyone. The only reliable thing about it, was the regularity of it overheating. So many otherwise sound motors , scrapped, as they were uneconomical to repair. This made even the remaining loyal diehards, myself included, give up. I could weep for my beautiful unmarked, regal looking, champagne 75, wheeled awau for scrap. So many knowing, pitying looks thrown my way. They did know better. I knew then, there was no coming back. Death by gasket.
@masseyfergy68
@masseyfergy68 3 месяца назад
The british leyland.... always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory......
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