"The Brother of Satan" - Cliffe Knechtle BASHES Joseph Smith, Mormonism & The LDS Church's Beliefs 

@@johnholliday5874 being nice does not make someone a Christian.

Being nice doesn’t mean you’re saved. Some of the kinder Muslims I met were great folks - not saved. I’ve met kind non Christians, not saved. Jesus said’ “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me.”

And how do they do that when they don’t believe in the Christ of the Bible? What does it take to “exemplify” being a Christian? News flash: nothing except faith in Christ Jesus and His finished work on the cross can do that. All our “good works” are as filthy rags to God. Mormons do what all other cults do: they try to put on a show cause they’re based in paganism. 🤷🏻‍♀️

^^^ look at their anger, their vitriol... interesting. Nowhere does the original comment even say the word "nice" I'll be praying for you guys.

@@johnholliday5874 like The sex rituals? Yeah definitely Christ like! Members of LDS aren’t necessarily bad ppl and most think they are doing good, but they are deceived, and eventually get to go through rituals that were stolen from Freemasonry and Occult organizations. They have sex rituals! Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe and be who they want to be. But to call themselves Christian is ridiculous when they barely follow Christs teachings. Christ never said the Father was a regular man from another planet who became god of our planet and had two sons Jesus and Satan. The cult was formed by Joseph Smith, a man who was a known con man and criminal who said only he was allowed to see what the angels told him. Those tablets that no one else could see, his wives that he forced members to give to him like property? Yeah how Christ like

Proud and grateful LDS here as well. Excellent statement and one that should be repeated. It is a shame when protestant pastors who intellectually and theologically misrepresent the Old and New Testaments for personal gain. This man's representation of the LDS faith is both inaccurate and intentionally misleading.

@@donquijote6030 if you don’t believe that Jesus is God. Then you quite frankly are not a Christian. You are something else. By definition, you are Not a Christian. Jesus is not an angel or a small god from the planet kolob who is brothers with Satan.

​@@donquijote6030 "Lds" as in Latter day saints?..well there is No Human Alive today that is a Saint and if there is The World doesn't know about him or them,cuz it would be 1 or 2 people cuz a Saint cannot be a sinner and are you not sinner's?...

@@ghostwiththewind - The definition of a saint is where we disagree. No saint has ever been perfect in life, because no man or woman besides Christ himself has been perfect in life. A saint is one who strives every day to live their life according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and improving themselves and the lives of their neighbors.

@@ghostwiththewindsaint Paul was a sinner he wasn’t perfect so was saint matthew and the others they were human like us

It would be amazing to see a church Apostle on the PBD Broadcast.

@@adrianw3985- I would LOVE to see an LDS “apostle” on this show with say Trent Horn, and James White and 2 or 3 other Christian apologists then talk. If you aren’t a Trinitarian you are not a Christian

Respectfully, please read Joseph Smith's King Follet Discourse, and compare it to Isaiah 43.10,11 John 1.1, John 1.14 There will not be any more gods . There is only One God . Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Joseph was mistaken.

@@ragnardanneskajold1880 W

@@ragnardanneskajold1880 When did Jesus say He was trinitarian and you must believe that to follow Him? Please cite the scripture.

I don't need to talk with Lucifer to know Satan is evil. Nor do I need to speak with a Mormon / LDS member to know they are heretics who believe they will be a God of some planet when they die. No thank you!

There are many ex Mormons who have exposed what that satanic church believes.

Thank you for providing a textbook example of the genetic fallacy.

@@regpharvey thank you for providing a textbook example of a simpleton lame brain dismissive attitude and behavior syndrome.

@@regpharveyThis isn’t, you are more likely to get an accurate understanding of the Latter-saint faith when you ask a member rather than one who isn’t a member, especially if you were to ask one of the scholars such as Don Bradley and Robert Boylan. The main problem that I see with those who are not members of the Church is that often times they are using a definition from their own theology to explain a doctrine taught by our Church.

Are you wearing your magic underwear? Any good sex rituals lately? So are you a god or will you become one after you leave this earth?

@jacktaylor3638 The truth very very often offends people. Any Christian is completely in the right for calling out the cults that twist, corrupt, change, add to and take away from the word of God. You are in a man-made, Satan inspired cult. I don't say that with malice. It is a simple truth. The doctrine you follow completely contradicts what Jesus and his apostles taught.

Angels can't disobey, there not made like that...so Satan wasn't an Angel 😇🤯

@KoachSavage Yes they can. The Scriptures repeatedly point out times where angels disobeyed and turned away from God. Where are you getting your information from? You just say angels can't obey so this means it's true?

@@KoachSavage And your proof for this is where exactly?

I was thinking the same thing.

I recommend Blake Ostler

@@rdrzalexa or Jacob Hanen from Thoughtful Faith or Greg Matsen from Cwic Media. All of these, including Blake Ostler, would be a great choice.

@@dfull31Greg and Hansen are untrained. Ostler is the goat.

Everything that this man said is 100% true and factual about the latter-day Saints and the Mormon movement. If you do not believe that, Jesus Christ is the alpha and the Omega, the eternal God then you are by the very definition, not a Christian.

Correct what he's saying. I was Mormon for 30 years and can't find a single thing he said that was false.

@@austinnajar - When you claim that you were "Mormon" for 30 years, perhaps you should include what kind of "Mormon" you were. Did you study the doctrine, pray, seek guidance and enlightenment? Did you attend the Temple and receive your endowments? Far too often, those that claim to be a member for any amount of time only set foot in a church a few times. Hence, duration of "membership" is hardly a gauge of commitment or knowledge of the doctrines of Christ. As for your challenge, the pastor claimed that Joseph Smith changed many of the doctrines of Christ, not the least of which was polygamy. He then glossed over one Old Testament prophet who had hundreds of wives by citing a verse from Genesis 2. However, he completely ignores the dozens of examples of Old Testament prophets that had a multitude of wives and dozens of children -- not the least of which was Jacob who became Israel, the father of the Twelve Tribes. The other big flaw in his "theology" is the criticism of the Biblical doctrine that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. If God the Father created all things, then would that make him the Father of Jesus and the fallen angel, Lucifer? Calvinism and neo-Platonism really did a number on the Protestants grasp of basic theology.

@@donquijote6030 I was born and raised in the church. I was a deacons quorum president, teachers quorum president, priest quorum assistant, served an honorable full time mission in San Antonio, TX, was endowed in the St Louis Temple, married in the Provo City Center temple, was a Ward mission leader twice, a young men’s president, and a first counselor in a bishopric. I also have read the Book of Mormon 30+ times, the D&C at least 15 and the POGP at least 10. I’ve studied the Joseph Smith Papers in depth, the Gospel Topics Essays, and the entire JOD. So if you want to compare Mormon bona fides, I’ll put mine up against anyone. And the idea that Jesus was created at all is a heresy known as Arianism and was denounced at the Council of Nicaea. So no, it doesn’t make sense at all since Jesus wasn’t created. In fact, Jesus is the creator of all things that were made which includes the angels of which Lucifer was one. This idea that Gods, men, and angels are ontologically the same is completely unsupported by scripture. God is wholly different from all of His creations. And humans and angels are not the same type of being. They never have been

Mormons teach too much about Joseph smith and not enough about Jesus

@@weirdguymustache - That would be a comment from someone who has spent little to no time in an LDS Church on Sunday. In fact, the LDS speak of Christ so often that the church is named after him. What is the name of your church?

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

LDS Mormon Prophet Russell Nelson Book of Mormon Seer Stones & Hat Translation Explained ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DG181zFA5YM.html

@@michaeljeffords4010 Well spoken!

Very well spoken

The Trinity is a “detail outside of what makes a Christian a Christian?” You are kidding right? If one is not a Trinitarian one is not a Christian- period. Your church teaches of a “great apostasy” after the death of the last apostle; absolutely and unequivocally false! We have the writings of the church fathers beginning in the 1st century. Your assertion that because the Nicene Creed was 290 years after Christs death means it’s untrue even though the Church in Council; profession of faith- yet your church shows up 1810 years later founded by a man from New York is the truth? Just stop….the absurdity is staggering

Got the year wrong. I guess you might have gotten everything else wrong. Research more! post comments on topics you don’t understand less!

@@ragnardanneskajold1880 Don’t get your Irish up! Catholics, Protestants………we are all brothers and sisters. Just be glad that Celtic paganism is not allowed to sacrifice humans anymore.

I know! 😂

​@@Irvingdector problem is... it's on the LDS website lol 😂😂😂 what did he say that was wrong?

We're capable of reading a book that is the basis of your beliefs. Name one thing he said that is not true about the LDS church? No problem with LDS, live in Utah and love it. Nothing but positive interactions with Mormons. But theologically, it is very difficult to say LDS and Christianity belong in the same boat.

@micahkagler3236 the D&C holds more information and the various journals. Not to mention, their website is a great place to find out this information. Part of the issue, there has been a huge push to appear Christian, especially after the 2018 proclamation by President Nelson that they must drop the name Mormon as an identifier for themselves. Many young Mormons try and say, "We are Christians too!"... I have been studying Mormonism for the past three years in my efforts to counter-witness to missionaries. It's amazing how much they try and make this work.

It is annoying. Especially when he doesn't even really understand the doctrines. I'm fine if he understands them and disagrees with them, but to misrepresent them is dumb.

Amen

It's just an offshoot cult

The last thin pbd needs is to invite a LDS on here. No, please

You have drunken the Kool-aid.

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Sc rolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

God did not nor has ever endoresed polgamy

Tell us you're a member of the Morg, without telling us you're a member of the Morg. The way you said the name of the church is so telling of being a part of the collective.

@@maxrees8445 And saying Jesus is not God and Satan is equal to Jesus and worshiping demons.

@@jeffreydavid6794 to believe in Jesus Christ and his atonement means to believe he is God, otherwise an eternal and infinite atonement could not be possible, neither a resurrection. Have a great day.

@@GrizBear63 I have no problem declaring my membership but my personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the covenants I've made with him are the most important thing. I've covenants to always remember my Savior. To keep His commandments. And to be willing to take his name upon me. That's not including the temple covenants I've made in addition. Just as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

@maxrees8445 But that is not what Mormons believe. Mormons believe Jesus is Satan's brother. Not God. You have a great day.

So do Muslims and numerous cultures do around the world. What’s your point.

@@aaronraju8254I think he was referring to Christ and Lucifer being “brothers”. Latter-day Saints believe that there is a Heavenly Father who is a separate being from Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Only Begotten in the Flesh and is literally (not figuratively) the Son of God…. They believe in God the Father and God the Son as being One in purpose but separate in personage (John 17). But they also believe that ALL of mankind are spirit sons and daughters of God. That ALL spirits were created by God. And one of those spirits was Lucifer. Logically, it checks out.

@@danielmartarano7251but this is false teaching. A spirit is not the same as the Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ. Lucifer is a fallen angel.

@@ErinAbou I agree… my spirit is different from Lucifer’s, too. Christ has all the glory and power of God the Father. Lucifer has the exact opposite. But, they both have a spirit that came from the same Creator. (Christ has both spirit and body-a perfect resurrected body, just like God the Father… but Lucifer will never have a physical body).

Feel free to debunk what he said

Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies.

Why don’t you respond with a rebuttal to the points he brought up instead of just being frustrated?

@@davidpoole409 You're on RU-vid, if you can't do a quick search and find solid info yourself, you don't care enough to truly process and accept the information.

@@pewtorye I have and frankly there is almost NO content with LDS debating Christians. Seems they avoid debates. Plenty of Christians out there evangelizing and debating the soundness of their faith.

Patrick is NOT a muslim. You do know that don't you?

Ummm... Patrick is a Christian

@@katscully Yeah but he's still an Arab, which means he still has Muslim friends somewhere to watch this show and by proxy (relation) he doesn't wanna offend them on behalf of Patrick.

@@greasy8394 talk about reaching. This is absurd.

@@katscully Of course. That's why I subscribed to his channel

Nothing will make Mormons mainstream Christian. That aside, this does not mean that Mormons do not follow a moral order.

What about the holy underwear?

@@mavericksolo8055 and this shows your iq

What did he say that was incorrect or atleast a misunderstanding?

Mormonism is ran by masons it’s a financial and religious scam

Why wouldn't we. We search for truth and light no matter where it comes from. But this man is not speaking it when it comes to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

​@@corrystucki3874Truth is Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies.

PBD is hard not to like, and I’d honestly say the same thing about Cliff. Cliff may not appreciate everything I believe but I think of Luke 9:49-50. He honestly seems like a righteous dude.

​@@corrystucki3874 I'm LDS and I once thought the way you do. When I did research and looked at actual reality, the fact is Joseph Smith did Indeed make up all this stuff -- including the whole claim Polygamy was commanded by God. _ESPECIALLY_ his claim polygamy was commanded by God! That alone should wake you up and help you realize Joseph Smith follows the pattern of the typical Cult Leader. He starts sleeping with all the women among his followers -- even the married women who are married to men who are his faithful followers. (you haven't read the Church Essay on "Plural Marriage" have you? It's on the Church website) Joseph Smith had all the life behaviors of the typical Psychopath. (the vast majority of psychopaths are not killers, but deceivers; they're Con Artists). There is no doubt at all that Joseph Smith was a psychopath. He had no conscience. If you go back in History and only refer to original documents, you can see, for example, how Joseph Smith gradually developed his religion. Even the name of the Church was something that evolved. He started out calling it the "Church of Christ." Next it was the "Church of the Latter-day Saints" and then "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Do you really think if GOD had revealed the name of the Church he would need to change his mind so many times? Oh, and by the way, the current version of "The Doctrine and Covenants" has in it CHANGED "revelations" from God. If you look at the earliest version of the "revelations" (various sections of the D&C) as contained in the original "Book of Commandments" (you can find it online as a pdf) you can find the original version of the revelations. Joseph Smith changed them over time as his version of his created religion changed. So he "put into God's mouth" totally different words. Joseph Smith was, in reality, an evil man. Psychopaths don't look evil. They're out to Con you, so they're charming, folksy, and confident. Joseph Smith also was not "lacking in education" as the church wants us to believe. Hyrum went to Dartmouth and came home daily and tutored his younger siblings -- including Joseph Smith. His training included Oration. Haven't you read the CES Letter? How about the SEC Report? Just do an internet search for "SEC Ensign Peak."

@@corrystucki3874 @corrystucki3874 I'm LDS and I once thought the way you do. When I did research and looked at actual reality, the fact is Joseph Smith did Indeed make up all this stuff -- including the whole claim Polygamy was commanded by God. _ESPECIALLY_ his claim polygamy was commanded by God! That alone should wake you up and help you realize Joseph Smith follows the pattern of the typical Cult Leader. He starts sleeping with all the women among his followers -- even the married women who are married to men who are his faithful followers. (you haven't read the Church Essay on "Plural Marriage" have you? It's on the Church website). Joseph Smith had all the life behaviors of the typical Psychopath. (the vast majority of psychopaths are not killers, but deceivers; they're Con Artists). There is no doubt at all that Joseph Smith was a psychopath. He had no conscience. If you go back in History and only refer to original documents, you can see, for example, how Joseph Smith gradually developed his religion. Even the name of the Church was something that evolved. He started out calling it the "Church of Christ." Next it was the "Church of the Latter-day Saints" and then "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Do you really think if GOD had revealed the name of the Church he would need to change his mind so many times? Oh, and by the way, the current version of "The Doctrine and Covenants" has in it CHANGED "revelations" from God. If you look at the earliest version of the "revelations" (various sections of the D&C) as contained in the original "Book of Commandments" (you can find it online as a pdf) you can find the original version of the revelations. Joseph Smith changed them over time as his version of his created religion changed. So he "put into God's mouth" totally different words. Joseph Smith was, in reality, an evil man. Psychopaths don't look evil. They're out to Con you, so they're charming, folksy, and confident. Joseph Smith also was not "lacking in education" as the church wants us to believe. Hyrum went to Dartmouth and came home daily and tutored his younger siblings -- including Joseph Smith. His training included Oration. Haven't you read the CES Letter? How about the SEC Report? Just do an internet search for "SEC Ensign Peak."

Joseph Smith was a fraud

It's really convenient to say that you must get information "from the horses mouth". You also eliminate ALL negative criticism of that faith. I wonder what reaction Protestants would get if they tried the same tactic. No dice. Either answer the criticism or bow out of the argument. You don't get to reframe it.

@@Daniel-vp2on Let me go ask my Atheistic friends about the accuracy and truthfulness of Christianity then. I mean, why bother going to the "horse's mouth" because you don't want to negate any negative criticism of Christianity.

@@Daniel-vp2on It's even more convenient to make up nonsense about people and then demand that they pretend it's legitimate. The criticisms have been addressed ad-nauseum in perpetuity for 200 years. At this point, there's no excuse to be as appallingly misinformed as Knechtle. His embarrassing ignorance is his own fault.

@@TimothyBerman it's not that you're going somewhere. Who are watching this clip came to this site to watch it? Didn't think so. This is an attempt to silence criticism, of which you're doing towards Christianity, which happens all the time. When have you heard a Christian say, "don't bother listening to their legitimate criticisms. Hear my answer framed the way I want it first."?

@jonathanolson8945 There is no place in the Bible that encourages polygamy. The Bible is a historical book. Just because it says something happened, does not mean it is saying it is good for that thing to have happened. Solomon having hundreds of wives, especially pagan wives, was his downfall. Abraham had children with 2 different women because he sinned and did not want to wait on God. Jacob had 2 wives because he was tricked by Laban. The Bible makes it very clear in the book of Genesis what God's plan is for marriage. One man and one woman. If you have not noticed, almost every single Old and New Testament Saint was a deeply flawed person and a sinner. Having more than 1 wife is a sin.

@@jeffreydavid6794then why so much hate on Joseph Smith. He is also a flawed prophet of God. That should not mean he is disregarded as a prophet.

@reagan-shayleeward7498 No, you are completely wrong. I say that not using my authority but the authority of the scriptures. Yes, every single prophet of God is flawed because every single prophet is a human which makes them a sinner. However, if a so called prophet is teaching doctrines that contradict the doctrine that Jesus and his apostles and saints taught, they are a false prophet. They are not a prophet of God. They are a prophet of demons. Joseph Smith was a person who was Influenced by demons who were telling him to change scripture and start his own cult. There are no more prophets today and there have not been since Jesus came 2000 years ago. Anyone who has come along since then telling us we need to believe things other than what the scriptures say, they are demonic. This is why the catholic church is demonic too. They change the word of God and add to it and say they have authority over what Jesus said. I am not hateful. I am stating truth. If you don't like it, I do not mean to hurt your feelings. But I will not tell people who are in satanic cults they are prophets when this is a lie.

@@jeffreydavid6794 - Polygamy was not encouraged by the LDS either, my friend. In fact, the Old Testament's treatment of polygamy is similar, if not identical, to the treatment of polygamy by the LDS faith. Not that I would expect the Protestants who spend their time attacking other religions rather than teaching why they are correct, to explain that doctrine to their adherents.

You’re totally wrong about polygamy. Pastor Cliff is completely wrong on this. He’s going to answer to God when it’s all said and done. So Abraham and Moses and David and Gideon and other Holy men of God were wrong? Where does God say polygamy is unlawful?

To be proven incorrect again?

Go away! Forever!

because you're in a cult.

He brings out good points. I'm not Mormon, but BOM is true. I've learned , do I serve God or do I serve myself? God allows us to see spiritual truths as we grow closer to him. The Bible and BOM are spiritual books, not temporal.

​@@paulanix7561The book of Mormon?

@@emmanuellawyer8562 YES! The language of Lehi is the praise and worship to God. Nephi is humble and seeks God diligently and God says "blessed are you". The common theme is repentance and reconciliation with God. Please don't let the traditions of men keep you from recognizing God is always before you. Praise God!! He loves us so !!

Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies.

@@paulanix7561 I'm pretty sure the Book of Mormon says black people are black because of sin. Considering how Joseph Smith lived I would say he has more in common with Muhammad and Jesus.

Did you watch the whole video?

Both are of satan

😂 literally as soon as he was done bashing mormonism he started bashing Islam. They are both satanic cults.

He's talked about Islam a lot and stating facts isn't attacking.

Islam and Mormonism are low-hanging fruit, it takes Bawls to criticize Judaism.

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

That adam is god?

Well said

Just curious, what did he say that was false or a misunderstanding?

@@Al-cy7wga Mormon will never get down the facts of what he may have miss represented because there isn’t one lie he told. He said exactly what Mormons believe straight from Joseph Smiths mouth. They just don’t like the fact that it came from a non member….

​@Al-cy7wg where would you like to start? For one, right out the gate, he ignored half of the torah in an attempt to make polygamy seem anti biblical. Right out of the gate he just ignored critical aspects of the OT story. I love Cliff. I love the work he does. But that was some serious biblical errors he performed there towards the LDS faith. You can believe in their faith or not, that doesnt change the numerous times in the Bible that polygamy is not only practiced, but condoned by God.

@@TheSchoolofTrading I’m sorry, but there is nothing in the new testimant that permits polygamy. Secondly, if your scripture reading is based off of the Old Testament, then why are you not Jewish because people who believe in the Old Testament do not observe Jesus as our Messiah……once again, you’re in complete conflict of your own religion if you believe in the New Testament. Jesus praises marriage between one man and one woman. Not to mention the Bible does not praise “plural gods” you should know the Bible preaches there is “ONLY ONE GOD” and the whole trilogy “father, son and the whole spirit” there are plenty of passages in the Bible warning us about “false profits” and Joseph Smith is a false profit….

Neither can Judaism. It's based on inversion of all that is good & natural.

@@katscully We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. It's mainly because of the archeology, "friendly" writers, and "hostile" writers mentioned above that the Jesus Seminar, who are PhD level ashiest/agnostics who study Christ and the Bible, concluded that Jesus really lived in Judea 2,000 years ago, was known as a miracle workers, died on the cross under Pilate, and that his disciples really believed they had seen him risen from the dead. The fact that there are contradictions between manuscripts is often sited as proof against trusting scripture, when it actually does the opposite. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. There is also all the undisigned coincidence between not only the four Gospels, but the rest of the New and Old Testaments too. Matthew 2:22 talks about Joseph not wanting to return to Judea after fleeing to Egypt because Archelaus was ruling. That's all the info on that the Bible gives. Josephus, the Jewish historian, tells us about the things Archelaus did and how evil he was. Put these two peices of evidence together, we get the full picture. This sort of thing happens through the text with the seemingly useless details matching up perfectly with extra Biblical sources, lending to the credibility of the text. The Apostles willingness to be killed not for saying they believed Jesus had risen, but they knew he had risen, because they saw him. If the tomb wasn't empty, they would've paraded the body around to stomp out any idea of Jesus being ressurrected, but Christianty spread because there was no body in the tomb. If someone stole the body, why were nearly all the Apostles willing to be killed for saying they'd seen Jesus risen? They were thousands of miles away from one another before phones and the internet and were being threaten, tortured, and murdered for their claim. Not one "broke" and said it was a lie to save themselves. It's because of the evidence that I believe in Jesus.

@@trentitybrehm5105 Beautifully stated but what does this have to do with what I wrote?

Complete nonsense, Islam is most fastest growing religion in conversation because it makes more sense whereas other religions do not make sense and they either follow their desires or it’s been corrupted

Lol keep wishing pagan - you literally worship a demi god and that by definition is a pagan 😂. Islam is the only monotheistic faith out there, with the most elaborate, strictest definition of who and what God is that no other faith can match.

Well stated, my friend. Stand for all that is good and virtuous, and you will stand with Christ.

🔥🔥🔥🔥💯

Lol as a agnostic LDS, Catholic,prots ,all of y'all are a funny bunch, the persecution complex is common in all though

Why would you interpret what he said as hate? Very strong word for someone who disagrees with the lds church. He is doing a difficult thing for most people, telling truth even though it is offensive to some. You disagree with him, I'm sure you don't hate him.

@@ryanbernhardt619 - Because it is derived of hatred...and old and bitter hatred. All Protestant religions, and there are many, believe that they can prove that they are right by attempting to tear down everyone around them. That is the epitome of hate.

I’m not a communist, but I can easily explain why communism is crap. Piss poor argument bud.

​@@Ghidorah_Stan64😂...no, it's on point. This is theology, not economic systems. He's not accurately portraying what other groups believe while pretending to be an expert in them. He's the very definition of going to someone's enemy to find out what they're like. You're only going to get distortions, deliberate or ignorant. Distortions all the same.

@@brentd273 Joseph Smith’s alternative version of Jesus and the gospels have no basis in any historical evidence, the early Christians and ancient Hebrews have always been monotheistic, Smith’s ridiculous claims of how certain races came to be should be enough to prove he was an idiot. You don’t need an expert theologian to disprove Mormonism, you just need a basic high school history teacher to do it 😂

​@@Ghidorah_Stan64you just did what ol' mate in the video did. Soon as you cross over from 'I believe x' into 'they believe y' you enter into shaky ground. You'd want to be 100% on the money when representing someone else's belief structure and theology. Which neither that guy or you have been. Islam included.

It's funny how catholics, Muslims, Mormons always accuse people of lying about their beliefs when people are quoting directly from their religious writings. You can read something directly from the demonic writings of Joseph Smith to a Mormon and they would say that's not what mormonism teaches.

​ I sincerely believe polygamy was an invention of Brigham Young after the murder of Joseph Smith. Joseph was on record rebuking his followers who started practicing it. I would consider myself a "non-denominational Mormon" at this point as I no longer follow the LDS church but do believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith. As far as Jesus and Lucifer being brothers.... This comes from the belief that Jesus is the son of God and God created all including Satan who rebelled. Satan has no power to create therefor God created him. God's own son (flesh by Mary and deity by God) Jesus Christ is our Savior. He was baptized and the voice of God said "this is my son in whom I'm well pleased." I Don't know how or why people believe this is the same person. God testifying of Jesus and Jesus testifying of his father.

​@@JonJGuev91😮

*Mormon

@@JonJGuev91 What do they lie about?

@@wyattsmith2155 Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies.

It’s really THAT SIMPLE. 😊

@@blakesurerus7272 2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 12¶But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

To venerate fiction is blasphemy. 2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 12¶But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

@@patpatterson9719 or he can just have one on to talk about their faith and basic beliefs.

Tell me what he said that was wrong? I live in the middle of Mormonism. Married an now ex -Mormon, she was a missionary. I have studied Mormonism for over 30 years. He only barely scratching the surface of what is wrong with Mormonism as compared to Biblical Christianity.

Cliffe is absolutely 💯 percent right he said nothing false about LDS

Why? This is a Christian podcast, nor a Mormon one.

Can't be an Apostle. There were 12 in the time of Christ. That's it.

PBD Should have a conversation with Glenn Beck about LDS Beliefs and his conversation.

Are you muslim

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

@@trentitybrehm5105 By flesh and blood it is not revealed unto thee, but by the Father which is in heaven.

They're verses are diametrically opposed to much of Christianity. I honestly wonder if Joseph ever read the entire bible. An example is Jesus SPECIFICALLY said that people don't marry or give into marriage in heaven, that we are like angels. This is opposed to Mormonism who claim we marry in heaven. The book of Galatians 1:8 warns about angels who preach false gospels to people. Both Islam and Mormonism have angels that speak different gospels in them.

Bye

have you actually watched PBD? PBD has offered several shows of similar content offering the opportunity for various religious leaders to speak and make their point.

I do actually. Frequently - checking my history just now, looks like 10-15 videos a day. I may have been unclear at what specifically I take issue with. It’s not the varying views at all. This one straight, a little too far, in my opinion, into bashing and misrepresentation. If one can’t promote one’s religious views without bashing others’ through willful misrepresentation, then you’re probably doing it wrong.

Agree 🤍

​@@revdavidpeters 🙄 grow up.

I have yet to see one. Do they have lectures?

Who? Lol. How can you be competent with lies and fairytales?

@@limitlesswinning984 plenty. Try Scriptural Mormonism RU-vid channel and blog, Scripture Central, Book of Mormon Central, LDS Truth Claims, Doctrine and Covenants Central, Thoughtful Faith, FAIR LDS, Interpreter Foundation.

​@@limitlesswinning984yeah. Try Scriptural Mormonism

@@limitlesswinning984 there's plenty more, but RU-vid keeps deleting my comment if I try to create a long list.

Agree

I am a member of the LDS Church and I totally agree and support you in your declaration. Catholics love Jesus and Jesus loves Catholics.

Amen 🙏🏻

The Vatican was infiltrated and has been throughout history. That is why there are Protestant Churches. We are talking about very evil activities the Catholic Church has engaged in and continues to engage in including raping the children of its members.

Catholics worship Mary. Jesus said very clearly that HE is the only mediator between man and God.

The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit speak to each other and about each other like they are separate people. There are passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too. Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. Today, if only you would hear his voice, Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God. John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God. John 14:13-14 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. John 5:19-23 Jesus said that he does everything exactly as he see the Father does and does everything the Father does and that Jesus will be judge and the Father will judge no one. John 8, Jesus says that he saw Abraham and Abraham didn't try to kill him like the Jews were and Abraham was glad to see him. John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was. John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us. Genesis 15:1-5 Jesus is the Word who came to Abram in a vision and gave him the promise of Issac, then verse 5 says the Word of the Lord (who is Jesus) lead Abram outside and gave him the promise of innumerable descendants, as many as the stars. A human being is what I am. trenititybrehm is who I am. God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people. The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus. Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Savior. John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Genesis 32:22-32. Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58 Genesis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven. Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father. Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later. Mark 1:1-4, the very first verses of the very first chapter of what is cited as the very first Gospel calls Jesus God. It references Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 where Yahweh says he will send his messenger who will be like a voice in the wilderness to make the way before he himself comes to his temple. Mark says John is that voice in the wilderness, making the way for Jesus. John 1:23 , Matthew 3:3, and Luke 3:4 also say the exact same things. So all four Gospels call Jesus Yahweh in the first few chapters in the exact same way quoting the exact same Old Testament scriptures to do so. In Mark 10:18, Jesus said,"Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God." Meaning: "You call me good when only God is good, do you understand what you are calling me?" To further the point, Christ then lists the 6 commandments that relate to how people deal with each other and asks the man if he's followed those. The man says yes. Then, instead of listing the 4 commandments on how to relate to God and asking if he's followed those, Jesus tells the man, "Follow me," because following and worshiping Christ is following and worshiping God. In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jeremiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three in Mark's Gospel, which is often considered the oldest of the four. Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal. Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talking about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son. Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means “God with us" ) Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God." Revelation 1:17-18 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.” (God is speaking, saying he was there from the beginning, and that the Lord God and His Spirit sent him. The Trinity in the Old Testament.) Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

Or he will say all the stuff Mormons don’t want us to talk about anymore 😂

He just stated everything one needs to know about Mormonism 😂

Cliff has debated a ton of Mormons on this subject. Cliff has been speaking and debating for years.

Yes, it will make more Mormons change their mind, and do their own research. Then if they can open their eyes, then they will see that the have been deceived.

show me the Archelogical evidence for mormonism...

Bringham Young and Joseph Smith both OPENLY embraced white racism and wrote about it. Joseph Smith HIMSELF wrote that black skin is a justification for slavery in the U.S. He published this in his own books in English, so there's no interpretation or translation excuses. We know this is incorrect doctrine for scientific reasons, but also because one of the first gentile converts was from Ethiopia. It says it in the bible. All tribes and tongues will be preached to. The bible never mentions that dark skin is a curse in any passage. Face it, your gospel is FALSE, and you need to seek after the true gospel and read the bible and embrace true Christianity. Galatians 1:8 specifically warned about false gospels preached by angels. Both Mormonism and Islam were brought by angels.

So did you "test the spirits" then? If you did you would have clearly seen that Joseph Smith was an anti-christ.

To venerate fiction is blasphemy. 2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 12¶But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

To venerate fiction is blasphemy. 2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 12¶But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

@@JozeemossYour reply has nothing to do with his comment. Not even addressing the bible bashing…

Where did the events in the Book of Mormon take place. Where is the city of Zaramehla?

@@chriseasterly5142 its located in Wonderland.

What did his guest get wrong? All you have to do is read LDS doctrine and you’ll see how ridiculous the LDS bullshit fantasy is.

​@chriseasterly5142 thats a good point, there is little to no archeological evidence for things described in the book of mormon. The nephites supposedly had metal tools, weapons, and armor, as well as horses and charriots. None of which showed up until the europeans arrived long after the events of the book.

the average mormon could debate this guy and win easily. I don't think they'd do it because he is just stuck in his head.

Cliffe has been debating athiests for over 40 years he is not that well imformed on other denominations because he tries to just stick with the bible or sometimes oradox so cliffe is very smart but he has not gotten deep into other denomiation only hit the surface, now I don't know you but try preaching the gospel for over 40 years to athiests and planting seed but people imply you a bad christian. Cliffe has most likely thought he was going to be asked things relating to athiestm because thats who cliffe has been preaching too for the last 40 years

@@GalaxyCatPlays Yes, He is very smart. Why would a very smart man skilled and seasoned in debating with athiests think he would be prepared to debate an area of religion that he hasn't even read or diligently studied?

@@nanizon The Topic came up I guess. Its a whole hour podcast so i'd suggest you watch it :)

Yep. The attacks will always be there.

Smith is the original attacker...

Why not get an actual historian instead of a cult member lol

@@Bc232klm Look, if you’re not a believer in Christ and have no desire to investigate what Christianity is then fine. I’m not here to have that debate. I’m just here to point out that the stuff this guy is saying is both factually false or misrepresented.

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

Same lol

On that subject, It is clear that Father children are His children in his family and therefore siblings including Lucifer. But it is not so clear that satan is still a member of God's family as perdition is to destroy and satan is cut off from life and heaven to which the rest of God's children will be taken except the sons of perdition. Technically, are jesus and satan still brothers? Please include scripture sources in your reply. thank you.

LDS Mormon Prophet Russell Nelson Book of Mormon Seer Stones & Hat Translation Explained ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DG181zFA5YM.html

@@louccideavon7116 David Alexander is an 47-year Evangelical he started a RU-vid channel the moment he began meeting with the LDS missionaries. His perspective on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is absolutely amazing . I would love to see an interview with him and PBD

Why? This is a Christian podcast, not a Mormon one.

@@scott-yi4sfhe actually was part of a different cult, known as Twelve Tribes. He was never an Evangelical Protestant Christian. He’s a fraud.

Mormon scholar, that sounds like an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard of one.

@@ErinAbou not really, Mormons have a rich intellectual tradition. I agree that there are a lot of hive mind, naive followers, but there is a significant part of their religion that are extremely smart. Let's have good faith discussions. You can't try and compare religions of your best versus someone else's worst as a serious argument. Mormon scholars are extremely bright. You should have nothing to be afraid of to let one on and challenge the BS of Cliffe

100% and this is coming from someone that is not Mormon.

It’s because it’s not historically or theologically accurate. Do some research on this. Part of the LDS problems is that you defend things which are not taught in the Bible, the Old and New Testaments. I hope this helps, as I am not trying to offend anyone, just giving an honest critique.

he doesnt need to. the bom is not the word of God. the Bible is, and joseph smith taught lies about Jesus and gave false propheicies, which disqualify him as any kind of prophet, and show he was a false prophet. turn to the Jesus of the Bible and away from that cult.

Where did the events in the Book of Mormon take place. America, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Panama?

@@brianm2238 from a man who read the BOM, right? No one can claim to have a true knowledge of something untill they have truly studied it because all their opinions are based on heresay. You really can't offer valid evidence to your claims. I understand that it can be scary to learn about something we are not used to especially when we have been prejudiced against it but anyone claiming to have God's Holy Spirit has the ultimate witness and if we are not blocking him with our fear and hate, we can know for ourselves with a testimony vs an opinionwithout fact basis. This principle is true applied in attaining all knowledge that God reveals to us.

@@nanizon Did Joseph Smith give false prophecies?

And what's even more frustrating is the fact that they aren't even willing to give the book a chance. When someone says that the Book of Mormon is Satanic and of the devil, you can guarantee they haven't read it. And it's almost as if they're afraid that the church ends up actually being true. If you have a strong enough testimony and a clear enough mind, the fiery darts of the adversary will have no effect on you. When I was attempting to cook up a batch of soap on our porch a while back, I had left the oily mixture simmering on our propane stove(I find that the hot process is easier and faster) to try and get it to the right consistency, it caught fire. The flames were at least two feet high, and my father ran inside to get baking soda. The only issue is that when he poured it on the burning oil, it only made the flames grow higher, reaching even further and practically licking the gutter. If we have a strong enough faith and a deep enough of a love for God, what would normally be seen as anti and "knife in the coffin" arguments only drive us deeper into what we already know. I don't have the strongest testimony as of late, but one of the reasons I enjoy reading and going through anti content is because of the plain fact that it hypes me up about my religion. All of these atis online hating on the church just reaffirm me of my testimony rather than lead me away from it. The only question is if it does the same for them. Why do they hate, despise, and even fear a simple book "written" by an uneducated farm boy if they seek after truth. They have the Bible as their sole scipture, what need they to fear? If they truly know the truth, then why do they despise and destroy what they *know* to be incorrect. Not many of them show a lot of compassion towards the church and the BoM. I think the answer is simple. They are afraid. They don't want to give up the lease that their religion offers. They don't want to investigate what they fear might be true. I don't mean to offend anybody, but it seems that this is the case.

Yikes

More people just need to say Pentecostal.

Where's your church?

😂 structure from non denomination 😂 you are lost

@Converse-o4d Jesus is not a religion. He is all about relationship with Him. According to His Word, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.. According to His Word, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

They're cults

Misconstrued? Wth are u talking about?

I don’t understand your point of view. This person is actually on point when it comes to structure. Religion is nothing more than the tradition of man, Matthew 15. Nonetheless, I respect everyone’s beliefs and show God’s love to everyone I meet.

@@Daniel-jh3tc I wasn’t referring to his view on structure. I was referring to his views on a specific religion. He clearly has his views about a religion which he bashes. I was saying it’s not fair to interview someone about a specific religion who clearly has negative opinions about that religion and who might not understand why they believe what they believe.

​@@The_Wanderer1 what did he say that was factually false?

Fastest growing religion, 500billion and zero debt. pretty sure they’re doing something right 👍🏽

FUNNY.. ALL THESE FAITHS ARE ANTI BLACK HEBREW.. THE ONES WHO DESCEND FROM BIBLICAL CHATTEL SLAVERY OF ARABS AND EUROPEANS.. GEE. KYRIE DOES A POST AND ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.. SAYS A LOT.

@@meccafilms7673 you speak of wordly things. The mandatory 10% tithe to enrich the church is not of God.

Mormons believe in the bible tho

Islam is of Satan.... 👉 And when there came to them an Apostle from Allah verifying that which they have, a party of those who were given the Book threw the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing. S. 2:101 Shakir

And a non-mormon about mormonism, smh!

What if the member is misinformed about thier own group. Mormon/ LDS faith and even religions like Jehovah's witnesses are high control groups. What members think they know isnt always the case. Source: im an ex JW and also attended LDS meetings for a considerable time.

It’s all written

No, but you'll learn more from an x member than from a member

@@kathynaylor4357 I guess you would be lying when you say Heavenly Father then...

actually none of us begin as children of God, but of wrath. Only when the Holy Spirit has drawn us and we respond in repentance and faith do we become his children. "among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." Ephesians 2.

@@edmarlow5580 great view of non-christians

@@alukiian8148 I know, let's pray that he can reach more people with the truth and share the good news of the gospel of Jesus with followers of the satanic cults of catholicism, Islam and mormonism.

​@@jeffreydavid6794AMEN

I agree. I pray that he reaches Mormons with the truth of Jesus so they can leave the darkness of their religion.

@@jeffreydavid6794 I challange you to pray in earnist for God's enlightenment on LDS for a clean heart and being open to the Holy Spirit and see what God tells you. Keep praying until He answers you and as you know some require prayer and fasting so I challange you to put the weight of your soul behind your words and fast and pray.

@@austinnajar Will you fast and pray? Will you freverently pray and petition Father for this?

Lucifer's name means son of the morning' He lost that name when he was cast out of Father's Heaven and became satan = adversary. satan is not the same nature as he was as Lucifer. He has been banned from returning to the Father's house and sentenced to eternal death and outter darkness by the Father. Is he even a legitamate member of God's family anymore? I feel no compassion for satan and I feel no kinship to him. As I look at now, i think he has been cut off like a branch from the tree. Exactly where does it say that satan is a brother to Christ's people? I've only ever understood it from the benefit that Lucifer is a child of God. And the assumption that as satan he still is. Now I am curious to know more.

@@nanizon I can refer you to the LDS website to study it. No room here. Yes he was physically and spiritually rejected, will never have a resurrected body or live with God again.

No where does sacred script say jesus and satan are brothers. Yes Lucifer was the morning son and a brother but he was banned, cut off and became the destroyer and adversary. the word satan does not mean son of the morning. That's a misapplication.

That's where you are in error. Satan is an angel, a created being. Jesus is God. The second in the Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. He told the Pharisees, Before Abraham was, I Am. He is the word. The word was in the beginning and created all things and was and is God.

​@@nanizonAngels are called sons of God, but there is only one begotten Son of God, Jesus.

You must be on whatever Joseph smith was smoking to say something so ridiculous

Joe Smith was a false prophet. Let's start there.

😂😂😂

Please....

To include elements of Free Masonry in the temple ceremony.

😂

So you’re saying that Joseph Smith didn’t have plural wives or you don’t believe that Jesus or brothers with Lucifer? That’s exactly what Mormons believe

Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies.

@@Jozeemoss “Yeah well, that’s like your opinion man”

@@georgewashington1414 Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

@@Barisdagame bruh they literally had a whole episode exposing how ridiculous Joseph smith was lmao

@@Ghidorah_Stan64 Apparently someone didn't finish the episode, lol

He was a Mason not a prophet of God! Look it up

I guarantee cliffe knows the Bible better than you do bro. This guy has been preaching for over 30 years. The Bible, not from plates in a language no one ever spoke, from plates no one ever saw. Just the story of him getting the plates and bringing them home makes no sense. You can't carry that much gold at 14, grown men can't lift it. Many parts of the BoM have been debunked.

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

They are good representatives of the LdS church. Not good representatives of Joseph Smith or the BoM.

LDS and Christianity are incompatible

Yeah well your audience is much smaller than Bet-David's, and the audience can read the bible for discernment. Any small bit of research can easily disprove Mormonism. Repent and embrace true Christianity. People do not marry in heaven. Jesus SPECIFICALLY says this in Matthew 22:30.

@@rs72098 The LdS doesn't teach that you do. They marry everyone to each other on earth. Former members can dispute the LdS claims much better than never members.

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

The one true faith. GOTCHA!! Lol.

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

No they are not. Galatians 1:8 warns about false gospels preached by angels. Jesus himself said that people do not marry in heaven. Your book directly contradicts this verse in the bible.

Cliffe has been debating athiests for over 40 years he is not that well informed on other denominations because he tries to just stick with the bible or sometimes oradox christianity so cliffe is very smart but he has not gotten deep into other denomiation only hit the surface, now I don't know you but try preaching the gospel for over 40 years to athiests and planting seed but then people imply you're a bad christian. Cliffe has most likely thought he was going to be asked things relating to athiestm because thats who cliffe has been preaching too for the last 40 years

@@mascotbenches5146 To venerate fiction to Gospel is blasphemy.

A gunfight? He was incarcerated and was murdered, along with his brother, by a heavily armed mob. It was more of a lynching than a fight.

yeah this guy is scared he might not have all the truth

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

How was it to disparge, all he did was state we he thinks they are wrong.Is that not the point of answering the question. Cliffe has been debating athiests for over 40 years he is not that well informed on other denominations because he tries to just stick with the bible or sometimes oradox christianity so cliffe is very smart but he has not gotten deep into other denomiation only hit the surface, now I don't know you but try preaching the gospel for over 40 years to athiests and planting seed but then people imply you're a bad christian. Cliffe has most likely thought he was going to be asked things relating to athiestm because thats who cliffe has been preaching too for the last 40 years

all fools call out other's supposedly bad, while ignoring their own.

We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. It's mainly because of the archeology, "friendly" writers, and "hostile" writers mentioned above that the Jesus Seminar, who are PhD level ashiest/agnostics who study Christ and the Bible, concluded that Jesus really lived in Judea 2,000 years ago, was known as a miracle workers, died on the cross under Pilate, and that his disciples really believed they had seen him risen from the dead. The fact that there are contradictions between manuscripts is often sited as proof against trusting scripture, when it actually does the opposite. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. There is also all the undisigned coincidence between not only the four Gospels, but the rest of the New and Old Testaments too. Matthew 2:22 talks about Joseph not wanting to return to Judea after fleeing to Egypt because Archelaus was ruling. That's all the info on that the Bible gives. Josephus, the Jewish historian, tells us about the things Archelaus did and how evil he was. Put these two peices of evidence together, we get the full picture. This sort of thing happens through the text with the seemingly useless details matching up perfectly with extra Biblical sources, lending to the credibility of the text. The Apostles willingness to be killed not for saying they believed Jesus had risen, but they knew he had risen, because they saw him. If the tomb wasn't empty, they would've paraded the body around to stomp out any idea of Jesus being ressurrected, but Christianty spread because there was no body in the tomb. If someone stole the body, why were nearly all the Apostles willing to be killed for saying they'd seen Jesus risen? They were thousands of miles away from one another before phones and the internet and were being threaten, tortured, and murdered for their claim. Not one "broke" and said it was a lie to save themselves. It's because of the evidence that I believe in Jesus.

@@trentitybrehm5105 you have the writings of SOME of the disciples. The rest were left out by Pagan emperors, took back to Rome and burned. This is historical fact and indisputable. It was done to control the "Christians", who really aren't Christians. Of course pagans wrote those things, they don't want you to know the real teachings of Jesus. I find it ironic you only listen to pagans and not God. You never once said God inspired the pagans who put the bible together and this is the only word of God. The men who put the bible together during the abominable creeds were lying backstabbing. Litterally. They killed anyone who disagreed with them. The only reason you believe what you do is because one group had a bigger militia than the rest. Not because God said this is true.

Have you? I don't think you have

That’s factually inaccurate. I’m sorry buddy. If you need an explanation, let me know. Have a great evening

LDS beliefs are there for anyone to read and study... Just because someone is there that says "I believe it" doesn't make it true...

The purpose was sin. One man, one woman.

@@SenseiOwens Tell that to Nelson and Oaks. Both are sealed to 2 women, polygamy is required for the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom, remember?

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

Woah to those who call good evil and evil good

interesting, that's exactly what they said about Jesus. Cliff is in good company then.

Sounding like a first century Pharisee from over here

The Bible is authoritative. That's why it makes all the cult followers angry. Mormonism, catholicism, Islam are all satanic cults because they go against, twist and change what the authoritative word of God says.

Since when is being “authoritative” a negative? Let go of your bias and try listening.

Joseph smith was a liar, conman serial cheater and abuser.

Joseph Smith was and will always be a false Prophet. That alone invalidates any claims the Mormon church has on being correct.

Joseph Smith was a Mason...not a prophet of God...look it up

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

Think you need to read the Old Testament again. Moses was not a polygamist. Also, just because they did it, doesn’t make it right and it goes against God’s word many times. For example, why would biblically structured elders of the church need to be “…the husband to one wife..”? (1 Tim 3:2)

@@klutz8019 OK, I read the Old Testament again. Just like you said... and guess what I found, sweetheart! Exodus 2:21 Moses marries Zipporah, and Numbers 12:1 Moses marries an Ethiopian woman. (This must be so embarrassing for you. We all see clearly now why your name is klutz) Please show me where God condemned any of them for polygamy. Remember, you cannot add your opionin to the Bible - Revelation 22:18.

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

@@trentitybrehm5105 You misquoted Alma 7:10! That's not what it says. If you have to misquote to be right, then you haven't a leg to stand on.

@@BlaineHeggie Other guy responded to you too yk?

Wrong. Nice try. Don't equate being attacked for your Mormon beliefs as being persecuted. You're being shown the errors in your doctrines. It's painful to learn you have been deceived. I get it.

Wither "You" stopped Polygamy over one hundred years ago or not. Joseph Smith practiced Polygamy until the day he died! So either Polygamy was Wrong then, when Joseph practiced it. Or it's wrong Now when Warren Jeffs Practiced it. It's still Immoral and and a Sin especially when you marry a 14 year old. Like Joseph and Warren did. FYI Warren Jeffs is serving a life sentence for Statutory %%%APE. The exact same thing Joseph Smith did!

In Alma 7:10 (the Book of Mormon), they say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. Micha 5:2 (from the Old Testament) Messiah is prophecied to be born in Bethlehem. We have copies of this document from the Dead Sea Scrolls dating to a century or two before Christ. Bethlehem is a different city than Jerusalem. Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1) 1 Nephi 18:25, 2 Nephi 12:7, Mosiah 9:9, and Ether 9:19 discribes plants and animals being in the Americas that we know were no here until they were brought by colonizers. 1 Nephi 19, 1 Nephi 18:25 discusses there being metal working like swords, armor, and coins when there is no evidence anywhere in the Americas of any metal work being done or ever found. Mormon 8:2 and Ether 15 discuss battles with hundreds of thousands to millions of people, using armor and metals, with chariots, and there is no evidence of any such battles taking place. Even with small battles, there is always massive amounts of evidence that it happened from human remains, armor, arrowheads, swords, ect. and we find none of that for these battles. Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. The Book of Mormon has none of this.

Y'all know more about Joesph Smith then you know about Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh Human nature and Devine nature ☦️ Joesph Smith was also a Mason...look it up

Maybe you should lower your nose and see the love they have for you?

why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

What did he say that’s wrong

Jesus Christ would have said the same about Joseph Smith and Martin Luther Get out of your feelings and read the Bible

Thou shall not disagree? Thou shall affirm other religions? I don't remember these commandments.

​@zaywill I've read the Bible. The king James Bible. The Bible itself claims to be incomplete. Stop believing only what the pagans told you you're allowed to belive and pray to God for answers. Quit looking to man.

You don't read the Bible, do you? You're speaking from emotion and ignorance, rather than biblical truth.

It’s not “bashing” when you state the truth of The Bible and contrast it with fake teachers. Numerous times in the Old and New Testament Christians are required to do this.

Hmm, can you give a reference for that?

😂

Simple as THAT. Yet people can’t (or refuse) seem to understand that simple concept.

if you know anything on Mormon doctrine you would know that the plural marriage thing was temporary situational because back then there were more women than men and woman did not have rights they had to marry or die because of this lack of rights some married only in name to give them some form of rights, but it is now deemed unnecessary and resolved in this era all things change with the flow and wind of time... we beg that you let go of this stigma

@@catherinedraper789 why should I take a religion that started with a false prophet “translating” non-existent languages through a hat seriously?

Troll 🤡

Cliffe has been debating athiests for over 40 years he is not that well informed on other denominations because he tries to just stick with the bible or sometimes oradox christianity so cliffe is very smart but he has not gotten deep into other denomiation only hit the surface, now I don't know you but try preaching the gospel for over 40 years to athiests and planting seed but then people imply you're a bad christian. Cliffe has most likely thought he was going to be asked things relating to athiestm because thats who cliffe has been preaching too for the last 40 years He does read trust me, he just doesn't understand denominations properly.