The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky Book 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, Epilogue Summary and Analysis

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Welcome to the CodeX Cantina where our mission is to get more people talking about books! Today we jump into Books 8 (Mitya), 9 (The Preliminary Investigation), 10 (The Boys), 11 (Ivan), 12 (A Judicial Error), and the Epilogue of "The Brothers Karamazov" by Fyodor Dostoevsky. We're going to move at lightning speed through just some of the analysis points we want to talk to. Let's be honest, you could make this video 12 hours and you still couldn't cover it all! In fact, you could probably spend that whole time just on "Ivan's Dream" and just trying to answer what does Ivan's Dream mean?
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@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

The Brothers Karamazov Playlist: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--hXT6MQxZxg.html Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/thecodexcantina TABLE OF CONTENTS: 0:37 Book 8 13:02 Book 9 19:29 Book 10 29:15 Book 11 42:29 Book 12 46:50 Epilogue

@TheHistoryShelf 3 года назад

I've learned so much from your analysis. I'll come back to these videos again when I attempt a re-read. You are both rock stars!

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

I hope you do re-read! Such a great book to revisit

@deanerhockings-reptilianhu8701 3 года назад

Good Lord both of you are so much more intelligent than I - I waded through this book and was blind sided at the big chapters - amazed by them but missed so much at the peripheries. Truly a great novel; thank you both smart gentlemen, for giving me a way deeper insight and the engine to reread this insanely good book.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

Well I'm glad we fooled you into thinking we were smart. Very fun book to discuss. Glad you enjoyed our rambling!

@thePot_ Месяц назад

Jesis, who dares to critisize book 10? It's just overwhelmingly brilliant. Not only it goes deep and actually precisely describes the "leader" socialist (obviously, with no father, tough, extremely brave, challenging "old world"), who is actually a perfect description of Lenin (even though Dostoevsky fairly had no idea who was Lenin at a time), even by his psychological portrait (remember when he wants to visit Alyosha, he is nervous and thinks like hey, I have really not beautiful, but smart face!, so this is brilliant Dostoevsky's deep analogy : devilish socialist is nervous before meeting the good guy, and he is searching for some justifications of himself and finds out, that he is actually smart, I read it as in every bad guy, in every socialist, there is still some good and reflection, and every good guy is being also attacked by Devlish forces, like Alyosha after the death of Zosima, who goes frustrated, and is immediatelly catched by the troll Rakitka, who proposes him to go and drink alcohol!, but also take a look at how badly Ivan can defend against the devil with his ideas, who almost goes fully mad when talking to the Devil later, and only Alyosha saves him at the last moment!) but it also describes the whole analogy of the bigger society at a time. The poor, innocent and sick boy Ilyusha is dying and he feels guilty, because they've killed that dog, but Krasotkin cheats him and lies, giving him another dog - this is how socialists actually act even nowadays. Book 10 is nothing but brilliant, and it explores in little more detail the questions of socialism and nihilism against the old, christianic society and the "poor folk".

@Oscar_Mendez 2 года назад

I finished the book today. Your videos really helped me to understand better the book. I was watching them while I was reading each chapter. Thanks for your amazing videos! ♥️

@TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@amusicalbookworm 3 года назад

Great discussion, y’all are brilliant, thank you for your insights!

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

It was great talking with everyone on stream!

@JacobRuizDesign Год назад

So much more in depth than other videos on this book. Thanks for making these

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

Thanks for the kind words!

@tameerferreira1692 Год назад

Thanks guys for the commentary. I appreciate your content.

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

Thanks for the watching!

@J0zB 3 года назад

You guys are the best. Joining you to read this beast is one of my best BookTube experiences. 🙏🙏🙏

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

This might be one of the best comments we've ever received! Thank you so much :D

@davidfozo6656 3 года назад

Splendid analysis, guys! Thank you very much.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

Our pleasure!

@sergiochavez8413 2 года назад

Great video!! Reading the novel was just an amazing experience and your analysis was very enriching!! My favorite novel so far.

@TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад

Thanks, always best when you can talk through literature with others. Cheers.

@LarryHasOpinions 8 месяцев назад

just finished reading this today, i enjoyed all your analysis, very insightful :-)

@TheCodeXCantina 8 месяцев назад

Thanks, Larry. It’s been a while. Hope you’re well!

@DebMcDonald 3 года назад

THANKS! I read this book in dec with Mayberry Bookclub and couldn’t resist reading it again with you. I changed translation just to spice it up. It’s the first big Russian novel I’ve read in its entirety. I’ve been reading the Russian short stories along with you which gave me courage to try a novel. Many thanks 🙏. Deb

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

No, thank you! Such a kind thing to say and I'm so glad you enjoyed them!

@tothelithouse6562 3 года назад

This was an amazing discussion--it gave me so much to think about. Loved the comments on being true to oneself vs. regurgitating information to win an argument or sound smart; that conversation between Alyosha and Kolya stuck with me, too. I was not expecting the book to have a full-blown trial, but it turned out to be one of my favorite parts of the book. Like Una mentioned, the whole book leads up to that moment in which the characters' (mainly, but not limited to, Dmitri's) actions are judged. And I also read the funeral scene in the epilogue as hopeful, it is a perfect ending.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

I wasn't expecting a full-blown trial either at first? I was like, dang big D, you going to fit every genre known to man in one book?!

@elliott9995 3 года назад

Thanks again for these videos. Dostoyevsky balances so many themes with such skill that it’s just useful being able to watch a discussion on them. I think you’re right that in the context of the 19th century, this book has almost a prophetic quality. (Spoiler) I think the quality of the book can be summed up by the question of who killed Fyodor in a way still being unanswered at the end. Obviously one brother quite literally has the blood on his hands, but there’s an argument for the actual guilt being with Ivan, Dmitry or even Grushenka/ Katerina. It’s a book that rewards you to constantly scratch at the surface of each theme. I do wonder if Katerina actually held to her promise of help to Dmitry at the end; I have my doubts. It’s a sad thought to think of Dmitry toiling away in Serbia until his death. I felt the last chapter “speech by the stone” was a lovely counterpoint to Ivan’s revolution. Yes death, and deaths of those so young will continue to happen but Alyosha and the boys’ active love refuted Ivan’s cynical thesis. Imagine if Alyosha stayed in the monastery and never got involved with the family.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

Great points. Thanks for sharing!

@Catherine_Ea 11 месяцев назад

Thank you, after finishing reading these books for the first time in my life I been researching for context and analyses and I got a lot from your guys' videos, made me look back to a lot of things that flew by my head. Many are just opinions of course, I am aware, however, one statement that I am not sure I can get behind even as a suggestion, although I wish I could, is one from the video about the first books - and I am might be wrong, probably, as I am a first time reader only, but that still clings to my mind so I wanted to comment. You guys said that probably one of the reasons Dostoevsky begins the book with Fyodor - who then we already know is going to die - and have so many characters, and jump from POV to POV, is because he doesn't want us to get behind a single character just because they are the "main character". He doing that makes a lot of sense, both when thinking about the writing we have in hands, and thinking about what messages he might have wanted to pass. However, while reading the book I really took Alyosha as the protagonist, simply because the narrator tells us he is the hero he is writing about. I am not sure if I am misremembering - took me three months to read - but I remember he saying something of the sort around the first books, and from there I took like so. I am sure that if I had read the books not thinking of anyone as the main hero, the experience would have been VERY different. If someone has any theory or suggestion as to why Alyosha is put as such, and why some people do not think the narrator really meant it, or something - maybe we should take the narrator as just another character in universe and Alyosha is THEIR hero, but should be ours, or something, I would be interested in reading!

@TheCodeXCantina 11 месяцев назад

Thanks. It’s been so long but I think that statement from the beginning was how characters are positioned at the start. A lot changes as their thoughts and beliefs are challenged through the novel.

@Caladcholg Месяц назад

16:20 as part of Russian history, emperor Paul I (died 1801) famously hid behind some curtains in his chambers in an attempt to escape regicide. He was unsuccessful.

@franva186 2 года назад

Your discussions were very enjoyable! This series of videos helped me a lot to understand the book, so, thanks guys. PD: sorry for the crappy English :P. Not my first language.

@TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад

Your English is great. Thanks so much for joining along in the book! I hope you loved it

@BurqueMD Год назад

I am 100% guilty of the following of reading it because it was on top of so many lists and not seeking out contrary opinions (the Twitter feed). I also tend to read just for the story and don't delve deeply enough into the deeper meaning of the book. You guys did a great job with this and have really given me a lot of food for thought. Thank you for the work you put into this series!

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

Thanks for the kind words!

@attention5638 3 года назад

Finally had the time to sit down and hear the finally haha And to this day, the moral argument is still hotly debated. But then again, "The devil made me do it" is still a used excuse for actions...although, those people are usually clinically insane haha I am going to make a thousand accounts and like this a thousand times, just to have a free audio book of this 🤣 but really, these videos are really great, thanks for making them!

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

You are very kind. I'm glad you could enjoy some of our rambling.

@TheNerdyNarrative 3 года назад

This is my placeholder comment until I finish the book and can come back. I played it on mute in its entirety though 🤘

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

@hobbsmatt 3 года назад

I think Alyosha is redeemed bc he ends up embodying and acting out Father Zosima’s essentially dying wish that Alyosha not hide himself away in the monastery but go out into the world and LIVE the Christian morality, and he ends up being the beacon of hope and love very powerfully in the final scene with Kolya and the boys

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

👍

@ChristyLuisDostoevskyinSpace 3 года назад

AN HOUR YESSSSSS

@ChristyLuisDostoevskyinSpace 3 года назад

But I can't watch yet 😢

@ChristyLuisDostoevskyinSpace 3 года назад

SOON AND VERY SOON

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

You can do it!

@lukeaurand5722 Год назад

What do you think about the theme of illness that runs through the book? I have my own thoughts but I’m curious to hear others

@DustynBryce Год назад

Hey Luke! I haven’t thought of the theme of illness, but kind of thought of all the health issues as being a part of the larger theme of suffering. Like in the face of suffering it provides people a chance to love, resent, redeem themselves, spiral downward, etc. And maybe their life experiences and ideas they hold make them more likely to respond to suffering in a certain way over an other way? Additionally, there’s something about the scientific worldview being limited when dealing with illness, if it isn’t paired with faith and love or something? What are your thoughts? 😊

@lukeaurand5722 Год назад

@@DustynBryce Well I’ve noticed the theme of illness is tied into many of the Dostoyevski books that I’ve read. I think it is part of the theme of suffering but it seems to have this cause effect relationship with certain things in the characters lives. Things that Dostoevsky is possibly trying to highlight. But yes, I like what you said about the opportunistic side of suffering. How these characters react often reveals things to us.

@DustynBryce Год назад

Thanks for the video! As for redemption for Ivan, what do you all think about the relationship between (1) Ivan’s potential for redemption and (2) brief side story of Ivan pushing the peasant into the snow (and then leaving the peasant for dead), and after some time passing Ivan taking the time to help and save the peasant once something shifts in his brain/soul? If I remember correctly, this change in Ivan’s character shifted once he learned that Mr. S justifies killing his father by quoting Ivan’s own belief: “if there is no god, everything is permissible.”

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

That’s one of my favorite scenes!

@nobodythisisstupid4888 11 месяцев назад

The book is great! I started reading it my senior year of highschool and only finished reading it after finishing 5 years of college lol. It makes me feel better seeing you bring up the antisemitism though since I feel like a lot of people overlook that part of the book when discussing it as a whole. Nearly every depiction and mention of Jewish people is negative. This really stuck out to me when Mitya asks Alyosha if its true that Jewish people sacrifice kids during passover, to which Alyosha just says “I don’t know”, and when later the devil brings up some story about Jewish people torturing a child. I think it is something that doesn’t hinder the book a lot since the book isn’t about Jewish people, but the handful of times they are mentioned are really unpleasant to read through.

@Starscreamlive 3 года назад

So at first I thought this would wind up in my top five, but it dropped. It's still an amazing world classic, but I don't know where to place it on my all time top novels list. Is it top 10 for me? I need more time to reflect on it.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

Let it all just sink in...

@raskass2106 2 года назад

I think it’s cool to learn these French phrases he puts in there.

@ChristyLuisDostoevskyinSpace 3 года назад

Yes, Krypto made a great point about Dostoevsky's portrayal of the serfs. I thought he gave Grigory a lot of dignity on the stand.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

He is wise.

@raskass2106 2 года назад

“…with Illyusha,” Alyosha said. -Say that five times really fast😂

@TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад

I can’t say it once 😅

@Rajathon 3 года назад

I thought he was saying a lot with the illegitimate son killed his father. I also wonder if the curtains are a symbol for the veil.

@TheCodeXCantina 3 года назад

Great point!

@davidrees7978 Год назад

Great series on Bros Karamazov, one the greatest novels I ever read! I will read again. Reservations about your (admittedly) personal statements re (1) if good/evil exist, god exists. May I ask what is the basis for this assertion? and (2) judging Dostoevsky’s anti-semitism by modern standards; what position in the novel does this characterisation of Jews hold? Is it a personal belief of the author, or is the author placing his characters in a real contemporary context?

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

Thanks for spending some time listening to the talks! I completely agree it's one of the greatest books and I share the view of returning to it in the future! It's been a while since we recorded these but there are many philosophical writings typically found under Ontological Argument and The Problem of Evil type headings that discuss that angle. You can find writings that either support or attack that claim. I think when we were planning the talks it was hard to know where to start or stop with what statements to discuss! Sorry if anything wasn't discussed well! There are scholarly articles that better discuss your second question. I'm not a biographer myself but I found them quite interesting to consider. Again, you'll find both sides presented. Best of luck! Cheers and thanks again!

@davidrees7978 Год назад

This maybe isn’t the place for this discussion but (1) the Epicurean paradox starts with the assumption of god & attempts to deduce gods nature; proving gods existence by empirical observation is very different; (2) having recently read Arendt on anti-Semitism and its place in 19C society & economy, a/s was common and acceptable among many in that period, which was of course pre-holocaust; not to excuse it.

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

@@davidrees7978 Banality of Evil? Great read.

@davidrees7978 Год назад

@@TheCodeXCantina No, I read Origins of Totalitarianism for a/s.

@TheCodeXCantina Год назад

@@davidrees7978 I haven’t read that. I’ll have to check it out. Cheers

@Tolstoy111 2 года назад

Just a month after Dostoevsky died, the forward thinking Tsar Alexander II was assassinated by a radical cell, his son Alexander III cracked down further which further induced the vicious circle that eventually burst in 1917.

@TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад

Rough times!

@raskass2106 2 года назад

Je pense, donc je suis,

@slc3521 2 года назад

I loved this but my God I nearly broke my phone trying not to hear any spoilers about Crime and Punishment. I mean, spoiling The Karate Kid is one thing, but ... how dare you. This is why I can't listen to book reviews 🤦🏼‍♀️

@TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад

I know what line you're thinking of, and it may not mean what you think it means. I specifically phrased that in a way that was abstract and doesn't explain the ending. You will enjoy CP just fine. I hope your phone is okay.