the brownskin vs darkskin debate on tiktok 

@JustA noob that’s the world. Even here in the uk. And in my home at Nigeria too

@@no-one00 Exactly. That’s colonization. The world was colonized. Scientists across the world were encouraged to spread false propaganda that backs these current beliefs. Sick.

Colorism is a worldwide issue in Arab, Indian, Asian, Hispanic cultures. It's definitely not just an American or black thing. Skin bleaching is done around the world

“You must prove your worth by comparing your natural self to this unnatural thing” SOCIETY!

@JustA noob colorism is in every country with poc. stop trying to reduce everything to just an american problem so you don’t have to acknowledge it.

I feel this as a biracial girl who isn’t lightskin. some people don’t believe I’m even half white. I have no clue where to fit tbh sigh

I rlly hate the fact that in the black community we have to kinda "pick or choose" our skin shade whenever i am around black people and those convos come up and people are always trying to tell the other where they belong so i always say "we are all black at the end of the day and we shouldn't have to put ourselves in those categories!"

@@sasha44486 GOD THIS^^^ like can we stop looking at the world through white people's eyes???

RIGHTTTTT

I know I’m not even brownskin but LOL my friend goes through that too 🤦🏾‍♀️

Beyoncé ain’t brown skin she’s a fucking Redbone creole. We are part white and part Indian🙄 It’s just white people trying to re-design everything based on what they were about to do Brown skin are dark skin people You’re either dark or light If you’re not light-skinned? 👉🏽your dark

Beyonce wasn't that light skinned back with the original destiny's child she was lighter than the rest but you knew she was black.

@@MooBerry2009 Hmmmm....🕵🏽‍♂️ I wouldn’t be skeptical but I’ve seen pictures of Serena Williams lately. These people are losing their goddamn minds

im not under 25 but ive had this term since i was little...im actually confused other bw havent. i guess its because im from the uk?

@Ms.C I’m CIA myself You’re fucking laughable bro

Same. It was never a negative thing. I was called that my entire life.

Yea. This is werid I’ve never heard it being used offensively

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No same, and in the south "brown" skin girls get called red, at least where i from.

I learned lightskin and darkskin just last year- and im 16. Im so glad resources like these that make it easy to learn are starting to pop up more frequently. im honestly embarrassed I had no idea what the world was like for people outside of my own bubble for so many years. its important for people to hear and see things from other lenses.

This comment right here 👊🏾

If she was Asian she would be considered dark , so Its all relative

@@nesadcruz7840 smh. Clearly you didn’t read. She’s not Asian. This conversation has nothing to do with Asians.

@@CherryChia23colour is neutral and Asians have always identified as Yellow to Brown. It gets confusing when others give it a different definition.

Right. Beyonce is light

Wouldn't be if we all decided to stop the ignorance that divides us.Very unlikely when dignity is for sale.

@@barbararichardson2747 true

Yesss. I’m glad we are talking about colorism though. And this skin tone versus another. All that

It wouldn't happen if white people would stop thinking it's okay to use racist stereotypes against mixed people with black ancestry smh

@A. G. what…

I always knew the term was out there, but I never identified myself as brown skin. I always say I’m dark skin. I think I’m dark skin, but some people say I’m not, so it’s a slippery slope. Both of my parents are fully Black, so I’m Black regardless 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

I thought about it but never heard others talk about it. By "it" I mean the fact that we're literally brown as opposed to black. All of us, except really light black people. I thought of it because people of other races that aren't white (Indian, Hispanic people in Latin America that are mixed with the indigenous people) call themselves brown but we can't? It's weird and all part of the plan of division in lieu of unity I suppose.

Honestly most toxic trends nowadays come from TikTok 😒

I never noticed until my friend pointed it out to me a couple years ago. Excluding lightskinned people who have paler skin tones, I just assumed every black person had the same skin tone, so I thought I had the same skin colour as the other black people around me who were darkskin or also brown skin. I seriously couldn’t tell the difference till I was like 13

!! Literally commented this. My middle school was predominantly black though!

same

This tik tok generation is just whew-people need to raise their kids

In all honesty, Tik Tok has divided us even more.

THIS.

POINT. BLANK. PERIODT. If people had a way to measure melanin levels in different skins, they would absolutely use that to separate themselves and the black community even more. It bothers me because all of this light vs brown vs dark is not too far fetched from the whole brown paper bag test. What's the point???

If everyone with melanin is beautiful then none of them are beautiful. There has to be a standard. Sorry to break it to you bud.

@@katherinemariv8856 you make no sense. Everyone can be beautiful. There doesn't have to be a standard.

@@thedestroyer9024 there will always be standard. A hierarchy is inevitable within every society. If everyone is beautiful, then beauty losses it’s meaning.

100%

i agree. why cant we just celebrate all of the beautiful shades in the black community?

Get therapy and love it self

@Kate GIbs This/My comment isn't for people like you who simple choose that label because it best fits them and their levels of privilege. It was more directed towards those who fight and belittle dark-skinned people for calling them dark-skinned if that makes any sense. As long as it isn't taken as an insult or an attack to be called dark-skinned to you, I have no problem with it

Dark skin was seen as beautiful to me The pretty girls were the ones w long hair talk and slim and grey or green eyes whether they were light medium or dark

I totally agre

right 🤦🏾‍♀️ 😂

No because some people are delusional

Well said girl

How about not caring about skin colour at all? Culture is literally the only thing i notice. When a black person talks perfect swedish my brain doesnt even notice their skin colour. But maybe thats just me not being racist.

I can't stand TikTok. We are BLACK, whatever shade we are. We love our lightskin folx, we love our darkskin folx, and we love our brownskin folx all the same! Nobody can control our narrative of self-expression and love: No white person, nor Asian, nor brown. Our community the black community is still in bondage by the non-black train of thought. We must free ourselves because no one else can! ❤

Megan Thee Stallion is light skinned. Lizzo is light skinned, Normani is dark skinned. Naomi is dark skinned.

Even in the US... it’s regional. Jill Scott for example is considered light-skin in Philly where she’s from, but in the midwest and Cali, she’d be brown-skin.

@@niax6920 it’s not regional I’m from ny and she’s brown skinned

@@MickeyAndMore Yeah, she’s brownskin to me too, I don’t get it 🤷🏽‍♀️

🇬🇲❤️!

Black Americans are 25 percent European. We're a bit lighter than Africans overall.

These days I'm hearing people call Beyonce brown skin, which she definitely isn't 🤔

I think I'm brown skinned but some ppl think I'm light skinned. I guess it depends on who's judging. Back in the day i would be considered light skinned by "brown paper bag judgement"

one person i can say looks brown skinned sometimes is Aaliyah. but Beyoncè to me is light skinned.

@@DefineMorena Sometimes Beyoncé darkens her skin so I can see why people would call her brown but no, she’s definitely naturally light.

Exactly

Exactly I always considered myself darkskin. I think it's ridiculous to put me in the brown skin category because I would have to be a little bit lighter to be in that category. I don't understand how people see Megan as brown-skinned instead of dark skinned.

wow this wild

This has nothing to do with Asian people. Brown is just a fictional race. Brown skin is a term used in the black community.

@@MickeyAndMore Brown is also used among Asians (Indians, Filipinos, Cambodians, and more). I also didn't know that until a few years ago.

@@MickeyAndMore were you dropped on the head when you were a baby?

@@MickeyAndMore Brown skin is a term also used by Asians and has been used by Asians for a long time. You can't erase that to fit your narrative. And it's not a race. It's literally the colour of our skin.

Colorism in general or it’s relation to Tik too because there are loads of videos here in RU-vid where colorism in covered

I’m in my mid-twenties and I thought this was a universal thing as well. I grew up in predominantly white spaces and was still connected in Black spaces so I learned very quickly. Even some white kids knew the terminologies based on what they were exposed to. I think the Tik Tok generation needs to take a back seat at times . They create dissertations like they just discovered something new. Like at the end of the day, there are Black people who have a light skinned complexion, brown complexion or deeper/dark complexion. And we’re all Black.

it’s interesting bc I also grew up in white spaces and never heard of “brownskin” until I moved to Texas a few years ago. but my understanding of the color spectrum and colorism still differs from her’s greatly. I made a similar video and would love to know what you think!

We use it in the UK because of the Caribbean influences. It’s always been a phrase in the Caribbean.

@@athenar4186 makes sense! a lot of our slang is also influenced by patois

What do you personally identify as?

@@objectoriented3049 I I identify as dark skin

But We do actually, I’m thinking it’s Gen Z that doesn’t 🤔 because in America we’ve always had the distinction. While brown skin is often left out of the conversation , it definitely isn’t a new coined term. So I’m surprised by that notion. Nia long, Regina hall, Megan Good in the 90s,Kyla Pratt were all Brown skin women/girls I identified with.

This term has been around for a long time in the black community. It wasn’t just “created”.

@@MickeyAndMore I realize that however it just most recently regained popularity

@@ep1csw4g But it's been widely used in Black communities throughout the diaspora for decades. I'm in my mid 40s and I grew up hearing it. It seems that a number of mostly younger people are just "discovering" it so they think it's new or uncommon.

Yeah I completely hear you. I think as millennials we really need to keep in mind, that a lot of these toxic tik tok debates are amoung generation-z. Hearing her say she never heard the term brown skin, was more shocking than the debate itself.

Brown skin category is new to black culture

@@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty No it is not. I hope you're either joking or trolling with that comment.

You were not left out of any category. You were lumped in with the 'team dark skinned'. Because people wanted to be able to further divide an already divided community. Black vs white, then light-skinned vs dark skinned, then brown vs black. Next, it will be moonlight vs dark or dark vs true black. It just never ends.

Featurism is more problematic than colorism.

@@ralindahs256 Factsssss

Here’s how it goes, they use light skin black women to represent black women in the media(although it seems light skin black Women have been replaced by biracial women). They use dark skin and brown skin men to represent black men and then brown skin and dark skin women are just excluded.

@@kilimanjaro5537 Darkskin black women are not nearly excluded to the extent that brownskin black women are. On any clothing website I go to, I can find at least one darkskin female model-- even on the websites of designer brands. There's also darkskin female representation on big media (ex. Joy Reid, anchor on MSNBC). On most clothing websites I visit, there is not a single brown skin female black model. I will concede that on big media you can find brown skin black female representation (ex. Zerlina Maxwell, political analyst on MSNBC; Juanita Tolliver, also a political analyst on MSNBC. [Idk if she's monoracial black though. She might be biracial.]) But, as I previously said in this paragraph, when it comes to representation in clothing brands, brown skin black women might as well be invisible. It's only light skin mixed black women, or monoracial dark skin black women. I'm happy that darker black women are finally getting the representation they deserve, but I feel that brownskin black women have been sorely overlooked in the process for the sole reason we didn't bear the absolute worst of racism and colorism since we're not as dark as dark goes. (And I don't even know if I agree with the notion that we didn't bear the brunt as much, because as Amanda said, any privilege we have over dark skin women is negligible, especially if we don't have Eurocentric features.) Not light enough to be represented, not dark enough to have had the worst of it (which is arguable, as I just pointed out), so we're just almost completely ignored.

@@chrissiec2123 same thing sista !!! I am a brown caramel shade with a lil honey 🍯 mixed in with a glowly look ..: I get put in dark and light categories in the black community... I have been bullied by light skinned and dark skinned women so I really don’t know where the hell I fit in lol 😂... s

we are all black at the end of the day, but that distinction is important if it’s being used productively. light skin Black people still benefit from colorism and i’ve been noticing that most people are distancing themselves from labels such as light skin, dark skin, brown skin etc. as a way to distance themselves from issues such as colorism, racism, and featurism in our world and the Black community more specifically

Exactly, we are all Black regardless, but I do think the topic (to extent) is necessary as long as people are using it for knowledgeable purposes than ignorance... So far most (that I’ve heard) are using this debate for ignorance and more division with Black folks🤦🏾‍♂️💯

You look lighter skin if that's you in your pfp

@@missfefeloves same thing I was gonna say

@@missfefeloves Passive aggressive much? 😬😐

ohh..cos i see it alot online i didn't get it..

as a 1st gen south asian, i honestly have to disagree. many of us are proud of our ethnic backgrounds and will make sure that our peers who are close to us know what we are, but we identify as brown bc there's a common experience among those of us with south asian heritage who grew up in the west. for instance, any kid who grew up in the early 2000's would've been subjected to terrorist jokes, regardless of if they're indian, pakistani, bangladeshi, sri lankan etc. also, most community enclaves would have more than just one ethnicity of south asian in the vicinity. so imo, not all 1st gens who identify as brown/desi are doing it out of trying to distance themselves from their parent's country of origin, though i can see that being true for some.

As South Asian Pakistani, we just say brown. This encompasses all brown backgrounds. Not avoiding saying anything, just so mixed with very relatable backgrounds

What? "Brown" is just a way to say that you're Desi or South Asian. No one is denying their heritage using it lol.

Brown and brown skin are two different terms with different context and meanings. Brown skin is a term used in the black community. Brown is just a fictional race.

YES!

You are 100% correct with your classifications

Yesss

I agree with most of your examples, although I would put Brandy in the "dark-skinned" category. For me, being brown-skinned and dark are not mutually exclusive. Most brown-skinned people are of a darker complexion. Even though Gabrielle Union, Nia Long, Tatyana Ali, Michelle Obama & Whitney Houston are not as dark as Lauryn Hill, Lupita Nyong'o or Gabby Sidibe, I would still label all the females I mentioned as dark-skinned.

I've seen plenty of brown skinned chocolate people

@@molierresignoga What?

Most definitely. I’ve always seen the categoria of brown skin as “the easy on the eye black person” as we live in this world where “the closer to whiteness, the better”

Bro, what?

@@blackfoot8975 say two ppl are in a room. By the rules of colorism, if both a brownskin and darkskin girls are there, there is a higher chance of the brown skin girl somewhat benefiting from it

Exactly. It depends on the person's experience. What is so deeply troubling about the use of this framing is that (black) people now seem to look at another black person's skin complexion and assume they know their experience. Even if they don't know their name!!! It's really intensifying, it seems.

Brown because only brown skinned people can go from somewhat light to really dark

So much negative energy generated and directed toward one another. To what end? For what purpose? When the girl in the video said that she's not "bullying brown skins" enough, it just showed how low this has gotten. Disgusting all around.

@Mia Pratt thank you. Calling brown skin black women dark skin feels like y’all trying to get rid of actual dark skin women. It’s erasure, that I will not be partaking in. You already have people in the comments calling light skin people, brown skin 🥴. So if I’m dark skin then what is lupita N’yongo? The darkest black Women they put in tv most times are brown skin women and that says a lot. People don’t even know what dark skin is apparently because they think Meg thee stallion is dark skin 🥴. Just feels like another way to try to get rid of dark skin women. Y’all are more comfortable with brown skin women(and yes we still face colorism), that’s why y’all want us to claim ourselves as dark skin so that y’all don’t have to hire actual dark skin women. I peep game.

A lot of dark skinned women like to call brown skinned black women dark skinned on purpose to make them mad or upset 😢

Thank you, two dark skin parents can have a brown skin child, I'm just over this skin tone privilege, y'all privilege

and a white parent and a black parent can have a darkskin child,

Best comment. This is Childish discussions. None of it matters. Just pitiful.

Both are not darkskin , milk chocolate and dark chocolate are different shades. Its a difference experience

@@theeladyj I meant both are dark skin in terms of total human complexions. Like, people of Indian descent will often times get criticized for being dark when their complexion would be considered brown skin in the Black community.

@@theeladyj yes it is I am dark-skinned. If I was brown-skinned I would be a little bit lighter than what I am.

It depends on what you're definition of brown skin is as well. Like with me I consider myself and people darker than me darkskin. I would consider Megan dark-skinned not brown skin. You don't have to be dark is Lupita to be darkskin. Now someone same color as Rachel True, Ashanti, or Tatyana Ali would be brown skin.

@@purplelove010 I would not consider meghan the stallion darkskin at all , i honestly do not think she would have this much promotion if she was. Ashanti and Tatiana Ali and meghan are the same complexion?? now rachel true is more light brown

Wow. Never heard of that one.

yes!

No, Whitney Houston was nowhere near light skin, any way you cut it.

I need to delete social media because as a dark skinned people I already get enough hate😔🥺

“Now” this has ALWAYS been a debate. I remember being the “I’m not dark skin, I’m brown skin” girl in middle school!

@@Sshazex I thought it was light skin vs dark skin never heard of the brown skin vs dark skin debate until now

@d. Max I think it really depends on your surroundings because I've always identified as brown skin because I'm apparently too light to be dark skin, but not light enough to be categorized as light skin. If we go off of the examples shown in the video, I'm probably closest to Nicki's complexion- which is very far off from what was shown to be dark skin. I've never used the label to detract from my highly melanated complexion; in my case it has almost always been the opposite. I fall on the outskirts of what was considered to be light skin in my area, so have always labeled myself as brown skin. However, when my understanding of just how wide the spectrum of complexions is in the black community, I began to consider myself as a dark skin woman. It was actually other dark skin people telling me that I was indeed not dark skin but brown skin, that I fully adopted the label. I feel like what is considered dark and light is fully based on your surroundings (at least in regards to one race at a time because the color spectrum will vary). What is considered dark to someone at a PWI who is used to seeing only light skin/mixed kids will be completely different than what is considered dark to someone who is surrounded by a variety of different complexioned black people. That's likely why you've gotten mixed responses from others about what exactly you are.

The comment I was looking for

I completely agree.

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Exactly... Very distasteful. This could have been used as an educational topic, but went over some people’s heads💯

!!!!!

I see you everywhere 👀

Is this a thing discussed within the black community? Bc I’m hispanic and I totally see her as a sex goddess and rly feminine and badass. That sounds wack tho. Also when I used to be a cashier this old Mexican man was buying a magazine with meg on it and was smiling the whole time 😂

This just shows how relative all of this is: to me, Meghan is dark-skinned. There are very few people to me that are in this middle spot of "brown-skinned". H.E.R, Solange, and yara Shahidi are. Idk it's all so fluid and relative.

@@nicolegoose567 yep, it's discussed a lot. a lot of us love meg, but a lot of ppl (ESP black men) hate and demonize her for the reasons in the original comment, not even bc they dislike her music. tee noir made a rly good video explaining how this manifested when meg was shot.

She's protected, graced and highly favored.

@@Borahborah9139 I think you've misunderstood what brownskinned looks like. Most of the people you mentioned are actually lightskinned. Yara is definitely light, so is Solange. Brownskinned is more like Jennifer Hudson, Mary J Blige, Keke Palmer, etc.

Please I never realized how not normal it was that I was like 12 and looking up how not to tan I had not even witnessed or experienced colorism at that point I just grew up around white people who would pick on me for being black it’s so sad and it shouldn’t be normalized

Wow, this is sad. Imagine the Black kids on Tik Tok right now. I went through a phase too when I knew my skin color was not “desirable” (this phase happened in elementary and middle school), but for some reason I never wanted to change my skin complexion or tan less. I love being Black and it took me until high school to realized that those people were either racist or colorist at the time. High school was a roller coaster too, but definitely a “decent experience” LoL😂‼️

I'm filipino and as a kid i love swimming in summer/vecation just like any other kids , but after every time i go swimming i ask my mom to buy me whitening lotions because i don't want to get darker ,here in philippines some people think lighter skin is beautiful as a kid i believed that but now i don't want to stay indoor so much cuz i will look like a white radish or a raw peeled potato , just want to say you shouldn't believed negative opinion about beauty standards, your beautiful with than skin that hair and that size. Love ya'll

Same thing goes in the lives of almost every brown Asian Ps a Pakistani over here

For real though... there are so many younger kids on TikTok that can be negatively influenced by what they see, including this ‘trend.’

This!!!

same!

Literally we are all brown just shades lol

And get this: *no one is one color.* We have many undertones(or tones in general), hues, shades etc. Otherwise you’d prolly look like a cartoon character. Why y’all think when people are painting a realistic portrait they use multiple paint colors for a person🕺🏽

exactly me too I don't understand the labeling brown skin

Yes I does smmm

Featurism is not real

@@lightskinguilt5622 Featurism is ABSOLUTELY a thing. In fact, (for example) many Asian cultures THRIVE on featurism (as well as colorism). I’ve heard old East Asian women saying they wish their grandchildren will have a high nose bridge, light hair, and big eyes (even if none of these features are present in the parents or grandparents). It’s also why even if you DO have light skin, there’s still this pressure to confirm to Eurocentric beauty standards

@@lightskinguilt5622 this is a concept that has been discussed and studied. A singular person stating otherwise doesn't make that fact go away

@@lightskinguilt5622 one look at your channel is all I needed to not take this comment seriously

yes like my skin was literally bleached when i was a baby

This is literally what the black community does we are openly colorist social media is showing only part of this sick colorism shit

@@pravneeet4873 I hope you're doing well that's messed up

I agree. I've noticed that when white men say they like (i.e. fetishize) Asian women, they're always referring to fair skinned Asian women. Darker Asian women are also very beautiful. The large brown eyes, dark luscious hair, long thick eyebrows/eyelashes, smooth skin, etc. Colorism is rampant in most POC cultures.

@@cashmereglow7549 I agree dark skin women are very beautiful

Hiii Keisha, how are you doing today?

You are either good looking or you are not. Skin colour doesn't come into it. You are either talented or you are not, you are either intelligent or you are not. Skin colour doesnt doesn't determine these things.

Hey💝😀

@@LaraUAE so what are u saying? Just say 2 great looking women, 1 dark skinned and 1 light skinned are going for the same role or job, do u believe the light skinned woman will be preferred?

@@TheSpaceman332211 Yes. That's usually how these things work, unless the role is specifically type-casting for darker complexioned women.

The issue comes when Black ppl are comparing themselves to Biracial people. If one parent is white then you are biracial. Light skins have 2 black parents (eg. Beyonce, Taraji p. Henson, Ciara). There is nuance to LS, BS, DS categories. Most of us are in flux between 2 categories depending on the season. We should recognize that DS have the worst of colorism yet also embrace the fluidity of our melanin🥰. 🖤Black is beautiful in every shade🖤

This so true

@@melaninathegreat2822 I don't mean to be rude or anything like that, but I've been noticing some people in these spaces separating "black people" from "biracial people" and I always have to ask why. Y'all separate "black" from "biracials" but then include lightskins with "black", despite the fact that many lightskins (and non-lightskins, for that matter) are functionally biracial or otherwise "mixed" and would be considered so the second they leave the and go to, say, Brazil or DR etc. At the end of the day, I think it's a bit of a pointless distinction to make if we're talking about two fundamentally "different" groups. We gonna say Obama isn't black? He looks more stereotypically "black" then a whole lot of Black people I know; probably lives it too. When we start making these distinctions, we should think about the broader implications of what come with them, I often don't think people do. You start distinguishing between "black" and "biracial", you're gonna find within only a couple of generations that a whole lot of people you currently think are "black" won't think they are, just like it is elsewhere. And I don't know if that's really a good way for us collectively to forward our interests.

@@chillin5703 I have noticed this also and I think the reason, or at least the reason I have heard is that by accepting everyone with even partial black parentage as black it is allowing especially in the media for mixed race people to claim black and dominate black spaces because they are preferred. So while I like Halle berry for example, accepting her as black allowed her to replace an actual full black person in roles that would have gone to them. The reason why people separate LS black people and biracial people is one has another identity they can claim as biracial, someone who just happens to be light skin but has black grandparents and parents doesn't they are black and regardless of how light they are that is what they are. This is just my understanding of why some want to make the distinction.

@@lysabelle3990 why are my replies being deleted?

This is how I perceived it as well

That term has always existed

I thought She was talking about her daughter who has brown skin

She was just talking about the color of skin,which isnt white

@@janay6076 It does apply to her daughter, but in the video for it in *Black is King* there was a range of black skin tones featured.

You're beautiful. I'm sorry this is a thing that you deal with

@@idab6864 Thank you! 🖤🖤🖤🖤 however, I'm doing just fine now.

If thats you in ur pfp.......um ur very gorgeous😍

@@sasha44486 Yes it is me and thank you!!! 🖤🖤🖤🖤

Why do dark skinned people have such perfect skin? And I'm not saying that darkskinned men and women don't struggle with skin issues. I mean anything is possible. Just like it's possible that unicorns exist. But have you seen one though? Exactly.

Yes! At every pint I get, I tell my younger brothers they are adopted. However, I think that I might actually be the adopted one.

I told myself I was adopted 😂

My brother told me I was adopted lol

...no

@@lmaoaims This is me everyday 😔🤦🏽‍♂️

If you’re brown skinned you don’t really deal with many of the issues dark skinned people deal with. Do it’s unfair to claim they’re the same.

@@Gross126 yeah I completely agree. I feel like an imposter if I claim either. But I will say that I do support darker skin women in the fight against colorism.

i thought i was darkskin for so long but I am brownskin because I look brownskin in the winter and darkskin in the summer so I don't try avoiding colourism its just darkskins have it harder than me

@@danielle7127 Understandable. It just that the term brown skin is being over run with people who want to hate and I mean hate being referred to as darkskin or as a way to make themselves basically a centralist in the discussion of colorism. Never really helping the situation and just being there to feel morally superior

@@Ben-my5cl I never saw anyone do that.

Whites for this. With hair color Brunette men with blonde women..blonde men are never with brunettes much..unless they're not white.

There is no Brown skinned bucket. its either dark skinned or light skinned and those people are light skinned.

💯💯❤️‍🩹

Exactly. I'm brownskin with a darkskin sister and the same happened.

@@pr1.8ijmk brownskin people exist, whether you like it or not 🥱

THISSSS and it’s kind of a weird position to be in sometimes.

Yup ive never really faced anyone talking bad about my skin but i don't has lightskin privilege just in the middle

Yeah in terms of colorism.

Facts

yep

Thank you, finally someone said this! Its like when someone talks about race and it gets dismissed bc “were all human” or “ we all bleed the same”. Its also crazy that ppl cant acknowledge their privilege when it comes to feauturism the get defensive almost.

exactly! you can still benefit from colorism and featurism but still deal with racism and ignoring that privilege is ignoring Black people in communities who have to face these issues

@@beckygamez9017 RIGHT! it’s so insane to see😭 and it sucks because a lot of ppl think that featurism doesn’t exist when it literally does😭

@@effpng THABK YOU EXACTLY!!

The first step needs to get rid of the one drop rule and make a standard of what black is. The one drop rule created a lot of texurism and featurism tbh

So much this.. I honestly feel like it's meant to exhaust us, keep us from the real fight. Or we only pick up fights like these bc they're easier (in our minds) to topple than the bigger issues of society that need to be dismantled.

It's really sad. If we put one tenth as much energy into fighting racism and dismantling white supremacy as we did by dividing ourselves into ridiculous and impossible categories, where would we be? During the summer, is one supposed to identify as dark skinned; then jump back into the light skinned bucket during the winter. It's just ridiculous really.

What's even more annoying is people trying to tell you who you're not

Yeah they're divided by according to how attractive they are.. it's phenotypism and behaviorism you don't need all this other language

And skin tone is always a straw man because it's not the skin tone it's the other traits which vary along with the skin tone

ik this is late but I am from the Caribbean and everyone calls people who aren't dark skin, brown skin. It's interesting to see how colour is different in different countries.

I’m half carribean and I also use that term always

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Lmao for some people being white really is like being pureblooded in Harry Potter 🤦‍♀️ smh

Sometimes I honestly worry that people are gonna start selectively breeding themselves and other people to isolate "pure" bloodlines. I wouldn't put it past people. I can imagine cults of entirely gingers like "we have to protect our sacred heritage". I know it's hypothetical but I'm annoyed just thinking about it lol. People are wack.

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Did you ever tell them how you felt? If so did they ever apologize?

@@michellebello5098 Thank u that’s very sweet

@@lizali5588 I never really got to tell them since I don’t talk to them regularly anymore because of college. It’s kind of a harmful part of asian culture, east and south, to compare skin tones.

Is it true that asians in america just love to use the N word for some reason? Like they never got the memmo and from a culture that just embraces it and doesnt care about societal rules.

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Exactly, not sure why this is so "new" to everyone

I find it funny when young people say something isn't new because it's been around your whole 12 years of life lol. Brown skinned category is definitely a new thing in the black community

@@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty is it? When I was younger it wasn’t and I am 28

@@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty I'm 29 and I've heard it my whole life.

@@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty Girl really? The word brown skin is old 👌...

It’s been around forever. The word simp is 100 years old. The internet is just blowing stuff up.

@Ms.C I understand you sista ... when you brown skin you kinda gotta find out here you belong ... one thing I hate in the black community is they always wanna through brown skinned black women in dark or light categories!!! I just see brown skins as brown skin periodt !

Same, my mom is light skinned but always told me I was lucky because I was right in the middle. I'm not dark or light.

@@tommykimon same thing !!! My dad was dark skinned or about the same complexion like kids black and he saw me as light skin when I’m really brown skin lol ... my mom was light skin and she always told me your not that dark anyways so I’m definitely call u brown skin

@Ms.C exactly!!! When a brown skinned black women or brown skin man speaks up on colorism there’s always that one dark skin or light skin calling us out for speaking the truth ... I’m getting tired of it

I'm light BROWN SKIN too.... (darker than light skins, lighter than darker shades of brown) the safest SHADE of blackness. LoL Always thought to myself...... DARK skin blacks get to be; *edgy dangerous and rugged.* LIGHT skin blacks get to be; *pretty and exotic.* And I'm just this SAFE BORING non-exotic, non-edgy, skin color.

We can't use the colonizers ideology. RACE was constructed to separate but Black is always from 2 Black parents or 3+ Black grandparents. It's about majority Black African DNA. That's why you can see the haplotype blocks of those from Black African DNA. White people don't have a hold on what Blackness is. All we know is thy genetically and phenotypically we are connected as people of majority Black African descent. And someone who has a non Black parent doesn't have that which is why they are not Black. They can be Afro-ethnic which means you have at least 1 parent, but non Black men and women can't have Black children.

@@israeliana white people don't have a hold on what blackness is, and you and other black people don't get yo gatekrep blackness. People, especially in america, always want to make rules on who does and does not count as a black person but then make exceptions when it suits you. Beyonce Alicis Keys Obama just name 3. But there are hundreds of exceptions. For the average person, no such exceptions are granted. If you knew how it felt to be mixed and then treated like your blackness doesn't count, you would be more considerate in your approach. No one chose to be mixed or light or brown. Society is harder on dark skinned black people. We know that. It's also hard on mixed people. Not a call for sympathy but the fact is, it is. They have to deal with that, then be told they might as well not even identify as a mixed person and to MAKE SURE that they mention the other part of them even though they are never treated as a white or asian person, ever. Society doesn't work that way. No need to constantly tell mixed people they don't count. You don't decide who is and isn't black. It's not necessary to analyse their parents. We all know what and who we are. We didn't chose it. You don't get to make up rules about what grandparents and parents make you. Then another person has their own rules. So as non 100% black people, so many think they're 100% but aren't, we're supposed to wait for you to validate us. Leave us alone. We didn't claim to be 100%.

It was also economic. The white slave masters needed to keep the money in white hands. So their biracial offspring (conceived in slave barns) could not claim money or inheritance because they were just considered black.

@@israeliana boom

@@missNCW black people better hate keep blackness. Cause every culture is gatekeeping their culture. Biracial blacks mixed with other races are considered biracial not fully of the other race. Black people need to get pn code. Everybody's not black. I'm not talking about multigenerational light skinned blacks like willow smith for example. I'm talking 50%ers