Apparantly, there has been an issue of this video not playing well or going to a black screen? Reply if that happened to you, I might need to check the channel if it's happening to lots of you.
This personally hasn’t happened to me for this specific video, but it should be on the user’s part. It’s a little glitch on RU-vid. I’ve gotten it while watching different content creators. It’s existed for a few months but isn’t too common. TL;DR think it’s more on the user’s end.
I've had this happen quite a few times to me, but not for this video. It's normally a problem on my own end. I click off of the video, refresh, and re-click it again and it works fine. Just some kind of bug, or glitch?
I hate it when some fandoms compare bts past or seventeen to compare them with there favs...there is a difference btn starting and grinding from nothing and succeeding ....
While Pledis had much less than Big 3, they were still a mid-sized company. They definitely came a long way, so groups from Big 3/4 comparisons are silly, but it's still not the same situation as BTS/Big Hit.
FACT. Groups like BTS, Dream catcher, Ateez, Svt had nothing ( although pledis was a mid size compared still they didn't had any privilege and started with little)
@TheTwil1 BTS are definitely not the only group to make unique and diverse music or "their own genre" and I don't see where the problem is when someone brings up groups who also had to work themselves up from the bottom and had nothing at first.
I remember when a Blink said that BTS’ come up wasn’t special because Blackpink’s dorm had roaches too and I was like… so these girls from affluent families were put in roach infested dorms by a wealthy company for what reason exactly? YG didn’t *have* to put them in those conditions because they were cash strapped and struggling to keep the doors open, that was a (really eff’d up) choice they didn’t have to make. And why are we making this the Struggle Olympics as if fans from Big 3 groups, especially prior to the 4th Gen, didn’t use every chance they got to dunk on BTS for being cheap-looking nugu brokies without the financial privileges their faves had? Sat there pointing and laughing at the boys being poor and now want to dress their faves up in it too? Shame is free.
Not to mention, their coming from wealthy families made it easier for them to leave if they wanted to. Their debts would be paid. And they were famous before debuting. YG made sure they are well promoted so they knew that after trainee period they would be fine. BTS however couldn't have that confidence. Especially since they all were asked to leave because BigHit had no money to debut them, yet they pushed BigHit enough that they would look for investors. I don't see any other group single handedly make an empire from an unstable agency (can't say struggling, since BigHit wasn't a small struggling company, but a middle one that was doing ok, but was nowhere near top3 and had a drop in their finances at some point) and even pushed back against them before debut.
I used to think most kpop fans would at least acknowledge that a) BTS came from nothing and really built an empire unlike 99% of kpop acts and b) all kpop acts in 3rd and 4th gen benefit from BTS breaking out globally, but then I went on some kpop spaces and.....a lot of newer kpop fans really think that BTS had it easy and that it was "kpop" that broke out into the west and not BTS. They think the reason you get kpop albums on store shelves is because of kpop and not because BTS's hard work/success and their fans pushing for that to happen. Kpop groups on late night, at Coachella, in western media/articles, albums on shelves, tours in the west.....all of it is ONLY because of BTS. I really don't care if people like them or not, but that fact at least needs to be acknowledged.
I wouldn’t say it’s only bts. I always say 2nd gen got to where they were because of 1st gen 3rd gen got to where they were because of 1st and 2nd and 4th gen is where they’re at because of all the generations before them. So I’d say 2nd gen is what got kpop to the point of almost breaking into the western markets. Bts was that last push that got kpop to global recognition. No matter how hard they worked and how much theyd build up without the generation before them they and the rest of kpop wouldn’t have been able to go as viral as they did. Also There were groups from smaller company’s that got successful (in Korea) even back in 2nd gen and if it wasn’t for those groups even the thought of bts being able to pull out of ig u could say company nugudom would be strange. Every group has worked hard to get kpop to where it is today whether from rich or poor company’s some more then others and I really believe no matter how unknown a group is they’re making at least a small impact. Bts should have the recognition for being the main part of K-pop’s breakthrough I’m not trying to diminish that at all however at the same time there’s a lot more that goes into it.
Bts didn't get any kind of support from the industry. You should acknowledge it. 2nd gen helped their juniors in the company. No one discredits anyone here. Everyone gotta work hard. BTS did it themselves with armys.
I’m from America, and what you just stated blows my mind. Almost everyone I encounter who listens to a hint of music knows who BTS is, while having no idea what K-pop is or what it means. I’ve heard of recent groups doing small U.S. tours, personally I dont know anyone who have attended or listen to any of these groups, Twice Stray Kids etc. Nothing to do with them, I’ve never listen to any of their music. They must have people who want to attend these concerts, although it might in smaller concert halls and venues, I’m sure there’s a niche group within America who are into K-pop due to wide diversity of people and cultures. It blows my mind when I learn how people in Korea view BTS when they’re literally living icons in the States. K-pop must be a cut throat industry, you figured people will chill out since they’re on a hiatus just focus on your own music and growth stop dragging others down to build yourself up.
BTS PAVED THE WAY.FACT! CASE CLOSED (ARMY SINCE 2016 IM 40YEARS OLD SINGLE MOTHER NOT A LOVESTRUCK TEEN SO IM OBJECTIVE) IGNORANCE IS BLISS BUT NOT ALWAYS. YOU MUST GIVE THEM THAT AT LEAST BECAUSE THEY VE EARNED IT , AND IM NOT EVEN IN KPOP GENERALLY, I ONLY LIKED AND STILL LOVE BTS ) GREETINGS FROM GREEK ARMY ❤
It’s so funny because everybody used to hate on bts for coming from a poor company. They used to call us beggars, “bts only writes their songs because they are too poor to afford songwriters”. But now that they are successful, they all want sob stories for their faves even though most of these groups debut with a US distribution deal, overseas mv and photo shoots, Spotify deals and play-listing.
Haters wish there favs were bts....idk why peaple compare who suffered more than who , if its some1 story ,respect it,the weird comparison with fandoms,i find it so strange...period
Every idol has struggled individually in their career and worked hard. Groups that come from big 3 and are groups that were neglected by the company in still have privilege because they get at least brand clothing, good recording studio's, writers, producers, choreographers, dance practice room, etc. while other groups from small, unfinanceable, unknow companies don't get to have that. It's fine if the group is from the big 3, there is nothing wrong having the resources and not struggling like bts past . but comparing their struggles to bts that had nothing its so different.
all groups go through their own set of problems, no doubt. but they have not gone through what bts has gone through. since bts theres been so many changes in the industry as a whole. these newer idols are treated so much better on variety shows because they dont want a repeat of what they did with bts. they treated bts a certain way and thats why they stopped going on shows. they wouldnt dare to cancel any group's performance last minute now. generally, idols are treated with more respect, earlier that was reserved only for the big3 groups. all these newer idols have it better in the west now because bts navigated there 1st without any help from others. the newer group stans need to stfu. if they want their group be bts or surpass bts then they need to be a fandom like army and focus on streaming and buying.
For TXT one. I believe bts/big hit gave them the push that they needed at their debut, BUT that came with a cost that is the huge hate that they received from everyone at the moment and the bandwagon army that had lost interest in them. So they had to build their fandom up 'again' and that was pretty hard on them especially when they were trying to get away from the "bts little privileged brothers" label. I would argue that the whole "privileged" conversation in kpop started because of txt and now the big3 stans and other kpoppies are trying to sell this sob story that's not even real. Being TXT came with it's own set of struggles, and I'm glad they were able to pull through and build their own stable fandom, they deserve all their success.
None of that negates her point that some txt stans try to apply the bts rags to riches story to txt when they never had to suffer in that way, of course they still had their own unique stuggles but this video is about stans believe their favs started from the bottom when they didnt.
@@Tkara8 Hmm but I wasn't trying to negate her point, I'm giving my perspective on txt's rise to fame under big hit. It wasn't a "rag to riches" story but it was pretty damn hard for them.
Everyone has it hard. Whole of k-pop groups go through grinding polishing pushing hard work. The difference Everyone- gets a break through after training days and starts getting the support either small or big(endorsement,rich company back up, famous seniors etc) While BTS- the only support they had after training days were army support. The big support like rich endorsements came way later. The army, boys, and bighit- each supported each other and brought each other up. That's why hybe corporation is rich, BTS are swiping nations and army is called the biggest fandom
@@taesheartwarmingsmile5822 I never said otherwise, I'm talking about txt because they are always discredited and looked down upon as the "privileged idols who didn't have to work for anything"
Every time I see a Blink say Blackpink had it harder than BTS coming up in the industry it always make me laugh and think of this one tweet thread I saw on Twitter of Blinks and Armys arguing because a Blink said BTS didn’t deserve the top position they were in and that Blackpink deserved it more because they struggled more because of YG. Which is hilarious because YG is a major reason they were popular before they debuted. But the best part of the tweet was when the Blink replied back to an Army saying “Blackpink had it soooo much harder then BTS! They were brave unlike your boys. Our girls decided to leave their luxurious lives and live together in a roach infested dorm while struggling to debut. Do you know how strong the girls had to be to do that!?” Like girl literally just talked about how all the girl came from super rich families and then got into one of the richest companies with all kinds of connections and thought that was gonna make Armys go “oh well I guess maybe you guys are right”. That’s like looking at a struggling Artist and saying “you know I really had to struggle to get here at this point in my career as a painter it was hard” “oh we’re you in poverty?” “No I lived in my parents luxury villa in Beverly Hills during the time of struggle but like the traffic was really bad you know!?” 💀I really never laughed harder. It’s almost like when Min Heejins weird self tried to say that Newjeans had no help when debuting. Like coming from the company with BTS didn’t help at all. Or having Hybe money and budget didn’t help at all. Because if Ador company was outside of Hybe I really don’t think Newjeans debut would have been the same. Because let’s face it money plays a big role in this. And Hybes got a lot of it.
blackpink is literally a copypaste of 2ne1 (just a prettier version too but 2ne1 is definitely a lot better than them in terms of musicality lol) they literally wouldnt exist without them and yg aka privilege
@@a.a.stanyoongles308 oh you know what you just reminded me of when YG himself literally described Blackpink in an interview as “a prettier version of 2ne1” and something like “Pretty girls who can rap” I feel like I’d be so upset if that was the only thing my CEO would say about me 😭
So true! Also the last thing about new Jeans i agree!! Like NO TEASER? If they did that in some other company they would never get this popular no matter how good the songs might be they WOULDn’t get popular that fast
@@haileymitchell8165 honestly i feel bad for them blackpink girlies. theyre talented but their potentials are wastes. yg's marketing is just bullshit, locking them up in the basement and not releasing songs for yrs in order to hunger fans. blackpink's discography is so small for a group that debuted in 2016, gidle and skz have larger and better discographies than them but they debuted later. they deserve better honestly.
Blackpink and top position lol, Blinks are so delulu, there is a difference between musicians and influencers,BP needs to write their own music first maybe then we can compare lmao😆😆😆
To say TXT didnt benefit from BTS success is just total bs. Even i anticipated their debut, because of how bighit marketed and promoted their debut. If BTS didnt succeed in with their career, bighit wouldve not even debuted TXT, they wouldve not been able. That doesnt change the fact that TXT gathered the fanbase and their success with the talent they have themselves, and that exactly how its suppost to be. BTS definetly helped them to launch their career, but all the rest, i give credit to the members and Bang PD.
What's more important TXT themselves acknowledged that BTSs journey was way harder than theirs (go watch Suchwita episode with Taehyun and Yeonjun for proofs). And if some Moas denies that fact (luckily there not that many of them)than they are straight up delusional. And I am Moa btw too
@@nicoleloss7987 but thats the case with most trainees, regarless of the company. Trainees arent, and cant be treated like idols, since they arent bringing in any profit. And just like she said, Yeonjun was the only one training at the time BH started recovering, im not sayin TXT had it easy during their training days, but also, to say they had "same beginning" as BTS, is just bs. And what i said in my comment that their debut was pushed forward due to BTSs success, and i stand by that. That is a 100% fact. That doesnt mean they didnt work hard for their debut/career.
@@nicoleloss7987 we didn't forgot it. Every achievement that TXT have all thanks to their own hard work. And army who thinks that every TXTs trophy is BTSs merit are delusional too
Video suggestion? I really wanna see you talk about the "titles" given to k pop idols, because this is literally everywhere. And by titles I mean- King/queen of k pop, golden/silver voice and idk what not 💀
The fact that many k pop fans give such titles like " Best dancer " without any knowledge about that skill and if ask them to explain, They would simply cry by saying " He is the best dancer, stop hating ".
there is definetelyyy difference between being from a nugu company with 0$ and being in jyp, but skz did rise organically. because there is also a difference between "being considered a failed experiment at first to achieving what they have now through their own music" VS "the groups that debut and immedeatly break all records". yes its not exactly what I'd call rags to riches, but organic for sure. It's also funny how some people use "they had a survival show" as an arguement, have you seen that show? 😭 I could film that with 1 dollar. And didnt skz also start steadily growing after one specific popular song? A song made by them, that THEY decided to make the title track. But yes it is different still to companies that were completely unknown. If we are talking about the story more similar to BTS, Mamamoo come to mind. From what I see when stays talk about this, they don't mean it as in about "suffering", but achieving something with their own work.
First haters want same things for their group US domination. Popularity, etc but again they'll say BTS did nothing for kpop, they're overrated, 2nd gen did all like pick a struggle
Great video as always, but I'm just gonna take a moment to shoutout Dreamcathcher, as they're a particular example which come to mind regarding the whole "struggling to the top" thing. Similar to Ateez, their company may have been smart and stable enough to rebrand them as something different, but I think their history speaks for itself. I'm not sure if you know the KTuber "Mera", but she made an excellent video on how Dreamcatcher have basically spent the last 6 years dodging bullet after bullet. Other than that, W video!
Yeah I was also thinking ATEEZ as a group that started from nothing, but as you said KQ was definitely a little more financially stable then big hit was. One thing I can say about KQ, from what I've seen, with money or without, they have always treated ATEEZ like gold.
@@LamiTeddyPlushies 😆 I know all of that I've been atiny since KQ fellaz days. But KQ was more financially stable when Ateez debuted the Big hit was when BTS debuted is what I was agreeing with, that's just a fact. BtS didn't even have the luxury of having their dorms in the same building as their company, they lived in some scary backrooms somewhere, if I'm not mistaken.
@@LamiTeddyPlushies oh ...yikes I'm not gonna lie, I'm one of "those atinys" been following xikers since KQ fellaz 2 🤣 and I absolutely love them, their music is amazing, their chemistry as a group is so good and they hilarious, but, yes I only got into them because of Ateez, and they definitely have it so much easier, that's not up for debate. But xikers know that and have shown their appreciation, many times on many interviews. But Ateez are and forever will be my ult. Anyways atiny, let's keep loving our boys and working hard 💜
@@LamiTeddyPlushies KQ was definitely at least able to handle the kpop industry battles compared to bts in terms of finance and marketing. bts rlly had it rough, seventeen also went to almost a similar situation too. KQ was much better than bighit and pledis and yknow good for them, they were decently stable and the company treats ateez well. good for them honestly.
Ateez is a good example. Of course they don't have anywhere near the same level of success or impact as BTS. But man did they work hard to come to where they are today. Especially in the oversaturated and extremely competitive 4th gen. Watching BTS and ATEEZ grow vs groups from big companies like Stray Kids or TXT is like watching - the difference is day and night. (I've been with BTS since their Boy In Luv era and it just makes me so proud and amazed at their success). Tons of groups from smaller agencies have come and gone, disbanded unfortunately because they couldn't make it big. It's nothing less than a miracle to see BTS and groups like ATEEZ not only make it but also thrive.
@@amruwithluv Ateez and BTS can never be in the same sentence when giving the example about BTS struggle. Ateez company was financially better. They got promoted a lot too internationally even before they debuted unlike BTS so no. Only svt had it difficult like BTS but definitely not Ateez
Agree with everything you said. It's just sad and disgusting. Can kpop and kpop fans just leave bts and army alone? If you hate them and us so much... just ignore us? Don't think about us? Don't talk to us? Don't talk about us? Just focus on what you like. It's as simple as that. Oh but then I forget they are obsessed with bts and army... right 🤐
Nice video! Your voice is so cute! ❤ I hate it when people bring others down to bring themselves up. I don't understand why it's necessary for fandoms at all. But I do think its kinda funny all things considered. Rags to riches in general is a popular story. Wether in literarure or movies, anywhere. It's the desire and hope that you too can make it. Also something people forget, kpop started in 1992 so even as music, its still in baby steps. Most people (globally) first heard of it through Psy's Gangnam style or Wonder girls. I absolutely will not deny that BTS achieved everything all other kpop groups dream of, and were at the forefront of the Hallyu wave and probably the reason for it in the first place. Guys, they bring BILLIONS to Korea each year. They're absolutely respected and deserve that respect, because of them others can thrive globally too. I think that's something all fandoms could and should agree on! (Shawol & Carat here) Just remember, even your faves have hyungs and unnies they respected and possibly made them want to be idols in the first place! Fighting and comparison is so unnecessary tho sadly human nature.
What I love about BTS's success story is that it is a success story of a group and a fandom. Not having opportunities to start with made them or forced them to create their opportunities. Their raw and relatable lyrics (which was not common in K-pop), their talent, and their dedication were the reasons why they were able to create a dedicated fandom that worked overtime to hold hands with BTS and climb to the top. The fandom and the group pulled each other for the group to be the underdog who made history
I'm so glad it's finally said by someone... The newer 4th gen stans just think they are the ultimate fanbase and whatnot but the original struggle is not appreciated when it's not done by their faves... Every single part of Bangtan's journey is filled with bullets, glass shrads that not just they are hurt infinitely but us armies are broken hearted too and we will never forget the disrespect our boys received from the industry... And just as a special mention of being rags to riches and a group I really respect with similar journey like Bangtan is SEVENTEEN... The boys worked really hard to make their way to the top line of big groups... Huge respects for them too... Coming from almost bankrupt companies self producing groups with hardships of their own our boys are second to none of theamerican already main stream singers... 💜❤💜❤💜❤
Trainee periods are ALL hard, sacrificing roads; and mind you, they are still literal kids going through all that. I would like to argue that NOW that Big Hit Ent. is under HYBE their debuts are going to be decent and stunning. For TXT, being a MOA since debut, I saw how Big Hit still reserved themselves from going all out with the stages. It clearly wasn't BTS' low-budget debut, but it wasn't as flashy as people think it was. The boys were clearly nervous, they didn't debut with their minds at ease with their preparations, and on top of that, they had all these nasty pressure from the public to be perfect yet not so perfect. People lost interest and they had to start from scratch. That first year of debut was a mental desperation said by themselves. (A little info 'bout TXT's career so far) Then, as years progressed, the boys weren't supported by the Korean entertainment industry. It's almost their fifth year, and only now they're being given ground-braking opportunities. They are called the 4th gen leaders because MOA and Big Hit know the records these boys been braking since the beginning as a 4th gen group. Numbers don't lie, but Korean media preferred for a long time to give opportunities to other groups (either female or male) and push to the side TXT. Like it was said in the video, it's not a competition between who got a harder start. With all this I've said I'm just emplying there's something bigger behind this when it comes to "building yourself up", because clearly there's a Monopoly in the industry, in general. I agree that no one should compare BTS' debut and struggles to anyone else's, but when it comes to Big Hit groups, so far, they both had and have their underdog era and subestimation from the general public until they didn't. TXT is by all means different from BTS but when it comes to opportunities they've been given the same treatment, and not by Big Hit, by the entertainment industry. And even with that in common, TXT still searches for ways to not do the same moves BTS did when they struggled. The pressure to not be identical is prevalent even then. And it's sad. Ps: loved the video, though, because the topic in it of itself is true. Even if from the Big 3, people want their groups to have a light of what BTS had, instead of supporting just what they truly are. There's nothing bad with being from an affluent company. That's what HYBE is now, and still their groups are nice. There is no need to try to be the next big thing by portraying a sad beginning as a group when it isn't true. Just focusing on enjoying music in good faith is what matters. ❤️
I’m so glad you addressed this. BTS didn’t ask for the crap that was dealt them and for other groups to try the phony sad sob story is so dismissive of BTS especially when these groups were able to receive privileges not available to BTS. These groups fans look stupid saying dumbness while their faves are dripping in “gold” early in their careers like New Jeans, they come in on a cushion built by the blood sweat and tears of BTS. These kids are dripping in luxury and they are still rookies meanwhile BTS in their early years were $14.00 shirts but they did it with dignity. So groups need to stop trying to have sad sob stories and own that they had it good and had doors unlocked and open to them BTS did not have. This has been an issue for me for sometime. Just how I feel that’s all.
"BTS PAVED THE WAY" IS A FACT, DESPITE HOW MUCH ANTIS DENY IT IT WILL REMAIN AS A FACT ( BTW why is it so hard to accept it for you guys even the other idols like twice, GOT7, astro seventeen, monsta x, etc accepted it even the president of south korea )
@@estelleemoon5833 so just like you said, they are made by baby and immature fans. Maybe we should just ignore them. I mean, let's just not give them any attention
@@norainid.2970 So many people with different mindsets, do you think everyone can behave the same? It's not that easy as it is said. Even most of them ignore it, somehow atleast one person would reply back and that turns into a mess.
'selfmade' for Stray Kids doesn't mean that they came from nothing and suffered to rise. It means that they're really doing everything themselves. Bangchan chose the group members himself, they're making their own music, producing, writing lyrics, they're making their own choreography, everything they make is made by Stray Kids themselves. That's why we call Stray Kids a 'selfmade' group. Even tho jyp really didn't support and made effort for the kids too much in the beginning until they become more famous with the song 'God's Menu', nobody can't deny that they were pretty popular on their predebut too. So you're right about that. But I just wanted to clear that Stray Kids being a self-made group doesn't mean any comparison with BTS 🤗
So you can call them "Selfproduced" group. Cause even if JYP don't give them much attention they debuted in one of big3 company, they have their own survival show pre-debute, JYP give them resources to create their music, give them good place for training, producing music and living. JYP was financially stable and with great connections when SKZ debuted
@@patkasmile8133 no, we're going to keep calling them self-made. I agree with other things you said but I have to say that army didn't create the word 'selfmade' and not everything is about bts. Don't misunderstand me, no hate or disrespect to bts. Never. İt's just we're not comparing skz to bts or we never say they came from nothing, they're a jyp group after all. Having little promo or support doesn't change the fact that they are coming from a big company. But we will comfortably keep saying self-made group and this is not about bts. Because even jyp himself didn't even believed kids would make it but they did and debuting from jyp is not their only advantage. Again, I'm saying, there's no hate to bts or army, just explaining
That doesn’t apply to all groups that made it before them and even contributed a lot that brought Kpop to limelight like BigBang, 2NE1, GG, Super Junior, TVXQ, Shinee, EXO, RedVelvet,Twice,BlackPink and many more.
About skZ They got the big3 privilege they got attention but weren't able to maintain it at the very beginning it's sad but it's true I mean I agree they didn't start from the very bottom they did have a push cz of big3 but it won't last forever it's up to u
but they had the money and didnt got shit on by show hosts or other idols. it isnt just abt the fame and all, its also the power and influence. bts literally stopped going to variety shows due to the mistreatment and then created run bts to promote themselves. skz was never treated poorly by the industry bc they have the power and influence of coming from the big3.
@@a.a.stanyoongles308 well I do agree about that they have that privilege they won't get extra fame cz they r from big3 but they certainly would get respect n opportunities
@@Wolfgang_0 when we talk about priviledge we don't say that you get automatically fans with it though? We speak of access, we speak of respect, we speak of ressources etc.
I totally agree with this video. Like coming from a big company is not wrong but comparing them with the groups who worked their asses off to become popular is wrong. Of course all kpop groups work hard, but the ones from big companies have privileges. I have my utter respect to the groups who came from broke companies, like bts , seventeen, ateez and fifty fifty too. I don't know much about others but as a carat I can say about seventeen. Their company went bankrupt at the time of their debut and their debut was delayed for 2 years. And they literally made their own songs, choreography, and even the promotion was done by themselves. They didn't even had earpiece for performance, their company straight up told them to buy it by themselves , so some members just used wired earphones😫. And i also hate when kpop fandoms say that their fav groups are self producing when the members only take part in writing some lyrics, it's a big insult to fully self- producing groups like seventeen. I hope people will stop comparing groups...
It was funny that the group company that sings cupid talking about having to sell a car (which was denied by the group itself) for a few weeks later dispatch revealed that the girls lived in a comfortable apartment in Gangnam, something that not even a Big3 trainee has access to
Maybe a lot of it is language barrier and they don’t truly understand the meaning of under dog, bottom feeders or self made. It’s crazy how anti-fans say Jin is wealthy and all their groups had nothing to eat and lived in poor conditions. They don’t want their favs to be teased on like BTS but they want their favs to have the same success story and dismiss BTS’s breakthrough into the American music market. Then they blame the “toxic ARMY”. All I know is BTS made music history and no one can take that away from them.
I many be sounds rude but no one is even close close to BTS because they literally comes from scratch and now they are On TOP without any privileges👏 If after BTS I'm admire any K-pop group Soo that is MAMAMOO because they also have very hard journey to becoming one of most Popular GG Of 3rd Gen K-pop These girl's works extremely hard and now they all are very well known Celebrities😍🔥
Every time I see a txt stan saying all kinds of things about txt’s beginnings, I think about the fact that during their artist of the year award acceptance speech Jin teased about their juniors making a debut soon If that’s not one of the biggest promos you can get before your debut, I don’t know what is (I’m not saying txt didn’t struggle during their trainee days, but their idol life? they were probably more privileged than a lot of big3 rookie idols, literally before they were even rookies)
@@an_9823 they had a special kind of pressure to succeed as BTS juniors and are contantly compared to them, so yeah these wings there were given are heavy. But being a MOA from the beginning (and also ARMY since half a year earlier in 2018), in no way would I ever compare their struggles to BTS or deny the possibilities they got. And there is no need to. I follow the boys because they are NOT BTS, if BH tried to pulled that one, I'm sure that I wouldn't be a fan.
In my opinion TXT got the same amount of push as any other group that debuts under the big3 ( wich is huge but what 's the point of debuting under a big company that already has a following thanks to older groups if there are no benefits? 😂) and I really didn't understand the hate they received because they were BTS 's little brother. I mean where is that energy when straykids , or babymonster , or nmixx etc debuted ? It's not there wich is great because it shouldn't be there . The only group that received a little bit of hate was actually blackpink because peopel were saying that the agency was trying to replace 2NE1 that 's it.
If they want their fav group to have what BTS have ,then they should work hard, stay humble. We all know that the industry & other K-pop group who are on the top @ that time look down on our 7 boys . I think for them to stay grounded & be true to themselves is what the “ army “ love them the most❤❤❤🫶🫰
A point of contention stems from the logical deduction you can draw from being told your favorite didn't climb their way to the top on their own under-resourced steam. You're basically being told your favs didn't work as hard. It's can come across as offensive. It's not necessarily true, but logically it is true. BTS worked harder than most groups to achieve their success. It was out of necessity though. That doesn't mean other privileged groups wouldn't be capable of working just as hard, simply that they didn't have to so we'll never really know. Fans of other groups don't want to hear that. They don't want to hear that BlackPink had a golden spoon and were guaranteed success and don't have to work hard to make headlines and top the charts. Or that TXT's debut was so highly anticipated and the fanbase built-in that failure was never really a possibility. There are other factors at play that fans will use to equate their group's struggles with BTS'. I've heard fans claim that because YG gives BlackPink so little music, that the group has to work twice as hard as anyone else to stay relevant. That TXT face the struggle to get out of BTS' shadow (I agree with that to an extent). Ultimately, my opinion on whether a group is working hard comes down to if they're making their own music. TXT, Stray Kids, Ateez, G-Idle, Purple Kiss, Mamamoo. Various members in these groups write/produce/compose their own music. Not only is that artistic integrity, but it demonstrates a passion for music that makes me believe they would have worked just as hard as BTS if their groups had truly started from the bottom. Groups that haze no credits or fans claim they're involved but the published credits don't have their name anywhere... those are the groups that are resting on their laurels and wouldn't be nearly as successful if they weren't from a company with lots of money. My litmus test: Q: Does the group write their own music? No. Q: Is that group super successful and highlighting Coachella? Yes. A: Their company paid for their success. Q: Does the group write their own music? Yes. Q: Is that group super successful and on a world wide tour? Yes. A: Their company may have made things easy but the group works their butt off and would've been successful with a small company.
Video animation was amazing. I could feel the pain of the animated hiker falling off. 😂 Video topic was definitely necessary. Everyone has it hard. Whole of k-pop groups go through grinding polishing pushing hard work. (Every field of work has hard work) The difference Others in k-pop(who eventually became popular)- gets a break through after training days and starts getting the support either small or big(endorsement,rich company back up, famous seniors etc) While BTS- the only support they had after training days were army support. The big support like rich endorsements came way later. The army, boys, and bighit- each supported each other and brought each other up. That's why hybe corporation is rich, BTS are swiping nations and army is called the biggest fandom
Thanks for talking about this 💜!! I've noticed that K-pop is very ignorant. k-pop is inspired from Black Hip Hop very much and all they do is Cultural appropriation and not acknowledge the roots and being ignorant !! That's so Awefull Same way these K-pop Stans are taking Inspiration for BTS journey, Success . They take privilege of BTS popularity over the globe.. They take every BTS achievement for granted and also disrespect them .when their fav group achieve some little Award, they start Calling them The best Idol group/ biggest group!! They just seem like the pure definition of Stupid 🤸!!
By the way for everyone who’s mad at this video, music is just music so please remember whenever most of people listen daily to their fave songs they don’t care so peace and you can respect your fave without having a similar to bts story!!
I agree with everything said in this video, and most of these comments, im not blink or anything, but at the same time all of this talk about how "Blackpink had it worse " , Came from BLINKS, not blackpink. What im trying to say is that you cannot hate on Blackpink just because of what their fans say. And that goes for every group.
I honestly don’t wish for any idol to get through what bts got through and get through today in all complexity of it including constant cyber bullying to the point whenever I mention bts there comes an immature imbecile saying “ewww your bts are trash” and it got TOO normalised by the amount of such imbeciles in question. But also I can say some idols do have self made stories still, like Sakura from Le Sserafim who had to go through huge career path that was.. kinda hard on her to get to the point of a safe and secured debut for le sserafim. yunjin also from le sserafim who got rejected so many times she felt like quitting trying to debut but got a call from source music and got to debut after all these tries. And many more. But also… bts right now are the only group to have a stark and obvious contrast between their debut and their huge success we can compare and finally conclude they went from nobodies to household names. The rest of kpop still is kinda in the process of reaching that point because many fresh acts especially from 4th generation have no years of career for us to state like yep their way was hard and unfair in comparison to others. But also… we don’t have to always apply this bts syndrome aka the underdog story in a way bts had to everyone, that is weird in some ways and comes from the ones who are jealous that their faves aren’t bangtan
I think the lack of including svt in these conversations is also a testament to how mature and humble carats are. Like a bunch of kpop fans of groups who are from the big 3 love to talk and almost brag about their struggles when they’re in one of the biggest and most powerful kpop companies in Korea. Whereas svt is arguably one of the only groups that have a somewhat similar “underdog” story to bts, as their company to my knowledge was so poor the members had to buy their own in-war pieces and stuff, and their earlier mvs weren’t as high budget. Despite these clear examples of financial problems I’ve never really seen carats join these types of conversations to brag about svt’s struggles, probably because they know their struggles don’t make them as an artist and don’t really matter. I think other kpop fans could learn from them lol
BTS’s problems weren’t only financial. They were largely bullied and held back and stereotyped against. Made a laughing stock. Also it isn’t a slay to say carats don’t engage in this because guess what, seventeen aren’t as famous as BTS which means there aren’t as many people targeting and hating them, making it seem like carats are less toxic as if they don’t have less than half of the haters to deal with is super unfair. carats don’t have to see the amount of shit armys do so when we clap back it’s not because we’re toxic but because we’ve seen way more shit than you and have reached our limits
@@Sonyeonstan I’m sorry if my comment made u upset, I don’t consider myself an army (I was at one point) but I like to think I respect bts a lot as I listen to their music and respect their success, artistry etc. My comment wasn’t meant to demean bts and army’s struggles, I just thought it was interesting I never really saw carats engage in these types of conversations as I see other fans do. Of course svt isn’t as big as bts so their fans don’t engage in as many fan wars and have to defend them constantly as armies do, I’m also not a carat btw. In terms of the bts syndrome I was really only focusing on the financial part, but I guess I should have thought to broaden the scope to the categories u mentioned. Rereading my comment I can see it was more immature than I thought, as again I only focused on the financial aspects instead of looking at the full picture. Again sorry if my comment offended you, I actually really like ur channel a lot and it upsets me that something I’ve said has angered you because I think ur a great content creator and you were one of my favorite army RU-vidrs when I really used to follow bts.
@@Sonyeonstan also I never meant to say armies are toxic and I’m sorry if my comment somehow conveyed that! What I meant by “other kpop fans” I meant those outside of armies who try to compare their faves to bts without fully understanding their struggles. I actually think it’s sad how often armies and bts get attacked for simply putting out good music, getting good results, and for defending this. Again I’m sorry I wasn’t clear I never meant to convey that I thought armies were toxic, I actually think the opposite but again I should have been clearer!
Seventeen came from rock bottom. Atleast for BTS, Bighit had their backs. For seventeen, the company pledis was not treating them right and all the members had to work hard and perform with basic equipments that they bought themselves taking loans and they did most of their music production and management works as well. Those boys suffered a lot..
This creator bashes other groups especially bp, no hate to bts but this girl is made a huge ass video of against bp with idk dumb points like she literally said that "they way bp moves hands in their dance is against women" bruh this is stupidity to think She only praises bts while downgrading other groups
here’s the thing with skz, no hate to this channel or you bc I actually I liked ur videos! yes stray kids being under jyp makes them have more chances to succeed and become one of the biggest groups of their generation but here’s the thing, stray kids weren’t popular when they debuted unlike itzy,twice,miss a etc. jyp treated the whole skz project as an experiment skz barley got any real promotion up until gods menu and they debuted with 4K sales and 50 streams in 1 year, took nearly 2 years to win a music show award. skz we’re in a crammed small dorm for 4 years during the mixtape era. skz we’re harassed for 3 and a half years straight for being the flop group at jyp the the forgotten group at jyp. skz never received that big 3 privilege like itzy, twice, got7 etc. I haven’t seen a stay compare bts come up to skzs cus u cannot compare it however skz were not famous like groups mentioned when they debuted, 3racha had to go on hip hopple and promote skzs music jyp. once skz came out with gods menu and it blew up internationally that’s when jyp started to take them serious and now we’re here. skz never had the luxury new jeans, aespa, blackpink had. they didn’t have b3p.
I would say they might’ve had many struggles along the way but that doesn’t necessarily negate the big 3 privilege but I will admit it sounds like they got the short end of the stick.
And still, they belong to jyp. It's not about who suffered more, but skz still had the privilege of being a group in big3. On the other hand, the company + the group was unknown
You are literally proving her point, skz absolutely got big 3 privilege. There is no rags to riches story with skz which is what this video is about. Its not just about “struggles” every single group struggles, every group gets hate at some point. That stuff isnt what the BTS syndrome is talking about. Its about acting as if your fav came from the bottom when they really didnt. Just bc skz didnt get the instant fame that other jyp groups did doesnt mean they were disadvantaged.
@@PINKSRATED i used to be a stay and as much as I love them , they were still quite privileged, u see groups like ateez and boyz and mcnd who aren't invited in mama , doesn't get the same fame as groups like TXT and skz and even enhypen who recently debuted , a lot of insanely talented groups never get to blow up or get to perform on award shows and never get nominated for daesang , while i agree that skz aren't as privileged as girl groups like itzy or nmixx but still they weren't from bottom even though they are way very hardworking and passionate
This video gave me war flashbacks to fandom wars on Twitter 🥲 (Even the comment section is stepping into that territory. But I shouldn’t really be surprised)
Actually I do not have any problem with BTS. I absolutely respect them and even enjoy their music. However, their fandom is literally filled with these annoying possessive people. Now obviously I am not calling out the entire fandom, some of them are really nice. I’ve seen some terrific fanfics where they have written about “how Taehyung r*ped me” ?? Also some baby ARMYs go around and comment “BTS paved the way” to literally every single kpop artist which is not BTS. Everytime I open a BTS comment section page, it is full of these cringy comments “Yoongi marry me” “I am __ wife”. Also again a reminder, some of the ARMYs are really really nice.
Ya, la verdad que ese tipo de gente deja mal al fandom siempre. Y en el fandom hay personas que son geniales, pero hay gente de fuera que piensa que todos somos como el tipo de personas que tú has mencionado porque siempre se hacen notar más. Aunque personas así hay en todos los fandoms no solo en este...
If people are saying that txt is not privileged because of BTS, then that's a lie. Txt was the first group to debut under bighit after BTS and so many were looking forward for it. And the fact that their fandom is mostly ex-armys or armys show BTS influence. 2019 was the year boy with luv blew up. So BTS became more popular after that song. Also now txt are invited to attend to international festivals and award shows after BTS announced their break till 2025. So nothing is a coincidence. I'm not saying that they're untalented but if not for BTS, they wouldn't have get this much of attention and fame
i don't like how y'all are suddenly convinced that stays saying skz is self made had something to do with their company. Chan trained for years, picked the members himself, choose the name, made the logo, produced their entire discography along with changbin and han from the very beginning until now, came up with concepts, lyrics and basically everything by themselves. Jyp only invested in them and tried to promote them, even though they weren't even interested in doing that at the beginning, because they almost brought no profit. Y'all just really love to twist our words, no stay ever said jyp was a nugu ass company and skz built it with their own hands😭. but i'm sure that skz success has almost nothing to do with jyp!!! They are the ones who come up with everything. Everytime they release something, it's always a product that comes from them as individuals and as a group, something that truly represents them and that doesn't have anything to do with jyp because again, they are not responsible for their discography, concepts or their identity in general. They obviously got financial support and promotions from jyp ( even tho it was very little considering how big that company is, which resulted them to only really pay attention to skz in the past 2 years) but their success is at least 95% because of their hardwork and struggles into building their own image and sound, which is something that little to no groups go through since it's always the company that comes up with producers and the entire concept . It's disrespectful to twist our words like that and act like skz did not overrall establish themselves in the industry.
That's the point.. Investment...SK got a survival show for their launch and ik that they weren't big until Back Door,but still they didn't live in absolute darkness with shows mocking them straight up did they and nor got the hate for being better than their peers...And about the discography part,BTS have a similar musical journey as the 3 racha .....But agree to the fact that pulling up a bankrupt company to one of the largest conglomerates indeed makes them one of the biggest acts! And no hate to SK!!I love them too!
This really makes me admire svt and carats as carats never brag about how hard svt worked and are just enjoying the idols without trying to push svt into other fandoms ❤❤❤ this is why i love fandoms that only stay within the fandom and don't go commenting "skz king of kpop" on literally every groups mv and even on a news channel talking about Joe Biden (yep that actually happened-)
You don't know how fast i click the video cause I am scared that the video will be taken down by some immature k-pop stans and i won't be able to watch it imao 😅.
sadly I have to disagree with most of your points in this video. Stray Kids being "selfmade" is a difference because they faced hard circumstances such as Bang Chan never getting to be selected for debut and training for such a long period to him creating his "own" group and producing it. This type of selfmade should be acknowledged too. But ofc, this kind of suffering can't be compared. For TXT, the members often said in the past that they faced many hardships while training. Ofc, nothing of BTS's story can be done again but saying that TXT didn't struggle because BTS made the company popular leaves a bad taste in the mouth, at least for me. Especially since they've been seen as BTS's copies for a long time too, this is not easy too. And we have to acknowledge that. BTS's story is very unique, sentimental and fascinating to follow. I know that because I started stanning BTS I did a lot of research. Even today, after moving on from BTS, I respect BTS for their history. Ateez and Dreamcatcher suffered too. But like you said, it's not a contest. Toxic stans are in every fandom, toxic army's are not better. And most of the comments you brought up were nothing untoxic fandoms would say. I'm sorry for disagreeing so much because I really like your channel but this "syndrome" was ... not it for me. Sorry.
@@soul3642 I understand but in my comment I clearly stated that stays calling Stray Kids "selfmade" is different than the story being told about BTS. And I feel like some people misinterpreted that.
Bro in that way Blackpink are also rag to riches then 😭 If hate, mismanagement, Your personal struggle makes you rag to riches, Then many of us are rag to riches 😭 If not getting selected is rag to riches then 90 percent of the idols are rag to riches Struggle and rag to riches are different stuff, She didn't said SKZ didn't struggle but they aren't rag to riches either Like she said that every idol is self made, Bang Chan is self made too but a group cannot be self made if you have resources and more Exposer that SKZ and TXT did had. It's not a competition, It's kpoppies who have made it a competition and she is speaking against that.
@@binitakhatowal8140 even hobi was rejected by jyp tae was literally a victim of school bullying (not that big but yeah) yoongi had to decide whether to eat lunch or take bus to home with the minimum money if we count these all too then literally no one coming close to bts for this self made olympics lmaoo we don't even count their personal struggles when we call them self made kings but some people are straight up hypocritical and just here for some sob story like bts to pity on their idols
@@soul3642 ikr. Lets be honest all of us have our personal struggle , Struggle cannot be compared But reality is reality Struggle and rag to riches are different.
Kpop stans are ungrateful af. The stans not idols. That is a living fact in the world that bts opened the gate for all the kpop idols. Idk why kpopies are so ungrateful towards them? There is nothing wrong to admit a positive thing. All the kpop idols from each generation admitted this they were always thankful for bts. Now for those people who says "everyone has different success" yeah i know everyone has success we are not talking abt the "success" here bts opened the luck of "kpop". 95% people around the whole world knew abt kpop bc of bts after that they've explore abt others artists of kpop and this is how they've became a fan of each kpop artists and groups. That is the factor here! This is so simple too understand but unfortunately bc of ungrateful, arrogant kpop stan It's a hard thing for them to understand. Bc they thinks its " disrespectful" towards their fav 💀 lol even i have seen People who got into kpop bc of bts but after exploring other groups and artists they've became an bts Anti yeah It's common then they will turn their table by saying "huh bts who?" but goddamn who cares korea was too lucky to have Bts. The band called BTS Are megastars dude. Know the meaning of "megastar"? And It's dumb and senseless to compare a megastar with some random successful famous artists. The world got some huge megastar who are hard to replace for example even in 500 years Michael Jackson, BTS, Cristiano Ronaldo. Only one word can describe them "megastars" you can earn anything while being Against them. Disclaimer : no favouritism, no biased, no Support just saying this with basic Common sense and a factor which people are too silly to understand.
BTS syndrome = Fan narcissism. A few pointers 1. Syndrome is by definition a term of medical signs/symptoms that are correlated with each other and often clinically associated with a particular disease or disorder. Are you saying BTS is a disease to be treated? 🤣🤣 2. This MV sums up the majority of BTS Army fandom's puerile (immaturity). I know you are in your discovery era but whilst To you, as a fan, BTS is brilliant - fair enough. But to diss other groups/fandoms to give yourself an ego "boost" and suggest other labels/fandoms are jealous of the list of traits (syndrome) that make BTS brilliant is laughable. A lot of the bands you mention have better credentials than BTS - vocals; dance; visuals. 3. The new trend is BTS's backstory "rags to riches". The IDOL system is hard for everyone. It was/is a form of modern-day/child slavery. BTS had it easier than many. Probably because it was a small label. 4. The MV openly critiques other bands but refers to the "face of SM" (EXO?). Lol. Enjoy BTS but stop with the "BTS vs ..." mentality. Other Fandoms have now grown weary of it. It is so 2022
Bro wtf you even wrote? You probably didn't understood a single thing she said imao. No one is supporting this new trend, Calling ARMYs immature when other fandoms are running behind the trend, Call is whatever what is said is true! " BTS had it easier " Imao the number groups she have mentioned, They got lot more better opportunities and resources to shine " Other groups are better " When K pop groups started having all the pros imao, No group have, Best dancer, Best singer, Best rapper, Best performer, Best discography, Best music, Best personality together. So when it's common in the industry, why are you criticising BTS only for not reaching your expectations. And yes you don't even know the truth, Just open twitter imao, BTS syndrome exist and Sonyeonstan said to stop it but you cannot take it cause it states BTS and their non privilege life unlike others, You are those people whom she was talking about. And ego? What are you on? Imao. ARMYs are busy with BTS unlike other fandoms, people like you who keep on comparing and bringing them down. Comparison is fine if BTS aren't favored, That's what you mean. Other fandoms want to show a sob story of other groups to make their groups Superior and that's you did here too, Those typical comments that you have also used in your comment " BTS had it easier, other groups are better , Other groups work harder, struggle more " . And without understating the point of the video 1) ARMYs don't compare or open their mouth until and unless you all don't ignore BTS's struggle 2) Other fandoms do this so that their group feels Superior and you can't say otherwise because many k pop stans stan a group if they have a sob story. 3) Struggle and rag to riches are different, I may have much more personal struggle than BTS but BTS were bottom to Top, That's rag to riches. Is it that hard to understand ?
I don't really know the history and backgrounds of other groups but I know BLACKPINK'S. So it really pisses me off when blinks keep saying how blackpink faced the same struggles as bts because obviously they didn't. I remember one blink saying how they were hated a lot and had to work their asses off to acheive their level of fame, and how they struggled as trainees. but these points are stupid as they literally apply to any kpop group...and considering the fact that YG provided everything for blackpink and that they already had a kinda large fandom. im not saying they didnt work hard, but sometimes blinks gotta stop trying to make up those sad background stories.
JYP has even better underdog story than 🐝🍵🍑, from getting rejected by SM Entertainment to creating a music label which rivals it, all while not being conventionally attractive to teenage girls. He's currently richest Idol. King of K-pop. 👑JYP oppar.
@@Sonyeonstan and BTS haven't done or written anything problematic or se*ist in past? 😂 Okey. But hey at least they don't look like a big toe so it's okay. 🤣
Those of y'all who believe that groups from big 3 get success easily and don't have to work hard are just idiots. Okay, they might get success early in their career because of coming from big companies but big companies have so many trainees who have to work really REALLY hard to even make it to the debut line up
did you listen to the video or? I said trainees and idols are usually self made because they reach that point by themselves but when you reach the final line up, you get a lot of stuff handed over, that's group privilege
@@norabeckwith6893 and no one said that BTS is the only one that had hard time bts they proved themselves from being nothing to something that you can't even explain that they have became soo big..their company was literally a garage
