Oh mate you've just brought back memories of my Dad ! GORDON BOWMAN 🙏♥️ He was a survivor on this day ! He told me he was being crushed and couldn't breathe when out of nowhere an older man picked him up and he was passed over people's head to safety ! He died at 84 yrs 4 year's ago and I miss the old bugger massively ! Cheers for this and godbless Dad wherever you are mate ! Miss ya X
FH has covered that one too, and it sounds just as dreadful as this one. I was especially appalled by how the cops dismissed all the people being injured as crazed druggies and didn't want to help them. I am glad you survived and that, if anything, it helped you avoid similar threats later.
@@goodsolonius7305 The concert was general admission. That's why there was the stampede. About two weeks after the tragedy, Cincinnati banned general admission events in the city all together.
As a Bolton fan, thank you for this. It's often overshadowed by Hillsborough, Heysel and the Bradford Fire. I should clarify, I'm not measuring these tragedies against each other, but the Burnden Park disaster is rarely commemorated by those outside of the BWFC community.
Human crush stories are the worst. Horrifying to think of the physics, how a crowd can act as a fluid, at a certain density. I still think of the recent crush in Itaewon, Seoul, last Halloween. All preventable, with proper crowd control. Peace to the victims and their families
@@mwethereld I appreciate that quote in the context of the MiB movie, but it doesn't apply to these crush situations, because it blames the victims. It's not right. They victim-blamed in the Hillsborough disaster, and other events. The responsibility is with event organizers, security guards, city officials... not those who asphyxiate under the pressure of hundreds of bodies. If we analyze how these things occur, it's pretty common that the people in the back have absolutely no idea of what's happening in the front. And everyone in between... is just stuck. There's *no room* to be dumb or panicky. If you've ever been in a very tight crowd situation like this, where you could lift your feet up off the ground and remain upright, you understand what I mean. These things don't happen like an animal stampede. It's generally a gradual increase of density of humans per square meter, until a critical mass is reached, and tragedy strikes
@@tabularasa So yes, they're dumb, panicky animals that were stupid enough to let themselves act like a fluid in a crowd. Serves them right for betraying the solid state of matter. Like just don't push and shove?
As someone who was caught in a crush in the mid 1970's, there is nothing you can do! You can't move away because everyone's wedged against you and around you. You can't scream for help because everyone's screaming. You can't raise your arms to push people away because your arms are pinned in to your sides by bodies crushed against you. I had a small ice chest cooler which was literally pulled out of my grasp never to be seen again. By some miracle the crush finally eased, but I haven't been to another crowded event since.
If that happened to me, I also would never go to a crowded event again. I'm so glad that you escaped without injury (physical), but I'm sure it was traumatizing. Take care. Jean in California
I've been to Mardi Gras on the big day in New Orleans when the crowds were unmanageable. I could not help but go whichever way the crowd went. should something bad have happened, there would surely have been stampede deaths. Never again.
Happened to me too at an outdoor concert on Long Island. I felt the crowd closing in and I quickly pushed my way off to the side, under a fence and out of the crush zone. I thought I was going to faint.
"As it became more crowded in the stands, some people became uncomfortable and decided to leave", and that is what we call having Situational Awareness!
@@richard6440 It's not always obvious fear though. Sometimes you really just feel uneasy, like you need to move but not a total full blown "I NEED TO GTFO" terrified feeling. Either way though you should listen to your gut feeling.
it's hard for ppl to comprehend the immense crushing power of a crowd. i was at Woodstock '99 as a skinny 15 year old and i have vivid memories of being completely powerless to the surging ebb and flow of the crowd. legit thought i was going to die multiple times
I got pinned against a low metal fence at the front of the 2nd stage at Ozzfest '05 in Wheatland, CA. As a big guy, 6'1 and 250 lbs, I was shocked at how helpless I was. Luckily, security was keeping a close eye on everything and handled it like pros. Ever since then, as soon as I'm in a crowd and IT starts to move ME, I get the hell out of there.
It's horrific to think that more than two dozen people died, and a majority of the people in attendance didn't have the faintest clue that people were in mortal danger & dying around them. Somehow I'm not surprised they finished out the game though. Great video as per usual!
Well it was actually the quickest and safest thing to do. It's horrible, but it had to be done. Trying to communicate to 85,000 people, in the days before technology, that the game was cancelled and everyone was to leave, would have led to absolute chaos and misinformation. And probably way more deaths.
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis people were dying, they needed medical attention how is a game more important. It should’ve been ended and all taken to the hospital, instead they layer dying watching a game go on. Horrific
@@Jason-rn4jk The video explained in detail why this decision was made - it wasn't because the game was seen as more important, but that cancelling it, especially without clear mass communication, would lead to far greater chaos and likely more injuries or deaths. Continuing the game was deemed to be the least harmful option.
If only proper action had been taken after this tragedy, other more well known football crushes could have been averted. It's sad that this did not happen, and it's sad that this tragedy is largely forgotten. But credit to Bolton Wanderers do a fantastic job of remembering the victims of this tragedy
When I heard, 'but not none of it was put into law...' I just sighed and said to myself, 'good team management will do the right thing and bad team management will do the cheapest thing.'
In truth, it's unlikely that any of the future disasters would have been averted for many reasons. Mostly the British public's general attitude towards health and safety in the 50s, 60s and 70s was largely negative or, at best neutral. Health and safety, beyond the most basic of safety measures in all things, was considered annoying and over officious by most people. The best example of this was the highly negative public attitude towards using seatbelts in cars. While todays society could be criticised at times for being too litigant, before the 1980s our society probably wasn't litigant enough. Perhaps it was a combination of a hangover of world war two and the dying class system but unless compensation was offered after an accident or disaster, people would rarely seek it or press the powers that be to find anybody liable, so there was little need to provide anything more than the most basic of health and safety regulations.
Elliot, I can recount every minute of the Hillsborough disaster to this day, I moved to Canada in 2000, I was interviewed by a Canadian police officer ( Mountie ) who had studied the Hillsborough disaster as part of his university thesis, this was in the early 2000`s, I made my statement about what I experienced as part of the inquiry as a survivor. He looked at me and told me this is most factual evidence I have ever heard from anyone. I just told him , this is not something you forget. The human mind can retain so many things , but i can tell you exactly what happened that day. I know now that I have post traumatic stress syndrome. I was asked by the PC have you sought any help^, I said no, I still cry everytime anything related to Hillsborough is mentioned. It does mentally affect you in ways you dont know.
It’s true that if we don’t remember history, especially the tragic parts, we can be doomed to repeat them. Sadly crowd crushes can happen so quickly, it can be before people react, so it’s important to be aware so it doesn’t happen to you!
It’s touching to know that it was common practice to “crowd surf” people to safety when they fainted. I’m left wondering why this isn’t still common practice. Still… it must have saved at least a few lives.
10+ years ago when I used to frequent rock concerts, crowd surfing happened a few time while I was in the mosh pit. Sports events are so cleaned up these days (in Sweden) but I believe they too take care of each other if need arise.
It does still happen at gigs but crowd management strategies try to reduce crush so that people don't faint and those most likely to suffer are right at the front.
To be fair, I’ve crowd surfed in a mosh pit (also decades ago lol), which is why I find it thought provoking that it still happens in controlled chaos, but this is the only time I’ve heard about it happening in actual chaos.
moving people when they're been injured can just as easily cause further harm. unless you know how or why they fainted, leaving them might be the better choice.
Excellent as always. I've a fear of crushes, with Hillsborough one of my childhood memories. The Burden Park disaster seems so overshadowed by horrific events since. It was good that Bolton recognised the disaster and a remembrance the dead in 2016.
I also have a fear of crushes, though it was because my grandpa told me about the Victoria Hall disaster when I was a little too young and I've avoided large crowds ever since D:
I live just outside Boston, MA in the US. There are multiple fire regulations in place in the US due to the Cocoanut Grove Fire in 1942 that killed 492 people (still the 2nd worse is the country) and scarred many more for life. The Grove was a popular night club that was overcrowded with very combustible decorations and very few exits. The main one was a revolving door that almost immediately jammed with people trying to escape. Bodies ended up piled up inside it. One result was a new safety law that all revolving doors in the US have to have regular doors on either side of it. There's also still a city ordinance in Boston prohibiting any business being called the Coconut Grove.
I was almost crushed against a metal rail barrier when I attended a red carpet movie premiere and I almost had the breath knocked out of me. I was lucky that security staff noticed and demanded the crowd not to push.
Had a similar experience when I accompanied my daughter to a punk concert for her 18th birthday. I was up front when the main band came on and was crushed up against the railing by the crowd mobbing the stage, I could feel my ribs about to crack! Luckily a bouncer noticed and came over and plucked me out of the mash. Bless him, he saved me a lot of grief.
I worked in event security. Crowd crush is the biggest killer by far at events. But it isn't always too many people. There was another one where someone falling on the stairs on the way out caused many deaths, bottlenecks as people are trying to get out is a huge factor, other have been people trying to push in because they haven't enough entrances and they don't want to miss the start. Some sort of incident people are trying to get away from can be another one. Hillsborough was largely due to the police not understanding which gates led to where and letting people in when that stand was already crowded.
@@craigpridemore7566 you haven't been in a packed crowd, then. Good luck on that one. I've had it take 20 minutes to cross a (decent sized, but hardly staduim sized) room or a big deck.
Crowd crush disaster happend in many place, many country. But people really don't know how dangerous it could. We learn about how to survive from building fire, earthquake, plane crash, car crash...but we don't know how to survive from crowd crush. There should be something, at lest a PSA or documentary to learn how to survive from crowd crush. It could save many lives.
Once you're in the crush there is nothing you can do. The best is to see it starting and stay back. Don't rush to be first out of a big event, avoid being front middle at music events, it there's stairs keep to the side and hold the handrail, stair or corridors with corners keep to the inside. Those people that left that match before it happened probably remembered the history of previous crush events.
One thing I’ve heard is to keep your hands up by your chin, wrists and elbows flush together. That way even if you can’t get out of the crush, there’ll at least be a bit of extra space by your chest and stomach to be able to breathe in a little more
To add to the good advice, above, check out the exits when you enter a venue. People have a tendency in an emergency to leave via the gate that they entered. Moving to another exit may keep you away from a crush.
@@davidcox3076 This was highlighted in The Station fire, hardly anyone used the fire exits, people all headed for the main entrance as that is what they were used to using. These days stewards sports events are told to direct people to specific exits and constantly call to people to get them to follow instructions "Exit this way, this way will be quicker" All stewards at UK sports events do a specified training course and crowd crush is very much part of that. In football grounds the sections are usually segregated so that people can't all head for the same exits.
Like the Farnborough air show disaster of 1952, when a jet disintegrated and the engine ploughed through the watching crowd, the show went on. Mass death was a recent phenomenon from war, and people carried on regardless. Seems heartless now, but the population were used to seeing the dead and dying. On a lighter note, it must have been difficult to concentrate on trains in the signal box on match days.
I used to think that it was lucky that a train hadn't passed the stadium while people were escaping onto the track, however the man in the box probably had all traffic halted.
I happened across this clip by accident. My dad’s brother, Uncle Harold had just been demobbed and attended this match with his friends. He used to mention helping to pass people over his head to the ground in front of the stand at the railway end (called the ‘embankment’ end). My dad hadn’t yet been demobbed so obviously didn’t attend the match.
The closest I have had to one of these experiences was on board a public train in Tokyo on the day someone had taken their own life jumping onto nearby tracks. This was during rush hour in the most densely populated city in the world. I remember getting into the train car and feeling the heat coming off of everyone around me, feeling like I could smell way more than I wanted to of those around me. I thought I was going to lose my lunch, but the saving grace was just above me was an AirCon and I just pointed my head up to it and closed my eyes to try and escape the situation. Fortunately in Japan people are extremely considerate of others and being rowdy or disorderly is a taboo so there was no fear of any danger, but its the closest insight I have to anything like this.
I really like to watch these videos. Not only do I love history, but it brings light to the past hoping it will never repeat itself. RIP to all who lost their lives that day.
If a disaster doesn't produce positive safety changes to prevent similar accidents in the future, ,then those lives lost were truly wasted. Stadiums often have the equivalent of a small city shoved in a big bowl....
Good work on this one. The forgotten football stadium disaster. Sadly it wasn't the first or the last. For some reason when it is football supporters that are involved there a possibility of reluctance to learn the lessons. I say that as someone who felt afraid of being involved in something similar (during the 1980s) at least once.
@@Jabarri74 However I suspect fans don't exactly help themselves at times and are just as ignorant as the authorities hence the issues which are creeping back into the game as older fans die and younger fans who weren't born when the last great tragedy occurred fail to heed the warnings.
I was there. Drove down from University of Dayton with friends. At about 5 pm, it was cold and misting with rain. Concertgoers started to push, while a soundcheck made people try to get out of the elements and into the arena. About that time, ambulances rolled up and paramedics brought out a body, right at my feet. When they rolled that poor soul face down onto the pavement, I knew it was bad. The band was informed after the show, they came out to perform one song as an encode, and it was over. My friends and I weren't aware of the scale of the carnage until on the drive back to Dayton, when we turned on the radio. We all went silent, thankful that we all survived.
As soon as he said more people than expected would show up, tickets were being sold at the gate instead of in advance, and there were only a few turnstiles I knew what was going to happen
Its frustrating how the people at the back are more responsible than the people at the front - who are often even unaware whats going on - and yet the people at the front are the ones who get hurt the most/or die Although its more annoying how people thought/think they're entitled to watch a game/whatever even if they're refused entry for a valid reason.
imagine surviving the war, maybe even a close one, just to die like that; 0,04% for 85k, however those were human lives and I bet authorities knew of the imminent danger but the fear of being overwhelmed, as you said, together with inefficient safety measures made it possible to happen. even to this day, people are crushed like that under special circumstances.
I went to Burnden Park a couple of times towards the end and to think they tried to fit 85k people in that space is crazy!! It really wasn't that large of a stadium, but not only was it not that large there wasn't much space outside of it either it was very much wedged in in the middle of a housing estate(with the railway blocking one of the ends). Interestingly the highest official attendance for a Football match in England outside of London involved Stoke City too....85k at Maine Road(Manchester City's ground)and while I wouldn't have been crazy being part of 85k there being part of 85k at Burnden Park would have been just insane!
I've been watching these videos for some years now and today it was the turn of my own home town to be featured. Relatively little appeared to have been learned from this disaster and it took further crushes at Ibrox and especially Hillsborough for real action to take place. It's not even the only major loss of life here. In 1961 19 people lost their lives in the Top Storey nightclub fire in the town centre. This has been long forgotten and even though I have lived here for over 30 years had never heard of it until relatively recently. The subject of a new Facinating Horror perhaps?
I'm also a lifelong Boltonian.I'd heard of this disaster,but not of this other one you mentioned. I agree,it sounds like a candidate for the "Fascinating Horror" series.
My friend, Malcolm Howe, is from Bolton and the disaster hit the town hard he said. I'm sure he knew a lot of people who attended the game. Or his parents did. Unfortunately the recommendations of the Hughes report weren't implemented.
My friend's father was at the game. Thankfully he was ok but his family didn't know if anything had happened to him, due to a lack of telephones, public telephones of course, where he was. Thanks for telling me the story of that day Malcolm.
When I saw the title I thought of 2 possible things. Crush or vehicle accident. It was the crush. Also I'd imagine they kept the game going for fear of a second crush while everyone was angrily leaving out of one small area.
I remember being told about either this one, or a similar one, after the Hillsborough disaster. In the case of Hillsborough, far to many people arrived to watch the match, and the Police decided that they would be better inside the stadium, instead of outside. The gates were opened, and everyone flooded in. I do not know exactly what happened, as I was not there, having no interest in football whatsoever, but I thought at the time, and still do, that the Police did the right thing, with the information that they had at the time.
I am inclined to agree, although this is an unpopular view. It is said, though, that has the police properly prepared for the event, the pens would not have overcrowded because there was plenty of room in other pens.
I’m sorry but you’re wrong with your comment about far too many arrived” the Hillsborough inquiry found that the disaster was not the fault of ticket-less supporters! The fact is that those supporters who were meant to use the ‘north stand’ couldn't access the designated turnstiles for the north stand because the Police insisted on segregation and therefore the 10,000 spectators of the north stand had to use the Leppings lane turnstiles! This meant twice as many people going through Leppings lane!
I am 1/4” shy of being 5’ tall. I am terrified of being in crowds. Isn’t this the stadium or city where there was another crowd crushing during a concert? That was in the 1980’s, I believe. The fact that this disaster was in the mid-1940’s, and afterwards all sorts of “safety” measures were recommended, and then this same thing happened in the same city in the 1980’s…just speaks volumes to a basic fact; there really is no such thing as crowd “control” once a crowd becomes an unintended entity of its own.
This would be a nightmare come true for me. I am claustrophobic and have only gone to one concert in my life. And the one time I would venture into a building with a large crowd, there was a bomb scare. It turned out to be a false alarm, thank God, but I never went to another concert.
My Grandfather attended this game. He was a life long Stoke City supporter. He drove to the game with thousands of others. When the news came over the radio that there had been a disaster, my Grandmother, my Dad ( who was just 15 yrs old) and other relatives had to wait until he arrived home very late at night, before they knew that he was safe! No cell phones or internet in those days!
I think continuing to play out the game probably saved more lives in the long run. That was a good call, but not making changes into law was not. As a teen, I went to a concert and had a floor seat once, and never did it again. The crush of people swaying back and forth was too scary for me. Great video!
Growing up in Bolton, you'd hear many people complain or talk about the team but no one ever brought up this disaster when in conversation. It was a very hush topic about the club. Its a shame, as its almost like it was an embarrassment to most of the older generation in Bolton. As a local who regulars the burnden park ASDA that now stands on its grounds, the entire front end of the store has the timeline of the bolton wanderers football club and englands team in the world cup. It also displays the disaster but doesn't talk about it.
Have to feel for Stanley Mathews. He would have been well aware his presence contributed to the crowd numbers. How devesting that would have been to live with.
A sad tale. I had just been reading about the largest UK football crowds. The famous 1923 Wembley cup final (The white Horse) officially had 126,047 and also featured Bolton Wanderers. Incidentally, the UK's biggest ever crowd (149,415) was in 1937 the international Scotland vs England at Hampden Park. BTW the top 10 crowds Scotland vs England crowds were all over 133,000. Also of note was the European Cup semi-final 2nd leg match between Celtic & Leeds United in 1970. The crowd was 136,505
No sporting event is important enough to justify such attendance. If I live to be 100, I'll never understand why people want to be in monstrous crowds.
When I was teenager I’ve been in packed crowd in terrace at Maine Road & Old Trafford it’s does not concern me , I’m 62 now I feels sick about high risk of accident etc.
At Hillsborough they had removed the bodies but police said the match should continue. In those days they had a tannoy system and police had radios, perfectly possible to relate to everyone what had happened and organise an orderly clearing of the stadium.
Those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it. If the government had made actual change, instead of weak suggestions, maybe this disaster could’ve spared future victims of future disasters.
Did I hear that right?... dead people were covered in coats, etc. put out of the way and the game continued? God in heaven, it's (almost) unbelievable. And 10k or more extra fans were at the game with just a few turnstyles that worked? Maybe the war and all its horrors just hardened people about death. I never heard this story before. Sad , but well done.
There is now a plaque and memorial on the spot this event took place, in the Asda supermarket now there. The club do a good job in keeping the memory of the event and supporters alive. Its an awful event and one that has been forgotten by many in the sands of time. People forget that the 1923 ( White Horse) final, also involving BWFC , couldve quite easily ended in the same manner. Burnden Park was a great place with a lot of great memories for me and many others, but it was tired, old, and well out of date by the time it closed. BWFC forever
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It happened again in the 1970’s or 80’s at another ground in England when many were crushed to death. That particular ground had the same railing system in place. Maybe someone can recall that incident.
So it was $4000 for that stadium, Jeez. It’s like my grandpa was telling me about how his house was 19000 and they literally gave the realtor $2 to hold it until they could get the money. The house it huge, with fruit trees all over
It seems like this should have taught people a lesson but this is one lesson people never seem to pick up on. I've only ever seen individuals say "There's going to be a massive crowd there, I'm not going." The people that do attend are swept up in the "energy" of such a crowd and of course no matter the tragedy, nobody can be held accountable on an individual basis.
@@housemana Missing the point of what tho? Q)Why does overcrowding at events kill people? A) People are always willing to overcrowd an event until people die. The lesson is not to stop having events, the lesson is to see that the place is PACKED to capacity and back off rather than trying to force your way in or sneak your way in. Those deaths were caused by how people behaved and nothing else.
Incidents of Baseball: Ten Cent Beer Night, Disco Demolition Night Incidents of Association Football: Burnden Park, Estadio Nacional, Ibrox, Heysel, Hillsborough, Kanjuruhan
Quite similar in some ways to the Heysel stadium disaster where the game was still played despite deaths in the ground. With Heysel though, everyone in the ground and across the World knew there were deaths, but the game went on.
Justice for the heysel 39 ,murder not manslaughter, the disgusting red shite even held their trophy parade on the anniversary of the killings last season, rat of a club rats for fans, Everton fc we would rather die with our history than live with theirs u.t.f.t.1878 💙
I was getting crushed at a VanHalen concert and was trying to get back to get some air. No one would move. I made like I was going to barf bigtime and the crowd split like Moses at the Red Sea. True Story 🤮
Yeah, geez! It took way too many similar catastrophies in G. Britan brfore the government and safety authorities did anything meaningful to stop such preventable los of life and injury. Why, I think Mr. F. Horror could probably make a half decent playlist of the ones he's covered on his show! Good work! \m/
I imagine the fact that this occurred shortly after the end of the war had an effect on how the deaths were perceived. The British public were used to seeing high death tolls in their papers -- 33 people may have sounded like barely anything compared to hundreds & thousands lost in battles. It's sad how our brains become accustomed to things that otherwise would seem shocking.
I “love” how America ripped off Rugby and then called it “football” more like run and throw ball. They also ripped off Cricket and called it baseball. O and Apple Pie yea right.
I used to live in Stoke a few years ago. Didn’t enjoy living there for personal reasons, as well as ending up in an area with absolutely terrible bus service availability, but there were some enjoyable things about the area I suppose. Just wouldn’t want to move back 😅
They learnt little.from this horrific accident ,as many more fatalities happened at many more stadiums after,and they will happen again ,yes lots of measures have been taken these days to prevent such tragedies,but there was many lives lost after the burden park incident Money is the mindset of those who own and owned these stadiums not the public's safety
I'd really like someone to do some serious research into why these crush events were so common in the UK but not in the US . I have a hard time believing that 100,000 drunken college football fans in the US are any less volatile and idiotic than their counterparts in the UK. Is it all to do with poorly designed stadiums or is there something else?
