The Canaanite woman a dog? explained by Origen 

Mark being the earliest gospel certainly shows Jesus as far more human than the later gospels with John easily going off at considerable tangent and elevating him to divine status.

I've read priests saying that sincere newly converts are often much more radical and self-righteous in their beliefs than those into born into religion, over-compensating for their own former "faulty" belief system, and reveling in their new sense of moral ascention over those still stuck in the old religion. Specifically about being scholars in a priest school unnerved by a guy that wanted to be a priest and bragged about whiping himself in "piety" about having "carnal thoughts", despite clearly not understanding the spiritual practice they thought that whiping was supposed to be, to those who practise it. He's now a far right politician in my country.

Love one another is a very generic and axiomatic phrase that we would all agree with. However Jesus really preached only to his Jewish people ('I was sent only to help God's lost sheep - the people of Israel). and travelled very little outside Judea. Certainly travelled far less than Paul and the other apostles who actively targeted gentiles. Why a divine being would only preach to Jews is perhaps a good subject for a future video.

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 True that Yeshua stayed within the bounds of the cities of Israel ( whether Hellenized or not ) ... The 70 Weeks Prophecy of Daniel 9 : 24 - 27 determined, or decreed, upon the people of Judah ( The Jews ) had not yet been fulfilled... It was the Jews who were awaiting their Messiah.. He had to go to them first.

The Canaanite woman was just flattering Jesus to get some bread. Don't forget that the entire Bible is made up of Jewish books and I trust none of it because of that.

He was testing the gentile women faith infront of his Jewish disciple The story ends with jesus praising the woman “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” (Mt 15:28 and the same about the roman centurion “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.” (Mt 8:10) That is more than his disciples got in the same chapter “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” (Mt 8:26). Funny thing, Jews would critique the NT makes the non-jews more sympathetic and humble. Do you also get triggered by Jesus calling Peter of Satan (Mt16) or the pharisees of vipers (Mt 23)? Or God calling Jerusalem a prostitute (Jeremiah 16:35) or Israel a harlot (Amos)? I guess you may have a problem in understanding the call to humility.

​@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 The ethnic exclusivism is a problem for the whole Old Testament, too. According to the narrative of the Old Testament, God reveled himself to Adam and his descendants (through Seth's bloodline only), and after Noah died, God revealed himself to only Abraham and his descendants. Supposedly they were meant to preach to everyone else, but they didn't (which God would have known ahead of time). All of it seems a very inefficient and ineffective plan for God to come up with.

Hope not! Only discussing opposing/critical views! Thx for watching.

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 I hope not too, it's a good channel you've got going here. Some constructive criticism though; you say "um" and "er" too much.

@@folksurvival Apologies for that! I did have the habit of saying ums and aahs although I think I've managed to ween myself off that in the more recent videos ;)

Thx for the question Chai. Jesus certainly only preached to his own people and never tried to get Greek or Roman converts. I guess that was no surprise as the Jews did see themselves as the 'chosen people' - and therefore superior to other races. It was Paul that actively sought Non-Jewish converts and changed the entire character of Christianity.

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 Did he change the character of Christianity or just reverse it? Jews endured centuries of pogroms justified by that same Bible.

@@Cat_Woods Good point Cat. Thx for that! The gospels blame the Jewish people for the crucifixion of Christ (unjustly) and the Roman Emperors from Constantine onwards turned on not only pagans but jews also preventing them from proselytising or in fact allowing Christians to become Jews amongst much other legislation designed to make the empire a Christian stronghold. And of course anti-semitism became entirely endemic in Europe due to the stance taken by these early Christian emperors and Christian population alike.

The entire bible is racist. Notice the god of the bible only followed the Israelites and no one else. Everyone else he had the Israelites commit genocide on.

Immense amount of cognitive dissonance in Christians regarding Jews being the 'chosen race' with others just making up the numbers.

Hi Josh, thx for the comment and view. Yes sure that would be interesting to do. Unfortunately Jesus neglected to write anything so the New Testament is over dependent on Paul's thinking and views. In fact the general consensus amongst scholars is that Paul could almost be considered the real founder of Christianity since he actively sought non-jews as converts and made the momentous decision to reject the Mosaic laws (which Jesus never did). Appreciate the interest :)

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 yea thats understandable and i feel like regardless of what Paul the historical figure actually thought in his writings, the interpretations of his work has throughout millenia justified slavery and anti-semitism among others (ironic that Paul, Jesus and the rest of the apostles were Jews) + I found it odd that while Jesus advocates for making heaven on earth a reality, Paul overtly focuses on salvation after death, submission to the state (which irks my democratic confederalist/neozapatist anarchist leanings) and the lack of advocating political change while we are living our lives. Also, would u discuss about other greco-roman critics of Christianity in future videos in addition to celsus btw? I would be more than interested to hear their perspectives if there any surviving work to this day. Also another thing I'm curious about is the divinity of Jesus because ive heard that there are different endings to the gospel of mark or matthew in regarding the ressurection and I heard of an early Jewish Christian sect called the Ebionites who've held an adoptionist view of Jesus as a mortal man chosen by god because his righteousness thus criticizing the view that Jesus was god or any trinitarian view. CONTEXT to my BACKGROUND: I have only just went back to church (2 churches actually- salvation army and pentecostal) this year. I was originally raised catholic but i had problems with catholicism itself (corruption, sex abuse cases, church hypocrisy) and went to become Agnostic/Atheist for a while. This ceased when the mental crisis i experienced last year motivated me to find god or any supernatural being but there aren't that many religions to explore in the place I'm living which is in North QLD of Australia which is more rural + COVID ceased international travel. In formulating the questions above I might sound like a heretic to other Christians but my skeptical conscious tells me not to believing anything without scrutinising everything so who knows if I will stay a Christian for long because I would personally need to investigate EVERY SINGLE CLAIM made by the bible, preachers and everything. I might want to learn Koine Greek or Hebrew coz I would want to read how the bible originally was written and therefore know if anyone has contradicted their own teachings or misread it. Reading a translation from a translation from a translation doesn't satisfy me at all. P.S Sorry if this has become an essay btw, I just wanted to convey my thoughts and those thoughts aren't simple at all, Josh.

@@joshdanao2089 I'm working on more material from Celsus but also Porphyry and Julian the Apostate and really looking forward to making a series of videos on them! Only some of Julian's work and letters survive to the present day unfortunately. All other pagan polemics against Christianity were destroyed. There were a huge number of Christian sects in early times each having a different view on the nature of Jesus - from entirely human to entirely God and the million variations in between. A lot of 'horse trading' in smoke filled rooms led to some sort of compromise and to the decisions made at the council of Nicaea. The gospels have been tampered with and the ending in Mark as you mention is known to have been a later addition for example. I would recommend Prof. Bart Ehrman's various books on this issue. Would love to learn Koine Greek myself. Absolutely wise decision to scrutinise every single claim - there are a huge number of contradictions in the gospels. And of course if Jesus had written his own 'holy book' explaining his philosophy we wouldn't need the gospels or Paul's work at all!!

Thx my friend!

Working on it! Hope you liked the videos

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 keep on it. I believe in you

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@@papasanjay7525 Appreciate that!

@Pedro Cavalcanti after he called her a dog and she begged him enough.

@Pedro Cavalcanti yes but that still dont take away from him calling her a dog and she had to beg on her knees to him enough before he acknowledged her.

@Pedro Cavalcanti you also have to remember the entire bible is about the Israelites. Their so-called history, their God, and their savior. Everyone else they commited genocide against

@Pedro Cavalcanti i do understand the beauty of mythology. The problem is people passing it off as truth when most of it cant be proven and have little to no evidence that the events happened. Most of the stories are immoral some filled with gang rape and incest. The one son that cared enough to check on his father (Noah) got cursed because he saw him passed out drunk and necked. How is that a moral story? Dont check on your sloppy drunk parents and let the drown in their own puke if it comes to it or you may be cursed.

@Pedro Cavalcanti we also have the immoral acts of the Christian god like in Joshua 11:19-20 God harden more people hearts to wage war on Israel so that he can destroy them. how about the story of david????? 2 Samuel 11&12 david became king, got a soldier's wife pregnant, had him sent to the front fighting line and left to be killed. For the taking of the man's wife and having him killed God's punishment was to kill the baby while his buddy david walk away free. How is this a good moral story??? Lots daughters raped him after god set fire to their city. How and where they got enough wine to get him drunk for 2 days is another mystery because they fled the city with what they could carry. That was after he offered his daughters to ALL THE MEN IN THE CITY both young and old to be gang raped.

Hi you didn't elaborate on what in particular was misrepresented in the video.

Yeh strange story isn't it . Thx for flagging that up. That'd make for a good discussion/video!

I'm not disagreeing but check your time period for the gospels. Most say around 65 CE for mark and 90-110CE for John.

Yes the startling thing is that of all his disciples and all his believers (if one is to believe the gospels are true) none had the motivation or drive to write his own account of a man they thought was God incarnate and who was going to save humanity. Surely we should have hundreds of accounts. The greatest curiosity is that he never wrote himself and therefore we have only second and third hand accounts.

Mark is generally agreed upon as the oldest account with John written well later and flying of at a considerable tangent compared to the synoptic gospels

All abrahamic religions are nonsense, anyone that has read the Torah, Bible, or Quran will see numerous examples just like the one presented that show them to be not divine and manmade.

Yup, and every alleged letter that does exist (some don't exist but are claimed to be) that speak of him were proven to be fakes and forgeries. Just like the rag of Turin.

Anyone that considers the Jesus character to be some moral paragon is ignorant of the depraved supremacist nature of Judaism. Nothing “moral” is coming out of that demented ideology.

He was testing the gentile women faith infront of his Jewish disciple The story ends with jesus praising the woman “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” (Mt 15:28 and the same about the roman centurion “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.” (Mt 8:10) That is more than his disciples got in the same chapter “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” (Mt 8:26). Funny thing, Jews would critique the NT makes the non-jews more sympathetic and humble. Do you also get triggered by Jesus calling Peter of Satan (Mt16) or the pharisees of vipers (Mt 23)? Or God calling Jerusalem a prostitute (Jeremiah 16:35) or Israel a harlot (Amos)? I guess you may have a problem in understanding the call to humility.

@@Doctor_Fate5 Hi, he criticizes and upbraids his disciples for sure but he does communicate with them and travels with them everywhere. However, Jesus ONLY preached to the Jews which is significant - never at all preaching to the Romans and Greeks unlike Paul for instance. The story also says that his disciples also ignored her as well which is significant for her being a gentile. Clearly, she was being treated differently than Jewish followers.

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 Because God made promise to Abraham he formed a covenant with him. Jews were supposed to be light to all the nations they were chosen to serve. You do understand the beauty of the bible is the growing theology through the ages, right? From Genesis tribal polytheism, to Exodus ethnical henotheism, to Kings national monolatry, to Prophets universal monotheism, to Gospel foreign acceptance and finally to Acts-Epistles active gentile conversion. The great commission by Jesus in the last chapter of every gospel proves your affirmation wrong: “go and make disciples of all nations” (Mt 28:19) And being humble like the roman centurion and the Canaanite woman is the requirement for being accepted in the community of God. Why do you thing christianity number one rule is accepting your sinful nature? Galatians 3:28 : "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." This verse highlights the unity and equality of all believers in Christ, transcending societal and cultural differences.

I agree. This is one of those Gospel stories that shows Jesus isn't the kind and loving man Christians want to portray him as.

Wow, Jesus was a dick.

Thx for watching! Hierarchies exist certainly but those based on race should not exist however, and certainly not on religious matters. And certainly a divine being (if we assume Jesus was divine) should not be treating humans differently based on race. Arguably he should have treated non-Jews much better than Jews. Regarding Jesus changing his mind it has to be borne in mind he entirely ignored her initially which is strange behaviour regardless of whether he was omniscient. In fact it's remarkable that he never in his entire ministry criticised any of the Jewish cultural and religious bias against gentiles.

@@FlaviusClaudiusJulianus361 I don't see how hierarchies based on race "shouldn't exist", I don't see it as particularly outrageous, and as religious matters go, the Hindu caste system was pretty much that (both racial and religious in character) considering the highest rank was that of the priests so religion wasn't "fully open" to everyone, far less so to those in the two second lowest groups. With omniscience taken into account I don't think saying she "initially ignored her" would apply as much since all could be seen as intentional regarding a better deliver of the message I had mentioned, although it would appear strange on the outside at least. In any case absence of criticism (clear criticism at least, since things such as "love thy neighbor" could be taken as such) regarding biases could either be attributed to it not being registered (since not everything he did was) or indeed something that is oddly absent.

@@tsuyune3443I don’t see it as outrageous either

Thx for your comment Jason. My point was that if someone can walk on water, resurrect himself from the dead etc then he has no need to hide. Even if they had killed him he could have effortlessly come back to life (unless you argue Jesus could only die once and that itself has problems) . The story is a strange one in that Jesus did not want to talk to a non-Jew woman and so has to be considered rather than interpreted in as benign a way as possible

@ Jason Teddy A powerful divine creator doesn’t need you to defend him (if so he is weak) or use the crazy mental gymnastics (clearly ignoring the facts presented) that you tried unsuccessfully to disprove that statements raised in this video.

@@elliottprats1910 I am not " defending HIM" I am asking HIM to prove HIMSELF and what HE has said to me that will be, over and over again. Untill you all hear HIM and obey, so I will pray it again, for HIM to speak to you and as we both know, I am not speaking defense, I'm asking HIM to go on the offense and prove HIMSELF to all of you as HE has Me. Other than that, I ask HIM to Keep HIS Promises as well. And also to bring the wrath promised upon all those who deny HIM and have destroyed HIS miracles and those against the Messiah. And to make it very plain why you all should fear HIM for all of your wrongs and thefts and lies and abuses and frauds and false teachings. Cause most certainly HE needs no defense. Although HE must keep HIS promises if HE truely is ADONAI THE MIGHTY AND ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER CREATOR OF ALL AND NOT CRESTED HIMSELF, BUT EVERLASTING AND EYERNAL GOD of ALL AFTER HIM, FATHER OF CHRIST Son Of GOD ADONAI. GOD before all spirit and all things formed and made, GOD before Time and things that perceived HIM as HE IS GOD, Mighty and Eternal. And I ask and petition to HIM this day, to speak to you as HE did me, to define HIMSELF by HIS own annunciation and also that annunciation of who I am to HIM, by HIS forming and who I have been in my lifetimes, and what Judgement HE has laid upon Me personally and that Judgement HE has Laid upon all other males existing on the planet today that are not me or Of HIM.

@@jasonteddy5302 Jesus told me you are crazy yes I also talk to Jesus 😂

@@jasonteddy5302 well you just described a bunch of nonsense of your God not believing in him and what about false teaching man was clear the stories doesn't make sense and is weird for a God that is loving isn't that all seem like a egotistic God to me.