I lost all respect for the guy the moment he admitted to not having any knowledge on the details of the case. How do u go through that entire soapbox monologue like that and then admit to not doing your own due diligence?
'There's no evidence of physical abuse whatsoever.' Except the untreated broken arm, bruises, and signs of a serious head injury. I can't take this guy serious if he doesn't mention this.
So basically they are trying to get get this child murderer off because of being abused herself as a child. You murder your kid you pay the consequences.
Understanding why she admitted to killing her kid and then took it back it's not hard to understand she admitting to kill her kid because she did and she took it back because some scumbag lawyer convinced her that she could get away with it
Then go look at the other cases they "championed". Kevin Cooper, Julius Jones, Crystal Keyzer. All guilty as hell, with evidence to prove it but, "America is racist so let them out and give us money."
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"Forty-three-year-old Melissa Elizabeth Lucio was convicted of killing her daughter, Mariah, in 2007. The woman told authorities the child had fallen down some stairs but emergency room physicians found she had bruises covering her body, bite marks on her back, an arm that had been broken weeks earlier and was missing hair that had been pulled by the roots from her head. An autopsy showed the girl had been beaten on her head and the injuries were not caused by a fall down some stairs." - Associated Press September 16, 2011 This is a man looking for a cause so he can play the savior.
Seriously.. like how much more evidence is needed against her. Matching bite marks from the mouth.. Yea not typically something that happens to a person why they fall down stairs.
@@billbillson5082 Bitemark forensics and blood spatter analysis have been thoroughly debunked. I still think this woman is guilty but don't believe the bite mark shit if you're ever on a jury. It's complete junk science.
@@billbillson5082 I agree with the sentiment but people are somewhat missing what he said. In the full podcast he says he doesnt know hardly anything about the case. Also bite science has been proven to be junk science that's complete bs.
So you did a google search and read what the associated press said and that’s it? Case closed? I’m not saying she’s innocent, but the whole point in cases of wrongful conviction is that the “evidence” ends up being flawed or inaccurate. Of course if you just do a google search you’re going to see the accepted narrative. Thank god there’s actual attorneys who spend hundreds of hours digging through the case and don’t just say “well google says she’s guilty so she must be” 🙄
@@UncleRicoOSU The only evidence that exists is evidence against her. She had tons of kids, multiple instances of DFCS getting involved, a major issue with drug abuse, she was a prostitute, the child in question had bite marks, a broken arm that had been neglected for over a week, and a major injury to it's head. Given all of this evidence, we're supposed to believe this yahoo on Rogan who can't even get the cause of death correct because he gave a sob story about her childhood? The child wasn't strangled at all. In Melissa's own words, the cause of death was the child falling down the stairs (which isn't supported by the pathology report which stated the child was struck on the head). I had a tough childhood as well. Does that mean I should be able to neglect my kids as well? The more I read up on the innocent project, the more I see stuff like this. They are not a credible group in my opinion and I say this as someone who is completely opposed to the death penalty.
Guest lost me when he couldn't remember what exactly she was accused of doing. 8 minutes on the complex psychology and the putting yourself in her shoes, then had difficulty recalling the concrete accusation. Wtf?
It's all about feels. They believe that all people are perfectly equal, so they have to pretend that it was the circumstances around the person that was the issue, and not the character of the person in question. Their solution, by the way, is always the same... your money.
@@gentlemenrule3260 Unlike this tool, Im not spouting off my theories on the biggest platform in the world without having done any actual research, dum-dum.
Yes, this guy is a total fraud. The kid had an untreated broken arm, bruises, and signs of a serious head injury. He flatout lies about this. Maybe it happened differently, but you cannot lie about this.
“The condition of Mariah’s body indicated that she had been severely beaten. There were bruises in various states of healing covering her body, there were bite marks on her back, one of her arms had been broken probably about 2 to 7 weeks prior to her death and she was missing portions of her hair where it had been pulled out by the roots. Her autopsy revealed bruised kidneys, a bruised spinal cord and bruised lungs. The emergency room physician testing that this was the ‘absolute worst’ case of child abuse that he had seen in his 30 years of practice.”
@@nuclearwinter391 Is not false, I read into it too. The rest of her 14 children did not have any signs of neglect. Lucio herself had called 911 because the child in question had fallen down the stairs.
I'm so fed up with the "had a terrible upbringing" argument, where I'm supposed to have more empathy for the criminal, than his/her victims because of this.
The emergency room physician said, "in 30 years of practice he had not seen a case of child abuse worse than Mariah's." So now you'll get lead prosecutor Alfredo Padilla on for that balance you're promoting...right Joe?
Joe is naive and moronic for platforming ANYONE advocating fro a murderers release without doing basic due dilligence. With all of his millions, can he not screen peopel first? The innocence project is an evil organization that wants to free murderers. Usually, it's Black on White murder they focus on. The most obvious cases of guilt, like Rodney Reed killing & raping Stacey Stykes, and Kevin Cooper committing the most horrific murder of women and children in the CHino Hills mAssacre.
⚖️ According to official court records, “There were bruises in various states of healing covering her body. There were bite marks on her back. One of her arms had been broken probably about 2 to 7 weeks prior to her death. She was missing portions of her hair where it had been pulled at the roots. Her autopsy revealed bruised kidneys, a bruised spinal cord, and bruised lungs. The emergency room physician testified that this was the “ABSOLUTE WORST” case of child abuse that he had seen in his 30 years of practice!” #JUSTICE FOR BABY MARIAH👼🏽
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LMFAO… just wait until you watch Matthew North’s content exposing Joe Rogaine… just wait until you finally find out he is 100% a controlled asset of the system itself. Yeah. Yeah… tell me more about how you believe “just anybody” can have “the most influential podcast in the world” without being a shill of the system…
@@MrBLAA exactly! Why bother researching the case... just half ass it and IP will pay you the same... if I was a soulless dead eyed sociopath like that guy I would do the same
Please. Why do you think his first phrase was essentially "Go to Innocence Project and donate". It's a hussle. They made $21 million last year advocating for murderers like Julius Jones and Kevin Cooper. #JusticeForPaulHowell
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As soon as Josh was being tight lipped about the case and said "I encourage people to do their own research" I immediately went to the comment section and my thoughts have been confirmed. I've lost almost all respect for this guy and The Innocence Project...
I read about the case. The little girl had teeth marks on her, had her vagina pinched, and also was running around with an untreated broken arm. This guy has his own perspective, and isn't going to give you all the facts.
What kind of break ? I had a broken arm from rugby and i didn’t know it was broken until I had a doctor check me out before our trip to England to play against guys we knew were going to destroy us and because of the arm I couldn’t go, or couldn’t play anyways.
@@ab935 Based on what? People used to raise gigantic families routinely. The average number of children in the 1800s in the USA was 7. When you discipline children they behave, when they behave they keep watch over their own siblings, only idiotic liberals who don't know how to discipline can't control multiple children and that's why they want abortion.
Probably another leftie wanting the release of murderers and rapists..like the black dude that was on death row for killing his aunt or someshit and demi Lovato was pleading his innocents..they dont believe in criminals.
You think he doesn't know? He knows. He just doesn't to say it. The question is why. Because he wants to use this woman's pity story to elicit sympathy for her. Don't think about what she did, think about her terrible childhood bla bla bla.
@NEWLILLYHOT wrong about it being the worst case of child abuse they've seen? I find it hard to believe that there was no physical abuse when the examiner goes to the point of saying it's the worst they've seen. I believe fully that there was abuse there.
Oh, definetly. One big problem with the innocence project is their perogative to only highlight cases from the defense's point of view, excluding shitloads of evidence and facts to a court of public opinion. I´ve supported Joe for as long as I can remember, but I´m worried by his commitment to this shady organization.
Her children may have been the one's who inflicted some of the physical damage on the child. Children's confessions too often cannot be relied on. And it's clear that police pressured the mother into saying she did it, and this is a VERY common thing police do to defendants who are low income and limited mentally.
@@JoeyJiggles - You are trying to sound smart but you don't have the wisdom to know what smart is. You looking at facts just means that your limited mind will see only what a limited mind will see from those cherry picked facts, if they are actually facts. The point is that you don't know how the baby was fatally injured and neither do we. That's why Melissa Lucio shouldn't be executed. The case is flawed and lacking at multiple levels and the evidence points to her being coerced into a "confession". The emotional claim that the examiner has never seen such a level of child abuse means nothing. It's just an expression of personal feelings that doesn't show what specifically happened. Is that dumbed down enough for you?
Is this guy high. Sits down begins to act and give a emotional story of this innocent mother. Accused and set up by police. 200 percent sure shes innocent. Then admits to not knowing much details about the case. Wtf
Don't look this one up, it will make you sick. The TL;dr of it is she is very very very much guilty not of a single incident, but a history of physical assault and abuse against the girl. This guy is the worst kind of lawyer, willing to conflate other cases and straight up lie by omission to get his client off.
Agreed, My favorite part is that he was so poetically saying how we need to understand the experience she has had. And is so thorough and explaining to us how we should feel. But as soon as Joe asks about the circumstances around the case, he stops and says he wants people to make up their own decision. Like what the fuck. Lol super red flag when I heard that.
I didn't know it was possible to know less about something you didn't know about, but here we are. He talked about everything, but the case. He has the nerves to ask people to contribute to the cause, then when asked about the case say we should do our own research. My scamometer is going crazy right now.
Read the comments cause a lot of ppl are posting facts about the case. The child had a broken arm from 2 weeks prior to its death, had hair ripped out of its skull, had bites on its neck, and other injuries not consistent with a fall. She had 14 kids, 7 had to be taken away by cps. They were born addicted to drugs cause she used well pregnant. He has a lot of nerve not bringing up these super important facts and the autopsy report that proves abuse went on before the child died. I lost all respect for him after this. The audacity he has to pretend he doesn't know this and ask for money to help a drug addict child abuser who using the autopsy report basically proves she killed it. F*** this guy he just ruined his credibility in less than 20 mins.
@@evanpeterson8634 isn’t that what people on either side actually do? Like were any of us actually there? Don’t trust anything without seeing stuff first hand. No hear say
This exact same guy was on Joe Rogan before and acknowledge that Kamala Harris had knowingly kept innocent people in prison... This guy's life's work is fighting against people like her... And yet he still said the Harris Biden ticket has his vote because he has a severe case of orange man bad syndrome
Here’s the quick rundown: “The woman told authorities the child had fallen down some stairs but emergency room physicians found she had bruises covering her body, bite marks on her back, an arm that had been broken weeks earlier and was missing hair that had been pulled by the roots from her head. An autopsy showed the girl had been beaten on her head and the injuries were not caused by a fall down some stairs.” Now there are issues with the prosecutors and the DA, as well as her children not being allowed to testify in the woman’s defense - so perhaps there’s an issue with the trial itself, but it’s pretty evident that she probably did it.
@@matthewp5472 I'm pretty sure even a crap public defender would have presented that at a trial. She was found guilty, so it's safe to say that's just a made-up scenario in yer head there bro.
"Some of the children living with Lucio were previously taken from the home by Child Protective Services and placed into foster care when Mariah was three weeks old, in 2004. According to documents filed in the Texas Criminal Court Of Appeals in 2011, the children were found in “unsafe” conditions with scratches and insect bites. They were returned to Lucio three months before Mariah’s death. Melissa Lucio’s daughter claimed, on TikTok, that this is when the abuse began. Selina says that Lucio was, “not abusive to all of us. She started abusing only my sister, Mariah.” The kid had bruise marks that matched Melissa's rings.
He is declaring that Melissa Lucio is the vulnerable one in this scenario? And he lies in saying that there was no evidence of the child being abused - there was LOTS of evidence; not to mention that she had suffered a broken arm weeks earlier that had never been medically seen. I have no pity for a parent that abuses their own child simply because they themselves were a victim of abuse. Life is simply a series of choices. She made horrible ones. And her child died.
I'm aware of false confessions but there are SO many important details he left out.The child had numerous bruises in different forms of healing. One of the arms was broken 2-7 weeks before death, had teeth marks on her, had her vagina pinched, hair had been pulled out by the roots and bite marks were visible on the back. She had a total of 14 children! At the time of the case, she only had 7 of her kids living with her. The eldest 4 kids did not live with her. She was also pregnant with twins, which she had while incarcerated and she gave them up for adoption. Finally, 3 of her middle kids were born addicted to drugs, because she used drugs while pregnant. CPS had taken her children away from her on multiple occasions. All her kids were hungry and dirty. There was no food in their house! The local soup kitchen knew them well, because they would eat there daily! The coroner did an autopsy and said that the baby's injuries were the result of prolongued physical abuse
Wow... If you didn't say this I wouldn't have been any of the wiser. If that is the case and this guy is this staunch about this it makes me question his judgement and his ability to judge others.... Interesting
I knew he was being so calculated in how he wouldn't discuss details, how he talked in massive circles... I didn't plan on looking up the case anyway because he would t have been so sketchy if there wasn't detail just like this being left out. I got a bad feeling about it because it's wierd how he asked so many questions, answered them himself poorly might i add and then he Talked himself in circles. It's just wierd and off-putting
Per the current district attorney: “The condition of Mariah’s body indicated that she had been severely beaten. There were bruises in various states of healing covering her body, there were bite marks on her back, one of her arms had been broken probably about 2 to 7 weeks prior to her death and she was missing portions of her hair where it had been pulled out by the roots. Her autopsy revealed bruised kidneys, a bruised spinal cord and bruised lungs. The emergency room physician testing that this was the ‘absolute worst’ case of child abuse that he had seen in his 30 years of practice.”
I’m not saying she’s innocent, but how do we know one of the kids who wanted to testify in defence of their mother wasn’t going to rat on one of the dozen kids she had? Lady is clearly mentally ill though, she could have had a breakdown and beat the brakes off that baby 🧐
"On February 17, 2007, paramedics were called to the Lucio residence because two-year-old Mariah was unresponsive and not breathing. According to the Cameron County District Attorney's Office, Mariah was found at the home with signs of abuse on her body. She reportedly had scattered bruising, bite marks on her back, patches of hair that had been pulled out, and a broken arm. According to Lucio, two days earlier Mariah had fallen down a set of stairs, leading to her injuries. Mariah was pronounced dead upon arrival at a local hospital. It was later determined that Mariah's arm had been broken two to seven weeks before her death, and an autopsy also showed a head injury and bruising of the kidneys, lungs and spinal cord." So, we have two scenarios'. The first is a horribly abusing and negligent mother who allowed a critically injured child to suffer and die over the course of days in her home rather than seek medical attention, or, a murderer who allowed her victim to suffer and die under her roof rather than call medical attention which would have revealed her crime. Either way, not a woman who moves me to sympathy.
His soft spoken and demure demeanor is literally sickening when you read the case file. That baby was abused and yes there’s proof. Please do your research.
This case is a DUMPSTER FIRE. This was a poor family, 9 or more kids in a 1-bedroom apartment, she was addicted to drugs, possibly sexually abused herself as a child, and an abusive husband. I'm not sure of this woman's mental state, but I'd stay there was a high probability she snapped. The kids had previously been removed from the home, due to neglect. The autopsy showed the little girl had a broken untreated arm. There were also bites and bruises allover her. Also marks from pinching on her vagina. (I'm not sure how you can tell them are pinch marks) I agree that this woman should not have been allowed to have all these kids in those conditions. The only questionable thing is the 5-hour interrogation after losing her child. I think she already had a retrial based off that. Same result. NOW, she says that one of the daughters was the one that was abusing the younger one that died. IDK if I believe her, but there are 9 potential witnesses that could confirm what happened. I don't which is more believable a mother beating and killing her child or a sister doing that to her younger sister. Which is worse? With a dozen people living in on apartment like that, either one could have snapped.
@jJ Even if it's upsetting story, and this guy may have left out a few details. We are all more informed by watching This podcast clip. Also, the guy encouraged you to research it yourself in the video.
@@dubyah967 a few details? No he literally is lying through his teeth. He said there was absolutely no evidence of physical abuse. The medical examiner said this was the single worst case of child abuse she had ever seen. I saw the pics of the autopsy and it was truly sickening. Dubin is an absolute scumbag trying to set that piece if shit "mom" free.
I feel like he should know what she was accused of and how the child actually died. Those two things won’t sway people to just follow blindly. He honestly sounds like he is following blindly because his friends have done the due diligence of following the case.
This guy claims to be an expert on the case and argues with such conviction about Lucio's innocence, yet doesn't ever know how the child was killed? FYI - Her daughter, Mariah Alvarez died from blunt force trauma to the head.
"No physical evidence of abuse?!?" The child had BITE MARKS on her back, a broken arm that had been broken for weeks and had patches of hair ripped from her head! I am so sick of people that confuse indifference with compassion.
She obviously did it... this guy is crazy.. . He gives no evidence to defend her but makes excuses. Read the evidence and you'll know she is guilty Edit: keep asking questions Joe Rogan this is why we love you!
@@Maverick-theonly1 of course you did. Lol you can tell this guy loves to hear himself talk slow, probably makes him think he's an "intellectual" of some sorts.
Brings up this case and why she shouldn't be executed. 7:41 I'm not going to speak on specifics in this case. He says she was strangled. She was pushed down the steps and she blames Mariah physical disability contributed to her falling. Wow this guest is pathetic.
At the end of the day, this guy is a lawyer, a defense attorney at that. He tries not to look like it and look more like an activist, but he is a lawyer first.
@@ab935 that's a good point. I've got 3 older brothers and they definitely left some marks on me that might have looked like abuse. But this lady seems like she has no business raising children and possibly killed one thru neglect
My grandma had 13 children. She had a broken relationship with my grandfather which sometimes turned into domestic violence. I witnessed myself. My parents left us (4 children) with them since they broke up. It was hard and sometimes we barely had anything to eat… But she never ever abused any of her children or grandchildren.
I grew up in a family of 13 never did my gentleman of a father and my saint of a mother lay a hand on me or my brothers and sisters and we were poor immigrants and there was 4 to a bad even my mum and dad had two kids in the bed with them and never complained and we were always clean and bellys full.
He knows she's innocent but dosen't know important specific details about the case. She killed her own child, sorry about her past but its no excuse for her actions.
He talked about her so adamantly, then couldn’t give any facts about the case. When he talked about her past abuse and how many kids I am just assuming it was a bad environment for kids and more likely some guy in her life or past did it. But she was likely covering it up or negligible. There is no credibility to someone who won’t even describe the facts of the case.
I am not arguing, I am just curious as why you say in this situation, he has no credibility because he didn't discuss the facts of the case, when he urged people to read the facts themselves. I suppose I am asking you out of everyone before you that said something similar, because your statement seemed to me the most coming from a place of intelligence
@@jjiggans433 he brought her up as this clear example of innocence but couldn’t recall the facts of the case gives the appearance he doesn’t know what he is talking about. I was waiting and wanting to hear his case. I love the idea of the innocence project and think it is important. Prosecutors can be very aggressive when they assume someone is guilty, like the Kyle rittenhouse case. However, when you are given a massive platform opportunity like JRE to bring the case to light, there is a responsibility there. Who knows she could be innocent and he could have saved her from death row by putting the facts of the case on the show. Another “making a murderer” public support. But you have to read the case yourself and read the comments on RU-vid you get a perverse view and then come to your own assumptions. I made assumptions in my comment I didn’t want to make but off of information presented. I think that hurts the credibility and a disservice to this woman if she is really innocent. Just my thoughts
@@jjiggans433 I know I didn’t say it did. Maybe I was mixed up but I thought someone said her and her boyfriend had all those kids together. I was pointing out this is not the case. Maybe I responded on the wrong thread.
@7:59 He says he doesn't know enough about the details of the case. She admitted to abusing the child, the autopsy photos, the ones you can see show horrendous abuse of 2 year old Mariah Lucio. However, 2 year old Mariah did fall down a long set of wooden stairs that are located on the outside of the building leading to a 2nd story apartment, her family members report that she fell all the way from the top to the bottom, Melissa Lucio(mother/on death row) was not present the day 2 year old Mariah fell. The fact that she admitted to abusing 2 year old Mariah is what allowed the prosecution to go after her, nonetheless the death penalty was an over reach. If anyone fell down those steps and died two days later from a brain hemorrhage there is enough reasonable doubt to conclude that was sufficient cause for the injury that caused 2 year old Mariah's passing. A Federal Court turned over the conviction, citing "an injury cannot lead to a capital punishment.". The only argument presented by the Prosecution which argued for the death penalty but against life in prison came about because she was attacked in a woman's prison multiple times. The Prosecution used the attacks to highlight that Melissa is a 'disruption', therefore she should be executed. Melissa Lucio's been in prison for over 15+ years, if she's been a model prisoner that should negate the Prosecution's argument against life in prison. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hN2cGWGO984.html The stairway 2 year old Mariah fell down ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q1A4t13O_Io.html Confession with autopsy pics inside of video
The claim of the innocence project is that they jumped from accident fall to murder, what makes you think the innocence project is wrong in this argument?
Yea but we don’t know the whole story, what if the child said a curse word? Or hit the mother and she was just defending herself? Sometime discipline is needed with kids.
@Sean OMalley undefeated best MMA fighter all time the kids had multiple injuries in various states of healing, showing a long history of abuse. the lady is a monster and this guys an idiot
@@lordjaraxxus663 She threw the dead child down the steps... she had abused her relentlessly, and she was severely malnourished. The child did NOT die from falling down stairs. It's an accident in the sense that "I didn't know if I kept abusing and starving my infant, she might die!" --- she didn't slip and fall. The autopsy showed homicide as the suspected cause of death
@@jmilber Youre story seems to do everything the innocence project claims the courts did, jumping to conclusions without evidence. Maybe read their claims before commenting all this. It helps you be less sure about killing a human being. Since you look so happy and certain about killing her.
Sure this guy has done some good work and there are some people in prison who are in fact innocent. But he is also the type that tries to act as if every black person is wrongfully accused, which to me is just as bad as the people who assume every black person is a criminal.
I’ve listened to this guy in the past, and he always knew and shared the details. This is different. He is advocating for this lady, but says he doesn’t know the specifics… just trust him because he trust the people saying she is innocent. This seems careless on his part. As for Joe, I appreciate the fact he offers a platform for discussion, even when I disagree with the guest. It’s great! Keep it up Joe!!!
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“ I don’t know the nooks and crannies of the case”…like how the child’s death was diagnosed BUUUT I’m going to blast out to the world to send money now. He literally admits he didn’t KNOW THE FACTS of the case he is speaking on?! Dude literally discriminates against jury volunteers for a “profession”.
The child had an untreated broken are. This woman had her boyfriend and 9 children living in an apartment, but "no signs of abuse". sure this is healthy behavior.
Might not be healthy but doesn't mean you're a child murderer. I don't know anything about this case, but people do falsely confess. Innocent people should get out, they should be fought for. If there is a small chance she didn't actually strangle her child, then her sentence should be commuted.
Still doesn’t prove she did it though. From what I gathered from the documentary the older sister abused Mariah. Just my opinion I have Yet to read the whole case.
I watched the documentary about this case, then did some follow up research. I'm the first one to get behind someone whose been wrongfully incarcerated as it's one of my worst nightmares and I would hope people would lobby for me as well. That being said, I am not convinced of her innocence and I'm not sure how the Innocence Project could get behind her. This little girl was severly beaten, and if not by the mother, then who? The mother has implied that it was her own daughter and that she confessed simply to cover for her daughter. I call bullshit. And if, a huge resounding IF that is true, if she knew her jealous older child was abusing her little one, why didn't she protect her? From what I could find, the little girl had only just come home from foster care and the mother was angry that she didn't "know" her anymore. One of the children said the little girl was afraid of her mother. Shortly after being released back into her care she would end up dead. I believe in standing for the innocent too. Justice for Mariah, who truly was innocent and did not deserve to die. 💯
Forgot to add, The chief forensic pathologist for Cameron and Hidalgo Counties (Farley), who conducted Mariah's autopsy on Monday, February 19, 2007, testified that Mariah's body tested positive for cocaine. Why did this two year old have cocaine in her system? If you want to google something, google THAT.
@@JS-yf9xh In the same article as well, one of the teenage daughters claimed responsibility for pushing Mariah; Lucio's attorney never pursued this defense because he did not want to "ruin her life," though multiple witnesses corroborate hearing it
He lost me once he said "the innocence project". Anybody that has done their research into this program understands they are primarily full of shit. Just keeping it 💯
The pathologist in the case said it was the worse case of child abuse she had ever seen...so this guy is actually putting out misinformation...literally for money.
This may not be a popular opinion but in this one instance, he loses a lot of credibility when he speaks so eloquently for 8min.10 sec. about a mother who is accused of killing her child but then admits to not knowing the details of the case.
He also loses credibility when he says there was "no evidence of any abuse" and the woman who performed the autopsy said it was "the worst case of child abuse I have ever seen". The girl was covered in bruises from head to toe, she had pinch marks on her vagina, her cranium was filled with blood after being punched or kicked very hard, her arm was broken... "No evidence of any abuse". Fucking disgusting.
In this “one instance”? The man is a mouthpiece for a disgusting organization that tries to get rapists and murderers released. The Innocence Project has 5 lawyers and made $21 million last year - from gullible idiots like Joe Rogan.
It was not manual strangulation. The two year old’s head had been bashed in. Also there was prove of abuse. The doctors found that she had a broken iron that have been broken a few weeks before the incident, she had her hair ripped out, she had bruises and bite marks all over her body. The mother said that the child had fallen down the stairs. I have kids who have fallen down the stairs and somehow they managed to avoid having bite marks and hair pulled out. This man should be ashamed for asking people to donate to this lady.
The issue with this case is the abuse that was denoted by the ER via X-Rays. This was a battered child, who suffered multiple abusive traumas to her vital organs, spinal cord, skin, and bones. An X-ray can’t lie. Child services had also taken the child from Lucio’s care as a result of some these traumas. A month after the baby’s return, she was dead.
7:16 Rogan: What are they accusing her of? This guy: Killing her child. Rogan: How? This guy: Um ... I, I think it was ... I think it was manual strangulation. 7:56 This guy: And frankly, I don't know enough about the details of the nooks and crannies of the case ...
Trying to get innocent people off of death row or get their verdicts and sentences thrown out is a noble endeavor. However, the news that i found on this case suggests that this woman is probably guilty. Its not noble or just to get a murdering child abuser out of prison. This case makes me doubt what The Innocence Project is doing.
There are cases where they have done good work and helped innocent people. But they have a very shady history and are first and foremost an anti death penalty group. And at a certain point they stop pursuing justice or seeking truth and just trying to do anything they can including witness intimidating, liying, spreading misinformation, and paying off people to get people off. They have a very spotty track record thus far.
You should doubt what they’re doing. They’re constantly trying to get scum of the earth off scott-free. This guy should be ashamed of himself for coming on this show lying like this
It’s sad too because like Mr. Rambo mentioned above, it is such a noble thing to do if you take what they say at face value. Although, I would like if they focused on all prisoners not just black ones, at least a case here or there.
Nah, Joe gave this guy air time on purpose. He wanted people to see how baseless this “case” was. Now that she has had so much publicity, she’s doomed thanks to all of us who are going to make sure she stays in prison.
@@Anna-cx4tg Joe can ask the basic questions that anyone interviewing usually asks. This sounds like an unbelievable story that is very slanted one way - ask questions to make sure this isn’t the case.
You couldn’t be more right. Joe is sleeping during this interview. Ask basic questions Joe. The jury heard the evidence and decided she should die for this. Why not talk to one of them?
The Innocence Project's Josh Dubin: "There was no physical evidence of any abuse." The medical examiner looking at the baby's dead body: "This was the worse case of child abuse I had ever seen." Biggest Podcast on Earth, everyone.
Medical examiner opinion isnt evidence. Lots of infants are covered head to toe in bruises, have untreated broken bones, bite marks and pinch wounds on their genitals... doesnt mean they were all abused
7:16 this is the important part. This guy goes on a whole tangent to provide tangible proof to his agenda, but then 7:57 admits after being asked a very single succinct question that "he doesn't know the details" to the case that he's claiming a woman thats been convicted of brutally murdering her child is innocent. It's proposterous.. I love joe and I don't mind controversial guests at all or even this podcast. I actually enjoy seeing this guy contradict himself live
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Right... The lack of personal responsibility is destroying this country. It's always somebody else's fault, no one's ever responsible for their own actions.
@@chrismacdonald4570 there's certainly enough evidence to argue whether or not she actually murdered her child. However, it's pretty evident that all of her children were abused severely, and the child certainly died of neglect whether intentionally murdered or not. If I was on the jury I would hang her to! Suffering from abuse as a child and living a life of addiction is no excuse to abuse your children..
@@travisdoe4663 Well you answered me with facts and civily. A rarity for YT . I do agree that a bad upbringing is no excuse for abusing children. I will leave it at that. Thanks again for some information from a different perspective
I find it hard to believe this guy because he’s totally infatuated with black injustice and ONLY black injustice. This seems like one giant virtue signal that’s void of objective truth.
To go on that insane rant to paint this good picture for her, and then when asked the first simple questions, say“I don’t know the nooks and crannies of the case but my team does” is fucking insanity.
Are you a cisgender white man too? A white man getting paid $100,000,000 to spread transphobic activism and racism is not good, what radicalized you into being an activist?
This is why we love Joe Rogan. This guest is clearly insane, as this is probably the most guilty suspect I have ever read about. The dead victim (2 yo), had a blunt force trauma to the head, bite marks on her back, bruises all over her body and a broken arm. The fact that this guy can believe she is in innocent shows 2 things 1) You are allowed to listen to people who are stupid, politely, 2) WE WONT CANCEL YOU FOR IT!!! KEEP GOING JOE!!!!
You can skip to video in 4 Comments Add a comment... DonT-ToucH-Me PG130 seconds ago So I have been questioned by the cops for hours. Me and my friends. It Baltimore,u deal with cops all the time. 5 hours isn't long really. And most false confessions take 12 14 hours of youths. And for not so serious crimes mostly. This guy doesn't even no about the case! But he knows about it? Wtf, and go to their website to find out. I see abused kids in Baltimore,, THEY NEVER GET REPORTED! He just named statistics and thinks,, said and done. But, how can u admit to killing ur kid in 5 hours. Losing ur kids awful and anyone saying u did it would get ur wrath, a mother at that, being told she killed her kid, just says, "ok, I killed my baby that I'm mourning over". The innocence project has gotten it wrong ALOT! Look into it. They get letters from EVERYONE who wants out and have no proof.
Again I was abused horribly by my psychopathic mother and father and no matter what you did to me you couldn't get me to admitting to slaughtering my child if I didn't do it these people should be charged and thrown in jail and I mean the ones in the innocent project they are criminals what they are doing is criminal acts trying to get obviously guilty people out of jail it's no different than a guard handing a criminal the keys to the gate
No no sorry. Look at the child's autopsy. This woman was abusing her daughter for a long time before SHE KILLED HER. WHETHER SHE MEANT TO KILL HER OR NOT DOESNT MAKE HER INNOCENT. Im so disgusted by this. Why didnt he mentioned that she blamed her own daughter for killing this precious baby. IM FUMING😡😡😡
hold on... "no signs of physical abuse???" ...... "The emergency room physician (Vargas) testified that this was the 'absolute worst' case of child abuse that he had seen in his 30 years of practice."
This guy is grandstanding and he doesn't even know that the woman in question was accused of severely beating her daughter to death, not manual strangulation. She claimed her daughter fell down the stairs but the injuries were not consistent with a fall. The doctors and medical examiner testified that it was the worse case of child abuse they have ever seen.
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👼🏼 *I saw the documentary! This lady was a drug addict. 3 of her newborn babies were born addicted to drugs! She abused drugs even while pregnant! All her kids were hungry and dirty! There was no food in their house! The local soup kitchen knew them well, becaue they would eat there daily right along with all the winos! The coroner did an autopsy and said that the baby's injuries were the result of prolonged physical abuse. The baby had a broken arm, bite marks, bald spots where her hair had been pulled! And bruises all over her tiny body! I don't believe in the death penalty. But, in this rare case, I think it is warranted! Justice for Baby Mariah!* 🐣
But did she murder her kid? That is what we should be worried about. That’s the point of the discussion. To me it sounds like all her children should had been taken away from her by CPS. but that does t mean she murdered the kid.
Here's the thing. Mothers murdering their kids is a natural part of nature. Happens all the time out in the wild. Doesn't make the mother a danger to society. She should be left alone.
I was literally about to sign a petition to stop the execution after seeing her case on Kim Kardashians FB page and Kim advocating for this lady. For some reason the petition wasn't accepting my phone number, thank God it didn't. I decided to look into it, and I've read that they found the child with disturbing signs of abuse on her body, including a broken arm that hadn't been treated. They said it is the worst case of abuse they had seen. Injuries like that don't happen unless you are really knocking the child about. Also why did she leave her child with an untreated broken arm? This makes me sick to my stomach, I have a 2 Yr old and I can't even think about ever hurting him. I will be celebrating her execution. No more than she deserves.
It’s crazy people would take the advice of a celebrity without doing their own research. There are so many of you out there it makes me sad. Maybe educate yourself before signing a petition to free an obviously guilty women. Fuck celebrities.
This is disgusting. Read the actual details from the case. READ HER DEFENSE'S APPEAL. Absolutely disgusting. The lacerations made by teeth on the child's back - The fact that she admitted (without coercion) to biting her on more than one occasion for no reason. The mutilation of the child's genitals. The BROKEN ARM the child had weeks before her murder. The child's hair had been pulled out from the roots. The argument her lawyer tried making was that there is evidence of abuse, but no evidence she killed her child: [DEFENSE]: Now, in the opening remarks that we made in the beginning of the trial after you were all seated here, I told you my client is not up for “Mother Of The Year.” I told you that my client is guilty of injury to a child. She is and she has admitted that. The question here before you is whether or not on February 17, 2007, Melissa Lucio intentionally and knowingly killed Mariah Alvarez. That’s the issue. That’s the issue. Not whether she beat her. Not whether she broke her arm. Not whether she’s a lousy mother or didn’t provide for her children. That’s not an issue. The issue is whether or not she killed Mariah on the 17th of February, 2007. Joe Rogan should be ashamed for entertaining this uninformed idiot trying to make a case for someone's innocence when he knows nothing about the case. This woman only had this child in her possession for 88 days. Maybe they can't prove they killed her, but by her own admission and her lawyer's admission, she abused her child and this alone should indicate that she should not be in society. Fucking disgusting how anyone would entertain this. The innocence Project has lost all credibility on this one - just more lawyers trying to pervert our court system.
The Innocence Project never had any credibility. This is ALL they do. Every case this idiot mentions is one where the person in prison for the crime is CLEARLY guilty. Rodney Reed is 1000% guilty. Despite watching 2 full seasons of their Making a Murderer propoganda, it took all of 30 minutes of looking at the publicly available evidence/court documents to dissuade myself of the notion that Avery and Dassey were anything but guilty.
she had bruises covering her body, bite marks on her back, an arm that had been broken weeks earlier and was missing hair that had been pulled by the roots from her head. An autopsy showed the girl had been beaten on her head and the injuries were not caused by a fall down some stairs. How are these ppl rallying behind her?
Josh Dubin is disgusting 🤮 I supported the innocence project when I first heard of it years ago. But once you get past the surface layer on any of these cases you realize they are promoting these people who are 1000% guilty of heinous crimes. It’s a race hustle, and a grift.
Melissa Lucio is guilty - whether she intended the death or not, she severely abused that baby and her other kids. No doubt. Saying she is innocent is like saying that Gabriel Fernandez mother and her boyfriend are also innocent. The way that this guest frames this case, he keeps going on about innocence but mentions nothing concrete about the case or the abuse, trying to convince joe and the listeners about a cause without giving specifics. It’s irresponsible of him.
Love you Joe! But this guy is not making a good case for this mother of 12 on death row. Stop it man. How does he know she's absolutely innocent just by all this emotional stuff. It sounds like she was completely investigated. It's not the investigators job to make you feel good.
@@user-hr6dp7di4w I dont give a fuck if he worked with Jesus Christ if you think some woman who murdered her children needs her actions justified because of her environment and some gross failure of society you got brain worms. Personal responsibility is a missing virtue in Black communities, and thats the reason shit like this happens because idiots like this make excuses for piss poor inhuman behavior of a single group. So don't give a fuck this guy hung with trumps kids. Trump is a 90s Democrat. We need the 1938-1944 version of right wing to come back so people recognize what what a real leader looks like 👍
That's kind of the point. He doesn't know that she's innocent. What's he trying to say is, how do we know she's guilty? By a possible forced confession or false admission? They've happened countless times before. Wrongful convictions are a real thing. People have been wrongfully sent to prison and deathrow by people who were 100% certain they were guilty. Who knows, maybe she's innocent. Maybe she's guilty. I don't know. You don't know. That guy doesn't know. The people on the jury didn't know. All they had were their thoughts and beliefs and made a judgment on it. In truth, no one knows, and will probably never know. In most cases, all we can do is guess and hope that we're right. Sometimes we are, and sometimes we're not. Honestly, I think the whole fourteen minutes was him basically trying to say: "Hey, our entire judicial system is screwed up, and here's one example and some statistics to explain why. It's all an archaic system run by imperfect humans, and we should do something to fix/abolish it."
This guy keeps saying "she's the mother of 14 kids" ummm 13 kids.. she beat one to death. Also I have a hard time believing she was actually a mother to the survivors.
So you don't know the details of the case but you decided to go on Joe Rogan and talk about the details of the case. Am I getting that right? God bless you Joe Rogan.
Love you Joe. You’re a great human being and anyone who actually watches your podcasts and knows who you are will know you are not a racist. Appreciate who you are. Keep fighting 👏🏼
I doubt Joe loses many viewers. The people that watch him regularly likely won't be bothered by the noise. It's the people who don't watch him making all the noise. What effect is it going to have if they continue to not watch him?
Hes a tool,he trashed Kamala Harris for an hour last time talking about her corruption, then at the end said she was a good person n was gonna be a good vp
I've looked over this case a few times and here's what I know: the mother initially claimed the child fell down the stairs, but the coroner found bite marks and numerous other bruises consistent with altercations (or abuse). Maybe she didn't commit murder, but she's not innocent dude. I appreciate the idea of the innocence project, and I know they had a hand in overturning a MASSIVE case in Oregon, but this isn't evidence here: it's sentimentality.
Thank you. Another part the speaker leaves out is that the mother now claims as part of her new defense that she knew the child was being beaten and abused by one of her teenage daughters and the daughter killed her (which would contradict this idea that the child was never injured or abused). the mother goes so far now to claim on camera that she lied to protect the teenage daughter who is the real killer. Its in the documentary. the mother saying this!!!
"bite marks" raises a big red flag for me. Biting is something that one tends to do when they are so overpowered they dont see any other means of inflicting damage. Typically biting is done by children toward adults, or each other not by adults toward children excepting the whole 'bite them back' means of teaching a child that biting hurts when/if they go through a biting phase. (note you arent supposed to bite hard) at any rate. this strikes me as sus. why would she bite a child? of all means of inflicting damage, why biting? its not the easiest thing to do by far, we arent even anatomically configured for ease of biting things. Seems far more likely to me one of the other children inflicted these particular wounds.
@@jameskhan1320 I would HOPE so, and for that matter why is it even a question if they can have her bite a wax mold and compare the wounds. Womens bite structure is quite a bit more narrow in general than a mans and depending on the SIZE of the woman it could fit an older childs size. However... if the teeth dont fit. you must acquit.
This woman killed her child and is not innocent. Talk about misinformation joe. Jesus Christ. The details are fucking awful. This woman is absolutely NOT innocent. 1000 percent guilty. Look at the details for yourself.
I heard the words"innocence project" and i knew this bitch was guilty. The guy goes on and on about "oh she was sexually abused and you should feel bad the cops interrogated her!" 5 mins in and this guy has said ZERO facts of the case.
