The Cassette vs Outdated Freewheel. Which One You've Got On Your Bike? 

Thank you for this. I cant believe how many videos keep showing the physical comparisons but make no mention of why one *might* be better than the other depending on usage.

Finally

Why would you peddle your bike? You can just as easily sell it online without bothering people that may or may not be interested in acquiring it.

Great point!

So does this make you faster?

Even giant and trek use freewheels on their cheapest bikes

@@mahmam3128 Only because there's no point in putting a cassette on a bike that someone might not even bother utilizing.

"some"

@@rcs2003 😅

some problem is axle break every 2000km

well its not outdated. its like saying the 4 banger is good as outdated compared to V engines. and yet they still 4 banger on the road.

Why outdated when it's one of the pioneering technology of drivetrains in bicycle history that is still practical to use up to this day?

Haha! Nice joke! But sorry you was wrong!

Haha, I agree, always worst case scenario, that's how I live my whole life.

It's mostly true

Only the real high end weight weenie stuff is aluminum. Every cassette I've come across is steel. And yes, on those steel cassettes (7-8sp) the last 4 or 5 gears are riveted, but it's not that hard to cut the rivets out. Finally, when you replace a freewheel you're also replacing a ratcheting system, which is full of bearings and pawls which may still have life in them.

@@kevinchen1788 you are right. it is possible to change individual sprockets. But it is impossible to buy single sprockets as far as I know.

it $$$$ ..nobody cares about eco friendly bs

freewheels also have less range since their smallest sprocket is larger than one from a cassette. a 7 speed cassette and 7s freewheel cost the same

Why would they be more durable? Same cog thickness and probably higher quality steel. I hoe that you actually tested that out

man need to change the hub also costly, need to check mine bike

i can't remove my freewheel, so have to change to new wheel once the cogs are worn

Same

Rubbish...the axel can bend on freewheel

Yes, I'm gonna make it.

i just bought 10 speed freewheel 11-28. but i didnt put it in my bike yet.. idk if its fit..

@@lattepus7888 I bought also a 10s freewheel about 9months ago, The great thing is it's 32t, The worst thing is that it's not servicable.

He already did a comparison QR vs thru axle where he even wanted a rim brake thru axle bike

Actually you're confused. Lower priced bikes come with freewheels because they figure the people that buy those bikes aren't going to be modifying them. And even if they are, they probably aren't changing things like cogs. So they don't see the point in putting a cassette on it. The person buying a bike for under $500 is probably not going to use it enough, or to the extent that they would ever wear down the cogs. Also, bikes under $500 usually have pretty entry level wheels,and they figured you're going to change those first. So leave it up to you to choose what hub you want on your new wheelset.

@@dangerous8333 Even without modifying, cassettes have other advantages. Chief among them is more gear range and the option of more gears without the fiddliness and unreliability of a 3x. To your example of the person buying a bike for under $500, like you said, they may not use it that much... By extension, they are also less likely to be in great shape, so they need more granny gears. You don't get that in the universal 14-28 freewheel. Sure, if you live in a place as flat as Florida, that may be fine, but try riding in San Francisco with that kind of gear range and you'll get the point fast. Also, my point of ire was that bikes at the LBS for $500 and _above_ do not offer a cassette. It's generally fine if the $200 Kent at Target has a freewheel. It's not fine for a $550 Giant. No John Q. Public who isn't going to take their bike out and about is going to shop the LBS over the big box stores... And if bikes at Walmart for $350 already have a 1x with a wide-range cassette and sized frames (which have appeared as of this year), what sort of excuse do the major brands have for not offering similar value at their entry level? At that point, the only value of the LBS bikes shows up either at the higher end of the market or more extreme sizing end (e.g. very short or very tall riders).

Yep I dealt with the same issue. I went from 11 to 14 smallest gear so I had to get a larger front chainring. I really only use a few of the rear gears but it sucked running out of pedal at 15 mph

OK, I didn't know about that.

a glimer of hope for ppl like me, ty for the info

100% I have just upgraded my 300€ bike from freewheel to cassette because I broke the axle due to the close placement of the bearings on the freewheel. But first check you have an old of 135mm. Also, good idea to wait until you break either the rim or the axle.

Use it as it is, there is no point changing to a cassette for that type of bike.

You can't really. You would have to get a new rear wheel or rear hub.

@@someguy9520 Huh?

@Thomas The Offroad Train upgrade with what bro, cassette or free wheel

@Thomas The Offroad Train bro pls give me link of some casette u recommend

@Thomas The Offroad Train thnx bro

Same.

yeah. The real advantage of a cassette system is that the axle is much better supported due to the extended bearing spacing. freewheels are super prone to bent axles.

thx, but are damn expensive

Ventura 9 Speed Freewheel is more in my price range.... BTW this gay was just a Freewheeling bike snob....

Gabriel Dorobantu I think he said 8 was the limit of free wheels, at least he believes so.

Amfear Liathmor That's right, but in general you replace (or at least I do) casette much more often than maintain freehub body.

No need to remove an axle... wrong information.

Get a new one. You can't do it accurately without the tool.

@@th_js it's integrated to the frame :-(

@@ansh_thepro Oh ok, you're screwed :( Is it steel? Cause if it's steel it's quite safe to bend back, but if it is aluminum then it's probably gonna snap and then you have to go singlespeed.

if you could accurately align it without tool they didnt make the tool. Your options are eyeballing it, getting a tool or going to a bikeshop

Get a new one is better.....One day i was like you, and then in some descending my rear deraileur deform....................

There's lots of older freewheels (Atom Zeus Regina) that ALWAYS require You to remove the axle. He's using some cheap FW tool, not the Park, or Shimano one that should clear a 17mm locknut.

Bili ka ng bago!

Amfear Liathmor very true, but the axle is much better supported by a cassette hubs, which makes it harder to bend an axle

exactly, i have seen a few snapped freewheel axles because of the poor bearing positioning. 7 speed will probaly last longer than 10 speed because of wider spacing and thus stronger chain, not because its a freewheel. I dont think a 7 speed freewheel will last longer than a 7 speed cassette

@@thrjygdcmnbfdzfsa If using a loaded Touring bicycle then a solid heat treated 4130 cromoly axle would be a good idea, for general racing/training the better quality freewheel hubs such as 1980s Dura Ace, Super Record, Mavic rarely had axle problems. wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts/all-axles.html

@@ultiss A 7 speed Suntour Winner or Dura Ace MF7400 Freewheel or 7 speed Uniglide Cassette will generally last longer than a 7,8,9,10 or 11 Speed hyperglide cassettte. I recently purchased an Ultegra 10 speed Cassette (wanted to upgrade from 7 to 10 speed) and I was disappointed at the quality even compared to the cheaper Ultegra 9 speed Cassette.

Don't worry, with a freewheel you will bend or break the axle first.

You can remove a Shimano free hub easily

Chjfhd Dhdhhdh No, it's the same compatibility problem as with putting freehub+casette on a freewheel hub. And there's also no reason to do that (unless you're building a very vintage bike).

no

Is it worth upgrading from freewheel to cassete? I have a Giant Atx 2 2018

@@chjfhddhdhhdh8137 Yes, better hubs and better cassettes....

No, you can't.

I find free hubs pretty bad. Not only they are outdated but due to the distance between the bearing and the bike frame they always get bent over time even in normal use.

there is a lot of advantages such as the ball-bearing, being more optimal located in a cassette... but this fool couldnt even remove a freewheel without removing the axle FLMAO.... so he was just comedy relief

Cassette hubs have the right side bearings farther out. On a freewheel hub the axle is unsupported and breaks/bends much easier. Also, since the ratcheting part is part of the "disposable" freewheel, they cut corners on it. Better cassette hubs have much nicer ratcheting action.

Oh God.

@@Sydney-Ghumo I hadn’t known, I already ordered a cassette not knowing the difference. I since ordered a whole new wheel to be able to use a cassette

@@chrissr318 hahaha same here. Damn

@@thebbb. yes I know, but in the vídeo he say that's a 8 gears freewhell and that thing doesn't exist

Actually they are even 9speed freewheels but they are kinda pricy

@@Quimerateck really? Don't know it!

@@javito810 sunrace make's 7 8 9speed freewheel and i think i saw a 10 speed one

@@Joshuaqn 8 speed freewheels have been around since the early 90s, predating ebikes by a long way

you need replace the hub with free hub

We have alloy wheel with integrated hub of free wheel. Is any option available to upgrade cassette without changing wheel coz same alloy wheel is no more available.

Yes. the long axle on a 10-speed freewheel could easily bend or break as the bearings of freewheels are on the inside of the hub opposed to modern hub design where the bearings are on the outside. Same is valid for 8-speed freewheels, so these axles broke more oftenly then the shorter 7-speed axels.

Change your hub to cassette type hub and change cassette

If Your bike came with a freewheel (probably a very cheap bike), and you're riding hard enough to need to switch, then You should upgrade Your whole bike.

Hello, first you can't change to drop bars, it's possible but extremely expensive and pointless because the geometry will change, second regarding the drivetrain, stick to what you have because you need to change the rear hub to get smaller gears. My advice is to stick to it for now and when you want to upgrade, save your money and buy the escape 2 or a merida speeder, or crossway, the cheaper ones are alright, maybe when you have enough money find a good second hand bike and trade it, and if you fancy drop bars but affordable, you can look at triban 100 or 120

That's me just now

It's me rn. I bought a SS thinking I'll keep the maintenance low and I'm not that into it anyways. Now I'm really into it and I don't think anyone makes a SS with a freehub...🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

the freehub does the sound not the casette

Free wheel is essentially the cogs and hub stuck together all in one, free hub is the name of the hub where the cassette sits on

Where?

@@travelpackgamerz vitus nucleus

I only watch this guy to amuse myself by watching how many mistakes and subjective opinions he passes off as facts.

@Giuliano Skywalker Yes, there are a lot of opinionated, know-it-all RU-vidrs but this guy really sets a very very high standard for them 😁

In my country lace new rim on hub costs only 4$and new rim about9-10you are right building wheel is cheaper then buying whole

But when you have a freewheel in 2019, it means almost automaticaly that you have a rubbish rim as well. But ok, I get what you mean and wouldn't complain about that it's cheaper to rebuild the wheels. Just when you're already upgrading such thing like hubs, replacing rims too would be something I would highly consider at least.

@@jeskli11 alu rims are alu rims, double, of course. I can't imagine what could be wrong with them. And no, my bike wasn't new, it's pretty old,actually. But I got what you are saying. The rims on my wife's bike (with a freewheel), which was much newer than mine,were really pretty bad,not even double. Still got a decent deal on used Maverick wheels with Deore hubs - 25 euros for both, in good condition. That could also be considered an upgrade-the result is the same. She now has a cassette just like me and even for less money!

Why would you change the front wheel?? I have upgraded my rear wheel from 7v freewheel + V-brakes + single wall to freehub + 8v cassette + (V-brakes + 6 bolt disc brakes) + double wall for 40€ wheel + 12€ cassette

@@JorgeAlvarez-ex3vs Well, in fact, it wasn't necessary, not at all. I could simply do it your way. But I just like to have everything of the same type :)

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"supermarket" type bikes will always have freewheel, until the world's end i think :D

Same here. My uncles bike from 19XX(city/touring bike) has a 7spd cassette

See the comment above ;)

@@cannondany wow I didn't know it could go up to 10 speed

Freewheel hubs are terrible. I'd rather have a 7 Sp. cassette, than break axles all the time with freewheel no matter how many gears they have.

when does that happen

no you dont, the freehub body can easily be removed and replaced with a new one....and they don't break easily either...if you know how to service a cup and cone bearing this is child's play and costs you 10-20 bucks. Freewheels are an outdated and technically inferior design, simple as that. But if you like bent axles, have at it.

He left that out, bashing the tech he doesn't like, and showing you the wrong way to remove it as well.

Cassette is heavy and expensive ...

@@haleemseleem4691 i am a big fan of the free wheel !