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The China-Vietnam War of 1979 (Made Simple) 

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In this video, Mr. Mitchell will help you understand what happened in the China Vietnam War of 1979. Beginning with the context of the Sino-Soviet split, the video explores four key factors in the leadup to the war that include the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and Deng Xiaoping's rise to power. With Mao Zedong backing Pol Pot and Deng Xiaoping continuing this support, any action against Cambodia was likely to be met with a swift Chinese response.
After looking at the context, the video explores the nature of the war including China's attempts to lure Vietnamese forces out of Cambodia to defend towns like Cao Bang and Lang Son. It will also look at the aftermath of the war and how the to navigated their competing interests over what remained of Pol Pot's Cambodia.
If you liked the video, don't forget to leave a like on this video and don't forget to leave a comment with who you think won this war: China or Vietnam?
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@JumpingWatermelons
@JumpingWatermelons Год назад
Probably should have noted that Vietnam were 100% the good guys related to invading Cambodia. That invasion/war was one of the most humanitarian and needed invasions in the last few hundred years (even though the motivation for Vietnam doing it might have been merely border security)
@Chemicalkinetics
@Chemicalkinetics Год назад
Considering how messed up Cambodia was, anyone invading Cambodia is the good guy. Now, for China to punish Vietnam for this invasion, put China on the wrong side in the history (not the first nor last time)
@ttuny1412
@ttuny1412 Год назад
@@Chemicalkinetics USA was on the wrong side also because they condemned the Vietnam invasion.
@saretgnasoh7351
@saretgnasoh7351 Год назад
@@Chemicalkinetics USA also was on the wrong side of the history because U.S. support and funding the Khmer Rouge guerrillas. It was "pivotal" to keeping the organization alive to USA, and was in part motivated by revenge over the USA defeat during the Vietnam War. Even USA keep support the seating of Pol Pot's "democratic Kampuchea" regime in the United Nations in 1980.
@HaTran-on4dj
@HaTran-on4dj Год назад
No fucking way Vietnam has ever been the good guy. That would mean the whole UN and US were bad guys because they supported the Khmer Rogue and China (after the punishing Vietnam)
@Willys-Wagon
@Willys-Wagon Год назад
Vietnam did not invade Cambodia for Humanitarian relief. No sovereign government will put the welfare of other nations above their own
@HoangTran-wu6se
@HoangTran-wu6se Год назад
Never forget the atrocities Pol Pot committed against his own countrymen and Vietnamese along the border, he's not considered one of the most murderous dictators in the world, on par with Hitler for no reason.
@cashewnuttel9054
@cashewnuttel9054 Год назад
Why hasn't Australia or Canada ever had a Pol Pot?
@HoangTran-wu6se
@HoangTran-wu6se Год назад
@@cashewnuttel9054 I’m confused, what kind of a question is this?
@ravenouself4181
@ravenouself4181 Год назад
@@cashewnuttel9054 Let's see. Starting from a fairly hommogenous ethnic makeup, going to the fact that one is an island and the other only borders the strongest military power in history. Of course, we are not counting the genocides committed upon the Aboriginals and Amerindians. Then there is the fact that both were semi-autonomous parts of the British Empire until very recently, and technically still fall under the same head of state as the UK to this day.
@ravenouself4181
@ravenouself4181 Год назад
@@HoangTran-wu6se He's trying to insinuate that the reason why Pol Pot happened was due to Communism. Completely ignoring the fact that Vietnam was the only country to man up and put an end to his reign of terror.
@oliverjames8580
@oliverjames8580 Год назад
Hitler at least didn't kill his own people so Pol Pot was much worse
@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e
@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e Год назад
Imagine being a small nation like Vietnam that comes out (victorious) of a long brutal world against the most powerful military this world has ever known (the US), only to have to fight another significant military power a few years later. Just thinking about it is depressing as hell.
@hernanefrain6085
@hernanefrain6085 Год назад
Don't forget the French before they fought the Americans
@theodoreolson8529
@theodoreolson8529 Год назад
@@hernanefrain6085 and the Japanese before the French.
@tedwojtasik8781
@tedwojtasik8781 Год назад
@@theodoreolson8529 and then the French again before the Japanese, and the Chinese before them. Talk about a bum deal. Did Vietnam ever attack anyone? Nope, they were pretty much the good guys in every conflict they fought.
@mrbisshie
@mrbisshie Год назад
Meanwhile Thailand be like, pls don't notice us.
@Weinus
@Weinus Год назад
Well you can cheer right up, because China, Vietnam, and Cambodia are extremely close these days. Their governments have been successfully cooperating on all manner of fantastic transnational projects! :)
@easy_eight2810
@easy_eight2810 Год назад
My father told stories of my uncle who volunteered to fight in this conflict when he was just 18, being deployed in the 460th Regiment of the 338th Division that fought near the Bản Chắt border gate in Lặng Sơn. He came back home after the initial conflict, showed no fear and was eager to share his stories with my grandparents and his brother and sisters. So he returned again for duty only to be KIA during a reconnaissance mission in 6/11/1979 after stepping on a mine. He was an energetic, kind and brave man which made it devastating for his family to see him passed so early, especially my father. Due to the loss of his left leg during an accident, he struggled throughout life and was often bullied so my uncle was there to defend him. With his passing, my father had to be stronger, independent to be able to have success and raise his own family, though even till this day, he hasn't forgot his big brother.
@liryan
@liryan Год назад
My parents have friends who fought on the Chinese side. The country was just out of the Cultural Revolution and there were no proper training for that batch of the soldiers, and fighting with an army who just finished fighting with the US was extremely difficult. A friend of my mom was injured with a bullet piercing through his arm without damage to his bone. His squadron leader made it clear it's best for him to go back without registering as officially injured. Initially he thought it's unfair and was quite unhappy. Later he realized that the state owned employers don't like to hire "handicapped veterans". He became a official in the Department of Agriculture and his career benefited from being a veteran without injury. Their cohort of veterans are the forgotten generation in China too - this is a war that barely get mentioned in any textbooks.
@zealandia5668
@zealandia5668 Год назад
​​@@liryan My mum's high school classmate also fought for China in this war. He didn't die on the battlefield, but he died when his armoured vehicle hit a land mine when they were returning home. What a sad story.
@Chinacommunist
@Chinacommunist Год назад
My father was on the Vietnamese side in 1981. He has ptsd from this, a night during rain he would have episodes. He would never talk about where he was deployed, but he told me that he came to war at 17 forced by his father a Vietnam War Veteran abusively. He told me the friends he made in the army were about 10. 12 people were in his group. 3 of those people made it out alive, it was my dad, his last friend and the commander. They are still friends today, the commander passed away 4 years ago. They never talked about the war with cambodia. It was only brought up during deep moments when they were rethinking of own times. I overheard him saying he was sad that his friend that used to do pranks with him never grew old but died at 19 being shot in the eye and the shoulder. It was morbidly true. Both of them drinks over calls as my dad lives in America and his friend who he usually calls the dumbass lives in Vietnam.
@dieglhix
@dieglhix 9 месяцев назад
@@liryan And I am from here... the other side of the world. Chile, studying this war. I have studied Khmer Rouge a lot. Thanks for your comments! It's very interesting to know detailed stories here.
@dieglhix
@dieglhix 9 месяцев назад
@@Chinacommunist Reading about these stories I have came to conclussion that traumatized veterans never talk about war, regardless of culture. I am glad that Vietnam is now thriving and a safe, peaceful place. Cheers from Chile
@JumpingWatermelons
@JumpingWatermelons Год назад
If you ask any Vietnamese person about why they aren't so keen on China, what was discussed in this video is only a really small part of their answers. The first thing they will bring up is, I forget how long exactly but perhaps like a thousand years of skirmishes, wars, and 'occupations'
@zondor8123
@zondor8123 Год назад
Ever since china first dynasty to be exact, since then Vietnamese ancestors can't do anything but got occupied
@dannywang4673
@dannywang4673 Год назад
You can say the same on Mexican - USA opinion. Only difference is the time, 1000 years is crazy. Both Vietnam and China should be proud of that.
@youarebeingtrolled6954
@youarebeingtrolled6954 Год назад
Viet used to be written with chinese characters😂
@brians9508
@brians9508 Год назад
@@dannywang4673 Proud of it? I don't understand.
@brians9508
@brians9508 Год назад
@@youarebeingtrolled6954 Chinese-like characters. Not Chinese characters.
@sharpshooter13ify
@sharpshooter13ify Год назад
It’s also worth noting that the Chinese and Vietnamese have had historically bad relations thanks to cultural histories and have had poor opinions of each other for years
@maiquanghuy8807
@maiquanghuy8807 Год назад
Guess why (hint: Chinese expansionism and thirst for control over the region that has been around for centuries)
@-_XD
@-_XD Год назад
@@maiquanghuy8807This. Vietnam only wanted to live in peace but those greedy Chinese bastards kept invading us over and over again for thousand years.
@mikebeatty7814
@mikebeatty7814 Год назад
Dated Vietnamese woman and she did not have anything good to say about the Chinese.
@-_XD
@-_XD Год назад
@@mikebeatty7814 It runs in our blood bro. Many Westerners have misconception that Vietnam and China are brother-alike countries. Hell nah they been enslaving our ancestors for eternity 💀
@kyluu9731
@kyluu9731 Год назад
@@mikebeatty7814 even Chinese living in south Vietnam did not have anything good to say a bout China
@Huy-G-Le
@Huy-G-Le Год назад
My family studied in University of Kiev in 1960 in Soviet Ukraine, and fought in the North Vietnam army to liberates my country from colonial powers and Fascist, so screws you all. What people don't get is, there was era in China which switch diplomatic tides because of economic policy. Putting it's simply, Mao Era China support North Vietnam and the resistance against the US colonial recycle puppet that is South Vietnam government in South Vietnam. It's was China that helps North Vietnams to builds some of the first industrial centers, including setting for the first SKS factories. The Soviet direct involvement came latter, and there were factions in the Socialist Vietnam party that support China, and are Maoist, and other support Soviet Union, and are Leninist. However, in the 1970. China switch their neutrality as increasing influences in North Vietnam drops, as well Vietnamese Socialist been overwhelming identify with Leninist than Maoist line of thought, as well as China, understand that, as a agrarian society transition to an industrialize society alone isn't a good ideas, so it's open up economic tides with the US, letting some private interest in setting up productions and benefits themself through China labors and resource, in the many Special Economic Zones. However, because of the Sino-Soviet split, which see Maoist against Leninist, One being Maoist are more focus on the benefits of one owns country and Leninist are open for the benefit of all working class internationally (Very few Westerner understand this facts, they just wrote the generic "farmer" quote without any understanding). In order to limits Soviet Influence in East and South East Asia. China withdraws it's air defense, the USA have a bigger ranges to station aircraft and bombs Vietnams, as well as China withdraws weapons and troops support from Vietnams. Furthermore, the Cambodian Socialist party, was taken over by a specifics factions, knows as the Khmer Rouges after Pol Pot purges all other leading members, and subsequently got into contact with the CIA, because the guy was no Socialist, he was an ethno-Nationalist, same as the thousands of Fascist Ukrainian hiding in the ranks of Soviet Ukraine. But China didn't knows that this was unfolding. So when they invades Vietnam in 1979, as response to Vietnam invade Cambodia earlier to kicks Pol Pot a years earlier for commit genocides of the Vietnamese ethnic groups living in Cambodia as well as invade Vietnam, and the Socialist Vietnamese government was suspecting that there was a coups in the Socialist Cambodian party.
@breezywarhead8489
@breezywarhead8489 Год назад
Your extreme socualist ideal is a joke in vietnam plus US withdraw from vietnam in 1973/1974 after signing truce treaty with north and south vietnam until north vietnam broke their promise to invade the south when all US military withdraw. US didnt win the war. They left vietnam due of treaty. How does it feel about china conquered vietnamese islands and taking huge space of Vietnamese water border in south china sea?
@loomhigh
@loomhigh Год назад
maybe the real winner was the friends we made along the way
@Mr_M_History
@Mr_M_History Год назад
Deng Xiaoping and Le Duan: friends since Summer Camp of 79
@loomhigh
@loomhigh Год назад
@@Mr_M_History we always speak of the summer of 69, but the real times were had in the summer of 79
@L_Train
@L_Train Год назад
Booooooooooooo!
@battleriteroyalevietnam8447
@@Mr_M_History Le Duan is aware of this attack even before Deng xiao ping rose to power. He was show disappointed with Liu Shao Qi for quite sometime when they meet. But CPC wont stop their ambition of taking Vietnam under their command rather than Soviet. Vietnam try to ease the tension between these two but its no help. around this border war. Us make pact with China because they want an enemy for Viet Nam. Which resulted in China support Pol Pot regime and pressing border to help khmer rouge. And the after math is an open relationship between China and US.
@TwilightDawn193
@TwilightDawn193 Год назад
ye
@lebien4554
@lebien4554 Год назад
The border war technically stretched for up to 12 years until 1991, with both sides conducting sporadic, small-scale raids and shelling against one each other. The only exception was the Vi Xuyen front from 1984-1988, in which a reorganized Chinese army, with advanced technologies bought from Western countries (most notably 2 British Cymbeline counter-battery radars), launched a major attack and took control of the Laoshan hills. During these 12 years Vietnam was forced to stretch itself to the absolute limit, supporting both fronts of Cambodia and northern Vietnam, with limited help from a gasping Soviet Union, the supposed "Red eldest brother", despite both having agreed to a "friendship and cooperation" pact. It played a major role in modern Vietnamese diplomatic/defense strategy of non-alignment, no military alliance and self-reliance. They learned the hard way that they can not trust a foreign power to defend their country, be they the Soviet Union, or the United States.
@kaleidoscope3234
@kaleidoscope3234 Год назад
in the Soviet Union's defend, they were barely holding onto themselves, with their failures in Afghanistan and Eastern bloc countries leaving the Union. The fact they still continue to help Vietnam after all that is already a testament of how valuable Vietnam was to the Russian. The Russian may not be the toughest ally for Vietnam, but they are at least trustworthy. US's friendship on the other hand, usually come with an expiration date of 20 years, unless you pay them with inflation.
@DuyNguyen-sg7pw
@DuyNguyen-sg7pw Год назад
​@@kaleidoscope3234 well vietnamese people actually didnt blame the soviet, they just learn a hard lesson that you can not trust anybody except yourself. Nowaday people still have positive opinion on russia, even after the bloody mess in ukraine
@sirdickkickerthefirst9611
@sirdickkickerthefirst9611 Год назад
@@kaleidoscope3234 sure, but a fickle ally in the US is still far better than succumbing to Chinese interests. Most Vietnamese people actually like the USA and the vast majority absolutely despise the Chinese, so if WW3 were to happen we ( the Vietnamese) would most likely join on the side of the West. That is, of course, in the fantasy scenario where we don’t nuke each other to oblivion first.
@-_XD
@-_XD Год назад
@@DuyNguyen-sg7pwAnd that’s what messed up. When you would rather to side with the person who used to help you, but is now causing a bloody war to others. In other words, judgement by emotions instead of logic
@DuyNguyen-sg7pw
@DuyNguyen-sg7pw Год назад
@@-_XD well cant blame them. The ukraine torn down Lenin's statue and hatred toward their communism past just make vietnamese people dislike them, and their diplomatic spokeman in vietnam just pour oil in to the fire. Beside, a lot of people actually dont want or care about ukraine, they want the west (espcially the american) to lose. We seen a lot of hypocrist after the war broke out
@jessl1934
@jessl1934 Год назад
Vietnam 100% came off best out of this war
@Johnno2keating
@Johnno2keating Год назад
The maintained control of Cambodia, it’s clear they came out better off than China.
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
@badofi I teach Stinklish in Cambodia. About half of my students are racially from Vietnam. It's ridiculous to see a Siamese guy believe that Angkor is his heritage just 'cause his nationality is Cambodian. People don't know anything, in every country I've been to. The masses are blind and easily manipulated.
@dk.magic.mobile108
@dk.magic.mobile108 Год назад
The best Chinese soldiers are at northern China to defend if soviet attack China to help vietnam.Fight to vietnam army are not best Chinese soldier
@davidgibson3631
@davidgibson3631 Год назад
@@dk.magic.mobile108 really if China try to get those troop for that go war Vietnam . Russia and Vietnam will attack and strike just like Nazi Germany in 1945 and USA they happy to see that Hong Kong still in UK today
@nooonanoonung6237
@nooonanoonung6237 Год назад
No? Destroyed industrial base, embargoed by most of the world (for stopping a genocide), over 100k deaths. China got billions of Western money pouring in (for supporting a genocidal regime), Deng Xiaoping got to reform the army because of how much of a shitshow this was.
@baoninhtruong9208
@baoninhtruong9208 8 месяцев назад
In fact, Vietnam can withdraw its troops after chasing Khmer Rouge to the Thai border. If America and China, Thailand and their allies had not supported Pol Pot, the war would have ended in 1979. America and China simply wanted Vietnam to get bogged down in Cambodia. They were successful and it took 10 years for Vietnam to withdraw its troops.
@thesonngo9061
@thesonngo9061 3 месяца назад
Vietnam withdrawn because they thought that the new cambodia is strong enough to defend against the khmer rouge
@brentlackey5787
@brentlackey5787 Год назад
Loved all of the context explaining the background of the war. Too often people will jump right into the war and not fully explain why it happened. Great vid!
@Mr_M_History
@Mr_M_History Год назад
Thanks as always Brent! Really appreciate all the kind feedback!
@angelbeats316
@angelbeats316 Год назад
He don't fully explain why Vietnam attacked Cambodia
@angelbeats316
@angelbeats316 Год назад
Wait what? Vietnam invaded Cambodia? You don't mention the reason why Vietnam attacked Cambodia. A lot of Vietnamese citizen near border were killed by pol pot before Vietnam attacked and that is the reason why Vietnam attacked Cambodia.
@williamvu714
@williamvu714 Год назад
Yeah there's some real bad blood. Have family on both sides and the grandparents still alive are still raw about it. Three sides of every story. Each side and the outside observation that can have a bias....
@user-or1bq1xn6r
@user-or1bq1xn6r Год назад
等等,中国进攻越南,你为什么不提越南接受了中国大量的援助却迫害45万中国人。中国和越南的借口是一样的。
@vpham3554
@vpham3554 Год назад
@@user-or1bq1xn6r ôi nhưng có ai chết không , không có , bên việt nam có không , có và hàng nghìn người
@vpham3554
@vpham3554 Год назад
@@user-or1bq1xn6r nói dối thì cho thông minh vào chứ nói thấy logic nhưng thiếu bằng chứng về sự so sánh ngu xuẩn của bạn
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
​​@@user-or1bq1xn6r What the exactly was the 'persecution' Vietnam committed against Chinese Vietnamese can you tell me?! You Chinese are so lame!
@sometoad4052
@sometoad4052 Год назад
Here’s some correction: the 300,000 troops pulled back into Vietnam were the ‘main’ ground forces, sent to defend Hanoi. Most of the forces who engaged the Chinese were border guard troops and militias/guerillas. Edit: 389,000 troops, thx commenter
@Mr_M_History
@Mr_M_History Год назад
That is absolutely true! Sorry I can see how the video came across as suggesting that they went to defend the Northern border
@brucelee5576
@brucelee5576 Год назад
@穆黑保素姛议员 Are you referring to 1978 ? Because the Vietnamese main army was in Cambodia and 240,00o Chinese went up 50,000 militias 1/2 were women, get your history together buddy.
@brucelee5576
@brucelee5576 Год назад
@badofi I can send you links if you like , but is really common knowledge at this point, you can find it yourself, you’ll find plenty of information including lots of documented pictures as well.
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
HANoi HAN Chinese HANgul KHAN (Genghis) Probably more examples of this recurring theme.
@sometoad4052
@sometoad4052 Год назад
@@scintillam_dei Ha Hoi, named after a river. But y’know, the north Vietnamese accent is like the Irish accent of English (it might as well be Chinese or it’s own language)
@codyandrex152
@codyandrex152 Год назад
0:00 I love that you encourage your students do that exercise. Not only does it give them a sense of geography, but also give them a global view on geopolitics as to which countries have what interest in relation with others.
@brucelee5576
@brucelee5576 10 месяцев назад
Vietnam fought the Japanese French Americans Cambodians Chinese Back to back to back to back to back , No big deal. They are Tough Cookies and yet so kind. If Vietnam was a person they would be the perfect friend everyone would be glad to have.
@nguyendang1450
@nguyendang1450 Месяц назад
thx man we appreciate it
@micholitzia5726
@micholitzia5726 Месяц назад
Perfect friend that fights everybody?
@brucelee5576
@brucelee5576 Месяц назад
@@micholitzia5726 You rather a friend that screams while y’all getting jump.
@anhducmata
@anhducmata Месяц назад
@@micholitzia5726 Let's think about who started the war! Pol Pot Kill Vietnamese and invaded Vietnam first, and China started the war first
@quynhong548
@quynhong548 4 дня назад
aww thankyou so much
@tim4570
@tim4570 Год назад
My uncles served in both conflicts, one got sent to fight the Chinese while the other got sent to Cambodia for 2 years, he always talked about how hungry the people were, even now it never left him how horrible Pol Pot treated Cambodians
@tritium1998
@tritium1998 11 месяцев назад
Well the Viets were in Cambodia before to help Pol Pot get into power.
@tim4570
@tim4570 11 месяцев назад
@@tritium1998 Yeah, to spread Stalinist communism. But no one knew that Pol Pot intended to follow Marxism to the letter (Well except maybe China who supported him). But unlike most countries like the US for example, we went back to fix our mistake.
@dieglhix
@dieglhix 9 месяцев назад
@@tim4570 So Stalinist communism is basically a hippie version of Polpotism?
@Mortablunt
@Mortablunt 6 месяцев назад
What Vietnam did in Cambodia is basically what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
@namchau7712
@namchau7712 6 месяцев назад
@@tritium1998it was not Vietnam who helped Cambodia , it was China , Vietnam had been doing war with America and allies since 1955 😒 wonder why both Pol Pot and China attacked Vietnam at the same time from furthest point of our homeland ?. 🤓🤓
@auntiecastrate1592
@auntiecastrate1592 Год назад
I know an elderly person who passed away 19 years ago and was the Secretary of the Political and Legal Affairs Commission. I often drank with him in high school. When he was young, he assisted Vietnam as an artillery and Soviet military. He told me that China was very poor at the time, and many people couldn't eat enough. However, we provided almost all the best weapons and food to support Vietnam, and sacrificed many soldiers and technicians. After the end of the Vietnam War, the ambitions of the Vietnamese authorities expanded, and at this time, the Soviet Union was also eager to move towards Afghanistan. The socialist camp experienced serious divisions, and some people became ambitious conspirators. China once had the same problem, but although Mao Zedong was some muddled in his later years, he was still very clear about the big issues and did not allow the Lin Biao Group to usurp power and restore diplomatic relations with the United States.
@user-nc3iz8re8k
@user-nc3iz8re8k 5 месяцев назад
毛主席没有一点糊涂
@anthon_tmk9788
@anthon_tmk9788 Год назад
To be honest the destruction inflicted on northern Vietnam's industrial capability (which was built with Soviet and Chinese support) greatly hampered Vietnam's capability to expand in Indochina while opening up Chinese economic reform and improving her tie with the West so I think it's a win for China. The continuing border wars that happened right after also kept the Vietnamese from their own economic reform and development. Thus the geopolitical landscape of Indochina was changed entirely by this war. The Vietnamese "won" the war cause the Chinese retreated. But the Chinese won on the strategic level.
@cuongle7990
@cuongle7990 Год назад
The damages China inflicted during the border conflict was actually very limited, since the PLA never did manage to penetrate deep into the Red River Delta where most of northern Vietnam's production are located. The border regions they did manage to occupy had almost zero industrial capacity at that time since they're located in mountainous terrain. Most of the infrastructure that was destroyed was transportation, since those regions served as trade hubs into China, which was no longer relevant by then. My uncle served in the army at the time and in his opinion the occupation of Cambodia cost us a lot more than skirmishes with China.
@anthon_tmk9788
@anthon_tmk9788 Год назад
@@cuongle7990 Yeah the Chinese pull out rather quickly without further attacking Hanoi due to the fact that Deng Xiaoping's Goal was achieved. So I agree that the damage was within a controllable range. The real problem for Vietnam is the notion that it might be at war on two sides anytime the Chinese find it suitable.
@chester0608ye
@chester0608ye Год назад
@@anthon_tmk9788 Major troop of China was still in defense from Soviet Union.
@ex0duzz
@ex0duzz Год назад
Vietnam had to spend many resources, both in manpower and in economic terms to have to fight and defend against china, which could have been used for Vietnam's development. Even worse was it made an enemy of China and became an isolated international parish state for decades until it normalized relations with china. Being an enemy of china means Vietnam missed out on all the trade with their closest biggest neighbour, which is massive for a country like Vietnam. Just see how much Vietnam grows after it normalized relations with china and copied china's model and allowed Chinese investment and technology. Even more so that just economic, was strategic. Vietnam realized it can never become enemies of China, it will never end well for Vietnam and no one can or will save or help Vietnam. This was further cemented with continuing clashes including the Johnson south reef incident in 88, where china killed like 60+ viet navy and sunk multiple warships while china lost like 1 or something. Obviously all this has major repurcussions on Vietnam's current foreign policy with it's 3 or 4 nos policy, which is obviously to keep China happy, since Vietnam knows if it aligns with USA or Russia, China will not be scared and no one can protect Vietnam if China wants to teach Vietnam another lesson. So even if China lost 30,000 and Vietnam lost 30,000, in terms of things for China that short war was not worth mentioning, it did not affect chinas economy or anything at all, while it affected Vietnam badly like I said. During the whole time china normalized relations with USA and Chinas economy under Deng took off, unlike Vietnam's who became pariah and basically stagnant economy until it became friendly with China again.
@haiminh7630
@haiminh7630 Год назад
​@@chester0608ye imagine pulling the full forces then. Not only the Soviets would take chances at China and Vietnam by many times in history , hold off the sea of men. That would be much more embarrasing
@FightCommentary
@FightCommentary Год назад
My parents growing up had classmates who fought on the Chinese side of the Sino-Vietnam war. I heard lots of stories as a kid. My mom had a friend who got some kind of commendation for his accuracy when using artillery to take out bunkers. I remember a story about how when the Chinese side took over territory in Vietnam, they kept seeing rice rations from China. That made them so angry because many people in China couldn't even eat well and the Chinese government was sending food to Vietnam. It's beyond the scope of my channel, so I'll keep it at those two memories. Thanks for making this video. The Sino-Vietnam war is overshadowed by America's Vietnam war, so I'm always on the lookout for videos on the Sino-Vietnam war. Keep up the good content!
@khanhnguyen-tt3ff
@khanhnguyen-tt3ff Год назад
it do not being over shadow it on purpose cause both side look bad, and they support to communist allies.
@Mr_M_History
@Mr_M_History Год назад
Thanks so much bro! Very keen to check out the look of your channel. Crazy how you would have had that exposure to those stories as a kid!
@anthon_tmk9788
@anthon_tmk9788 Год назад
My uncle who fought in the war saw the Vietnamese using Chinese-supported flour as sandbags, which also made him furious. I doubted it till I see your story, now I'm convinced.
@clorkmagnus
@clorkmagnus Год назад
@@anthon_tmk9788 the Chinese government starve them not the Viet. If they decided to give ration to the Viet it’s the higher up problem. And it was not out of charity or anything, you guys have an old saying, the enemies of my enemies are my friend. It was an alliance but the Vietnamese want independence not a puppet regime and they were right since Pyongyang miserable state is clearly not what the Vietnamese wanted. Given China political and economic victory overall the Vietnamese also got what they wanted so they didn’t end up like Tibet, Myanmar and North Korea. And let be honest here, ethic Chinese in Vietnam ran away from China for various reasons and a ton of them ran away from CCP. If the Great Leap Forward and cultural revolution didn’t kill enough people for you to realize the government didn’t really care about the citizens I have no word. Or Tian An Meng 1989 for example. Why would they care about all those people running away from China. I talked to a few Chinese - Vietnamese and they don’t like CCP in the slightest. People are a combination of individuals, in reality you shouldn’t take thing on face value. CCP tried to take over Mongolia and they already messed up Myanmar atm. Put yourself in those people shoes you will understand how the Viet fought for the independence. It’s hypocritical that in one way you anger at the Japanese for Nan King massacre and in another you supported Pol Pot mass murdering regime. Nobody like to be bullied or killed. It’s basic logic apply to all people Chinese, Vietnamese or not. In the end, nobody should die for geopolitic bull shjt and racial status. They are relic of the past, you live in the 21st century. You have no reason to hate on someone you don’t even know let alone killing them while risking your life. It’s not like medieval time where technology can’t produce enough goods and food to survive, everyone should be able to enjoy life not die for those ambitious monsters.
@AlanNg.
@AlanNg. Год назад
Those are immoral lies. Invaders always justify their sins. We used to be so hungry that we had to eat grain that was only animal feed. There's no reason why Vietnamese waste food. Meanwhile, before the war, China cut back on aid. So it's not like we had a lot of food at that time.
@Vienna3080
@Vienna3080 Год назад
Idk whats worse China condemning the invasion of the Khmer Rouge or America condemning Vietnams invasion of the Khmer rouge
@trevormccarthy9019
@trevormccarthy9019 Год назад
It was the only the USA who tried to help the Cambodians fight off the Khmer Rouge
@paulohaulo3961
@paulohaulo3961 Год назад
China and USA are like two angry dogs barking at each other on different sides of a fence but don't realize they are more alike than they know.
@huynhvuongviet2410
@huynhvuongviet2410 8 месяцев назад
@@trevormccarthy9019I thought both USA and China support Khmer Rouge?
@trevormccarthy9019
@trevormccarthy9019 8 месяцев назад
If you look into it you will see that the US military actively supported the Sihanouk govt in its fight against the Khmer Rouge.. it wa sbasically the only help they got. ..it is however true that the US was concerned about the subsequent Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia as it still had Thailand as a neighboring ally and feared they wouldn’t stop there.@@huynhvuongviet2410
@legiahuy9436
@legiahuy9436 2 месяца назад
My uncle was a vet in this war fighting against chinese, in service from 1978-1982. My dad was also guarded the Northern border of Vietnam from 1989-1991. Lemme tell you that many people think the war was just lasted for 1 month (February 17th 1979 - March 16th) but there were still small conflicts across the entire northern border. My dad told me that when he was still in service the chinese sometimes will fire artillery shells into our land and called that a “missed fire from training”. Some nights the Chinese will secretly move the fence border deep into our land about some 10 or 100 meters and we just move the fence back to the original place and some more dirty tricks that the chinese used. It’s been happend like that until in 1991 we and the China government decided to normalize relationship and those small conflicts met an end. Now let’s talk about the conflicts on sea
@wangbuhai
@wangbuhai 27 дней назад
将篱笆移动 10 米,就像一个农民想象一个皇帝用金锄头工作。你缺乏想象力。你知道移动整个边界围栏的困难吗?只移动一个栅栏有什么意义?你应该去边境观察它
@EmotionalParaquat714
@EmotionalParaquat714 25 дней назад
@@wangbuhai “Little Pinks”
@felixjacket9379
@felixjacket9379 Год назад
Correction at 7:05 shenzhen is a city in china, area highlighted shows guangdong province
@domnikoli
@domnikoli 6 месяцев назад
ho chi minh often said that the Vietnam war with the US was a tragedy of diplomacy and he greatly desired friendship with the US, even expected it as they fought for their freedom in a similar fashion against station troops. Once the war was over, they went right into diplomacy again with the US.
@rosanero5250
@rosanero5250 5 месяцев назад
As an American I can say fighting Ho Chi Minh was a great mistake and a true tragedy
@vu34568
@vu34568 5 месяцев назад
HAVE SOME SIMPLE NOTES: 1. Cambodians asked the Vietnamese to help them eliminate Polpot troops. Pol-pot troops did horrible things. So Vietnamese are good guys. 2. America had a war with Vietnam so they supported Polpot troops at that time. But why did China help the pol-pot by attacking Vietnam though they used to help each other as communists? -->The answer is: China turned to America due to their deal 'USA helps China develop its economy' and now we have the 2nd economy in the world
@user-fk2qi8ki8y
@user-fk2qi8ki8y 6 месяцев назад
The border conflict I am referring to is the violence that occurred when Vietnamese border troops drove away Chinese border residents. Before 1976, China-Vietnam relations were very friendly, which made the demarcation of border areas between the two sides not detailed enough. After 1976, Le Duan chose to be completely close to the Soviet Union and fight against China. In addition to expelling ethnic Chinese, Chinese residents in border areas were also violently expelled, burned and pushed into their houses, and military facilities were built on a large scale in border areas. I think these are not mentioned in the history books of Vietnam
@Jameshesnandes
@Jameshesnandes 5 месяцев назад
Who said?
@user-fk2qi8ki8y
@user-fk2qi8ki8y 5 месяцев назад
@@Jameshesnandes ?
@user-nc3iz8re8k
@user-nc3iz8re8k 5 месяцев назад
​@@JameshesnandesThis is indeed one of the important reasons. Vietnam had Soviet supporters who did some bad things to the people on the Chinese border. There was also Soviet support in this war.
@thong_dong
@thong_dong 4 месяца назад
Người trung quốc ở Việt nam nhưng lại thờ Mao ,không chịu đổi quốc tịch và họ sẵn sàng ủng hộ trung quốc. LÊ DUẨN cho họ cơ hội làm Người Việt nhưng họ không chịu thì cút về nước thôi
@richardblommaert9250
@richardblommaert9250 10 месяцев назад
Our misadventure in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia was driven by the mistaken theory that a unified socialist Vietnam would lead to a "domino effect" with the PRC holding sway over southeast Asia. It ignored the fact that Vietnam and China are historic adversaries.
@ElliotBastian-ic6ol
@ElliotBastian-ic6ol 8 месяцев назад
Great video, I subscribed
@nijadbahnam9859
@nijadbahnam9859 Год назад
War is worst Darwin system . Vietnam fought several enemies for decades including Japanese, French , US and chinese meaning they had a bunch of hardened veterans and enough war experience to improve how to effectively deal with invaders .
@M16A1-nw4jy
@M16A1-nw4jy Год назад
There were also South Vietnamese ARVN veterans that took part in the invasion as well, although they were of coarse a minority
@mi6secrectservice
@mi6secrectservice Год назад
win or lose I don't know but Vietnam is badass country. She kicks not only USA but also China ass.
@risingstar9903
@risingstar9903 Год назад
And in…I mean liberate Cambodia
@NguyenHuy-he2nd
@NguyenHuy-he2nd Год назад
Dont forget the Mongols , French and japan
@clorkmagnus
@clorkmagnus Год назад
@@risingstar9903 what were they supposed to do? US let Thailand house Pol Pot on their border and China kept resupply them. You expect Hunsen and his people to fight Khmer Rouge? They already killed 20% Cambodian at that time, the Viet occupation was the best deal available for them realistically speaking and in the end they return the territory anyway. I don’t get it, is not dying and not having 1/5 of your relative die good enough? Look at fricking Myanmar. Thing is a disaster and their people trying to get rid of the CCP backed dictator military general.
@Dept246
@Dept246 3 месяца назад
France had control of Vietnam for 67 years. That’s a long time to be a puppet.
@user-fo9dm6zi2h
@user-fo9dm6zi2h Месяц назад
Vietnamese kick China's ass? LOL, if it hadn't been for the supply from China, the PLA would have hit Hanoi long time ago.😅
@dieglhix
@dieglhix 9 месяцев назад
Invading Cambodia was actually a necessary invasion. I use this as an example of why some invasions are humanistically necessary.
@user-jx5og4ww6r
@user-jx5og4ww6r 8 месяцев назад
人道和安全感一样都只是侵略与征服的借口而已
@ND-gn8tc
@ND-gn8tc Год назад
All I can say is that I'm grateful my uncle came back from the war, thus I have my cousins whom I love very much. The ego of the leaders brings so much needless pain.
@ChannelHypermach
@ChannelHypermach Год назад
Cambodia *was* invaded by Vietnam in the late 70's. Hands down. But the reason for this is because the Rouge soldiers committed massacres in the islands and fired things into the vietnamese territory. Vietnam retaliated and took down the Rouge, and set a new govt. up
@jimmyvan6817
@jimmyvan6817 Год назад
Then invade? Sounds more like Japan or German in WWII.
@S1lverarrow
@S1lverarrow Год назад
@@jimmyvan6817 Invaded after 3 attack by the Khmere Rough on VN borders teritories and failed attempt to reasoning with Pol Pot, Khmere Rough murdered Vietnamese civilains, some were buried alive. Cambodian government also openly raised a propoganda Campaign if every Cambodian kill 30 Vietnamese, they will win and successfully capture southern Vietnam which belonged to Khmere Empires few hundred years before, so every Khmere should join army and kill 30 Vietnamese. And Vietnam was not interested at capturing Cambodian territories or anything, only at removing Pol Pot regime and settle election inviting even anti-communists party of Cambodia to participate, which found asylum in Thailand after Khmer Rough took power in Cambodia. But if you find invation an absolutely negative thing than there is nothing that can convince you, Vietnam should just let the Cambodian keep killing Vietnamese in border area, like a rape victim should endure and enjoy the process. Before Vietnam decided to invade and remove Pol Pot regime they already conducted a quick and limited military operation after 2nd attack of Khmere Rough on their boder just to demonstrate strength, they ignored the first attack btw way. But Khemre Rough after quick defeat at the border and withdrawal of Vietnamese forces just come back and shell border villages killing more civilians. So the Vietnamese didnt woke up at the morning and decided it is good to invade their neighbour out of boredom, especially they had 2 devastating wars in a row against French then US, and were living on ruins. The Vietnamese "invading force" liberated hundred thousands victimes of Pol Pot regime from concentration camps, the infamouse "Killing Fields", feed them and help them rebuilding their country, then leave in peace, not taking an inch of land, so have some respect for their deed, they lost 130,000 people fighting Pol Pot and the Chinese, when wanted nothing but peace. Btw you know what the West did? Supported Khmere Rough both by providing them with weapons and media backup portraying Khmere Rough as brave resistance against Vietnamese invaders, no word about pyramids of skulls of their own people they murdered in "Killing Fields", no word about Vietnamese citizen murdered by Khmere Rough, the West was with China on this matter, they sanctioned Vietnam and later force Vietnam to allow Pol Pot to participate in election campaign for new Cambodian army, which ironically make Cambodain communists and anti-communists join force and kicked Pol Pot representative from Cambodia, he fleed on an UN helicopter the same day he arrived in Phnom Penh. But what I can say the West love dictators, like some people love to pet dangerous wild animals, to make them feel superior.
@Mortablunt
@Mortablunt 6 месяцев назад
Sounds like Russia finally getting sick of the Nazis in Kyiv and staging an intervention in Ukraine. ZOV!
@duongtanquocvietduong3824
@duongtanquocvietduong3824 6 месяцев назад
@@jimmyvan6817mày qua tấn công biên giới giết dân tao để yên cho mày ah.một lần nói không nghe nhiều lần thì tiêu diệt
@milanoxiel7853
@milanoxiel7853 2 месяца назад
Before we send soldiers into northern Vietnam, their soldiers has committed multiple attacks on the border region targeting the locals, kids and old people were murdered by their soldiers and schoolers was looted , that’s why we see this war as a punitive - preemptive self defense war
@VinhLe-fg7ik
@VinhLe-fg7ik 5 дней назад
Stop lie chinese .
@zze4240
@zze4240 День назад
不用太在意过去了,现在我们想作掉越南是分分钟的事,越南在各方面都跟我们差了十万八千里
@ucngocnguyen8938
@ucngocnguyen8938 6 месяцев назад
We have a thousand-year history of fighting against the Northerners, so there is no way we would be naive enough to build important factories on the Northern border. Most of them were built around Hai Phong, where the Americans destroyed a lot. The Chinese declared victory and told stories about sabotage just to cover up the humiliation of defeat. The Chinese attacked Vietnam mainly to relieve Pol Pot, but the Vietnamese still defeated the Khmer Rouge and stationed troops in Cambodia 10 years later. There is no victory for China. Vietnam's difficulties in developing in the 1980s were due to the embargo imposed by the United Nations led by the US and its allies. We have resistance to the Northerners in every cell.
@Willys-Wagon
@Willys-Wagon Год назад
The conflict was a tactical defeat for China, as they did not achieve their war goals. However it did expose Soviet impotence and served to diplomatically isolate Vietnam for the next two decades. What this piece should have probably covered is wider fallout within ASEAN, instead of being hailed as liberators of Combodia from genocidal regime, Vietnam was ostracised by her neighbours.
@wbg9670
@wbg9670 Год назад
A tactical failure? We just want to tear down all those factories in North Vietnam that we are assisting and make them invest more in the border war so they can't recover and rise again anytime soon. We don't care if they think they are the real winners.
@segelHoch
@segelHoch 11 месяцев назад
China's war goal is to completely remove Vietnam from the threat list, not to wipe the country off the face of the earth. At the very beginning of the war in 1979, the Central Military Commission received a plan from the top commander of the front line, Xu Shiyou, who planned to eliminate the Vietnamese front line troops by driving half of his advance troops through Laos into the narrowest part of central Vietnam. The plan was rejected after discussion.DengXiaoping, the head of the Central Military Commission, replied: 'Our goal is to teach Vietnam, not to destroy it. China's strategic goal was clear: to minimize the impact of the situation and to completely destroy the industries that had previously provided to Vietnam. It is hard to say who will win or lose this war, because at the beginning, China's characterization of this war is a drama, and this drama is played for Western countries. So you have a very strange phenomenon in that period, where a country can invade and not only not face sanctions, but also attract investment from the world. In the decade following the withdrawal of Chinese troops from Vietnam, troops in various parts of China gained experience on the Vietnamese border, until Gorbachev visited China in 1989, the drama had no audience, and China naturally signed a peace treaty with Vietnam. As for Vietnam, the war was devastating for them.
@user-uw1pg9iu3v
@user-uw1pg9iu3v 11 месяцев назад
China's intentions were not in Vietnam at all, apparently they have been reached, it is a secret cooperation between the US and China
@trinhduycuong1991
@trinhduycuong1991 8 месяцев назад
😂 các nước lớn họ nắm mọi lợi thế bạn biết đấy. Họ phải lấy lí do để chiến đóng hay xâm lược nươc khác. 😂
@Mortablunt
@Mortablunt 6 месяцев назад
Sounds like how people are misreacting to the Russian intervention against the Nazis of Ukraine. Directions are the good guys stopping a fascist government in the course of genocide, but good Ukrainian PR is somehow making the villain into the hero and the perpetrator into the victim.
@NeoNithin
@NeoNithin 3 месяца назад
Good video. Thanks Movie "YOUTH" (2017) Sino Vietnamese War 1979 COMBAT SCENES were used i found out. I am yet to watch the movie.
@nguyenquanghoc5085
@nguyenquanghoc5085 Год назад
There is one detail that needs to be adjusted: Vietnam did not invade Cambodia, because Pol Pot's forces crossed the Vietnamese border and killed more than 3,000 civilians, thus forcing the Vietnamese army to go to Cambodia to hunt down Pol Pot and his companions. time to help the Cambodian people. Because at that time the whole world abandoned the Cambodian people. More than 600,000 Chinese soldiers died during the invasion of Vietnam. You can confirm it by the Chinese people living along the border.
@ravenmusic6392
@ravenmusic6392 Год назад
This is false. The Chinese military records leaked to western sources confirm 25,000 Chinese deaths and some 33,000 Vietnamese
@electromega3077
@electromega3077 Год назад
What??? 600,000 Chinese soldiers KIA in three weeks of claches???? LOL, Dude, were the Vietnamese using tacticle nukes to eliminated all those Chinese soldiers in such short period of times? The official number of chinese soldiers participated in this conflict were 300,000 strong. Even if all of them were KIA, where the other 300,000 chinese soldiers KIA? Dude, u need to take some pills.
@rakatanlord1911
@rakatanlord1911 Год назад
How would they know? Did they count every corpse in body bags brought through their towns on the way back to China? And when the war was over they all compared notes and figured it all out? 600,000 is a ridiculous number. I don't like china at all but I'm not willing to throw logic out the window on that.
@user-zo5en8ix5q
@user-zo5en8ix5q Год назад
当没有中国人的时候,越南骗子总会乱说🤣👉
@haodeplorable266
@haodeplorable266 Год назад
Liar
@Ghe480
@Ghe480 Год назад
Think i read somewhere that the main reason why China invaded Vietnam in 1979 was mainly because Vietnam wanted to create an Indo China Federation comprising of Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos. This grouping would certainly be unacceptable to China. Thus this invasion. As currently now, Laos & Cambodia is strongly in China camp and Vietnam is isolated on own. This is why China bullet trains ran through from Southern China via Laos and through Cambodia later to be link with Thailand. USSR collapsed was mainly through stupidity on Soviets side. US manage to get China onto US side while Vietnam remains on Soviet side due to the Vietnam war. China siding with US tilted the struggle of the cold war to US resulting in 1991 breakup of USSR.
@nambui9254
@nambui9254 Год назад
Nah what you read is purely made up. Vietnam never wished to expand beyond its borders, the khmer rouge back then were the ones that initiated the conflict by attacking vietnamese villages. Vietnam even tried to resolve the tension using diplomatic channels but was ignored by UN so pol pot can continue his attacks, so vietnam decided that's enough and took up arms to get rid of pol pot and his goons, not because it wanted to become a SEA federation.
@user-zo5en8ix5q
@user-zo5en8ix5q Год назад
请问中国为什么要顶着苏联的威胁入侵越南?那段时间正是中苏交恶,苏联指使越南入侵中国
@user-zo5en8ix5q
@user-zo5en8ix5q Год назад
很少中国人中国人不会说话,你这个骗子太轻松了
@clorkmagnus
@clorkmagnus Год назад
Accusing Vietnam of imperialism mindset while occupying Tibet and tried to do the same with Vietnam and Mongolia is very projection. Let be honest here, the Chinese wanted their border countries under their influence, the US needed a new big Asia rival for USSR. Don’t need to bring moral here because it’s clear that both Chinese leaders and whoever the US presidents was lack those.
@user-qe3gc5wy8w
@user-qe3gc5wy8w 5 месяцев назад
Bro learned history from Mixue
@cartersmith8560
@cartersmith8560 Год назад
by early to mid 1973 we had solid intelligence that the Khmer Rouge were ambushing and attacking their VC/NVA allies
@davidm3118
@davidm3118 Год назад
Maoists have a habit of doing this - as well as slaughtering the civilians they were supposed to be "liberating". The Shining Path in Peru worked cheerfully with drug traffickers while killing off non-Maoists, Unita in Angola - led by the Chinese trained Jonas Savimbi - allied with South Africa against the MPLA , the Naxalites in India spent more time torturing and murdering peasants than fighting their oppressors and the Maoist Pan African Congress in South Africa killed as many ANC supporters as members of the Apartheid security forces!
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 Год назад
In my opinion, a good summary! Maybe you could also do a follow-up video on the background to why the USA and Vietnam became more friendly to one another, almost being unofficially allies today. Things like slowly becoming more capitalistic in the 80s and geopolitical pressures from China mentioned in the video. It's another ironic reminder that the Vietnamese always cared first and foremost about nationalism and independence over the ideology of achieving communism. I can't remember if Ronald Reagan visited or interacted with Vietnamese leadership during that time. Anyway just an idea!
@stratospheric37
@stratospheric37 Год назад
Not very true, Vietnamese still deeply care about communism as it was the ideology that made them so strong and durable, and they still care to maintain the form of socialism that they have currently. Their liberalisation reforms were pushed more so due to being forced to by sanctions.
@bavykieng7777
@bavykieng7777 Год назад
I guess fighting the Mongols, China, French, Japan, French, U.S.A., Cambodia makes you care about Communism, then I to am a Communist. Vietnam before any ideology is a culture and peoples that deeply love their identity in order to fight and preserve it. That is what makes any country sovereign.
@Ocelot835
@Ocelot835 Год назад
@@stratospheric37 I always have a little chuckle when start to think about it. The Viet Minh/Viet Cong/Socialist republic of Vietnam beated Japanese, French, Americans, Saigon's goverment, Red Khmers and Chinese asses just on their own and every single time was completley victorious. But the only enemy they couldn't defeat no meter what in the end was... THE INVISIBLE HAND OF MARKET!
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
The US is gay and truthphobic. Glad I left that shithole before the next civil war and WW3. Good riddance to it.
@taherbertolinirodrigues9104
To summarize, china, when expansionist, has always tried to subjugate vietnam, where as the war with the USA was more of a one time thing that most consider water under the bridge
@thomaskim3128
@thomaskim3128 Год назад
n the SinoViet conflict of 1979, the Chinese had limited objectives; occupying Vietnam was not one of them. The objectives were: 1. Punish Vietnam for invading Cambodia, and force Vietnam to withdraw from Cambodia. 2. Prove that the Soviet Vietnam alliance was a farce, and that the Soviet would not engage China directly on behalf of Vietnam. 3. Curry favor with the United States, in its nascent alliance with the USA, by taking on Vietnam and the USSR. There may be a couple more objectives, but I don't remember them off the top of my head. Of the three objectives listted above, China achieved objectives 2 and 3; China failed to force Vietnamese to withdraw from Cambodia. China could've taken Hanoi, albeit at a very high cost, which China wasn't willing to accept. Thus the scorch earth withdrawal. I think up to the present day, China keeps some Vietnamese border areas as buffer zones. That's how I understood the geopolitical significants of the Sino Vietname conflict.
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
Nah, why do you think number 2 was achieved?! China had only dared to stay inside Vietnam for 3 weeks, Vietnam-USSR alliance was for wars, not for banditry incursions. The USSR wasn't sure if China was serious about it and would dare to really have a war with Vietnam so she gave it some time and she was right! China ran home faster than she could finish yawning! LOL! And with a big loss too! In only three weeks, the treacherous snake had managed to lose tens of thousands! Like half of what the US did in 10 years in Vietnam! China-Pol Pot alliance was the farce here. Vietnam had stayed in Cambodia for a decade and picked up every last one of the Khmer Rouge, installed and stabilized the friendly government and only left when it was fully capable of defending itself and all China could do was barking and throwing mud from the sideline, inside its border. That's really pathetic! LOL! I agree China was successful with goal number 3 which was to prove to the new gang boss, the US, that it's a treacherous snake that could stab its comrades in the back like promised so it should be allowed to join the gang. Really great achievement though. It takes a very special kind! Only human scum could be able to do that!
@haochengzhai7156
@haochengzhai7156 Год назад
Vietnam won? you heard the video above gently say that China achieved a scorched earth policy. Do you know what that means. All of Vietnam's industries were in the north. So China can say destroyed all the industries in Vietnam😂 Including the northern farmland and domestic animals. Haha
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@@haochengzhai7156 China had only managed to advance a few tens of kilometers inside Vietnam and stuck in the mountainous area near the border. It was only able to destroy some railroads it built during the Vietnam War and some other small towns and villages of ethnic minorities in the area, maybe some cattle, cats and dogs. That could only show how petty and pathetic China is. There’s nothing else near the border area for China to ‘scorch’. In order to accomplish that, China had lost tens of thousands troops in just three weeks! LOL! China can definitely win any stupid contest! Vietnam’s industrial facilities were all built deep inside Vietnam’s interior. So China can’t destroy any of those. You’re such an ldiot!
@cuongle7990
@cuongle7990 Год назад
​@@haochengzhai7156 the PLA never managed to move pass the few border areas they occupied. They never reached the Red River Delta, which is where most of Northern Vietnam's productions are located. If you think Chinese burning up a couple of rural villages and tearing up some roads as 'destroying' Vietnamese industry then you're delusional 😂
@haochengzhai7156
@haochengzhai7156 Год назад
lol,Monkey
@BinhLe-bz2eu
@BinhLe-bz2eu Год назад
1979 China Vietnam War was China use Vietnam to gain economic relationship with United State and their allies. Why today China Communist Leader, Deng Xiaoping is consider to be mastermind to China economic success. Deng Xiaoping knew America resent Vietnam for their defeat in the Vietnam War. China also knew that Pol Pot and his Cambodia Khmer Rouge armies also hated the Vietnamese. In 1977, Deng Xiaping sent 15,000 Chinese military advisor into Cambodia helping Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge Armies perform border raid attack into Vietnam. Knowlingly this would provoke the Vietnamese government to retaliate against Cambodia. Vietnamese government sent a represenative to the Soviet Union Government asking for their support helping Vietnam remove Pol Pot and his Communst Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. When the Soviet Union government agreed their support Vietnam to remove Pol Pot and his Communist Khmer Rouge Armies out of Cambodia. On December 25, 1978, the Vietnamese armies launch their attack against Pol Pot and his Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. This is what Deng Xiaping wanted. So he can go to the US government and condem Vietnam invasion Cambodia when he was the mastermind of Cambodia Vietnam War. Just to show United State Democrat President Jimmy Carter that China will punish Vietnam for the invasion. On Februrary 17, 1979, 200 thousands Chinese troops cross into Northern Vietnam border and began their attack. But the Vietnamese armies were able to hold and push back the Chinese armies. The China Vietnam War continue on and in 1980 US government began open relationship, trade, and business with China. Transformer China into advance economic and military Superpower country in the World. What Ding Xiaoping had hopeful for China.
@richardpcrowe
@richardpcrowe 6 месяцев назад
I was on a tour to China about ten years ago. Our guide was a retired Chinese Peoples Army NCO. We discussed fighting in Vietnam and we both agreed that the Vietnamese were pretty damn good soldiers...
@McGuffin56
@McGuffin56 Год назад
I think one thing to also note that this video briefly covers is how Vietnam for most of it's history has essentially been at war against Chinese hegemony. With China always wanting to expand it's influence in both territorial acquisitions plus them tending to vassalize(lise?) their neighbors to increase their trade profits, Vietnam was constantly tacked onto their conquests in which they were one of the more noteworthy countries to fight back, constantly. One of the major reasons that Vietnam had to ally with China was at first their ideological alliance, and at the same time desperation against the French in acquiring material, otherwise, Vietnam never truly was completely on board with China as a major ally throughout the Vietnam war as we know it. Not to mention that the peace deal between North and South Vietnam (alongside the French) was largely sabotaged and/or swung to Chinese favor by Chinese ambassadors back at the end of the Indochina War. Which in many instances led to the US getting involved considering now there was a shaky geneva border between a "democratic" Diem ruled Vietnam vs Ho Chi Minh's north. Not a lot of amicableness between China and Vietnam up 'til now.
@davidemelia6296
@davidemelia6296 2 месяца назад
Oh yeah? What were THE FRENCH doing there in the first place? Or the Americans, for that matter? 🤣
@connormclernon26
@connormclernon26 Год назад
I’m going with Vietnam winning as they were able to avoid becoming a Chinese puppet
@smokinhalf
@smokinhalf Год назад
Or a french puppet or a u.s. puppet
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
@@smokinhalf They use Chinese lanterns. They us Latin script. They're puppets of everyone.
@superpowerdragon
@superpowerdragon Год назад
the chinese never wanted to make them a puppet to begin with, the Chinese wanted the islands, which they certainly got
@user-or1bq1xn6r
@user-or1bq1xn6r Год назад
中国人不想要傀儡,中国只是想保护柬埔寨。当然中国还是很爱越南的。
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@@superpowerdragon if China doesn’t want Vietnam to be its puppet , it wouldn’t get so mad when Vietnam refused to be on its side in the Sino-Soviet split. In fact, one of the reasons China stated itself was to ‘teach Vietnam a lesson’ because Vietnam didn’t listen to it. It cannot get any more apparent than that!
@trinhtrinh3826
@trinhtrinh3826 3 месяца назад
Hoa Kỳ đã sai lầm to lớn về chiến lược kinh tế ,quân sự khi kìm hãm và xâm chiếm đất nước Việt Nam nhỏ bé.Chỉ muốn hoà bình,có tư tưởng luôn cảnh giác Trung Quốc hàng nghìn năm lịch sử.Các nhà lãnh đạo Trung Quốc rất khôn khéo khi lợi dụng được Hoa Kỳ để phát triển kinh tế bùng nổ trong mấy chục năm trở thành cường quốc,âm thầm vươn mình sang đông nam á như Campuchia 1979 hoặc hiện tại mà không bị ngăn chặn.Mỗi đất nước Việt Nam nhỏ bé của chúng tôi luôn muốn hoà bình,độc lập,tự chủ, thì bị tứ bề kìm hãm thọ địch bởi các cường quốc 😢. Giờ Trung Quốc đã quá mạnh,vượt qua Hoa Kỳ và làm bá chủ thế giới chỉ tính bằng ngày 😂.
@MendAmar
@MendAmar Год назад
the map inaccuracies: 0:01 USA lost Alaska, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and some northern parts of India are part of China 0:14 most of Middle east is part of Africa 2:07 Mongolia is part of China 6:16 since the history was set in 1979, Russia and other former Soviet republics didn't exist, only the USSR
@oldleatherhandsfriends4053
@oldleatherhandsfriends4053 Год назад
What? Alaska is still very much a part of the United States and will stay that way for until the US is no more.
@MendAmar
@MendAmar Год назад
@@oldleatherhandsfriends4053 that is why I said map inaccuracy because in this video it shows that Alaska isn't part of US which is untrue
@catnip202xch.
@catnip202xch. Год назад
@@MendAmar 💀the map was prop a very brief one. No need to nitpick too hard
@masterchinese28
@masterchinese28 Год назад
The Spratly's fighting in 1988 is still a rallying point for the Vietnamese when it comes to issues of the South China Sea.
@bobevans9996
@bobevans9996 Месяц назад
not only scs is china's - whole pacific n half atlantic is china's n usa is on china's soil
@masterchinese28
@masterchinese28 Месяц назад
@@bobevans9996 Woah! Not so fast! Historically, Vladivostok is on what was part of Manchuria, which the Chinese claim because Manchuria once conquered China. During the Chinese explorer time, their ships went as far as Madagascar, so obviously they have claims to some, if not all, of Africa. They have so much historical injustice to correct before they can get to America!
@shizhaowei8126
@shizhaowei8126 Год назад
Didn’t finish the video, so…not sure if it mentioned the weapons the Vietnamese army were using, were mostly Chinese support for them to fight against the US and France. You can still buy the Type 85 rifle in the US nowadays, which is like a symbol of the vietnam war. Made in China.
@llongone2
@llongone2 Год назад
I know it's somewhat of an oversimplification to say so, but it also needs to be mentioned that China and the Soviet Union represented to different implementations of communism (since people raised in capitalist countries tend to view "communism" as one monolithic [and evil] entity). Cambodia just aligned more with China's implementation: as did Vietnam with the Soviet implementation.
@tritium1998
@tritium1998 11 месяцев назад
Pol Pot got into power with the Viets and maybe even the Americans there in the Vietnam War. If your books about him are true then he obviously wasn't industrializing like Mao did.
@Liuzhengcheng
@Liuzhengcheng Месяц назад
The Sino-Vietnamese War (also known by other names) was a brief conflict that occurred in early 1979 between China and Vietnam. China launched an offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia in 1978, which ended the rule of the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. The conflict lasted for about a month, with China withdrawing its troops in March 1979.
@congresswallah
@congresswallah Год назад
Huge respect for the VPA for defeating two world powers with just grit, determination and guts from 🇮🇳.
@aaradhyarawat7589
@aaradhyarawat7589 2 месяца назад
Let's be for real, it didn't defeat anyone but resisted with great morale as all the country and its citizens do, Vietnam and her citizens did it same. China did it to get USA's approval for becoming a good friend since China was extremely against Soviet Russia and USA did to stop spreading of communism, USA didn't lose either, they also withdraw from the war. The real winner was Deng Xiao Ping aka China.
@aaradhyarawat7589
@aaradhyarawat7589 2 месяца назад
You, being a person of Indian origin, now must think what your country will do because it seems to be going in similar situations.😂
@diegoflores9237
@diegoflores9237 Год назад
This is like when family members fight. An intra family conflict will always be more intense and passionate than a fight with an outsider. These rifts between global communism were more intense than their fight against capitalism.
@phobowl
@phobowl Год назад
Hmm no. China is not VN’s family. They’ve invaded us countless times over thousands of years. VN will never accept Chinese rule.
@kittyflier8338
@kittyflier8338 Год назад
That's only part of the story. The more important reason is the death of Ho Chi Minh. Ho was a very close friend and ally of China. After his death, Vietnam almost immediately turned to USSR.
@patreardan1727
@patreardan1727 6 месяцев назад
There's at least one additional motive from the Chinese perspective that would have been worth mentioning. Chinese have a reputation as a "middle-man minority" throughout southeast Asia. This is similar to the reputation of Indians in Africa, and Jewish populations throughout northern Europe. Prosperous ethnically Han (Chinese) minorities throughout SE Asia are often targeted for abuse for that reason. A substantial portion of the wealthy South Vietnamese population was composed of those same ethnically Chinese Vietnamese (in the US, about half of the Vietnamese American population is ethnically Han Chinese of Vietnamese background). With North Vietnamese victory, those remaining Han Vietnamese were forced into reeducation camps as per usual under Communist practice. The high proportion of ethnically Han Vietnamese in the reeducation camps smacked of a potential ethnic cleansing to remove ethnic Chinese from the Vietnamese population. This was probably not the main reason for the war, but it was also a known motive from the Chinese perspective. For reference - see "The Sino-Vietnamese Dispute over Ethnic Chinese" by Pao-min Chang (1982).
@michaelmullin3744
@michaelmullin3744 6 месяцев назад
Very educational
@genemartinez2833
@genemartinez2833 Год назад
Vietnam was the winner because they didn’t lose.
@ALBAHD
@ALBAHD 18 дней назад
Does not losing mean winning? First of all, you need to understand where the battlefield is and whose losses are greater. Do you think Vietnam also won the US Vietnam War?
@genemartinez2833
@genemartinez2833 18 дней назад
@@ALBAHD Definitely. They defeated South Vietnam and unified the country. They have become an ally of sorts to the U.S. against the Chinese and seem to be fond of individual Americans. How sad there had to be a war. Ho Chi Minh believed FDR would support their independence from France and I believe he was right. There would have been no Vietnam War for the United States had FDR lived.
@ALBAHD
@ALBAHD 18 дней назад
@@genemartinez2833 I don't think Vietnam is the winner in this war. Firstly, many people in Vietnam have lost their lives. Secondly, the battlefield is on the mainland of Vietnam, where Vietnam has suffered immeasurable losses in infrastructure and economy. Thirdly, Vietnam has not received any compensation
@rodgerbane3825
@rodgerbane3825 Год назад
My memory from following the news when this happened was that Vietnam beat China and did so pretty thoroughly.
@user-pj7ph6zn1q
@user-pj7ph6zn1q Год назад
No friend, you misunderstood. When the elbow, China and the US government have a good relationship, but the US government can't support it internationally. China wanted to give Vietnam a stern warning, so that at least China can be protected from war within 100 years.
@henryorcustus3412
@henryorcustus3412 6 месяцев назад
Great content. One major impact from the war was for China to start rapidly modernize its army. It was a wakeup call for the PLA as much of their equipment languished during the cultural revolution. Some unconfirmed reports would claim over 50% of armored vehicles failed to even reach the boarder. The impact of this war on China was very similar to the India-China war which pushed India to massively revamp its military.
@user-sm7lr1ok8j
@user-sm7lr1ok8j Месяц назад
想多了,中国军队现代化。很大程度来自美国的航母
@cool5420
@cool5420 Год назад
My father lived in Cao Bang during the Sino-Vietnamese war and told me how he flee into the jungle when Chinese Artillery bombarded Cao Bang
@wlewisiii
@wlewisiii Год назад
When I went to HCM city (aka Saigon) in 2002 to adopt my son in Phan Thiet, I met several veterans of the ARVN who had been in the re-education camps. When the Chinese invaded in 1979, they were offered the opportunity to defend their nation. If they survived, they would be allowed to go home. The men I knew, obviously, survived and went home after kicking the PRC out of Vietnam :) Years later my son would receive racist attacks from Native Americans. He shut them down with a simple question: Who's people actually defeated the Americans?
@johnhickman8391
@johnhickman8391 Год назад
The Vietnamese had been battling their north neighbors from antiquity.
@AkiraNakamoto
@AkiraNakamoto 6 месяцев назад
Deng and Mao fought Vietnam for totally different reasons. The principal reason for Mao is to save his best student, his buddy Pol Pot. The principal reason for Deng is to stake down something in order to join America-led western world. As a communist regime, America and its allies were suspicious about China's resolution. Deng wanted to prove it by a bloody battle with Vietnam, although it might help Cambodia a little bit, but that's secondary goal.
@wenbogousi
@wenbogousi 6 месяцев назад
波尔布特纯粹是个畜牲,我们的朋友是胡志明主席和西哈努克亲王!
@VinhLe-fg7ik
@VinhLe-fg7ik 5 дней назад
Exactly .
@tia.huynh36
@tia.huynh36 5 месяцев назад
There might be an element that played a part that lead to the war. In late 1970s, Chinese in Vietnam were forced to either change their citizenship to Vietnamese or "encouraged" to go back to China (if they stayed but kept their Chinese citizenship, they'd lose jobs and faced with discrimination) , leading to hundred thousands of Chinese moving back to China through the border. This absolutely stressed out the relation between two countries even more.
@tomashass9229
@tomashass9229 6 месяцев назад
I had an uncle who had served in the east german army as a Special reconnaissance Soldier. There were always rumors about him that he was some kind of military advisor in Vietnam during that war. But nothing is known for sure. But in any case, he received a vacuous Medal and money bonus at that time.
@user-nc3iz8re8k
@user-nc3iz8re8k 5 месяцев назад
What you said is probably true. Vietnam was supported by the Soviet Union in this war. As the younger brother of the Soviet Union, it was normal for East Germans to appear in Vietnam.
@blackdogRexy
@blackdogRexy 11 месяцев назад
I worked for a number of years in a situation where Chinese and Vietnamese people were constantly mingling. It was explained to me by a Chinese lady that they held the Vietnamese in such contempt that they refused to apply any title whatsoever to them as a collective group. This was the ultimate symbol of contempt to be unworthy of a name. This video has given me some understanding as to why this occurred. Many thanks to my favourite history teacher.
@minhnguyenphanhoang4193
@minhnguyenphanhoang4193 6 месяцев назад
Lol they are still spicy. 😂
@user-rc2xr8jl2v
@user-rc2xr8jl2v Месяц назад
In fact, most Chinese have no hatred towards the Vietnamese under the cultural propaganda of this era, but about the nickname, the Vietnamese would be called monkey at that time lol.
@wangbuhai
@wangbuhai 27 дней назад
白眼狼形容一个忘恩负义的人,会攻击他们的恩人,
@hungbui-rk2ub
@hungbui-rk2ub 3 дня назад
@@wangbuhaithế nào là ân nhân? Lũ trung quốc cả ngàn năm nay đã muốn chiếm Việt Nam. Xưa đến nay vẫn không thay đổi. Giặc hán cần phải bị tiêu diệt. Trung quốc đại diện cho sự tham lam, giả dối, nói hai lời
@haokylan04
@haokylan04 Год назад
I still remember when i was still in school, the history book or history subject that taugh in our school , does not mention about this war, until when i grow up graduate , go to work, at the age of 20s then i know about this war through some searching on internet
@grippercrapper
@grippercrapper Год назад
The Vietnamese have always been more nationalist than ideological. The United States made the mistake of framing the Vietnam war as an ideological conflict. For the Vietnamese, the war was always a nationalist struggle. The ideology was only there to serve the purposes of the nationalists. If the United States had helped the Vietnamese establish independence from the French, the Vietnamese would have never gone communist.
@FoxWolfWorld
@FoxWolfWorld Год назад
So is Vietnam basically 4-0 in the last century?
@aznreyy
@aznreyy Год назад
My family has been in Vietnam for 4 generations. My grandfather from both maternal and paternal along with uncles from both family contributed in the unification of Vietnam. Some of my uncles still alive today still suffer from PTSD from the horrors from the Vietnam war. Due to the Sino-Vietnam war, due to my family’s Chinese background, we had our land and possessions taken and had to flee. We fled to a refugee safe zone in HK that also held all those who fled south Vietnam (our prior opponent), pretended to be south Vietnamese and eventually got taken in Australia.
@chrisx5127
@chrisx5127 10 месяцев назад
Nonsense, Vietnamese don't get PTSD. We are the world toughest people. My dad was an LT in the Vietnam War. He doesn't have any PTSD compare to American soldiers.
@minhnguyenphanhoang4193
@minhnguyenphanhoang4193 6 месяцев назад
​@@chrisx5127I mean a lot of people have ptsd. What are you talking about ?
@deviousN
@deviousN 6 месяцев назад
​@@chrisx5127 you're either trolling or horribly ignorant of human psychology.
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@@chrisx5127 vietnamese people all have nguyen as their surname, so inbreds all don't suffer ptsd because they're... special.
@user-mi3xj3td1c
@user-mi3xj3td1c 6 месяцев назад
​@@deviousNjust a pompous Vietnamese
@YoYoYoman45
@YoYoYoman45 3 месяца назад
Nice summary.......I haven't met many people who have even heard of this.......I was in year 8 at Cabramatta High School in 1979, and half my mates were Vietnamese refugees so I certainly heard plenty about it at the time, but it was never of much interest or importance in general. Good job
@user-iw4fe9fc4g
@user-iw4fe9fc4g 3 месяца назад
Who won the war? China, Vietnam and the United States all won. Only the Soviet Union lost, and the United States won the most. Objective judgment requires gathering perspectives from multiple perspectives, including those of China, Vietnam, the United States, and the Soviet Union. I don't speak Russian, so I relied mainly on Kissinger's memoirs. He was a politician who knew the Soviet Union and China very well. The Chinese like to conduct and judge war strategically, just like the Chinese game of Go. Just like the great ancient military strategist Sun Tzu. Although the socialist camp at the time shared the same ideology, there were actually nationalist conflicts in the Soviet Union, China, and Vietnam. China's biggest enemy was the Soviet Union. Vietnam followed the Soviet Union and signed an alliance treaty. With the support of the Soviet Union, Vietnam wanted to unify the Indochina Peninsula. If Vietnam succeeded, then the Soviet Union would be to the north, the Vietnamese Empire to the south, India to the west, and the Republic of China, Taiwan, and Japan to the east. China's strategic position would be very dangerous, so China decided to prevent the formation of a Vietnamese empire. Therefore, China needs to unite with the United States to get out of trouble, and the United States also needs China to check and balance the Soviet Union. As for the casualties on both sides of the war, we need to look at the records of China, Vietnam and the United States as well. It is not objective to only refer to one side's data. China did not occupy Vietnamese territory, so China lost? After the Korean War, China did not station troops in North Korea. During the Sino-Indian War, China quickly withdrew its troops after the war. I don't think China lost the Korean War and the Sino-Indian War. Fun fact: In 1990, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam Nguyen Van Linh traveled to Chengdu to negotiate to normalize relations between China and Vietnam. It is very interesting to view the detailed process information of the time. Politically, China went to war with Vietnam just a few months after the Soviet Union and Vietnam signed an alliance agreement, but the Soviet Union never sent troops to aid Vietnam. This was a blow to Soviet prestige (I think the Vietnamese government's four "no" diplomatic principles today are also relevant). Imagine if North Korea attacks South Korea and the US military withdraws its troops stationed in South Korea. So China fought for ten years with Vietnam aided by Soviet economic weapons, and then the Soviet Union collapsed. Imagine the EU, Ukraine and Russia today. Economically, China destroyed Vietnam’s industrial base. For a decade, Vietnam had to maintain a large military that far exceeded its economic capabilities. At the same time, China was developing its economy and gaining access to Japanese industrial transfers and American technology and markets. The difference between China and the United States is that Chinese strategist Sun Tzu sought to "conquer the enemy without fighting," so China will not make the same mistakes as the United States and the Soviet Union. Although this makes China look weak and does not even dare to go to war with a small country like the Philippines. In fact, in a war between a big country and a small country, it is enough to destroy the other side's industrial capabilities, regularly bomb power plants, factories, railway hubs and bridges, leaving the other side with long-term poverty and technological backwardness. There is no need to send troops to occupy it. It is a pity that ordinary Vietnamese cannot understand Sun Tzu. In fact, the Vietnamese cannot even understand their own historical records, because they are written in Chinese and only the rulers of Vietnam can understand them.
@originalph00tbag
@originalph00tbag Год назад
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say Sino-Viet relations are bad just because of the '79 Sino-Viet war. I always tell people who are confused that America has been a problem for Vietnam for about two centuries. China has been a problem for Vietnam for nearly three millennia. A huge part of Northern Vietnamese identity, in particular, is resisting invasion by almost every Chinese dynasty since the Han. The '79 war was just a reminder that the CCP wasn't looking to reverse course.
@cudanmang_theog
@cudanmang_theog Год назад
Mao and Ho were only close comrades, they both long dead before the 1979 war
@Aes880
@Aes880 Год назад
Vietnam didnt pull back 300.000 troop from Cambodia, out of the 19 division which make up the 2nd,3rd and 4th army corp they pull back the 2st army corp from Cambodia and held the 1st army corp in Hanoi while also pull the 327th and 337th division in central region Vietnam In total , Vietnam only pull back at most 20.000 troop from Cambodia Most of the force engaging the PLA in that war were the 2 PAVN regular divisions which are the 3rd and the 316A division and 4 newly activated reserve division which mostly include mobilized milita,police and border guard
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
FREE CHAMPA! FREE SIKKIM!
@rob6927
@rob6927 Год назад
@@scintillam_dei Free Manchuria! Free South Mongolia! Free East Turkestan! Free Tibet! Free Kashmir! Free Hong Kong! Free Taiwan!
@DungNguyen-dk8wm
@DungNguyen-dk8wm Год назад
@@scintillam_dei the Chams is barely enough to run a country these days,and Sikkim is in India.
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
@@rob6927 Dont free Tibet. They had an empire. What goes around comes around.
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
@@rob6927 You forgot FREE HAWAII! FREE LAKOTA LANDS!
@Vietnam_Chr0nicles
@Vietnam_Chr0nicles Год назад
I live in Lao Cai for 2 year now. On the China border. I can literally see it from my window and dedicated my RU-vid channel to people teaching in North Vietnam
@proud4373
@proud4373 Год назад
Regarding the Sino-Vietnamese border war in February 1979, in an attempt to repeat the 1950 victory in the Korean War, waves of Chinese soldiers - over 600,000 Chinese troops from the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) with a massive artillery attack of over 1,000 tanks suddenly invaded Vietnam northern provinces along Vietnam-China border in 1979. Having intended to teach "Vietnam a lesson", Chinese military commander and statesman Deng Xiaoping publicly announced the Chinese troops would capture Hanoi in one week and then eat their "breakfast in Hanoi, lunch in Hue, dinner in Saigon". However, they totally failed to reach their goals, having faced the fierce counterattacks of the local Vietnamese troops and people at the border. The invading Chinese divisions were held back for over 3 weeks at the 7 northern border provinces of Vietnam including Ha Tuyen, Cao Bang and Lang Son. Although China has said nothing since waging war of aggression against the Vietnamese in 1979, the factual evidence itself truly speaks on China's behalf. Even with waves of over 600,000 Chinese troops and lots of powerful tanks and artillery, China was unable to achieve its goal of capturing Hanoi in 1 week, and the Chinese troops totally failed to eat the breakfast, lunch, and dinner as planned in Vietnam. Finally, China had to withdraw its troops from the Vietnamese territory after Vietnamese President Ton Duc Thang ordered a general mobilization on March 5, 1979. Vietnam was in fact the one that taught China a lesson. Having gone through so many bloodiest wars during their 5,000-year history, the Vietnamese understand wars more than anyone else. War is never the answer, but to defend their country and protect their independence and freedom, the Vietnamese will NEVER be afraid of wars. In fact, they fear no enemies! The Vietnamese had totally defeated all 11 powerful Chinese dynasties (Qin, Wu, Han, Song, Southern Song, Western Xia, Dali, Great Jin, Great Yuan, Ming and Great Qing); the Vietnamese are the only people that had successfully beaten the unbeatable Mongol army not once, not twice, but three times; they completely defeated the French at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in 1954; they handed the US a humiliating defeat in 1975; they totally crushed the bloodthirsty Khmer Rouge regime with the aid of over 10,000 Chinese military advisors and ended the Cambodian Genocide in 1978; they drove more than 30,000 Chinese nationals back to mainland China during the deadly anti-China riots in Vietnam in 2014. The Vietnamese have a mind of steel and a will of iron. Their resilience and determination are beyond imagination, and that is who the Vietnamese are. Obviously, Vietnam is still Vietnam today standing tall despite the fact that it had been through so many bloodiest wars during its 5,000-year history.
@proud4373
@proud4373 Год назад
@Keyboard Emperor If China had really truly wanted to help Cambodia, China would never have helped the bloodthirsty Khmer Rouge regime with the aid of more than 10,000 Chinese military advisors to murder more than 2 million Cambodian people accounting for roughly half of the total Cambodian population at the time. Almost wiping Cambodia off the map, the horrible massacre in Cambodia was well known as Cambodian Genocide-the most brutal massacre in the history of Asia, and that was why the Cambodian Genocide was totally condemned by the United Nations in 2003. According to British BBC report, Andrew Mertha, a professor at Johns Hopkins and Brown universities, US said that 90% of foreign aid received by the Khmer Rouge came from China (Andrew Mertha ─ Brothers in Arms: China's Aid to the Khmer Rouge, 1975-1979).
@nguyenhoanganh4586
@nguyenhoanganh4586 Год назад
@Keyboard Emperor According to world historians, the Kingdom of Funan was a big kingdom in Southeast Asia where now includes Cambodia, southern Thailand, southern Myanmar, southern Laos, and southern Vietnam. The kingdom of Funan originally consisted of small states that had existed for five centuries. However, in the 6th century, the Kingdom of Funan was frequently attacked and invaded by a small foreign state known as Chenla in the north. The people of Chenla subsequently massively migrated to the Kingdom of Funan, illegally occupying most of its fertile lands. Finally, the people of Chenla overthrew Funan Kingdom and founded a new one called Khmer Kingdom known as present-day Cambodia. This clearly historically proved that the Cambodians have no valid reason to reclaim the lands of the Funan Kingdom such as Thailand, southern Myanmar and southern Vietnam because even present-day Cambodia was historically part of the Kingdom of Funan. In other words, present-day Cambodia belonged to Funan people, NOT Khmer people or the Cambodians. The fact that the Cambodians keep publicly claiming the southern Vietnam they had stolen from others, is absolutely ridiculously absurd. It had never been theirs before, why have they kept claiming it belonged to them? Also, it was Outey Reachea II, who became the Khmer King in 1758 after his grandfather Ang Tong's death. The Khmer King Outey Reachea II officially and voluntarily gave the land now known as the southern Vietnam as a gift to the Vietnamese King Nguyen in 1758, in exchange for the protection during the Siamese invasions of Cambodia by the Siamese King Taksin of the Ayutthaya Kingdom (currently Thailand). Furthermore, the French Colonial Empire in Southeast Asia was finally defeated by the Vietnamese in the bloody battle Dien Bien Phu in May 1954, which led to the Geneve Conference in Switzerland in July 1954 discussing about the general election for reunification of the southern and northern Vietnam in July 1956. Cambodia was also invited to find a solution to the situation of the southern Vietnam. Sadly, the Kingdom of Cambodia under Norodom Sihanouk refused to join the Geneve Conference and allowed the French Cochinchina government to be their sole representative at the conference. If the southern Vietnam had been truly part of Cambodia, the Cambodian king would have actively participated in a such important decision about the southern Vietnam! However, Cambodia never ever did. In addition, over 2 million Vietnamese people had fought to defend southern Vietnam and died during one of the bloodiest wars of the last century - the Vietnam War. North and South Vietnam was finally united in 1975. Did the Cambodians or Khmer people in Cambodia stand up fighting to defend the southern Vietnam during the war? NO, they never did. Now, South Vietnam was finally reunited with North Vietnam as one country - one unified nation, and the Cambodians have started claiming southern Vietnam as part of their land! It is completely wrong and baseless for the Cambodians to reclaim the land that had never ever been theirs before because Khmer people had illegally stolen the land originally from the Funan people. In addition, southern Vietnam had been historically an integral part of Vietnam's territory since the French colonial period. Southern Vietnam had been under the full control of the French Cochinchina government-the administration of Jules Brévié as the Governor-General of French Indochina. Thereafter, the sovereignty of Cochinchina was transferred to the State of Vietnam and remained so after the departure of the French. As a result, southern Vietnam is an integral part of Vietnam's territory, historically and legally. If you want to know why the southern Vietnam fully belongs to the Vietnamese, ask the Khmer Kings including Outey Reachea II and Norodom Sihanouk! Nobody can change any events in the past. The fact that the Cambodians have kept groundlessly claiming that the southern Vietnam belonged to them, makes all of the Cambodians look like a bunch of compulsive and pathological liars.
@proud4373
@proud4373 Год назад
@Keyboard Emperor Personally, I think the Chinese are insanely ignorant and the Cambodians are overwhelmingly unintelligent. Studying the history of a country is the best way to learn about that country and its people. Take China as an example. The Chinese have always considered themselves to be the most powerful and intelligent people in the world, and China to be the center of the universe. However, China's history tells a totally different story. In fact, it has sadly betrayed the Chinese people. Here are the facts! The Mongols according to historians are still regarded as the mightiest, deadliest and most feared military force of all time even though they existed more than 8 centuries ago. In the 13th century, the Mongol army of roughly 100,000 troops were able to wipe out all of the powerful Chinese dynasties and finally successfully conquered the whole China with a population of over 150 million people at the time! However, the unbeatable Mongol army was bitterly defeated not once, not twice but three times by a teeny tiny and insignificant country, which is Vietnam with a population of about over 3 million people in the 13th century! In addition to triumphantly defeating the invincible Mongol army and forever ending Genghis Khan's dream of conquering the entire world, Vietnam had successfully defeated all 7 powerful Chinese dynasties (Qin, Wu, Han, Song, Great Yuan, Ming and Great Qing) through its 5,000-year history and regained its independence and freedom. There must be something about the teeny tiny country that later went on successfully defeating the French in 1954 and boldly handling a humiliating defeat to the US-the most powerful country in the world in 1975. If China was unable to defeat the mighty Mongol army, how could China defeat Vietnam? Just look at China history! All the powerful Chinese dynasties, one after another had been bitterly kicked out of Vietnam by the fearless Vietnamese people for thousands of years, and the latest example was a human wave of over 600,000 Chinese troops totally failing to capture Hanoi in one week during the 1979 conflict and finally withdrawing 3 weeks later. Vietnam is still Vietnam today standing tall. China is big and populous, but still unable to conquer the teeny tiny Vietnam for thousands of years, so what can Cambodia do to Vietnam? Nothing! This is why people said, the Cambodians are overwhelmingly unintelligent, and the Chinese are insanely ignorant. Having repeated the same mistake for thousands of years is just foolishly and ludicrously ignorant.
@nguyenhoanganh4586
@nguyenhoanganh4586 Год назад
@Keyboard Emperor "but the historians claimed the Funan people were mostly Khmer in combination of some ethnic minorities. (Funan could be an ancient Chinese transliteration of the Khmer word Phnom, which means moutains in Khmer)"?? You did not read my comment carefully. There were 2 different countries at the time, which were Funan and Chenla. Chenla was Chenla, and Funan was Funan. They were 2 totally different peoples. Some people even said Funan and Chenla were Chinese migrating from China's Changjiang area, but look at the Cambodian skin, which is darker! This solidly proved the theory of migration totally wrong.
@nguyenhoanganh4586
@nguyenhoanganh4586 Год назад
@Keyboard Emperor "It definitely wasn't Vietnamese homeland"! It certainly historically wasn't the Cambodians' homeland either. Remember Chenla and Funan were 2 different peoples living on 2 different lands. Thailand, southern Myanmar and southern Vietnam and even present-day Cambodia were originally part of the Kingdom of Funan, which the people of Chenla illegally invaded and occupied, and finally they overthrew Funan Kingdom and founded a new one called Khmer Kingdom known as Cambodia today. In other words, present-day Cambodia belonged to Funan people, NOT Khmer people or the Cambodians. Also, I said clearly in the previous comment, "The Khmer King Outey Reachea II voluntarily gave the land now known as the southern Vietnam as a gift to the Vietnamese King Nguyen in 1758, in exchange for the protection during the Siamese invasions of Cambodia by the Siamese King Taksin of the Ayutthaya Kingdom (currently Thailand)." Furthermore, "in the Geneve Conference in July 1954 discussing about the general election for reunification of the southern and northern Vietnam in July 1956, Cambodia was also invited to find a solution to the situation of the southern Vietnam. Sadly, the Kingdom of Cambodia under Norodom Sihanouk refused to join the Geneve Conference and allowed the French Cochinchina government to be their sole representative at the conference." Moreover, "Southern Vietnam had been under the full control of the French Cochinchina government-the administration of Jules Brévié as the Governor-General of French Indochina. Thereafter, the sovereignty of Cochinchina was transferred to the State of Vietnam and remained so after the departure of the French. As a result, southern Vietnam is an integral part of Vietnam's territory, historically and legally." During the Vietnam War, "over 2 million Vietnamese people had fought to defend southern Vietnam and died during one of the bloodiest wars of the last century - the Vietnam War. North and South Vietnam was finally united in 1975. Did the Cambodians or Khmer people in Cambodia stand up fighting to defend the southern Vietnam during the war? NO, they never did." It had never been theirs before, why have they kept claiming it belonged to them? Claiming what is not theirs, is absolutely ridiculously absurd. Are the Cambodians out of their mind? Or the Cambodians totally forgot the deadly Khmer Rouge regime and the brutal Cambodian Genocide caused by the Chinese-backed Pol Pot dictator with the help of over 10,000 Chinese advisors!
@SG.N0taill
@SG.N0taill Год назад
In early 1979. since the start of campaign to overthrown genocidal Pol Pot regime in Dec25th 1978. My father did enlist for PAV and was sent there, he still shocked of its horror, atrocities Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge had committed to the Campodian. I asked my dad of what he experienced there when he fought the Pol Pot once and he only said "i saw children, babies being eaten" Estimated 600.000 chinese combatants tried to flood North Vietnam border to enter Hanoi Although Chinese massing with numbers but they struggled crossing the border. Casualties up to now still a controversial topic but it is believed both side suffer heavy losses. The war ended when the Chinese still struggling to cross the border and the news of Vietnam most elite army is marching North, then Chinese on full retreat
@user-jx5og4ww6r
@user-jx5og4ww6r 8 месяцев назад
俄罗斯打乌克兰也是这套说辞 他们自己的人民没有力量反抗 所以我们就侵略一下 顺便把地占了 以后公投并入越南 哦不 俄罗斯
@user-jd7lx3iy7k
@user-jd7lx3iy7k 7 месяцев назад
那是因为目的达到了,不需要再打了。
@CNNandBBC
@CNNandBBC 2 месяца назад
There's no dispute, the official Chinese statistics are up, and by 1991, China had lost a total of 33,000 people, and the Vietnamese side had lost 87,000. But your Vietnamese government says Vietnam lost 150,000 people, Vietnam is obviously exaggerating.
@VinhLe-fg7ik
@VinhLe-fg7ik 5 дней назад
​@@CNNandBBCTrung quốc thiệt mạng chính xác là 62.500 binh lính . Đa số người Việt thiệt mạng là thường dân . Đây là tiết lộ của một cựu chiến binh Trung quốc năm 1979 khi ông ông ấy gặp một cựu binh Việt nam .
@peterhuasun
@peterhuasun Год назад
It’s not about ideology at all. It’s about geopolitics. Vietnam historically has seen itself as the leader of Indochina, which includes modern day Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. By 1979,Vietnam has taken full control of Laos to the extent that Laosian constitution says Laos needs to accept leadership from Vietnam. China just didn’t want to see a unified Indochina on its southern border.
@chenbayun9494
@chenbayun9494 Год назад
According to my dad, five of neighber villagers go to the war and never came back, only one came back because he was crippled. I hate war.
@Marc-.
@Marc-. Год назад
Deng’s love letter to the USA
@SeoChoi
@SeoChoi Год назад
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@Spartan265
@Spartan265 Год назад
I would say Vietnam because they were able to stay an independent nation instead of being a Chinese puppet or whatever.
@simonkelly9013
@simonkelly9013 Год назад
Vietnam had resist and expelled China invasion for 2,000 years. Mighty empire such as Han dynasty occupied briefly and retreated, Mongol invasion were repelled and Manchu were defeated in several battles and China communist is No different!!!
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@badofi you’re so lame
@thit7538
@thit7538 Год назад
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@indrajitgupta3280
@indrajitgupta3280 6 месяцев назад
After watching the video, the deeply regrettable conclusion is that Beijing achieved its objectives, hit Vietnam, forced a major diversion of Vietnamese troops out of Cambodia, and caused a lot of property loss in the Vietnamese territories occupied, during the occupation and during the withdrawal. Deeply regrettable, because it would have been appropriate to punish the bullying and hegemonic attitude of the PRC.
@johnpritchard5410
@johnpritchard5410 Год назад
"They taught each other a lesson," was the popular opinion at the time.
@melissacorbett4180
@melissacorbett4180 Год назад
Great video for an underexplored topic! It doesn't sound like China achieved its main aim of getting Vietnam out of Cambodia, so I guess Vietnam won the war even if the Northern part of the country got trashed. Would like to see some videos about the Khmer Rouge on this channel in the future!
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei Год назад
The Khmer Rouge were atheist liberators of religitard oppessors! Glad there is no hell, so they won't pay for raping women and their many cold-blooded murders to advance our unoly atheist cause of getting away with evil when we die in our selifsh delusion!
@janusjones6519
@janusjones6519 Год назад
China's main aim was to stop Vietanmese hegemony as it was expanding aggressively following the war with the US, which they achieved an vietnam's influence over indo-china was greatly reduced.
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@@janusjones6519 The fact that China keeps changing its ‘main goal’ as time goes by and things unfold (like the US had also done before that) shows it had clearly lost the war. What exactly was ‘Vietnam hegemony’ in Indochina? Pol Pot rose up in the Vietnam War and he was a China’s tool, not Vietnam’s. And China’s stopping ‘Vietnam hegemony’ in Indochina sounds really stupid considering China is THE East Asian hegemon throughout the ages and it teamed up with the global hegemon, the US, to do that too!
@janusjones6519
@janusjones6519 Год назад
@@diehardcat China’s goals didn’t change. Vietnam was well on its way to dominate indochina prior to the war
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@@janusjones6519 No you ldiot. How did Vietnam dominate Indochina before the war when Pol Pot, a China’s dog, was still running Cambodia?! And The fact that Pol Pot dared to cross the border to mass murder Vietnamese villagers proved beyond any doubt that neither was Vietnam dominating nor did it want to dominate Indochina! It was a stupid story that doesn’t make any fkg sense, cooked up by China to brainwash stupid people like you and justify it crimes against Vietnam. It obviously just pulled a page or two from the US’ book of ‘blame the victim to justify war of aggression’ here.
@xijinpinghasdonenothingwro7608
Not entirely relevant to the video but just something I’ve noticed that I felt needed to be mentioned. I see you have referred to China under Mao’s rule as “Maoist”, it is important to understand Mao Zedong thought is not the same as Maoism, Maoism was developed by the PCP in Peru in the 80’s, I know it seems small but just something i thought I’d mention
@ZeonicZaku1-Zeon_Grunt_Suit
3:14 I'm wondering why the modern Cambodian Flag was used, as opposed to the flag they had under Pol Pot's regime?
@kaidousane1121
@kaidousane1121 Год назад
Definitely Vietnam!
@Guerillafeva
@Guerillafeva Год назад
Pretty obvious thats china lost, they failed in the ultimate objective to get vietnam out of cambodia so thats a clear mission fail. I you wanna argue that they achieved a tactical military victory, sure. I suppose the same could be said about the U.S in Vietnam and the soviets in afghanistan. Tactical victory, strategic failure.
@ssglbc1875
@ssglbc1875 Год назад
@badofi yeah but that’s 10 years acted the war. The Chinese failed its objective
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@badofi The objective of Vietnam in Cambodia was to destroy the sicko regime, Khmer Rouge, which ultimately was an ultra nationalist regime and led by Pol Pot, a Chinese tool, and install a friendly government. She successfully did exactly that and China and the US can’t do anything about it! The present Cambodia's prime minister was put there by Vietnam right after she successfully disposed of Pol Pot and he's still there ruling the country. You don't know that? For 10 years after Pol Pot was removed and the Khmer Rouge destroyed, the United Snakes and the treacherous China with some of their lackeys had fought tooth and nail at the UN trying to preserve his seat and gave him all the help they could to wage a guerrilla war against Vietnam to wrestle back control of Cambodia but FAILED. The Khmer Rouge top cadres ultimately ended up as criminals and had to face trials. They are the one who tried to use China as leverage against Vietnam, not the current one. After all the current PM was put up there by Vietnam remember?
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
I wonder how can anybody call that a ‘tactical victory’ when China lost tens of thousands in just three weeks, like a third or half of what the US did in its ten years in Vietnam. What exactly did they achieve? Successfully destroyed infrastructure they built near the border during the Vietnam War? First, there wasn’t much to destroy to begin with. Second, any lowly terrorist or bandit group can do that without talking that kind of casualties and with barely lifting a finger. So bragging about that can only make China looks petty, lame and stupid!
@user-kq5pj9py9c
@user-kq5pj9py9c Год назад
The war does not take place in Chinese territory, North Vietnam is destroyed, just like the war between Russia and Ukraine today After Vietnam and China finished this war, there were dozens of wars between Vietnam and China. Until 1990, Vietnam failed each time, until the Soviet Union collapsed, Vietnam lost its allies, and Vietnam finally reconciled with China. China has received technology and capital from Western allies, especially the United States, and China's economy has begun to take off, achieving its strategic goals
@diehardcat
@diehardcat Год назад
@@user-kq5pj9py9c If you wanna know who win or lose, you need to look at the whole picture, look at the purposes and compare what each side wants at the beginning and what it actually achieves at the end. First, what China did could hardly be called a 'war'. A real 'war' has a real, important, big objective. China had a very petty objective and scope so a banditry incursion is more like it. China backed and encouraged Pol Pot to attack Vietnam and promised to rescue him if Vietnam responded. That's why Pol Pot was so confident. He thought Vietnam wouldn't dare to do anything to him as long as there was big bad China in the background intimidating her, but he was wrong and got his a$$ kicked all the way to Thailand in just a few weeks. China now had to do something. Although being full of hubris, China also knew that if it tried a real land war with Vietnam, it would get íts a$$ kicked and humiliated again, so it had chosen to limit the scope to 'teaching Vietnam a lesson' by conducting a very short hit and run incursion! LOL! Nobody can get more petty than China!)! It’s not an actual war to rescue Pol Pot like promised. You see, China had lost strategically from the get go by that limited scope. It effectively had decided to cut him loose at that point. It knew full well that Pol Pot couldn't be rescued with a Chinese chicken hit and run incursion, but it had no choice. It’s better him than China! LOL! Despite being very practical to limit the scope to a banditry incursion, meaning making a very quick run into Vietnam, burning something down and run home as fast as possible before Vietnam could mobilize to avoid getting annihilated, China had still managed to lose tens of thousands to Vietnamese local forces in just three weeks. It took years for the US to lose that many men in Vietnam. So tactically speaking, it was a gigantic blunder.
@heakhaek
@heakhaek Год назад
1:28 for that question I'd say it eas definitely Vietnam since Vietnam successfully defended their independence
@meronlaststand6021
@meronlaststand6021 3 месяца назад
Well it was a fascinating narrative though it was not extensive, however I might add some details about the soviet action during the war. Actually though the russian did ask the Vietnamese leadership for military support to defend themselves, the Vietnamese refuse to accept due to the military prowess and achievements on the US during the war....they led the tank mechanized without any support and did slightly defend the Chinese aggression and didn't deserted Cambodia as the Chinese expected.
@wumao6797
@wumao6797 Год назад
I consider it a win-win in this war. The Vietnamese learned not to rely too much on other nations for their security and if you look when the USSR collapsed Vietnam was one of those least affected militarily. Now on China side they gained 2 strong allies in South East Asia. If you are to sit in any ASEAN gatherings and there is a vote that is unfavorable to China you can be sure Laos , Cambodia would stand up and vote against it or reduce it to a lesser extent.
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 Год назад
militarily, China clearly lost.
@viluanon2862
@viluanon2862 8 месяцев назад
You wish
@benym9146
@benym9146 Год назад
It is paranoid to judge a war as won or lost by an obsession with whether or not land is captured. The Chinese don't really care about Cambodia, he only cares about interrupting Vietnam's momentum, like in the boxing ring where a muscular man doesn't need to give his all against a skinny opponent, but the skinny opponent has to puff up all his muscles. Vietnam gave up on economic development during the decade-long conflict, with military power dominating domestic politics, resulting in Vietnam missing out on the fast track to economic development, compared to China's rapid development in partnership with the US. Yes, I would say that the Chinese really don't care if they win or lose a particular battle, even if they don't lose statistically, and strategically Vietnam was a complete failure. But times are changing, there are no friends who have and no enemies who will always have, and those who can see the tide of the world are the real winners.
@clorkmagnus
@clorkmagnus Год назад
It’s not giving up, the US and Allies including China sanctions them. The “giving” reason is kinda dumb because North Korea and Tibet are prime examples of what shit hole it can be following China. The Viet paid the price for angering two of the world super power. Nobody want to be starve or poor. The problem is the choice is available for them or not. China came out well allying with the US. The Viet avoided a North Korea situation and also developed rapidly. Both came out better so maybe time for both side stop being such petty asses and move on. I bet Chinese millennia and Vietnamese millennia don’t want to go die in a war again. They should just mind their own business.
@khylerin70
@khylerin70 10 месяцев назад
Another excellent video, well done Mr M. In my opinion, General Vo was probably the most successful General of the 20th century, however it was a success that came with horrific human cost. He drove out the French. He drove out the Americans. He drove out the Chinese. He drove out Pol Pot. 👍🥳🥂 Not a bad resumè by anybody's reckoning. Again, at a horrific human cost but when the objective was keeping Vietnam Vietnamese, independent of other political ideologies and military powers he was certainly more than instrumental in achieving the objective. Kudos to him for that, and being 100% effective as the military commander who's mandate was met, and he lived to a very very ripe old age. Unlike the countless compatriots who didn't during his campaigns 😒😔
@thanksmaybe4103
@thanksmaybe4103 6 месяцев назад
Vietnam went communism because America rejected their pleas, but they love us
@Muslim-og3vc
@Muslim-og3vc Год назад
Will you do a video on the veitnamese cambodian war
@AspieTrips
@AspieTrips Год назад
@@davidluong8370 bs. Vietnam had their vietnam with occupation 1978-1990 30,000 dead
@willt9721
@willt9721 Год назад
@@AspieTrips less of a war, more of a massacre. Vietnam destroyed cambodian forces.
@bobevans9996
@bobevans9996 Месяц назад
tell him to do a vid on usa is on china's soil
@tomawen5916
@tomawen5916 Год назад
Very impressive analysis from a political-economical perspective. I was alive in 1979 and remember the war playing out in the international media. While China had an overwhelming superiority in men and equipment, the PLA (People's Liberation Army) only activated those military districts facing Vietnam. So it was a limited offensive in the first place (akin to Russia's "special military operation" in 2022). However, while Vietnam activated its regional defense forces in the border regions, the NVA (the Regular Vietnamese Army) had a substantial well of combat experience. The 1972 Easter Offensive (conventional operations) and the 1975 invasion of the South (again, conventional operations) which unified the country. China's last major war/conflict was the Korean War in 1950-1953. To sum it up, China may have achieved its political goals but on the battlefield its forces were defeated (that is, major shortfalls in leadership, tactics and operations against the more experienced NVA). I recall reading that the Vietnamese would know the Chinese were attacking when they heard the "bugles" (akin to Korea in 1950-1953) and the waves of troops sent wily-nily against the Vietnamese positions. So, my comment is this: China v Vietnam on the political, 1-0. China v Vietnam on the military end, 0-2. Sorry I got so wordy.
@dannywang4673
@dannywang4673 Год назад
You tried really hard. Appreciate your efforts, but it's still stupid of you to say China was defeated and whatever 0-2.... If China was defeated in the battlefield, how could it achieve the political goal?? Your opinion just sounds crazily wrong. In fact, Chinese army went all the way to the capital city of Vietnam, and took a lot of goods back from the local factories on their way back. Just tell me, how was that defeated???????
@tomawen5916
@tomawen5916 Год назад
@Danny Wang your perspective is interesting but the PLA never got more than 20+ miles into Vietnam and never got close to Hanoi. I would agree that many people can have a different perspective as to the outcome of the war but militarily, the PLA did not overcome the NVA. Could I be wrong? Sure? Do i think i am wrong? No. I guess for myself i would disagree with your claim that the PLA reached the outskirts of Hanoi. From what I remember, the PLA never made it that far before withdrawing.
@RealCaptainVN
@RealCaptainVN Год назад
@@dannywang4673 who taught you that PLA reached to Hanoi? He deserves an F- in History, and that was a mercy grade. Welcome to the World Wide Web, where you have to reconsider everything that you were taught in China
@RealCaptainVN
@RealCaptainVN Год назад
@@dannywang4673 and let me summery what actually happened, that PLA failed to advance against Vietnam's people militias, not yet talking about facing the actual VPA. There is no such thing called "went all the way to the capital city of Vietnam", because that's the utter disrespect to fact and history.
@ToanTran-ih9wr
@ToanTran-ih9wr Год назад
@@dannywang4673 : You Chinese always think that you are the ruler of the world. But that's not it. do you know why? Because of delusion and ignorance, you consider your people superior. You don't know anything about the China-Vietnam war 1979 Your country China has more than 1 billion people. But only a bunch of useless people against Mongolia, Japan, Western countries. We Vietnamese people are small, but we are not afraid of any big country and race, including you Chinese, history has proven that statement. If the new generation illusionist like you doesn't believe, come and see. cheap kung fu people
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 Год назад
During the Viet Nam War Russia would sell arms to North Viet Nam which was shipped by rail through China. The problem was that not all of the equipment sent made it through China as the Chinese would steal some of it. So the North Vietnamese would by 50 anti aircraft guns and only 43 would turn up. This got so bad that the Russians ended up shipping the equipment train to the east and then have to send it by sea passed China. One of the problems for the Chinese invasion of Viet Nam was that at time Chinese soldiers did not wear rank insignia. Rank insignia was considered Bourgeois and western. Besides each soldier knew their officers and NCOs so the knew who to take orders from. The problem came during combat when the person giving orders was not known to to the officers, NCOs or soldiers. So the orders were being ignored because that person was suspect. This led to troops not being were they were supposed to be and not attacking a position because the orders were not followed. Not long after the end of the invasion rank insignias were introduced to the Chinese military.
@user-jx5og4ww6r
@user-jx5og4ww6r 8 месяцев назад
你怕是不知道越南战争期间的河内是解放军防守的吧?你怕是还不知道 是中国人不允许美国人打过17度线吧?
@AVietnameseWanderingAround
@AVietnameseWanderingAround 6 месяцев назад
@@user-jx5og4ww6rHanoi? Defend by PLA? That’s why, kid, take social studies class in China with a pinch of salt.
@Xamsims
@Xamsims Год назад
Literally the Chinese version of a "Special Military Operation", but even more half-assed.
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