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The "Classic Concentration" bonus round wasn't random 

Scott Robinson
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"Press Your Luck" wasn't the only show where a contestant could win by memorizing patterns.
All "Classic Concentration" clips were recorded over the air as they were broadcast on Buzzr. "Classic Concentration" and its associated intellectual properties belong to Fremantle -- I did not ask their permission to make this video, but I'm hoping they will enjoy what little monetization it provides.

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@blindsportslover
@blindsportslover Год назад
Did anybody notice that when she was saying taping and re-watch it Alex cut her off and they cut the music on immediately? She almost exploited that.
@SamtheBravesFan
@SamtheBravesFan 2 года назад
I'm impressed she caught on to that. I don't blame the producers for doing that, but maybe it wouldn't have killed them to do a random one once in a while. Probably ran it by S&P.
@TLEberle
@TLEberle 2 года назад
They don’t have to run it by standards and practices if it is allowed by the rules.
@PGTransformed
@PGTransformed Год назад
George Anne Ray won $62,000 plus on the $100,000 pyramid in 1987 and stayed there for 11 consecutive shows combining being a 5 time undrafted champ and competing in the tournament of champions which was won by Mary Monte. She then appeared on Sale of the Century on mid 1988 but did not prevail. This was during Tara Ontede's 5th day. So by this win on Classic Concentration, she was a game show pro! Matter of fact, she would compete in the tournament of champions 10 months later BUZZR has not yet aired the one and only contestant who won the car round faster than George Anne, Stan!!!
@darrendoyle568
@darrendoyle568 Год назад
I say Stan’s was more impressive cause he had the basetime of 35 seconds on the clock Geargeann had 55
@almightytora
@almightytora Год назад
I just saw an episode today with a challenger that was given a second chance to appear on the show. She won and got a chance to win a car. Let's just say that she knew the combinations well, as she matched the first two or three immediately. I told a relative that Scott posted about this non-random combination.
@SP84Fanatic
@SP84Fanatic 2 года назад
Another contestant pulled a similar move. Phyllis, who appeared on August 18, 1989's episode, immediately went for 10-3 (a common pair I've noticed) and matched, then matched another car at 4-15, and at 5-13. She then hit a few stumbling blocks, but she won a new car in 36 seconds. If she was luckier with her later picks, she would have likely qualified for the 1990 Tournament of Champions.
@JZCRAZY
@JZCRAZY Год назад
Who are you? The modern day Michael Larson??? LOL. That's actually kind of amazing. I'm equally thrown off by the KCOP ID at 2:34. How did that get in there on an NBC show in which it looks like it was taped off of Buzzr? LOL
@spacemanmonster23
@spacemanmonster23 Год назад
Ah yes the Infamous "Justy".
@blindsportslover
@blindsportslover 2 года назад
Here's one set of number matches that I swear I've seen on two episodes: 7-3, 9-4, 1-12, 13-15, 2-8, 11-6, 5-14. Has anybody else come across this?
@jeremywj
@jeremywj 2 месяца назад
My guess is these were not random due to technical limitations of some sort. Might have been too difficult to reprogram whatever acknowledged the match right away, which had to be almost instant. Therefore, they came up with a set amount of arrangements and just "ran" the program for that one. We saw this in other game shows as well, but the most well known one was Press Your Luck. In that case, I just don't believe the computer was fast enough to generate true random boards so quickly. Stuff like this would never fly today. The internet would catch on immediately and the show would be destroyed. However, back then it would have been hard for an average person to spread their findings. Therefore, few would have truly known.
@rlochel
@rlochel 2 года назад
Slick video Scott. Given that most players started off with 1-2, 3-4, etc, they wouldn't see a repeat until their third pair. And having top/bottom matches certainly increased the difficulty. I wonder if one of the 14 boards was an "easy" board, when producers felt like a win was needed.
@JsClassicTV
@JsClassicTV Год назад
I'd love to see the other "boards" used over the series. It makes sense that there would be a "hard" board for say the first time champion, versus an "easy" boars that the producers would put up on the champion's fifth day.
@vanni9283
@vanni9283 Год назад
They would often start off with 2 that are directly across from one another or adjacent to one another (1-2, 1-3, 1-4 for example).
@trevorpanno516
@trevorpanno516 Год назад
What I think would have been great is that if a contestant didn’t match all 7 within the time, they’ll get $100 per match.
@blindsportslover
@blindsportslover Год назад
That would've been nice. It would add to their winnings from the main game.
@JMFabiano
@JMFabiano 2 года назад
Very cool! You also figured out the MG/HS head to head number distribution.
@blozier2006
@blozier2006 2 года назад
Not to put words in your mouth, but are you saying Georgeann basically "Larson-ed" the car game? For the record: if she did, more power to her.
@MSTieScott
@MSTieScott 2 года назад
Seeing how she knocked out three pairs of cars without having previously seen their matches, she never even opened the door for the unmatchable car, and she told Alex that she taped and rewatched each episode (as the director quickly cued the closing theme)... She put in the work and she earned a car for it.
@kevg715
@kevg715 2 года назад
@Brandon Taylor Probably because unlike the PYL example this one didn't cost NBC over $100K
@blindsportslover
@blindsportslover 2 года назад
Is this about how the matches are paired up and not so much about which cars are matched? come to think of it, I do remember watching two clips where the match pattern was the same in both cases.
@gowifb
@gowifb Год назад
Wow I never knew about this. Thanks for making this video. I would say this is far more impressive than Michael Larson. While Michael caught on to multiple patterns being used on PYL, he was mainly focused on a few different patterns and the buildup to the main squares he wanted to land on. He didn't have to track every single light sequence all the way through. He could just wait until he saw the pattern he wanted and then go for it. Even for most people when you watch the clip of Michael on PYL you can already start to pick up the patterns while he is playing. For this lady or anyone else trying to do this, you would have to memorize this entire sequence of car matches plus many other sequences as well. And you don't have the benefit of waiting for a chance in the pattern like you could on PYL, you are stuck with whatever sequence they happen to give you on this day. It would be interesting to interview this lady to see what she has to say about this. Like did she memorize every pattern, or during this time period were they only using a few different patterns instead of 14 of them?
@joshuac8612
@joshuac8612 2 года назад
This is, perhaps, the most remarkable game show discovery I've ever seen. Was Georgeann on anything else besides Sale in 1988?
@zachhoran
@zachhoran 2 года назад
Pyramid in 1987, in a $100K tournament
@dletter
@dletter 2 года назад
So, beyond just this, this begs the question of whether there are any other secret "not really random" placements out there to be discovered (whether someone seemed to "game" it or not, like at least PYL & CC appeared to have so far). Trying to think of possible shows.... 1) Sale of the Century: Placements of the dollar amounts (vs prizes, which most people wanted the money to improve their game score) on the Fame Game round. 2) MG/HS Hour: Who got the $30 most often (placement, or did Jon get it more or less than should have been?) Or was there a space that got a higher than "average amount" (I think it was 4 $10s, 4 $20s, and a $30, so, on average any space should have had $16.6k over time) 3) Tic Tac Dough: Same things as the above on the 3x3 board. Both of the above though seemed more limited than CC though, and not quite as exciting (and MGHS only had 1 season, so, not as much time for someone to sit and figure out which square had the best odds of higher $). The short lived late 80s game show "Wipeout", the bonus round there might have been one that if you figured out there were "common" combos, that would have helped, along with knowing some of the correct answers as well. Any others I'm not thinking of?
@JoeyLamontagne
@JoeyLamontagne Год назад
Sale of the Century: The Winner’s Board, but because of the amount of choices, it would be much harder(easier since there’s less chances of needing to rearrange a board)
@lobstertexas
@lobstertexas Год назад
This is purely anecdotal and unconfirmed, but when I was a kid I watched TTD incessantly, and I swear the dragon seemed to be behind the number "6" way more often than once-every-9-games-on-average. Of course, I was a child, but I remember cringing and yelling "WHAT - DO YOU EVER WATCH THIS SHOW?!" whenever someone picked 6 as their first selection 🙃 ... not sure if anyone ever did a deep-dive into the stats of the dragon distribution, but if I were to bet money on it, it has to be 6 😇
@David3000
@David3000 2 года назад
Holy Cow! 😮👀
@DBradshaw25
@DBradshaw25 2 года назад
I'm surprised at this but at the same time I'm not. There were a lot more combination patterns available than what they used it seems - very odd why they would do this but maybe they wanted to give the hardcore watchers a way to game the system should they get on the show? Video games do "cheats" so why not game shows?
@Mr19841985jpdyman
@Mr19841985jpdyman 2 года назад
I wonder if its true for all the bonus round playing on each show?
@dletter
@dletter 2 года назад
Question to Scott... is the claim at 2:04 something you got directly from "the producers", or is that just an assumption you made from this research (finding the 14 arrangements, and noticing they were all "far apart"?).
@MSTieScott
@MSTieScott 2 года назад
Assumption (or perhaps more accurately, a presumption). I went backward from episode 689 and discovered 14 different arrangements -- I stopped somewhere around episode 620 because it had been a while since I had seen any new ones. (It would not surprise me to learn that different collections of arrangements were used before and after this time period; I didn't check.) In all 14 arrangements, the pairs were spread out so that a contestant employing one of the most frequently used strategies (1-2, 4-5... or 1-2, 3-4...) would see very few matches amid their first four calls. "The producers" is a catch-all term that I used because I don't know the exact chain of command regarding which production employee(s) oversaw the implementation of the bonus round.
@dletter
@dletter 2 года назад
@@MSTieScott That is what I was wondering, if "the producers" meant you actually talked to some, or it was just an "assumption". Given no definitive knowledge from producers, I have an slightly alternate theory to the "they had 12-15 (or whatever) combinations that they rotated through". I'm not running "through" all the combos, but, I'm not sure if there are only a "dozen" or so boards that can be made given you don't want a same "letter" on the same row or column (at least in the example in the video, that is true, I'm thinking that might have been the criteria). If that is the case, I wonder how many different configurations there are (given that obviously if you switch two pairs of letters completely, that is still a same "configuration"). In all of the ones you saw, was the above true (letters were never in the same row or column), or was it more just something like "letters have to be 2 away from each other"? Either way, seems like one could figure out how many there are. If it is truly a very low number given the specifications of the boards they wanted (ie, under 2 dozen), that would certainly explain it then. If there still should have been like 100 or so different combinations at least, then I'll post my theory I've put elsewhere: "The thing I wonder though is was it a "purposeful" setup (ie, they made the software just rotate through a dozen or so board setups, which was the PYL issue, because it wasn't even very computerized, as much as just going through a bunch of light/projector patterns), or was it supposedly "randomized" (ie, they did have the software "randomly" create a board)... but the software developer didn't handle the random seed correctly (which on software in the 80s, I wouldn't put past someone), and so whenever you boot up the software, etc, you then get the same boards "again" (and nobody maybe even really "noticed" on the show, since you'd put in different cars each time.) Since after a day or two of taping, they likely shut down the computer, then you'd get that "reboot', and without a random 'seeder', you'd get the same random patterns again" I might be off there, and it was just sloppy producers again making 10-15 patterns and thinking they could just rotate through them and nobody would notice.
@dletter
@dletter 2 года назад
One more thing I'll point out though is given the fact that all of the "boards" they wanted started at minimum A-B-C-D, and maybe even A-B-C-D-E, that really brings down the number of combos (especially with other "demands" to the boards being given). If you have the board "orders" you could post up here or elsewhere that you noticed so far, that would be interesting (the 15 letters going across down the board).
@blindsportslover
@blindsportslover Год назад
There are two things you can almost guarantee you won't see that often or not at all. #1: something like a match, consisting of 3-4, 6-7, etc. #2: a match of two consecutive numbers next to each other (1-2, 5-6, 7-8, etc. I've seen the latter happen, only a couple of times. Other than that, the pairs were either two away from each other or diagonal.
@martysteele1326
@martysteele1326 2 года назад
😻 🄿🅁🄾🄼🄾🅂🄼
@sharikajeter3612
@sharikajeter3612 2 года назад
Why would they keep playing? Clearly, there's a technical problem. They should have stop taping.
@dletter
@dletter 2 года назад
For the same reason they didn't on PYL... it isn't "cheating" to figure out the board isn't random.... that's on the people running the show.
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