The Community is WRONG About The F-15 | War Thunder 

Imma be honest, I just now figured out how to find my current members and realized I have missed some of you. Isurus, Zach, Lee, Deathsmile, YouveBeenThumped - thank you for being a YT member 🙂

I love how you had that enemy F-16 locked up for like 16km, it drops lock so the first sparrow is a dud, then the second one just switches to a friendly and kills him instead. Truly a missile of all time.

"War Thunder community is wrong about (Blank)" - is more common than one might imagine.

War thunder's fighter mafia putting F-15 at lower BR just for sake of it

0:14 ok, i am not the only one who saw that “OF” 💀

I'm an old F-15 Eagle crew chief and was stoked about the aircraft coming into my favorite game. The performance is good for the F15 but the Aim-7M's are NOT up to the task for a higher or even it's current BR. The reason is that everybody else at it's BR have radar weapons that actually work. Since the Eagle has come out the Aim-7m's only guide 'off the rail' about twice in 10 launches. They don't guide at all once launched. It'd be different if they actually worked but just couldn't connect because they didn't have the 'oomph' at what we call 'end-game' for the missile shot. No TWS for the APG63, that's just non-sensical. The F14 has it in both models and the APG63 was designed with it from the start. Having the Mig23ML I've found that THOSE missiles guide far better than anything I'm carrying on the F15, just because they actually try to guide off the rail and have a chance of hitting anything. This isn't so for the F15 Aim-7M's currently, not at all.

I really wonder whether or not gaijin really thinks statistics are a good way to balance vehicles or if they just don't give a damn anymore

7P is naval thing only. USAF used 7MH (h build) from late 80s onwards. MH had loft, improved eccm, lookdown capabilities and autopilot PN logic to conserve more energy throughout the flight

I suspect that Gaijin left the F-15A at 12.3 because the superseding 12.7 slot is reserved for the F-15C with AIM-120s, which is likely going to be added next patch. I actually think that's the main reason since the A definitely has 12.7 flight performance already, but there wouldn't be much reason to play it at that rating when the C-model is just a straight upgrade. I'm actually a bit dismayed at this, being a swedish main, since big twin-engine fighters are probably going to supplant the light fighter meta going forward. Lights might be a bit fun and ratty but the advantage of a heavy fighters combination of large missile loadout and good performance is a bigger factor in the end.

That's the hardest decal I've seen in my life 🥶

Imagine a plane (f-15J), that has the 2nd best flight model in the game, and 4 of, *by far* the best IR missiles, along with 4 more *good* radar missiles, being placed at 12.3BR. Gaijin balancing... LOL Also, the 27ER *cannot* be lofted right now. It cannot be fired via boresight (though it COULD IRL), and once you lock a target and fire on it, the missile will go IOS immediately to intercept it's path. If you fire the missile upwards, it will just burn a bunch of delta-v turning immediately and pitching down to intercept - no loft possible.

Still a joke it’s at 12.3. Should be 12.7. You just get the F-4S premium players who all they do is rocket bases up to top tier, fly out the F-15 and they wonder why they’re doing bad and cope about the plane being shit.

I speak for the whole playerbase when I say that we need the SU-35S with R37Ms to counter the Aim-7

i'd rather radar slave aim 9ms than bother using sparrows

F15 remaining 12.3 is still one of the dumbest decisions ive seen by gaijin. Easily second best top tier jet in game rn.. only thing above it is gripen because gripen is brain dead easy to fly. just imo a player diff keeping it low, lack of HMD is a poor excuse that barely effects it, now i would be fine as well with better radar missiles or simply fixing the radar missiles, also the aim7 just randomly hititng the mirage is WILD, ill be honest, i did forget how oddly disfunctional those missiles are

F15A great plane but most of the pilots premium speds who will complain its bad because they never learned anything while grinding it

I think that if the F15A doesn't get Fox 3s it should at least get the Sparrow 7P to try to counteract the R27ERs features and performance.

I've always said F-15's problem isn't the plane, it's the pilots. A very good plane can catch a very bad reputation because of the average player who uses it. The average player in this case being an F-4S base bomber You can survive at high altitude (And even compete in BVR since you're so fucking fast), and you rinse or match most stuff in a dogfight. Flankers only hope is an R-73 against a good F-15 player.

they shoul push f15 to at least 12.7 and current 12.7 to atleast 13.0

0:51 I got big Witcher 3 vibes or something like a mediaeval time from that song

That decal will be bought in an instant, gotta set my alarm up

Yet the mig29smt is 12.7 is really funny.

I think at the moment the 12.3 BR makes sense for the F-15 any lower and itll curb stomp everything and if it goes to 12.7 itll get ER’d and outcompeted with HMD a lot, until fox 3s are added and maybe later models of F-15s with better armament its fair enough

Tbh with how atrocious the current Su-27 flight model and radar are I honestly think the F-15 is a better plane rn. Only thing Su-27 is rn is just a boring missile spam boat.

Only thing I hate about the F-15A is the AIM-7M's and no HMD, other than that the plane is good, sometimes you could also argue that the F-15A would be better in a certain situation over the F-16C

I would really like the F-15 but I seem to rip my wing in like 20% of my games and its extremely annoying. Is there any consistent reason it rips its wing bc most of the time, im only pulling like 8gs when it rips

Gaijin need to HIre those skin and afterburner makers, not to sell skins but to make the default skins for the planes

7:38 Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the best production fox1 that the f15 can carry is the aim7mh Edit: I am wrong

The intro with the Ace Combat music was sheer perfection

Gaijin borking the F16C and MiG29 flight models is just sad tbh

I disagree about the sidegrade, I personally believe it is a downgrade/upgrade depending on ones playstyle. If you play agressively, go into the furball then the f16 wins easily in that perspective, just because you don't have to fuck up your flight direction to point a missile which in most cases gets you killed when you fly fast which is one of the main advantages of the f15 so in furball dogfights it sucks - which is most of the playerbase, fly off runway fight die. If you play the f15 in the way you do fly high avoid whatever you can and the focus on cherry picking each enemy, then yes it is superior to the f16 but only under the condition that your team doesn't completely demolish the enemy or the other way around, then you just get stuck with one kill and 40 clicks away from the team. Only really rarely do I see lobbies where the furball ends with even number of players afterwards. Usually it just ends in a 14 vs 2 and then ur either left for dead to the 14 enemy players on to you now or have nothing to do but to speed up to the last enemies in hopes you'll get yourself another kill. - which in the f16 you wouldn't do because the 9ms are just superior in close range even head on to the sparrow sometimes.

We just have too many little Timmy’s who have little to no clue about real life avionics, capabilities and weapons systems and how they all function and they love complaining when they die to something or their weapons do t give them free kills. Paired with this they are also single celled specimens and cannot fathom any other play style or strategy than hugging the deck and flying right into the center of the map. Do any of us really think that when the flanker was produced, the Airforce just scrapped the idea of the A-10 because it wouldn’t be meta or it would be DOA and the BR bracket for the gulf war needs to be changed so A-10 pilots can effectively CAS? But better yet these people who still have no clue on how to use these platforms bc all they did was base strafe with rockets in a phantom for 2 months, hits up the forums and writes complaints non stop.

"Sparrows kinda suck" > Gets insulted by Euro mains "F-15s shouldn't be in 12.3" > Gets flamed by Murica Mains ". . . ." > gets flamed by everyone because you're not contributing the topic Su-27/F-15 engines are worse that they should be > "Cope US/Russian main"

it deserves to be in 12.7, ive enjoyed many a game with aam3's and just balling on poor 11.0's who cant go vertical with me, turn with me, or keep up with me, not to mention none of them expecting a IR missile that can hit someone in 5 seconds from 3km out.

I felt that when your sparrow that had a solid radar lock still went for your teammate

Amazing growtht this channel has gone through, and well deserved at it too! I might get your decal as the first RU-vidr deceal I've ever gotten (played for 2 years without a decal)

I like flying the f16c more tbh and f16 has always been my favorite plane so that might have something to do with it

45 battles for me with F15, 3 battles in 12.3 rest 42 battles in 12.7. So now, it is not BR of the plane, it is the stupid brackets Gajin can not finalize after 12 years.

i am just not good at heavy airframe and thats the reason why i have 70 deaths and only 10 kills

"much rather play the SU-27"... not really. A boat carrying missiles much worse than Gay-9M missiles like the R73 is not better than this. Crap like what you pulled of @ 11:00 in the video are pretty much not possible with the R73

But the mig29 and su27 suck in dogfights after the first 2 turns

Also I think that if matches were 6v6 or 8v8 then the advantages you get with an f15 over an su27 would matter a bit more. The f15 has no business clapping the cheeks of every late Cold War premium. AIM 9m against 11.3 is not fair at all.

The current F-15 definitely doesn't belongs to 12.3, but it's also not as much 12.7 capable as the gripen or Su-27, gaijin just needs to decompress the damn BR so these vehicles have more places to go

ahhh, "Johns" are crying once again for balance and begging for goodies from the devs. Same "Johns", same "Johns" as always

laughs in f104S with 2 sparrows and no gun

Seek I wanna thank you not only for the amazing content you create but for the extensive amount of ac7 nostalgia you gave me from that intro

SRC PD HDN/ TRC PD HDN radar mode is really unreliable when the target is moving across your pov in a horizontal direction. Therefore your radar locked on your friend by accident and tk him. Best after lock on to switch back to TRC PD

12.7 is trash toxic unplayable BR anyways so who cares. Thanks for ur good reviews.

that guy at the end eating 10 missiles in 2.6 seconds 💀

0:31 fricking ace combat 7 mission 19 music

countermeasures is not a preference, am sorry but more countermeasures never hurt anyone and is a complete survival nessesity at top tier... my opinion is that anyone with over 120 cc deserve to go higher in br since you can just spam them and avoid so many IR missiles, if anyone counters this I have a counter counter saying that more CC means higher chance of surviving 9Ms and IRCM in general.... u can one flare a R73 and Magic 2 but you cannot one flare a 9M unless the enemy plane fired it of on a flare lock :/ or its a head on.

RAAAAAAAH EAGLE

“All call signs, check in”

Ridiculous that we have to pay for killing teammates in certain situations. I get obviously killing a teammate should be punished. That being said, if I lock my missile to an enemy, fire, it decides to miss and nail my friendly outside of my control, WHY AM I PAYING FOR THAT?

Awesome decal! Will be getting it for sure.

Complaining about the Sparrow when the Gripen only has the first version of the Skyflash is hilarious

great content bro. i personally dont mind the f15 being where its at tbh i feel like yes the dog fighting capabilities are exceptional but the chances of getting dog fights at above 11.0 is decreased significantly.

lol, the F-15 outrages the F-16C with the smaller intakes irl

If there was no such issue as the "fragile wings", i would play F-15A much more often. And of course, if there was at least something like, Aim7P Sparrow with Data Link. Losing lock with R-27ER means re-lock, and propably going to hit anyways. Losing lock and TRYING to re-lock with Aim-7M means blowing up in air and you can't do anything. R-27ER is much more faster, has greater range, better maneuvers and notching it... It's a nightmare. And maybe i will not even start about, how reliable was IRL the Vympel R-27R/T ( It was horrible, even worse than Aim-7E Sparrow during Vietnam War, despite the only 10% of actually hitting the target ) Also, every Top Tier USSR aircraft has HMD somehow, so using radar on these jets is literally "foolproof". Also any of these three F-15's NOT having TWS is L soo... Aaand then my teammates. I personally got literally the most bored mfs that were playing Subway Surfers while playing ARB, whenever I've played F-15... Well they sometimes got themselves some kills, but more often, i found myself in these scenarios completely alone, standing against literally almost whole enemy team. And it was like 3 minutes after getting into furball. And btw, my skill is below the average so it all doesn't make any sense, how could only I stay alive with my skill. And my W/L ratio pretty much says the same.

Why does the seek decal go so hard

The main problem with the F-15 is that it has a higher skill floor. In good hands, the F-15 will be just as good as the other 12.7s, but in bad hands it will be much worse. This killed the statistics of the plane ar launch because even the good players still took time to figure the plane out. The main balancing challenge Gaijin has is that the main factor that sets planes apart is how easy they are to fly.

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Never got a downtier in the F15 ... 100% of matches are against 12.7 planes.

Holy shit. That intro is fire and your decal is talking to my soul. ❤️‍🔥

all you have to do to highlight the f-15's place at 12.7 is compare it to the mirage 4000. Magic 2's might be the best IR missile in the game in terms of IRCCM, but they're extremely range limited, and the fuze time makes them a dice roll in any head on if they even track, which is not often. The 530D's are pretty okay. And that's about it. The loadout is mid, theres no HMD, flight performance is pretty mid... sure it can dog fight, but its fuel load seems to effect its performance more than most other aircraft, and when do you really get in a 1v1 dogfight in top tier? As a French main, seeing people justify the 12.3 f15 is WILD.

Couldnt have said it better myself! Great video!! The best way to put it is there is no way R-60s on mig 23s go against 9ms. Never should happen

Thats the coldest decal ever by any RU-vidr🥶🥶

All the french need is the Raphle to be competitive

Imagine when J20s F22s/35s and Su-57s get added💀

the TK at 8:37 is one of the unluckiest Tks i have seen

Right now the f14 is a blast. Knocking 3 premiums out of the air with 6 phoenixs off rip is fun.

It’s also the only would be 12.7 without HMD meaning aside from raw dogfighting and the 9Ms, it doesn’t really have the edge needed to push it to 12.7

Honestly I ratter play the f16C over the F15

11:25 I don't agree with that statement of being just an opinion, at top tier the missiles matter way way more than the flight model or how much ammo it carries, F-15A is not a match to a Su-27 at it's current state, you said yourself that you'd choose Gripen or Su-27 anyday over the F-15A. USA needs better radar missiles that is a match to russian ones, not sure why they haven't added the AIM-7P to the game, it's 7M with datalink which R-27ER already has.

the only thing ive seen beat the F15 in a dogfight is the B Tomcat in a low speed engagement

it really depends on how you view the f15 in general tbh. If we only looked at the flight performance wise then f15 should be 12.7 for sure. it out performs alot of peers around 20min of fuel. However, toptier if we look at it in general f15 don't really belong there because it just really doesn't have a lot going for it. It's wings rips easily compared to the rest, it doesn't out perform a lot of people thats around the 12.7 range (except for su27 flight performance wise) and even when it did does it matter? the fight is heavily missile based now which is why su27 is the most viable option in the current meta despite its dogshit flight model

8:41 That Teamkill is why I don't use the AIM-7M much anymore. You can't trust the radar missiles to hit their target and not a friendly.

Sincerely, most of the complains made on the video can e boiled down to the F-15A and the other planes mentioned being essentially true to their historical namesakes. The F-15A, like the F-14A was introduced into operational use in the early 1970s, it's most common opponents were Mig-21s, MiG-23/27s and Su-22s. It doesn't have a HMD because HMD was created years into the future. It doesn't carry 6 or AIM-9Ls because the F-15A was specifically made for a load out of 4 Sidewinder and and 4 Super Sparrows. Sincerely, Gaijin already took a poetic license giving it the ability to carry bonbs which the original initially couldn't, the he development of the plane was under the moto of "Not a Pound to Air to Ground", it only could do after very late batches, because it was first done by Israel on the F-15I, and it was an upgrade that was already been on the making for the F-15C, so why not retrofit the As with some air to ground capabilities, but it was only the last few blocks that received this upgrade. The Su-27 and MiG-29 entered service almost a decade later, just a few years before the F-15C and the F-15E Strike Eacle, a variant that is specialized in air to ground and that could do air to air nearly as well. The F-16A also entered service nearly a decade after the F-15A and the F-14A, and the C variant entered service in the Mid eighties. So it is should that the MoG-29s, Su27s, and F-16s have better overall technology, because they were newer planes. By a wide margin, I won't even pu the Gripen on the same league, because the Gripen A entered service in the early 1990s and the Gripen C on the late 1990s and early 2000s the original Gripen, overal packed more modern technologies than the F-16A and even the F-16Cs. The R-73 also was indeed a better missile than the Sparrow and only with the introduction of th AAMRAM, the American fighter got a better missile. Só I thing that 12.3 is the right place for the F-15A.

See I disagree, I think the ONLY reason to keep the F-15A at 12.3 is the lack of HMD. I do significantly better in my F-16C or SU-27 than I do in my F-15A simply because I don’t have to point my nose exactly at the enemy to get the shot off and the HMD PD is huge for getting SARH shots off on both of them. I think if they added the HMD to F-15 it would be fine at 12.7 but it’s too big of a disadvantage

got inspired by your war thunder content! Trying to make myself a RU-vidr as well, ur a great inspiration!

While I agree that 12.3 is problematic for the F-15, my experience since getting the F-16A is that 12.0 for that is just *wild.* I usually see 12.7 with the F-15, but it's comparitively rare with the F-16A, which just stomps on the phantoms and starfighters it sees routinely.

That’s gotta be the hardest decal I’ve ever seen. You know if it’s possible to get it on console?

So the F15 has one big issue for me: THE FRICKING WING RIP...every few games my wing just says bye bye

No way the 15 outperforms the 16C in a dogfight lol. You must not be fighting competent pilots.

The flight performance, Radar and 4 Aim9M should automatically make this a 12.7

Hey Seek, totally see your opinion from your perspective but you have to remember that there are more players who are casual players than those who are above average and can play war thunder the way you do with this aircraft.

You mitigate the lack of HMD by using radar slaving.

I wish i could love this plane since it one of my favourite, but the stock grind for this damn thing was so ass i have to GE my way through the sparrow and 4 9L just so i can actually do something in the constant up tiering to 12.7 (that being said i am in no mean a great player and i fly f16c way more often so there's that)

That decal is CLEAN

This is probably niche but the use of the ace combat 7 campaign music at the start was class

shoulda got the F15 in September smhsmh

You introduced me to the orbital strike gameplay with the J-7E I miss that meta...

I think the very fact that Gaijin THEMSELVES put the F-15 (along with the other top planes introduced in air superiority) into the game at 12.3 and not 12.0 is proof enough that the F-15 should have ALSO been moved up with the other top dogs.

Eow, I love the F-15 too but I have to be a F-14B pilot, just to help reduce the numbers of enemy team. Usually have a decent chance of removing 1 or 2 enemy planes. With a good amount of counter measures, it can survive for a bit and help waste more enemy missiles. My luck with the F-15 is probably bad, I only get uptiers vs entire teams of SU-27s. It's lots of fun if you don't have to deal with dozens of R-27ERs though. AIM-9M helps a lot.

I really like the decal, will be picking it up!

I love the f15, it was my favorite when i was a child when it was the top dog. I play alot of sim so the tactic are a bit different.

Why does your Afterburner look so cool blueish? Even if i play on Film settings it doesnt look that way for me

Agree with everything, only thing is i would be careful about saying that it beats an ML/MLD that easily. The F-15 is probably a better dogfighter on paper, but I quite often kill F-15s in the MLD in dogfights. Now, in the vast majority of these cases, they screwed up, but my case still stands which is that the difference is not as big as you make it out to be, even if the F-15 does have the advantage. I think your opinion might be skewed by the low pilot skill of premium ML players.

Hasn't the F-15 only fought like 3rd gen aircraft and 3rd world countries I'm not aware of everything it's fought so I could be wrong? But if so it's "105/0" record isn't all that meaningful in my opinion(keyword opinion).

That cinamatic made me feel so proud being an American.