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THE COMPLETE LORE OF ETHEL CAIN 

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@iiloveyoshi
@iiloveyoshi 7 месяцев назад
rip ethel cain you would’ve loved ethel cain
@mirtewillianne5588
@mirtewillianne5588 11 месяцев назад
Ethel being a unreliable narrator can be backed up by the fact that Ethel dies in the attic. She never escaped the attic, never ran out in the woods and Isaiah never chased her. In August Underground you can hear Isaiah slam a door in the last few seconds, leaving Ethel to die, alone, in the attic.
@sapphicdionysus
@sapphicdionysus 9 месяцев назад
Also to further the idea that she is in fact an unreliable narrator is that in the first verse of Strangers in that very first line she claims Isaiah left her in the basement but then she does to say that "they make love in attic", which well we know that a basement is underground and an attic is above ground on the roof to be more specific.
@ghjh56
@ghjh56 9 месяцев назад
@@sapphicdionysus As I do understand what you're saying - I feel like it's not so much based on her unreliability as a narrator as much as it is open to interpretation to fans. There is a possibility that Isaiah was just really damaged and had cannibalistic tendencies before he met Ethel - therefore decided to move her from the attic to the basement fridge to preserve the meat. It does in turn still poison him, BUT it's also double-sided because she could be reflecting on actually giving him food poisoning or just feeling like she's not good enough for him or anyone for that matter.
@chazlabreck
@chazlabreck 5 месяцев назад
@@ghjh56 You made me think that the idea that a little message in the song here is if you had been eaten is your own fault for not being good enough in life ,,like you failed god and he didn't protect you no matter how innocent you had been,,, but then again you got in the car! so free will and all... did you defy god by not trusting or trusting too much ??
@tvsrn44
@tvsrn44 4 месяца назад
I am a new daughter and the first thing I clocked when we discovered that she’s an unreliable narrator is how SA survivors, or trauma victims often have different memories of events because their brain is so haywire with the trauma. Many moments get blurred out and even manipulated. It also completely humanises Ethel as humans are imperfect. Work of ART. ♥️
@julacakes
@julacakes 4 месяца назад
i always interpreted the slam at the end the final blow to ethel. like, maybe he was using a hatchet or something to kill her, and that was the final blow since there’s complete silence after that.
@ev.xe.
@ev.xe. 11 месяцев назад
she's the type to accidently date a serial killer.
@jasonvoorhees5640
@jasonvoorhees5640 7 месяцев назад
who that guy "ethel"?
@tihipixi
@tihipixi 7 месяцев назад
@@jasonvoorhees5640 its sad how obsessed u are 💀
@moony3335
@moony3335 7 месяцев назад
Wait til you get to Preachers Daughter LMAO
@crterjd8154
@crterjd8154 7 месяцев назад
@@jasonvoorhees5640the obsession is sad😭 if you have to purposely do shit like this just to feel special then you definitely need help
@jasonvoorhees5640
@jasonvoorhees5640 7 месяцев назад
@@crterjd8154 wym?
@keonsene
@keonsene Год назад
a thing i’ve noticed about a lot of ethel’s songs describing a toxic relationship with a man could also be interpreted or even a double entendre for god/jesus especially knuckle velvet
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
omg i love that
@fr33dumb0
@fr33dumb0 9 месяцев назад
I feel like this is every song ever tho, no?
@znekkk
@znekkk 9 месяцев назад
@@fr33dumb0 i don't think shake it off by taylor swift could be understood as a double entendre for jesus
@ghjh56
@ghjh56 9 месяцев назад
@@znekkk Lmao
@cassiopeiathew7406
@cassiopeiathew7406 9 месяцев назад
@@znekkk “The Players gonna play, play, play, play, play, play and the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate (haters gonna hate), So baby I’m just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, Shake it Off, Shake it Off.” Genesis 22:13
@harpershattuck1025
@harpershattuck1025 9 месяцев назад
i genuinely believe that a lot of ethels songs have a triple meaning-- almost like the holy trinity. always about 3 men: her father, god, and a love interest. i absolutely adore your interpretations-- so glad i stumbled across this. Ethel Cain is one of my absolute favorite artists ever. Saw her live in DC
@MysteriousBeingOfLight
@MysteriousBeingOfLight 7 месяцев назад
that's brilliant
@liv444vil
@liv444vil 4 месяца назад
This is so enlightened it made me wanna scream
@dougmccoll6126
@dougmccoll6126 Месяц назад
yup...she wonders what they are all about, what they all really want and if she will ever be enough in their eyes. If the God that her dad preached about was sooo good why did he let him die, leaving her family so messed up while she was so young? What kind of god? Do you think this might have affected her socio-emotional development having this happen on the doorstep of becoming a tween and taking an interest in boys/men. Thank God she can make music. If we still hold out hope that there is a God, surely she will never lose that gift.
@billohara7363
@billohara7363 11 месяцев назад
I think Hayden once said the ''person' she's singing about in head in the wall is a personification of her own trauma from her childhood.
@jasonvoorhees5640
@jasonvoorhees5640 7 месяцев назад
is hayden the guys real name?
@fionaslatteryyy
@fionaslatteryyy 7 месяцев назад
ethel cain is a persona/stage name she created for this saga, hayden silas anhedönia is her real name
@kobiecarroll3169
@kobiecarroll3169 6 месяцев назад
@@jasonvoorhees5640*The girl's
@jupiterskallisto7302
@jupiterskallisto7302 6 месяцев назад
Just fyi, Hayden is female and goes by she/her. I hope this was by accident because you didn't know any better and not because you woke up today and wanted to be shitty...
@jasonvoorhees5640
@jasonvoorhees5640 6 месяцев назад
@@jupiterskallisto7302 wym dude?
@chanelchic6489
@chanelchic6489 7 месяцев назад
A prayer app ad on an Ethel Cain video is wild
@znekkk
@znekkk 7 месяцев назад
LMAOOO
@eileenscat
@eileenscat 10 месяцев назад
I honestly love the fact that some of her songs explore all these dark themes. It never feels disrespectful in its execution, if anything it feels honest, and that’s some catharsis victims of abuse rarely get from any other sources.
@soggyshrimp
@soggyshrimp 6 месяцев назад
right like ptolomaea speaks so much to me. i loved the execution and the religious innuendos she used to execute the point of the song
@charisleighmusic
@charisleighmusic Год назад
Beautifully done. A few lines that always break me 1) “Please can I sleep?” (Hard Times) 2) “I love you and I’ll see you when you get here.”(Strangers 3) “I tried to be good am I no good?”(strangers).
@hkqtt
@hkqtt 11 месяцев назад
The one that gets me the most is “I’m not scared of god, I’m scared he was gone all along” in inbred
@izzie9399
@izzie9399 8 месяцев назад
also: - "id lie to her and say that im doing fine when really id kms to hold you one more time" (a house in nebraska) - "all thats left are your walls and youll die there" (western nights) - "im tired of you still tied to me. bleeding whenever you want" (hard times) - "please dont look at me, i can see it in your eyes. he keeps looking at me. tell me what have you done." (ptolemaea) - "i spend my life watching it go by from the sidelines. and god ive tried" (sun bleached flies) - "don't think about it too hard or youll never sleep a wink at night again, dont worry about me or these green eyes" (strangers) - "sneaking out while you're asleep cause youre my biggest fear" (misuse oh) - "you take all of your sins out on my body like everyone else does" (head in the wall) - "you cant win em all. who knows how much longer ill lay on the floor. touch me til i vomit" (inbred) - "im not scared of god, im scared he was gone all along" (inbred) - "scumbag fuck, but i swear that hes not. hes so good to me and nobody else" (inbred)
@naomixuoo8438
@naomixuoo8438 6 месяцев назад
or “god loves you but not enough to save you.”
@mliyahc9464
@mliyahc9464 11 месяцев назад
haydens storytelling is so amazing i really hope she gets into writing books possibly someday or maybe films. i think what really drew me into her music is how cinematic it was but also the lyricism was some of the best songwriting ive seen in recent years.
@Danksigmalord
@Danksigmalord 10 месяцев назад
She's said that the Preacher's Daughter series will be a trilogy, covering the daughter, then the mother, and finally the grandmother. At some point she also said each one is getting an album, book, and movie which is great. I think she said it'll take atleast 9 years tho 😕
@mliyahc9464
@mliyahc9464 10 месяцев назад
@@Danksigmalord i am SO ready for this omg
@Midnightconfessional
@Midnightconfessional 5 месяцев назад
@@Danksigmalord omg 9 years from when? I need to know 😭
@Danksigmalord
@Danksigmalord 5 месяцев назад
@@Midnightconfessional idk probablu when Preacher's Daughter came out- also she didn't make a specific schedule of when things are being made/coming out, this is just her guess
@twoheadedsoty
@twoheadedsoty 3 месяца назад
@@mliyahc9464 real, i want a book about ethel cains life
@P1nkfilmz2
@P1nkfilmz2 Год назад
I'm not being dramtic when I say after listening to preachers daughter to the frist time something shifted I've never had an album impact me as much as this one it's truly a masterpiece
@racheljthompson
@racheljthompson Год назад
Literally same. I've never had an album hold me so completely spellbound.
@hkqtt
@hkqtt 11 месяцев назад
Yea I’m deep in the rabbit hole rn
@eventhorizon2264
@eventhorizon2264 11 месяцев назад
Her music made me feel something after feeling so numb for a long time
@facilegoose9347
@facilegoose9347 10 месяцев назад
Try Emma Ruth Rundle, & Lissie's "Dragula" cover.
@savannahcooper7143
@savannahcooper7143 10 месяцев назад
Absolutely same
@Varient
@Varient 8 месяцев назад
the first time I listened to Ptolemaea it scared the shit out of me. It still does.
@znekkk
@znekkk 8 месяцев назад
bro the first time i listened to it, i was outside at like 2am in winter it scared me so bad
@Varient
@Varient 8 месяцев назад
@@znekkk holy crap that would’ve been terrifying
@neevagarwal9773
@neevagarwal9773 7 месяцев назад
Ptolemaea was the first song of ethel i listened to. I was in the library studying for my exams. I cried in the middle of the library
@znekkk
@znekkk 7 месяцев назад
@@neevagarwal9773 you're so valid
@ashlin-dz8ml
@ashlin-dz8ml 4 месяца назад
it scares me so bad that i can’t listen to it. that’s how much of a masterpiece it is. it’s vile and gut wrenching and it actually makes you feel something when you listen to it. it gives me chills every time
@Jessiethechildofgod
@Jessiethechildofgod Год назад
BC HE FREAKING ATE HER 😭😭
@TheAbigailDee
@TheAbigailDee Год назад
ALL SHE EVER WANTED WAS TO BE TRULY LOVED. What an album! What an artist! What a great description! Well made video!!
@drowzy888
@drowzy888 9 месяцев назад
i need this lore as a movie. god.
@b19wing
@b19wing 4 месяца назад
Ethel Cain or Hayden will eventually make the album trilogy into books and movies but I'll take the rest of her career most likely
@MFKitten
@MFKitten 7 месяцев назад
I see her "real" last name listed as Anhedönia everywhere. Anhedonia is a psychiatric symptom of depression, which describes the inability to enjoy any pleasures. I suspect there's one more layer of identity.
@faintfangs
@faintfangs 5 месяцев назад
That’s now her legal last name, but her former family name is Horner
@emilypaul677
@emilypaul677 Год назад
I always interpreted both verses at the end of strangers to be talking to her mother. Saying she didn’t blame her mother for being violent (as is hinted to in family tree) as she now understands it was a response to being “torn apart” being hurt & likely abused by men herself
@emilypaul677
@emilypaul677 Год назад
Meaning that she ended up in heaven & is waiting for her mother. Does anyone know if there’s more info from Ethel/Hayden abt it?
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
@@emilypaul677 ooo i really like that interpretation, idk if hayden's said anything about it, but then again i havent watched many of her livestreams all the way through, so she might have !!
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
i'm making a follow-up video with some of the theories in my comments, can i put this in it?
@peachcloudz
@peachcloudz 11 месяцев назад
This is how I interpreted the lyrics as well and I thought that's what the annotations made note of as well on lyric genius but I could be misremembering.
@sunbIeachedflies
@sunbIeachedflies Год назад
i love that you described all of her EP’s, they’re often overlooked in her discography. love this video
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
my favorite project is a tie between inbred and preacher's daughter, and my favorite songs are strangers, knuckle velvet, and two-headed mother (:
@sunbIeachedflies
@sunbIeachedflies Год назад
@@znekkk i love strangers!
@serenity19005
@serenity19005 10 месяцев назад
oooo someone who also loves two-headed mother! one of her most underrated songs in my opinion (same with strangers) @@znekkk
@avedic
@avedic 10 месяцев назад
The Florida Heat EP is one of my favorites.... 4 songs that sound distinct to everything else she's done. Almost has a trap influence at times. Along with her brand of southern gothic dream pop. Really gorgeous little gem of a mini album.
@mandontlookatme6562
@mandontlookatme6562 11 месяцев назад
what a heartbreaking story, all she ever wanted was to be loved
@xath3nax
@xath3nax Год назад
I just recently got into Ethel Cain and I’m utterly infatuated with her music. It’s fucking beautiful and your deep dive is perfect.
@briannajohnston1636
@briannajohnston1636 Год назад
This is such a great comprehensive video on Ethel Cain, I'm a huge fan of hers. But I've never seen anyone go in-depth into her EPs so I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts and interpretations on that! One minor thing about the PD lore though: Ethel is murdered in Isaiah's attic and then stored in his basement. I know there's stuff that kind of circulated online about how she was running through the woods, but I believe it was confirmed by Hayden that her murder actually took place in his attic which is why an attic is referenced in Strangers. Also, Hayden said that the loud bang at the end of August Underground is him slamming the door. You did a really great job compiling so much lore into one video! I've been waiting for someone to make a video like this cause I just love hearing how others interpret her work :)
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
oooo i'm working on captions rn so i'll insert that in there when i get to that (:
@hkqtt
@hkqtt 11 месяцев назад
To me, the abuser in the song inbred is the brother. It sounds like she is trauma bonded and committed to saying he’s a good person
@znekkk
@znekkk 11 месяцев назад
ooo interesting take
@elizabethhuber434
@elizabethhuber434 9 месяцев назад
That is how I understood it as well. If you have heard Two Children in a Motel, it makes more sense.
@linkguist6861
@linkguist6861 9 месяцев назад
​@@znekkk this would also make sense because she implies her brother is also the only one who can save her but he has to stop his demons....aka he could stop hurting her.
@avaneer8843
@avaneer8843 4 месяца назад
my own personal opinion i think it's her father who's abusing her and i think her & her brother have something to do with her father's death BUT I DONT KNOW like i know he passing in a fire but i feel as if maybe they caused it and how ethel talks about how she's killed and she will kill again maybe implies her & her brother killed the father but the brother went down for it in the part where it says " who will take the fall" BUT THATS JUST A THEORY I DONT KNOW
@m2srh
@m2srh 3 месяца назад
@@avaneer8843oh my god ur mind
@heathert.4727
@heathert.4727 9 месяцев назад
Ptolemaea is about rape and if it's not, it still perfectly describes what rape feels like.
@thedink07
@thedink07 5 месяцев назад
it's actually about ethel being cannibalized by her lover, isaiah. you can kind of see the realization of what's happening as the "stop's" in the last part of the song, with the eventual scream as she's killed. the flies buzzing in the background kind of allude to her inevitable fate (death), at least in my opinion. in ptolemaea, their punishment has them up to their necks in ice and are eating the other traitor. ethel is a “traitor” to her community and family by going against their beliefs and isaiah is a traitor to ethel by killing her, and eating her.
@daltonfore9726
@daltonfore9726 4 месяца назад
@@thedink07 actually ptolemaea is her being so drugged out that she’s losing her sense of reality. she essentially thinks that isiah is possessed due to the drugs and he starts attacking her. she eventually escapes and in the end of the song it’s death telling her “she can’t run forever”. isiah eventually kills her in august underground whereas televangelism is her soul ascending to their afterlife and finally being at peace.
@daltonfore9726
@daltonfore9726 4 месяца назад
@@thedink07isiah doesn’t eat her until strangers and gives him food poisoning as a final “fuck you” i guess you could say lmao
@thedink07
@thedink07 4 месяца назад
@@daltonfore9726 oh yeah ptolemaea is about her drug induced haze and her hallucinating, but i’m pretty sure it also is her death, televangelism and august underground is her simultaneous death/ decay and rise to a higher plane, sun bleached flies is her in heaven (or just a higher place) reflecting on her life. i would totally agree with you if strangers wasn’t about isaiah cannibalizing ethel. all of the metaphors about eating, her being a “freezer bride”, etc. it obviously does have a double meaning with her asking if she was no good in her mortal life, but also as he’s eating her. idk, this is what i found from my own research 🤷‍♀️
@b19wing
@b19wing 4 месяца назад
Well ptolemaea is the cicle in hell in Dante's divine comedy where traitors are placed. They are trapped in ice up to their necks and they are forced to eat each other for food and as punishment for their sins.
@lucia9806
@lucia9806 11 месяцев назад
love this! i read somewhere her father dies in a fire and i love the theory that ethel is the one that kills him hence family tree (wanting to be washed off her huge sin of murder, being a child but still violent etc) i also like the idea of “i've killed before and i'll kill again” being literal? also i believe it's in gibson girl that ethel mentions burning while she hallucinates. that could be her guilt of what she did. maybe ethel kills both her father and logan? this would really mean she's an unreliable narrator. it's also interesting to think about how the daughters of cain cult and vera cain fit into this narrative. i can't wait for the next album to develop the narrative further!
@znekkk
@znekkk 11 месяцев назад
omg this is such a cool theory can i mention it in my next video??
@beccad225
@beccad225 10 месяцев назад
yesss i want to know more about the daughters of cain cult!!!
@jaminavestajugo3456
@jaminavestajugo3456 8 месяцев назад
If I may build on your interesting idea, it's possible that Ethel feels she is responsible for the death of her father because she told someone--perhaps her mother or grandmother--about the abuse, and that person killed her father. Ethel feels somehow responsible for this, feeling guilty for not finding another way to endure or end the abuse. It sounds extreme, but really a lot of survivors can feel this way somehow. They don't tell someone about abuse because they want to protect the abuser. Or if they tell and the abuser gets punished, they feel like they are the ones who hurt the abuser. Does that make sense?
@nanashflash
@nanashflash 7 месяцев назад
​@jaminavestajugo3456 that's what I believe. I think the violence she talks about with her mother is that her mother killed her father after finding out what he was doing. This is totally speculative, but I don't think she even told her mother, her mother just found out. When she talks about killing, it's as though by existing, she caused her mother to kill her father. She doomed him be existing (which is a twisted thing, because her father blamed her for the abuse he put her through)
@ela-cu8bw
@ela-cu8bw 9 месяцев назад
Fun fact knuckle velvet is fur grown on deer antlers and shed during the summer when deer usually use trees to rub their antlers on, I love how this ties in with knuckle velvet being “torn on my teeth” and if I didn’t know much about deers I’d be lost so o hope this gives more meaning to that song
@TheNekoPastel
@TheNekoPastel 6 месяцев назад
"Isaiah FREAKING A-" 😂 I have fallen into the Ethel Cain rabbit hole 😭😭
@cassiopeiathew7406
@cassiopeiathew7406 9 месяцев назад
I think one of the lines that sticks with me the most is “God loves you, but not enough to save you.” I’m a trans woman, like Hayden, and my relationship to my mother broke me throughout my high school years. I spent so much time arguing and trying to get her to understand who I am, only for her to remain right where she started and slip deeper into the opposite direction because she was unwilling to expand the circumference of what she felt god would think was okay to do and be. She chose god over me and I only really let that sink in recently when I was watching a episode of Brittany Broski’s podcast. I didn’t grow up in a necessarily devout church, the community wasn’t tight and neither was the grip is held on young people. I always fell into the group of kids everybody kind of knew was only ever going to Sunday school because their parents made them, and who probably didn’t believe in god. I think it was the shame of knowing I didn’t and the fear of being wrong that kept me believing as long as I did, which was only into the seventh grade. In the back of my mind I never did really believe in him I don’t think, I just was terrified of that meaning I failed my mother and that her love was conditional. In her eyes I have failed her and I’ve come to learn that her love is conditional, she mentions wanting the best for me but she never has and she has never lifted a finger trying to get me where for years I’ve wanted to go. There was a point in my life where her approval meant so much to me that it was gods approval, that I placed her in my head and not of my intention in the place of god. I had to spend years tearing down that false idol, and now I’m here. I’m young but I’m not going to stay young, I’m trying to transition and I know other trans people, but I’m lost. Nobody is going to save me but myself, and I don’t know how to save myself. But all I know is that I’m going to try. “God loves you, but not enough to save you. So, baby girl, good luck taking care of yourself.”
@znekkk
@znekkk 9 месяцев назад
proud of you for being here today, and i hope your life takes a turn for the better
@finch2828
@finch2828 4 месяца назад
I personally like to think that during the last chorus of Strangers (repetition of "am i making you feel sick?") is ethel's final cry of frustrations, with each question repeated over and over again, she changes courses from asking if she's no good to making sure that she's no good (in his stomach lol) her first and final victory against him (giving him food poisoning), and she milks it by reiterating the question over and over again, as if mocking him, before finally moving on and changing her audience towards her parents
@ella5618
@ella5618 Месяц назад
Hayden has said herself he doesn’t eat her
@ella5618
@ella5618 Месяц назад
It’s supposed to be analysed more deeply than first level
@enzozachtv
@enzozachtv 11 месяцев назад
My friend is a lesbian and told me about this album. She listens to this when she has religious flashbacks. These religious flashbacks are caused because she grew up going to church and felt that these feelings of her being a lesbian and having to listen to a pastor speaking against same sex relationships every Sunday stressed her out. She barely talks to her dad cause he seems to criticize her for being lesbian, and she is too afraid to discuss it with her mom. She has only admitted her sexuality in front of her dad and wishes she would of done so in front of her mom too. Her mother seems to be really against same sex sexuality’s. I am a bisexual who has questioned my gender for years and it got more serious as I got older. My parents are very religious and criticize that a lot. I’m going through what my friend has had to go through.
@znekkk
@znekkk 11 месяцев назад
wow, i'm sorry to hear that :((( im glad your friend found something she connected to
@fr33dumb0
@fr33dumb0 9 месяцев назад
Can I ask you if you think your homosexuality was something that you were born with or would you attribute it to experience? Or both? Or neither? Genuinely curious and if you choose not to answer I totally respect that choice.
@iiloveyoshi
@iiloveyoshi 7 месяцев назад
i totally get this especially in my personal interpretation of the lyrics of “strangers” where it repeats “am i no good?” throughout the entire song, which just reminds me of how i feel i disappoint and disgust my mother
@Cal-hl5rm
@Cal-hl5rm 7 месяцев назад
I feel this. I also think queer (and especially trans) people make some of the most interesting, heartbreaking, beautiful horror, because we know what it's like to feel powerless, to feel wrong in our bodies, to feel scared and alone. the themes of self disgust and trauma and being abandoned that make horror scary are unfortunately things a lot of queer people experience first hand. And that really sucks, but art like this helps us get through it. I hope you find your people
@AdriftInTheWatersGorge
@AdriftInTheWatersGorge 4 месяца назад
@@fr33dumb0 Can I ask you if you think your Heterosexuality was something that you were born with or would you attribute it to experience? Or both? Or neither? Genuinely curious and if you choose not to answer I totally respect that choice.
@alexhiatt996
@alexhiatt996 10 месяцев назад
Ethel Cain had truly changed how I listen to music. After Preachers Daughter a lot of music stopped hitting the same for me.
@ailistere
@ailistere 10 месяцев назад
i've only listened to a few ethel cain songs but after watching this i am absolutely gob smacked the lore is insane im so fascinated
@themolecularlevel
@themolecularlevel Год назад
“he freaking ate her” im crying 😭💀
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
he fREAKING ATE HER
@EmvyBeats
@EmvyBeats 10 месяцев назад
Who freaking ate her, ill eat them back!
@j444mes
@j444mes 11 месяцев назад
you FREAKING ATE with this analysis. Hayden is a genius
@znekkk
@znekkk 11 месяцев назад
she really is
@NinaHenkel-b5c
@NinaHenkel-b5c 11 месяцев назад
I think it’s so interesting how this album can be interpreted in so many ways. I love reading and seeing all the theories. Hayden is such a genius for creating such complex music that can be interpreted differently while also being relatable even if you didn’t go through the things ethel did.
@angelheart_
@angelheart_ Год назад
me when im autistic: bro wow love this so cool thank you
@BullyPop
@BullyPop Год назад
Going from Carpet Bed to Golden Age with the TikTok voice is high camp and I live. 😭 I’m loving this analysis so far!
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
i was so tired i could not be bothered
@intrepidpatience
@intrepidpatience 10 месяцев назад
hayden anhedonia’s entire philosophy on the ring and the maze brings me so much clarity in my perspective
@nathankirkpatrick9693
@nathankirkpatrick9693 7 дней назад
In Inbred - the lyric “if he wakes up he’ll show you what I’m talking about” always seemed to me that the assault was happening under the same roof but while her brother was asleep, lending credence to the theory that it was Ethel’s dad who was abusing her all along
@Ultrajay12345
@Ultrajay12345 Год назад
Found out about Ethel/Hayden from the new Ashnikko project, and have been falling in SO MUCH love with all of Hayden's music, this video was amazing, thank you! Loved especially when you talked about the stories going on in the EP's, definitely going to check them out now.
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
@DUCKPURGE
@DUCKPURGE Год назад
me too, fallen star was my favourite of her new album
@lucastop9s834
@lucastop9s834 Год назад
Would’ve loved a comment on how Famous Last Words might tie into the story because it also touches on themes of being cannibalized but this is some prime time 10/10 content right here
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
i finished the script like two days before famous last words came out 😭 i wouldve loved to talk about it but i couldnt find the right place in the script
@chrispycore
@chrispycore Год назад
famous last words is about the movie “bones and all (2022)”
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
@@chrispycore i know, i'm writing it into a following video and discussing the movie and how some themes carry over
@emogoesboom
@emogoesboom 10 месяцев назад
I have my math's final tomorrow but instead of studying, I just watched the most amazing 38 minute long video essay on Ethel Cain. Honestly, the amount of effort you've put into this video is truly astonishing. I hope you get more recognition. Honestly, my love for Hayden has increased so much after watching this; she's quite possibly the best artist of this generation. Also did I mention, that you freaking ATE this video😭
@thomaslacabane8811
@thomaslacabane8811 Год назад
Girl yassss ! I discovered Ethel like 2 weeks ago, and she's already my 6th most streamed artist all-time on Spotify. Preacher's Daughter is like the best piece of art on earth period. I listened to her EPs as well, and loved all 3 them, but didn't really dive into them so hearing you explaining them so in depth was very interesting to me. I've been literally obsessed with her music for the past few weeks and I'm gonna have an oral presentation focused on Preacher's Daughter for uni in English class (as I'm not a native English speaker), and I'll definitely use your video and interpretations to make my own script for my work. Thank you for diving into Ethel's discography, she literally deserves a literature nobel prize for it.
@beccad225
@beccad225 10 месяцев назад
The instrumentals also say a whole lot! The last couple minutes in Thoroughfare depict s3x/having an 0rgasm (the gradual increase in intensity of her voice, "oh YEAHah", etc). In August Underground, it sounds (to me) like she's disoriented after being drugged/hallucinating, and you can hear a very clear gvnshot and her heartbeat slowly dy!ng out in the end. In Televangelism, the varying piano sounds feel like her ascending to heaven/the afterlife, then fighting with this fate/fighting to stay alive as the piano gets loud and discord-y, and eventually it evens out again as she finally d!es and moves on to the afterlife. Also, PHENOMENAL video!! I audibly went "ooohh" at a few points, and laughed out loud at "you're de@d now, have standards." and the repetition of "CUZ HE FREAKIN ATE HER" hahaha. I LOVED this!!!!!!! Thank you
@znekkk
@znekkk 10 месяцев назад
i LOVE how expressive the instrumentals are
@beccad225
@beccad225 10 месяцев назад
@@znekkk shes a musical genius
@itschrissspy
@itschrissspy 7 месяцев назад
in August Underground, it's not actually a gunshot but Isaiah slamming the attic door, leaving Ethel to die
@SomeOne-ge7mg
@SomeOne-ge7mg 3 месяца назад
I just found her music on a tiktok and now my perception of reality has been changed
@tahlia9035
@tahlia9035 Год назад
I thought maybe Lillies was about Willoughby, and how perfect and pure things were for them and then the "I'm gonna hurt/lose you" is either her sense of self doubt/lack of self worth she may have due to trauma, OR its meant to foreshadow the later events, since in house in Nebraska she talks about how "she's the reason" he's not coming home which could tie into "I know I'm gonna lose you" idk it might be far fetched but that's what I thought, love the vid!
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
that's a great theory! i never connected that but it makes a lot of sense
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
i'm making a follow-up video with some of the theories in my comments, can i put this in it?
@cherrycokee
@cherrycokee 20 дней назад
i thought this too!
@gghost4237
@gghost4237 17 дней назад
i'm only a few minutes in, but i want to thank you (and any collaborators) so much for the subtitles!! your voice is very clear, but i still struggle to understand People Speaking due to my autism, so any help is welcome. i bet many other neurodivergent people felt happy too.
@QuietJosie
@QuietJosie 6 месяцев назад
My friend introduced me to Ethel Cain while we were on a trip (I was driving), and I was so blown away by the vocals, the instrumentals, and the heartbreaking story. I've lived my whole life trying to end the generational trauma in my family (sa and other forms of abuse from older family members, religious trauma as well), and I never really had anything/anyone to truly understand some of the things I went through until my friend played Preacher's Daughter.... and now that I have a better understanding of what the songs mean (thanks to you Znekkk) it's made me even more drawn to Ethel and her story. Thank you for going in depth, it's helped me feel less alone :)
@juunebuugg
@juunebuugg Год назад
oh I’m only a few seconds in and I literally know pretty much all of her lore but anytime I see someone else talking about it in depth I get so excited
@juunebuugg
@juunebuugg Год назад
#autism
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
ur just like me fr
@juunebuugg
@juunebuugg Год назад
@@znekkkbestie fr ‼️
@Moonsong_
@Moonsong_ 11 месяцев назад
I adore Hayden. I also would like to share this little something: months ago when I listened to Preacher’s daughter for the first time I made up my own opinion about televangelism’s possible meaning, since she was the daughter of the preach and she disappeared out of nowhere + televangelists go on tv to share religious messages, I thought that a televangelist had shared her death on tv or that someone had done some sort of ceremony durning the song. I know this isn’t right but just wanted to say this rq.
@euphoriaasick
@euphoriaasick 10 месяцев назад
i thought August underground was just the sound of ethel slowly dying in the attic
@yavral4
@yavral4 10 месяцев назад
I interpret two headed mother as her somewhat showing her power over the men who abuse her. She puts herself on a pedestal as an all-knowing mother who creates and kills anything she wishes to. In a pretty metaphorical sense though, I really can't figure out any specific event going on in the song. Thought it is fully possible that she's lying to herself in an attempt to deal with her trauma better. And you're right the quitar is amazing in this one :]
@Greg-it4fu
@Greg-it4fu 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for putting this all together. Hayden's music makes me speechless. We all have our own problems, trauma, pain, and stress. But listening to her music helps fill the emptiness of feeling alone. It's been a little over a year of me listening to her and I still get the chills, tears, and amazement with nearly all of her songs. I'm also super glad you mentioned Strangers being your favorite. That was the one that changed me. Thanks again
@henriquenavesdasilva244
@henriquenavesdasilva244 6 месяцев назад
omg, i loved the video. i always liked Ethel's music, but i just recently got into the lore (and realized she was a character). One can tell you're a true fan and that you enjoy her songs just as much as me. Glad you made thia video, thank you 🖤
@lol.itz.lillian
@lol.itz.lillian 3 месяца назад
oh to experience listening to ethel cain for the first time again
@hunteralderman3050
@hunteralderman3050 11 месяцев назад
I personally have always taken Sunday Morning as a bit of a 50's housewife situation but with an unhappy home life. Somewhat like Dollhouse by Melanie Martinez. The wife (Ethel) trying to do whatever possible to please the husband, but it does nothing. He only sees her as somewhat of a machine to toy around with. (I'm sorry, I have no idea if that makes any sense.)
@znekkk
@znekkk 11 месяцев назад
i love this interpretation!! can i mention it in my next video??
@hunteralderman3050
@hunteralderman3050 11 месяцев назад
@@znekkkim a little late, but sure!
@sunbIeachedflies
@sunbIeachedflies 9 месяцев назад
i had to rewatch this because it was so good and thought out. thanks sm for making this because there’s not a ton of videos on Ethel despite the fact that she makes masterpieces
@znekkk
@znekkk 9 месяцев назад
@liacamp9
@liacamp9 9 месяцев назад
wow, i didn't interpret the ending of strangers as Ethel meeting her dad. to me it was always beautiful and powerful that ethel would go to heaven despite the things she did since a large part of it wasn't her fault, she was just led by the circumstances. she was a girl (trans or not) who was a victim of her abusive father and her mother's neglect, which later led her to never truly know what love was, falling under the trap of abusive men, mixing lust and violence for love (and if she really was kidnapped by isaiah, the whole thing was probably stockholm syndrome, my god). the fact that she goes to heaven means that she is excused of everything, because society, religion, generational trauma, and patriarchy are what truly killed her in the end. or maybe i'm just coping because i need to see some silver lining in this fucking miserable story and all the horrible real stories that exist out there lmao to me, the final lines of strangers are all said to her mother, which is the only person ethel now see's that she could trust. she is telling her mother that she traveled far, both in life and made it to heaven/after life and that she loves her, despite her mother's love being about violence, mistrust and apparently distant enough to end up in neglect. edit: ptolemaea is also such an interesting song! sometimes i interpret the final lines as death speaking, like you said, but sometimes i listen to it and it kinda sounds like it could be Fate, which is this character-not-a-character that exists throughout this album (and the whole cain women trilogy, probably). it's so grim to think that Fate will take her and all the women in her family tree. they will all go through it, no matter how they try to escape it: they will be abused and either live the prison her mother lived, or die trying to escape. cain women can't escape Fate. either way, it's such a cathartic song about abuse that so many people can unfortunately relate to. i just love how hayden's songs are so open to interpretation, she's a genius!
@Yolokilluhh
@Yolokilluhh 3 месяца назад
33:56 IS SO FUNNY. “WHY IS ETHEL IN HIS FREEZER?!…”
@Yolokilluhh
@Yolokilluhh 3 месяца назад
I don’t know if you mentioned this but I think Isaiah eats her.. idk it could just be me😕.
@soullessmorgue7252
@soullessmorgue7252 Месяц назад
I’m a newer Ethel Cain fan. I heard about her previously here and there. But my first little toe-dip I guess you could call it was dying star with ashnikko. I’m a huge ashnikko fan, they are my favorite artist of all time hands down. I have ashnikko merch, an ashnikko tattoo, the whole thing. When I heard Ethel Carin’s verse, I was immediately drawn in by her voice and how soft it was. I shuffled her music on Spotify and I liked her but it was something I wasn’t super super into. Fast forward to a couple days ago I wanted something new to listen to. I decided to give Ethel Cain another go and inbred shook me to my core, her vocals at the end actually made me cry. If any of you have seen Ethel’s video on the ring theory with music and how certain songs can make you feel closer to god, that’s how I felt. It’s not often I get this feeling from someone’s music…. Ashnikko makes me feel this way, stardew by purity ring, and utopia by bjork make me feel this way. The lyrics are dark yet so poetic and I felt like Ethel literally grabbed me by my throat. She is an incredible artist and now I’m absolutely obsessed with her. I’ve added her to my playlists. I’m absolutely in love.
@lindsey3904
@lindsey3904 Год назад
i’ve been listening to ethel cain for like a month now and it never even occurred to me thst all the songs were related this is sick as hell keep it up
@loladgomez
@loladgomez 11 месяцев назад
this video was exactly what i needed! i love the PD album, but all the little details escaped me on my first listen. hearing your breakdown really helped solidify the story in my mind.
@milangelos.
@milangelos. 4 месяца назад
not the therapy ad i got while watching this 💀💀
@znekkk
@znekkk 4 месяца назад
probably useful
@sunshine-gs4hc
@sunshine-gs4hc 4 месяца назад
I like just got into ethel and I didn't even know she has a storyline!! Tysm for the video explaining it!!
@evermiao
@evermiao 5 месяцев назад
you are a life saver fr! i seriously had no idea about this thing called “ethel cain lore”. i started listening to her music and i clearly GOT NOTHING IN MY MIND! but still, im impressed with her musics and i found out it’s a storytelling which is 10000 times better 😭 she truly gave me the biggest impact through her albums, thank you so much to you too for making this video! god loves you~
@Sarah_rarah92
@Sarah_rarah92 3 месяца назад
Ive never come across an artist like ethel and I've not been able to stop thinking about the lore since i very first heard ethel and her song strangers. When i first heard strangers, i came here and watched this entire video so i understood the lore before going and listening to all of her albums. It made it so much easier for me to connect with an artist and ive never connected this much with an artist ever! After listening to all the albums ive come back to watch this again to understand more and catch things i might have missed the first time. So thank you for making this because you helped me connect to her albums in a way i dont think I could have without this. I also am not sure if ethel and her father are in hell, ethel made mistakes as well that could have sent her to hell so who knows?.. i dont think shes in heaven
@znekkk
@znekkk 3 месяца назад
i feel like a possible analysis is that she's in neither heaven nor hell actually- saying that heaven and hell don't exist because everyone goes the same place anyways
@bestl4n4st4n
@bestl4n4st4n 6 месяцев назад
I think forgot to tell that isaiah FREAKING ATE HER
@jaxsonsmith0505
@jaxsonsmith0505 Год назад
Wanted to make a video like this for a long time, never got around to it. Very happy someone did and it’s probably more comprehensible then I could hahaha. Love it
@camdenstars
@camdenstars Год назад
most video essay to ever video essay
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
thank you muchly 🙏🙏
@chazlabreck
@chazlabreck 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for breaking this down and the fact its a long story of Ethel is brilliant on this artists part...
@micahlee7191
@micahlee7191 4 месяца назад
i just realized head in the wall is the same instrumental as head in the ceiling fan by title fight and i love ethel now more than ever
@emmelinesprig489
@emmelinesprig489 11 месяцев назад
I’ve seen Ethel Cain songs around on recommendations, but I can’t recall listening to her music. This video was fascinating and now I need to listen to the whole discography.
@znekkk
@znekkk 11 месяцев назад
my mission has been accomplished 🫡
@olivemercier2181
@olivemercier2181 2 месяца назад
Preachers Daughter changed my life when i listened to it for the first time and its had even more of an impact the more i learn about the lore
@Thebigfinal
@Thebigfinal 5 дней назад
I want to add onto your idea of Inbred, the song. I don't think it's illustrating her mother is dead, but rather suffering from severe rot from idling in bed without leaving it. From experience, I had someone who rotted while being alive for many months. She got like this after her husband died, as well. I have a feeling that mother in this scenario suffers from some kind of depression probably from abuse, and she made herself rot to be less appealing in a sick way. Then, instead of taking it out on her, daddy targets Ethel instead. Given her father dies, and mother is evidently still alive, she recovers, and thus Ethel's affectionate referencing at the end of Preacher's daughter.
@znekkk
@znekkk 5 дней назад
@@Thebigfinal this is very interesting! thank you!
@WhitneyDahlin
@WhitneyDahlin 4 месяца назад
‼️Ptolemaea is my FAVORITE song! It's how I discovered her music and I still think it is the best song she's ever put out. It's so unique and haunting and how the sounds of flies buzzing actually plays into the beats and tones and lyrics. Its a reference to Beelzebub one of the seven demon princes who's other name is Lord of the flies. He's the demon of gluttony and envy. She's just so creative this song is so unique. There's so much symbolism in it. Her voice is haunting and perfect and the atonal instrumentals behind it just creates sucha fantastic listening experience. Atonal instrumentals are commonly used in horror movies especially demon possession movies as the backing soundtrack. I can literally go on and on about this song all day. Imo its her best work and it will always be my favorite.
@jjjtpln
@jjjtpln 7 месяцев назад
I've never heard of Ethel Cain until this video popped up in my feed. Listened to the Nebraska song a couple times. Brought tears both times.
@DeepDiveDocs
@DeepDiveDocs 2 месяца назад
“Head in the Wall” samples a guitar melody from a Title Fight song called “Head in the Ceiling Fan”, this is the first time I’ve realized this and now I gotta spend an hour tying them together in my brain hahaha
@theparadoxofourage
@theparadoxofourage 3 месяца назад
I never listen to ads but tried to avoid skipping any on this because you absolutely deserve to be paid for the effort that went into this video! Thanks for this haha.
@znekkk
@znekkk 3 месяца назад
haha i don't have this monotized because it was copyright claimed for the music, but thanks for the support anyway :)
@coconatte9205
@coconatte9205 10 месяцев назад
I love this video, whenever I feel bad I search for anything Ethel related, it really helped me ❤
@stephaniehanley1016
@stephaniehanley1016 8 месяцев назад
I came here before I listen to her music. My sister told me to check out her music and now I’m very invested. I’m currently in a medical treatment center recovering alcohol use & mental health. I definitely need some new music to get through the next few weeks.
@written12
@written12 10 месяцев назад
Excellent overview, she’s a new artist to me and I’m glad I stumbled upon your video. One little thing- don’t bother with trigger warnings. I know you mean well but people need to know that art sometimes tackles difficult things. Anyway, thanks. I like your voice quality on the video. It goes well with the mood of the music.
@maitreyatang-lee7413
@maitreyatang-lee7413 Месяц назад
Saying “FREAKING ATE HER” over and over is so real
@erisgro3945
@erisgro3945 6 месяцев назад
i feel like there's more to unpunishable than you think!! her unearned confidence is from the fact that no matter how much he abuses her, the more he tries to make her feel terrible, nothing will ever truly hurt her because she's SO fucked up and nothing phases her. she's unpunishable because she's been punished SO MUCH and that makes her powerful. also two-headed mother to me is about having complete control over a lover whom you love and resent at the same time, like how mothers view their children: spitting images of everything negative about themselves. this son/lover figure really thinks he's all that ("you think that you create the waves/but i create you") but in fact, without her, he would have nothing that he has and would be no one. she dismisses and dehumanizes him, treating him almost as if he's someone she HAS to experience and that it doesn't matter what happens, she's just using him and then he'll leave. she's unpredictable and sexually traumatized, and wields her power and control over him constantly in order to manipulate him. she's concious of how much this must hurt ("baby, fire you wade through" is an allegory to hell, comparing the dichotomy of her love and hate for him to being as tortorous as hell itself), but she doesn't seem to feel any regret or need to change. it's not really a commentary on the situation, i see it more as a love/threat letter to this man that tells him that she has so much power over him and that she won't save him or love him in a way that is sweet or life-giving, only hurting him and using him.
@kelliesmith5295
@kelliesmith5295 21 день назад
this was fantastic thank you for making it. also you have a lovely voice! so easy to listen to.
@znekkk
@znekkk 21 день назад
@@kelliesmith5295 thank youuu
@madisynminsky6987
@madisynminsky6987 8 месяцев назад
it’s crazy to me that mother cain sampled head in the ceiling fan by title fight for head in the wall
@panchikofan123
@panchikofan123 8 месяцев назад
SHE SAMPLED TITLE FIGHT?!
@MarissaL972
@MarissaL972 Месяц назад
I never understood what people meant when they said that an album changed them, but after listening to preachers daughter I finally do
@kashmere1286
@kashmere1286 5 месяцев назад
The “He FREKING ate her” made me less sad and smile so much
@thomasevergreen5282
@thomasevergreen5282 24 дня назад
Now I understand the Ethel Cake joke
@chilledforensics
@chilledforensics 7 месяцев назад
I fell asleep to Preachers Daughter on repeat last night after listening to it for the first time and when I say it altered something in my brain
@derpleyew
@derpleyew 11 месяцев назад
Loved this! Was so funny when you said “buckle in because it’s a wild ride” I could hear the glee in your voice haha, it’s such a fascinating piece of work to talk about after doing so much background research. A true Daughter of Cain! Preacher’s Daughter hit me so hard when I first listened to it properly, I was thinking how heartbreaking the lyrics to Strangers were and then the audio suddenly all clears, the instruments stop, then her isolated vocals become so crisp, and she sings that line to her mother. Holy shit. I was so taken aback by the fact it just…ended. I grabbed my phone and saw the album was over was standing in silence thinking holy shit that’s the end? It was just so incredibly impactful as an ending to just finish. No outro, just an ending with what felt like no way of processing the heartbreak in the last lyric of the album. It’s expertly crafted in a way that really struck me because its messaging is so clear, a life cut short and longing for her mother but all she can do is wait until her death. Ethel Cain is without a doubt one of those rare gems that is genuinely exciting to exist on the planet at the same time they do. Knowing the scope of the things that are coming next is just wild to think like holy shit this entire experience will be something special. I cannot wait for the books tbh.
@louisagallanders4664
@louisagallanders4664 Месяц назад
there’s a poem called two headed calf which might explain two headed mother, it speaks of acceptance
@GiveUsThisDaisyBread
@GiveUsThisDaisyBread Год назад
THANK YOU - this is the kind of in depth video i've been looking for. None of the others were satisfying me enough!! lol
@znekkk
@znekkk Год назад
i couldn't find one either, so i made it myself (:
@friskybriskyy3997
@friskybriskyy3997 11 месяцев назад
I love this! Thank you for making it.
@gabrielar4966
@gabrielar4966 7 месяцев назад
This is such a great video I love how you made sure it's as atmospheric as everything about ethel.
@transqueerchaos
@transqueerchaos 10 месяцев назад
Ohmygod I love this. I'm a newer daughter of cain and thank you so much
@weekndconcert
@weekndconcert 11 месяцев назад
i’m so in love with her and her music
@illiardbilliard2355
@illiardbilliard2355 Месяц назад
Lilies kinda sounds like Ethel finally entered the first good relationship in her life (the lily flower itself symbolizing both purity and life after death), but because it's such a foreign concept to her, she's terrified that she's going to mess it all up. Granted, the only Ethel Cain song I've really listened to is Inbred, so my interpretation could be off. Also that Golden Age picture that your friend sent you reminds me way too much of the church I went to as a kid.
@Ulkavyn
@Ulkavyn 10 месяцев назад
Quite literally thank you so much, now my hyperfixation ass doesn’t have to go searching for lore everywhere. ❤ appreciate your work
@graciekinsey2735
@graciekinsey2735 7 месяцев назад
Fun fact: “Head in the Wall” from the Golden Age EP actually samples a song called “Head in the Ceiling Fan” by Title Fight!! I recently found this out and thought it was so cool to listen to the original and Ethel’s version side by side ☺️
@koikun
@koikun 7 месяцев назад
she's one of my top artists, and probably will be, til the day I die.. I loved your analysis video, and found it both entertaining and informative. 💙
@juliannanoelle1933
@juliannanoelle1933 21 день назад
just realized "head in the wall" is sampled from title fights "head in the ceiling"
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