The Complicated Beauty Trend 'Iphone Face' and Period Dramas 

i think one of the biggest failures of modern cinema is the misconception from producers that people want to see famous actors, all of my favorite movies star people i had never heard of because i’m actually able to engross myself in the story… how am i supposed to pay attention to the plot when then poor yorkshire kid is nate jacobs from euphoria

I really appreciate how shows from the UK and Ireland actually have actors that look like normal people. I like how the characters on Derry Girls just look like normal people. They don't have perfect faces and thanks to that I was actually able to relate to them more.

I think Dakota Johnson has a unique face and doesn't have iphone face at all. She looks out of place in that movie because she has her hair down and with a side part.

To me it's the hollow cheeks and full lips and manicured eyebrows that give off "model/modern" faces. I also think that mascara and false lashes (any kind of smoking effect) highlight this. The 2009 P&P had plenty of actresses that have modern faces, but the production was also praised for their use of makeup (or their apparent lack thereof)

I find it ironic that studios feel like they "have" to cast big name actors, because that's something that I find an annoyance rather than an attraction for a movie. You hit on it when you pointed out how it makes it feel like there is a small pool of performers that get a lot of the roles. For me, especially with period pieces, it's more difficult to imagine the person on the screen as the actual character in the story if I have already seen them playing lead roles in a dozen other settings, in addition to countless web pages and magazine covers.

For me I think the thing about straight white teeth in period dramas is less about "healthy" versus "unhealthy" teeth and more about the unnatural bleached and straightened Hollywood style teeth compared to just... regular teeth. Teeth can be a little crooked and a little yellow/off-white without being decayed - in fact, that's totally normal, and the Hollywood teeth are just as much of an unrealistic beauty standard as the rest of it. It's just as distracting as the 'iPhone face' feeling in my opinion.

EMMA!!!! THE 2020 EMMA ADAPTATION! THATS A RECENT SWEEPING JANE AUSTEN ADAPTATION! And it was really, really good!!!

Teeth is actually my main issue with "historical" appearance (after costume & hair, maybe..) but the American whitener smile that looks like veneers is just something I find hard to ignore. It leads to somewhat of an uncanny effect.. I remember and rewatch english literature adaptations by the BBC with British actors that looked "normal", that was in the 90s. Healthy teeth don't have to be white and perfectly aligned.

Iphone face is real phenomenon beyond plastic surgery and cosmetics. If Scarlett Johannsen can be convincingly dowdied into a 17th century Flemish peasant in The Girl with the Peal Earring, then most of the period film iPhone face is failure of the hair, make-up and costume team. It probably never helps if the actors look too much like their famous selves: like, no one complained about Florence Pugh having an iPhone face in her breakthrough role in Lady MacBeth, but her in pretty much the same look in Little Women after she had graced every magazine cover got that criticism. Barely anything changed but people being familiar with that face. That being said: I've seen iPhone faces in 350 year old paintings. Which is a trip, let me tell you that. And it wasn't hair, make-up, costume, teeth, health or them being instagram pretty that triggered that. It wasn't even beauty - it was just people's faces looking like they did. A directness, a slyness... Very hard to describe but immediately apparent to all who saw it. So I think there is something we do associate with modernity that goes beyond all of this. But it's so rare in paintings that the rarity makes me think that most non-yasssifed actors would be able to ditch their iPhone face if the productions allowed it. But considering that they didn't even try here to cast English, let alone go for Yorkshire or hire someone barely POC-ish for Heathcliff but went for a 34 year old Australian for Cathy - whose only period film has her in clown or SFX make-up - does not give me confidence that they will be this production.

i think another thing that is bothering people here is that heathcliff is explicitly described to be not traditionally anglo (although his specific heritage is debated amongst people). his being of colour is a core part of why he is sidelined and excluded and mistreated throughout the play, and i would assert is the foundation for his suffering. in an era where many period shows (bridgerton especially), is trying to do 'colourblind casting', casting someone like Jacob Elordi for a canonically non-white character seems quite hypocritical.

As a woman who has been fond of period dramas since I was little, I think it’s an issue when actors are cast who obviously represent contemporary beauty standards. The reason for me is that it implies that “this is beauty, this has always been beauty” which is simply not true and further cements the rigidity with which we judge others and ourselves. “A main female character must have certain features, or else she is not worthy of being a main character” is a message many women subconsciously absorb into their self-perception. On a more practical note, it also quickly dates a film. However, the majority of audience members and critics want to see whatever the mainstream beauty is on screen. Beauty contestants of the ages before modern makeup and hair care are often seen as homely; actresses who have had weak chins, aquiline noses, small lips, soft stomachs and sloped shoulders - feminine traits favored for much of Western European history - are considered unbelievable as leads. The only historical type of look people accept is having big, innocent doe-eyes and a small mouth. Everything else needs to be contemporary.

I just googled it, and Margot Robbie is about to play a teenager as a 34 year old, making her one year older than Stockard Channing was when she played a high schooler in Grease. Considering how goofy it is when actors in their mid-twenties play teenagers on CW shows, the weird miscasting here seems all the more likely to doom this project to a "Dear Evan Hansen" level disaster

Margot is undoubtedly a stunning woman, but she didn’t look 19 even when she actually was 19.

Eyebrow grooming is part of this, too, I think. Particularly because there are trends around it. Microblading really takes you out of the moment.

Love that you included Heathcliff was likely PoC. I feel like when we are included in modern adaptations of classics or period pieces often they have to bring in a fantasy element and things get increasingly and authentic on purpose. This was a good opportunity to cast him as PoC.

I'm only starting the video but Emma is definitely an amazing recent adaptation/period piece. They managed to perfectly blend historically accurate aesthetics with popular actors and a modern look to the film that made it genuinely relatable, and not just looking like serious stage actors reenacting a book you read in school (which, as much as I love theater, usually discourages people from costume films)

Mia Wasikowska as Jane Eyre , Kiera Knightley as Elizabeth Swan, Kate Winslet in Titanic, Gweneth Paltrow in Shakespeare in Love, Anna Taylor Joy in The Witch all relatively unknown at the time and embodied their roles so perfectly

It's important to talk about how racist the casting for Heathcliff was. Heathcliff is compared to dark skin romani people, Indian people (India) and Chinese people. It's not just about him having a tan or something. The guy cast is a White man. Very anglo looking. Honestly I'm shocked that after the poorly written The Talented Mr. Ripley rip-off anyone would think that that director would do a good job at tackling something that involves discrimination based on social classes and race. I liked Promising Young Woman but sheesh. Her upper-middle class background shows in Saltburn.

Imo British actors in general don't have iPhone face, should've kept it an English affair

So fascinating to think that sounding like you're from the South in the UK denotes 'fancy', when it's mostly the opposite in the US.

History student here. I believe you are right about wealth, sugar and no teeth. I read once (I think it was the Victorian period, may be the EMP) were it was desirable to have no teeth or teeth decay because it meant you were rich enough to buy sugar, kind of like in poor parts of India being fat is not always a bad thing as it means you have enough money to buy as much food as you want. Also seeing modern teeth in period media does through me. I loved the scene where John and Abigail complain about their teeth problems. I was so happy you mentioned the show!

You can have stunning actors in period drama roles: Keira Knightley, Rebecca Ferguson, Elle Fanning, Timothee Chalamet or Chris Pine are all beautiful people but they don't necessarily have iPhone face. Some people fit the roles, some just not - Margot Robbie is one of them, she is Barbie, she isn't Cathy. I mean, what's next Kylie Jenner as Anna Karenina?

When I was watching Persuasion I kept being distracted by Dakota Johnson’s lipstick. It was really pretty color but that’s not what i should have been focusing on 😅

What a fascinating topic and I think that you do a good job navigating a discussion about appearance with a respectful and nuanced take. I have only briefly heard of the term "iPhone face" but your video reminded me of a article I read a while back that seems appropriate for this topic. This article discussed how in this age of Globalization, beauty standards have come to include the most desirable traits from around the world, creating a beauty ideal that is detached from place, genetics or reality. Because of this, the actors we currently consider to be the most beautiful tend to have features that don't naturally exist together, which is all the more noticeable when they appear in a story set in a historical time period before someone could have access to both teeth whiteners, a BBL, and the latest Korean face serum. Based on this video, iPhone face seems to represent the uncanny valley of contemporary of beauty standards.

Casting a modern beauty ideal is definitely the problem. I think we should let some other people who don’t fit exactly into the modern beauty ideal to have their moment in the spotlight alá Nicola Coughlin as Penelope Featherington. Not that they shouldn’t have any place - they have plenty of room in other genres. It also looks really bad after a few years (look at any period drama from the 70’s, the costumes look amazing for the most part (especially considering there was no google and not everyone could afford to have a historical costume consultant) but, the people (particularly women) completely break all suspension of disbelief, usually with a twiggy body type and no eyebrows. I’m not saying they’re not fit for any period drama, for instance, the type I just mentioned looked amazing in 1920’s period films, when a similar body type (thin, petite and boyish) along with the appearance of thin high eyebrows was in vogue, thanks to Chanel. Anyway, I’m more of a purist in the sense that I think historical accuracy always looks better, (Bridgerton isn’t aiming for accuracy, hopefully everyone knows that). I’m not about asking anyone to change their permanent appearance for a role. Just cast someone who fits it and who doesn’t mind changing small things like hair, makeup etc.. You’re not going to see them cast anyone who has full sleeve tattoos in a period drama, either. You have to choose what you do to your body in line with your career. Filling your face with filler and getting your teeth capped is great for Instagram and commercials and modern drama but, not so much for period films. It’s not about discrimination. It’s just a fact.

Interestingly, the 1939 Wuthering Heights cast Merle Oberon as Cathy, and she was was mixed, British/Indian, though that wasn’t widely known at the time.

As someone who LOVED Fassbender's portrayal of Rochester (I know the 2011 adaptation is not the most accurate to the book, but it is my favourite for multiple reasons), I am glad that his role as Heathcliff did not work out XD . Considering that in the earlier days, many of the actors who acted in period dramas came to be known and associated for their roles in said dramas (like Jennifer and Colin for P and P 1995, Matthew for P and P 2005, and Richard Armitage for North and South as examples), I wish current adaptations would also try to cast lesser known actors and give them a chance to shine, versus going for big budget names. Though I'm not a fan of WH the book, I commend Emily Brontë for writing a novel with a non-white character as a lead role, and the least that Emerald could have done was cast someone non-white in Heathcliff's role. There are so many talented, non-white British actors who could have easily been selected.

Just got to the part about skin color; in addition to African, I think it is very possible that the character is part Indian. In Francis Hodgson Burnette's "The Secret Garden," published in 1911, a person from Yorkshire refers to the people of India as "Blacks."

I saw Iphone Face and Period Dramas and my mind instantly conjured up the image of Mrs Bennet with a smartphone and social media....*shivers*

We have to keep in mind that white, straight teeth are not a feature of modern capitalism in the West - they’re a feature of (many types of) privilege. As someone who’s seen much of the rural (and poor inner city) US, I can attest we still have plenty of yellow/brown, absent and uneven teeth. The irony of course is that no one wants to cast THESE non-Instagram faces (unless it’s as background actors for a movie about the Great Depression). I think what makes Instagram face what it is lies in the almost -AI uniformity and symmetry of their features. Even if they did come by their noses, cheekbones and lips naturally, it’s just SO improbable that an ordinary person is going to have won that genetic lottery (much less ALL the ‘ordinary’ main characters). Far from the Madding Crowd, imho, did a good job casting main characters who were striking, but not suspiciously model-perfect.

When all the actors' faces are honed to the same modern standardized iPhone face with skincare + procedures, it can become difficult to tell "the two blondes" (or whichever two young characters have the same hair color and build) apart. At least older characters usually have a few distinguishing wrinkles or face shapes to help us out! Sometimes, we just shrug at our house and accept that we're never going to keep them straight or wish that character actors had been cast rather than model-type actors.

Margot Robbie was in a period piece, Tarzan, that for some reason a lot of people haven't seen. It's actually a pretty decent movie. I don't think she had "iphone face" in that because her hair and makeup felt very 19th century. The reason Dakota Johnson has "iphone face" in Netflix's Persuasion is because her hair and makeup was way too modernized. Plenty of other things in that adaptation were too modernized, which is why it just didn't work. So I wouldn't discount Margot Robbie as being a good Cathy based solely on looks, but it is a weird thing now that Hollywood is more likely to hire a big star for a role that may not be a good fit. In years past, casting directors would want unknown actors in their roles for the simple fact that it's an unknown face, so it's more of a blank canvas, so to speak, for the character. It's really hard to get around the fact that when people see Margot Robbie they see Barbie.

Kathy goes from age 7 to 19 , Heathcliff ages to I think around 35 . Margot is pretty and probably has had work done . I just can’t see either of them in Wuthering Heights. I hate saying because they are too attractive. Maybe with different lighting? Or no makeup ? Or with different hairstyles . More natural hair ? I dunno it’s a tough one. I would love to see a Romani actor portray Heathcliff. Also Cathy isn’t a feminist. She’s pretty toxic yes. They both are. So I’m not sure how this will go

Also, they should've cast Avan Jogia. Hes beautiful but distinct and also actually brown

Nothing makes me feel more old than the concept that Farah Fawcett would no longer be considered hot by 'modern' standards. She is a timeless beauty!

No big budget period drama movies in the past ten years? De Wilde’s Emma adaptation would like a word! But in all seriousness, very interesting observations on a topic I’ve never heard discussed before! I’ve been enjoying watching your chancel after stumbling upon it recently. Thanks for continuing to put out such thoughtful content :)

that is why is funny to see some period asian movies with actors who look dead gorgeous, there is not way someone look that good back them.

I’m going to assign this to Hollywood. I tend to favor British shows & films because actors tend to look less modified.

I absolutely love historical yapping, please do continue

The 1968’s Romeo & Juliet film will and always have the most gorgeous period film couple.

The new Count of Monte-Cristo adaptation is an example of good casting in my opinion. All actors look as if they belong in the era where the story is set. I especially liked the actress playing Mercedes, she looked natural and charming. The clothing is a different discussion though.

Personally I always pictured Cathy as beautiful but not in a conventional way? Basically that her beauty comes more from her charisma and expressions. I'm thinking someone like Gaia Girace, when she played Lila in L'amica geniale? But yeah, the director clearly just went for what's popular right now without thinking if the actors even suit the roles or seting, which just tells me everything about what kind of adaptation she wants to make. I bet that it's going to have beautiful cinematography like all her films, but that's about it.

Appreciate what you and your husband said on the subject of Northern accents!! (As a Scouser).

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<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1808">30:08</a> I too am haunted by this adaptation. I’m glad more regional accents are being given screen time in UK dramas. The North South divide in England is something that some historians have speculated may have been influenced by William The Conqueror’s “The Harrying of the North.” As far as idealized beauty standards in period dramas and their influence on how people see themselves, I hadn’t reflected on that. I think an upside of not being from a demographic (i.e. not being of primarily European descent) means I can’t conform to those on-screen beauty standards, so it doesn’t affect how I feel about my own personal appearance. In a strange way, that could make my personal viewing experience more enjoyable.

The picture of Poldark 😂😂

I think people need to stop and think: would Cathy and Heathcliff really be acting and feeling this way in their late 20's-mid-30's? Would Heathcliff really be that obsessed with what happened decades later to the point of madness had the events of Part 1 taken place in his late 20's/30's? I don't think so. It's the kind of intensity and hurt people feel when they are teenagers. I think they are way too old to be playing teenagers (for part 1 at least, but I don't really expect them to adapt part 2 of the novel), especially Margot Robbie. She also looks older than Jacob Elordi in my opinion (because she is) and none of them match the description of the characters even if they were age appropriate. So basically it's everything, this casting makes zero sense to me. None of them look like the characters, they are not age appropriate and they don't look the same age either. And I do agree it's a completely missed opportunity not to cast someone who's mixed raced or ambiguously POC for Heathcliff.

I will say, I don’t think they’re being cast because of their physical appearance. Jacob and the director already worked together on Saltburn so she knows how to work with him and knows he’s reliable for the job. Margot and her were also in Barbie together (the director played Midge) and Margot’s production company is producing this. This has nothing to do with Hollywood thinking they need to cast “big names”. It’s 3 friends got together and said “you know what would be cool and fun to do?” Or “you know what role I’d LOVE to play/what book I’d LOVE to adapt into a film?”. They just happen to be bankable stars. But if Margot is producing it, she can play whoever she wants cuz she’s the one putting up the money. Think about it, if you needed someone for a job and already know someone who will do it flawlessly, why waste time and money trying find someone else? The 3 of them have worked very hard to be where they are so if they have the resources to make whatever they want, I say let em’!

We were ROBBED of Sarah Snook's Persuasion!!! I hope they do that book justice one day!

I am so sick of famous people gaslighting us into thinking that all of their looks are just some creams and fantastic genetics. Fine, you all want to look the same (there is this meme of four actresses looking exactly the same and I have no clue who is who on that meme), but can you at least be open about the fact that you do cosmetic surgeries, ozempic, etc.? I live in a place where every second woman has multiple plastic surgeries and cosmetic procedures and I so miss seeing real faces around me..

Your section about teeth reminds me of the courtier character in Tous les matins du monde (1991) who has terrible teeth, a detail I loved for the historical accuracy, but also kind of hated because I felt like I was being asked to judge from my modern perspective and think "bad teeth"="disgusting"="this character is morally bad". A certain period drama that I had been wishing for for many years recently came out with IMO horrible casting with the totally wrong look, and it bums me out because it's going to damage the evergreenness of the work. But I feel like big-budget media just doesn't get made to last forever; it's meant as a consumable product to make as much money ASAP with no concern whether it gets forgotten afterwards. When we do get a big-budget something that does have that staying power and timelessness, it feels like an accident of fate. I feel like this has always been the case in my lifetime, but it may be further exacerbated nowadays by the need to court virality, the really fast turnover of trends, etc. Maybe those grainy BBC adaptations are just always going to be more successful in that regard, because different priorities, different audiences, different budgets? And that's why we can remember a lot more successful historical TV over movies in recent years?

I'm pretty sure 2020 Emma with Anya Taylor-Joy was made for theaters but was released on streaming because os the covid of it all

To me, iphone face is when someone looks so perfectly beautiful that it starts toeing uncanny valley

Studios demanding big names in projects is a tale as old as time. And the iphone face is an odd phenomenon and entirety subjective. Was Vivien Leigh too 'modern' looking when she played Scarlet O'Hara? I don't think she looks out of place, but would people at the time agree? Does she fit in for me because the film is so old? At the same time I don't think Keira Knightly looked the part of Elizabeth Bennett, but many people clearly disagree (and I do like her in period costumes of Pirates of the Caribbean). Maybe it depends of the period and if your looks molds well to the desired fashions/looks? Dakota Johnson looked like a lost time traveller in Persuasion. But was it just her face, or did the modern haircut and questionable wardrobe choices exacerbated the issue? I am not very interested in Wuthering Heights, so my disappointment is more on principle, and I genuinely cannot imagine either of them looking at home in a period piece. But who knows. Maybe hair, make-up, and wordobe teams will do the impossible.

I'm not usually into historical/period drama, so I can't comment on the content too much. However, what you say makes a lot of sense regarding 'Iphone Face' in modern reproductions. I worked for over 30 years in a cinema, and gained a small understanding of the casting procedure and how Hollywood might affect the casting of movies, especially the blockbusters. When directors want their movie to be a huge success, they need money, and that means they need people to lay out the dollars. The money people, the producers, especially in Hollywood, and probably elsewhere in Europe too, for instance, would be very reluctant to payroll directors who they think might not be casting Hollywood-typical actors. They want their money back in the first weekend of a movie release, and if it isn't a huge hit between Friday to Sunday, it's considered a flop. (Crazy, I know!) Producers want the most well-known, beautiful and successful actors in their movies in order to make it more likely to be a success because they're laying out huge sums of cash, so It's really all down to the cinema industry of the last four decades and who is in charge of the money, really. This 'historical yapping' was extremely interesting, thank you. :) Also, I never knew Heathcliffe was a black/mixed race person, so I learned some brand new information, and that makes the story make much more sense, too.

You raise a great point but I feel you need to watch more movies outside of the Hollywood. Often in European or Latin American films and series, there’s a noticeable appreciation for unique and natural features-whether it’s wrinkles, crooked teeth, or distinct facial structures-which often adds to the authenticity of the characters and stories. I always feel like the actors, even if they are attractive, look like a person you could meet on the street, and that this allows for a deeper connection because their story is reflected more realistically on screen. It’s also funny that when you mention Hollywood teeth in period productions you put a picture of Aneurin Barnard (next to Dev Patel), who has acted in so many period pieces and has "normal" / "period apropiate" looking teeth. He is a good example of an oil painting face, where he looks really good in period pieces, just like Holliday Grainger and Romula Garay.

First time watcher. I love your channel already. I hope you and your loved ones are safe in Asheville ❤

Emma Mackey played an excellent enigmatic and other-worldly Emily Bronte in the film "Emily" and would make an amazing Cathy. But I guess the roles would be too close. I highly recommend watching the movie! It takes some creative liberties but it is a brilliant watch for the acting, charisma and chemistry between the actors.

The British lady at the beginning of ‘RRR’…. I know it’s a fantastical period but holy moly, it took me right out of it. She had iPhone 50 face 😅

veneers are a huge reason why period dramas can feel off with modern faces. makeup, or lack thereof, can do a lot to transform a face, but the teeth will ruin it. having even and relatively white and clean teeth won't ruin a drama, but having extremely perfected smiles looks weird in real life AND on screen.

I think the greatest mistake of a lot of period dramas/fantasy series is that they don't commit to looking different. They try to juggle modern hair and makeup with the historical/fantasy setting which only ends up as a disjointed mess. No, I don't want smoky eye makeup in my period dramas, and I don't want to think about hair spray ads when I'm supposedly watching elves (khm khm Rings of Power). I don't believe that people can have just an "Iphone face" unless they have had obvious procedures. But the unwillingness to put actors and actresses in hair and makeup that would fit the period ruins any immersion I might have, even if the costuming is flawless. At best it'll be a bit jarring, at worst, I'll feel like I'm attending a themed party where noone put in much effort.

Thank you for this interesting discussion! I wonder what Emeral Fennel is preparing for this adaptation! And I can't believe I'm still scarred by this Persuasion adptation by Netflix but ...yes I am!

As a European: when watching Tv shows starring people having perfect white teeth, it really stands out for me. Very few people in my country get their teeth done :) it is very American thing to see on TV

Quick side note to correct (teacher instincts!): Nicole Kidman played Virginia Woolf in "The Hours," not Sylvia Plath. I adore Wuthering Heights and I'm hoping this movie isn't terrible. I do think Emerald Fennell has done some fascinatingly complex work with beautiful people in the past (A Promising Young Woman). And I'm hoping that Margot Robbie is looking at playing Cathy as a chance to show that she can play the opposite of the Barbie character, which would be really cool if done well. For me, a big part of whether or not actors seem to fit in the time and place of the historical drama comes down to hair and makeup choices. I could never watch the Keira Knightley P&P, for example, because her hair being so much more 2005 than 1805 made me crazy. If the wardrobe, hair, makeup, and locations are correct for the Brontes' 1840s moors, then I think they can pull it off (with a good dialect coach!). Fingers crossed, because I've never been happy with any of the adaptations of this novel, unlike Jane Eyre, which I think has been done well several times. Great video though and I love your channel!

Penny Dreadful was the last production that takes place in the Victorian Era that was perfectly casted for both talent and the aesthetics of the actors. The people who were cast for that show are all gorgeous, but in unique and arresting ways. Eva Greene, Josh Harnett, Timothy Dalton, and Billie Piper are all gorgeous people, but they do not fit today's aesthetic. That show was one of the most beautiful series I have ever seen. I was SO disappointed when it ended abruptly. I think Harlots is another series that I thought was appropriately cast. The women were intentionally chosen to represent different body types, different ages, and different levels of attractiveness to further the storyline. Of course, that show did not show women with pox or syphilis, or rotten teeth, either, but the cast did not have plastic surgery face. I suppose the examples I have chosen come from an era right before this became a problem. Of all the problems with Persuasion I don't think iphone face was the worst of it. The entire show was an abortion Edited to add, I think that Reign was the show that really launched the problem is modern aesthetics being thrust into period dramas.

Loved this! Enjoyed watching along with the premiere 😊

Emma and Little Women are recent ones I've been impressed...they are recent right??

I 100% understand people's worry about the casting of this movie, but so far, acting-wise, I also 100% feel like Margot Robbie would be great as a Cathy. Yes, she's a bit old to play the part, but damn, she's only given great performances after great performances of very "passionate" characters (Babylon and I Tonya immediately coming to my mind, Barbie being the only recent odd ball), plus she's done great as a producer so far, so I truly want to see her depiction of Cathy. But yeah, I also don't know much about British accents, plus I've only read the book translated in French so IG for people in the same case as me, we wouldn't even perceive the subtlety of the language being spoken on screen. TBH I'm more worried about the male conterparts for this movie. I wasn't impressed by Elordi in Saltburn, I've never seen him in any other movie so I'm not sure he'll be better in this one. I just really really hope he won't be the one playing Heathcliff *fingers crossed*

it’s 2024 and we’re still casting white actors to play heathcliff????

Historical yapping let's gooo

loved the 'old' All Creatures Great and Small 😍😍😻😻

i dont watch period dramas or anything but this is one of the many things that killed Star Trek Picard and Discovery in TNG, VOY and DS9 almost every actor looks like a normal person, and there were tons of overweight actors playing old human admirals, old Klingon WARRIORS and Romulans, so everyone feels real now in PIC and DIS all actors MUST be incredibly hot and it takes me out of the story

I didn't know there was a name, but I've been saying for years that I can't watch movies and shows any more because the pretty faces are interchangeable. That said, Dakota Johnson has a distinct face and her teeth are not perfect, polished and straight. I like her.

I think Margot can pull it off if she isn’t wearing much makeup. She’ll probably have dark windswept hair in some bun, and no makeup. The guy looks completely natural, just a handsome normal frenchman.

I really really loved the topics you choose and your commentaries! I was just hoping for something and please feel free to ignore it if it does not resonate with you. I think while watching this, I love the points you bring forth, but I think it would be easier to understand if you would put it in sub topics? Because it just feels like a whiplash going back and forth. Again I LOVE your channel and this is just a suggestion! Thank you for your hard work ✨

I'd like to add this video from Karolia Zebrowska to the discussion. In it, she matches followers' faces to the time period she thinks suits them. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KTiQb8xpymU.html&pp=ygUca2Fyb2xpbmEgd2hhdCBlcmEgeW91IGZpdCBpbg%3D%3D What it highlights for me is that certain features do seem to fit in certain eras.

Obviously, there are millions of actors in the world, and many of them have faces, which look very "old-fashioned" and would be perfect for costume dramas. Why directors don't cast them, - I guess, because they don't expect less famous actors to attract viewers and make people go to the movies.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="828">13:48</a> maybe it’s just me but the teeth thing does bother me lol not only that but also when characters always look so clean and fresh and I’m like ??? Aren’t you supposed to take baths maybe once a month?

Believing in characters being who they portray themselves to be is hugely to do with how the weight is held within the body, tiny delicate responses and seeing the soul sitting behind the eyes. The leads in WH are full of hardness, dirt and youthful anguish. Im afraid the director, casting director and prod co.may have a different set of interests for this project as seem to have cast a 34 year old Hollywood movie star in the role of Cathy and a milky white skinned teenage wet dream in the role of Heathcliff, indicating a homogenised vanilla white washing. Depressing and unfortunately for us as the audience completely uninspiring. Your feelings are correct!

I have always been a huge fan of fantasy series which tends to dance on that period drama line. While I am soo glad to see Olivia Cooke in shows like HOTD (she is seriously so talented), it is definitely distracting that she is supposed to be a GRANDMA and looks no older than 35 TOPS lol.

It's 2024, and they're still not casting a Romani actor as Healthcliff. 😅

In the end it will depend on the director and producers angle when it comes to style. Are they going to veer more historical (in which case some "uglification" might be necessary, in spite of Catherine and Heathcliff being rather hot in their original context) or are they going to chose glamour? Citing Florence Pugh as an example of IG face in Little Women surprised me because she absolutely sold it in The Young Lady.

New subscriber here!! Love you, and thank you for saying what truly has needed saying for ages! Let me know if you ever want to do a collab around Jane Austen's favourite songs for the centenary!

People really need to learn about kitchener essence and way certain actors are casted in certain roles. I think Jacob can work well in period dramas, but Margot looks far too old and modern. Also its funny and also an unpopular opinion of mine but this is how i feel with Anya in EMMA, she doesn’t exactly have an iphone face but she has an outer worldly face that’s too unique and alien for period drama, but i guess her acting was so good people glossed over that, but she always looked out of place in period dramas even way before all the cosmetic surgeries she got now

Kylie jenner’s natural face is an example of not an iphone face and would fit in a period drama.

you forgot Emma! I looooved it!

Agree. On everything you said.

I'm sorry, WHAT??? Some women were having ALL THEIR TEETH EXTRACTED?!? As a pre requisite to marriage? Excuse me?!

My problem with the iPhone face discourse is the fact that it's rooted in Eurocentric Beauty Standards and various ethnic features are often stigmatized as not belonging in period dramas thus whitewashing history.

By the way, - you look very pretty with this lovely hairstyle!

I thought the term was Instagram face

Every single French historical movie having an English accent is irritating af.

I’m on the first 13 seconds of this video and have no fucking clue what’s his an iPhone face Legitimately clicked because was like “ what’s that” Guess we’ll find out

portrait of a lady on fire!

Great video! I think within 5-10 years anyone will be able to use AI to easily (& convincingly) make actors look like anyone they want, and add the appropriate amount of cloud to Yorkshire too 🤣

Hey are you alright? Just heard you were from Asheville. I hope none of your family was hurt.

surprised you didn't reference mary queen of scots, where margot doesn't suffer from iphone face thanks to good hair/makeup, but her accent was a bit distracting.

Emma with Anya Taylor-Joy was less than a decade ago.

New subscriber here! I'm an American (from Philadelphia), living in West Yorkshire...recently visited Haworth and the Parsonage Museum. Loved this discussion, love historical and period films!

It's called Turkey teeth.