The Conference - Official Trailer 

Subtitles? Nope, never been a problem for me at least, and I can read subtitles in 6 languages.

My 40-year-old Straßedeutsch was simply not up to it, but I did try to see the German version and you make a fair point. Even in a room of fanatic anti-Semites, the conference attendees just couldn't or wouldn't use the words 'murder' or 'exterminate'. I think that 2001's 'Conspiracy' did a good job conveying that bit of parsing the language even in English.

As good as that movie was there's something sanitizing watching a movie with British and American actors creating the characters. Presenting the evil of Reinhard Heydrich in the language he spoke provides an intense reality.

@@davidlasdon457 You make a valid point, and one that I agree with. But on the other hand subtitles don't convey the sheer workaday banality of the Conference for English speakers. I really think that the attempt to plan something this monstrous as if it was a normal high level business meeting is the vital point that needs to be gotten across to all audiences. This was not a 'plot' or 'conspiracy', it was a program. The Holocaust was a matter of national policy and every single ministry of German government was complicit in it.

Other than being very cheap to make (some Nazi uniforms & a sound studio) no real point to this movie, it's been done in English & German. It's sort of like a remake of Das Boot.

So?

The 2001 HBO-BBC collaboration was a remake of the German's 1984 adaptation. I guess in 2040s it will be the Anglo's turn.

Their German wasn't very good though, in fact it sounded just like English. These guys seem a lot better.

What was it called

Conspiracy

how sad that Israel is now carrying out a new genocide after all the jewish people have been through. you would think they knew better

Humanity lost the war before it even started. The moment the regime was able to reduce a person's worth or standing below that of other people allowed the regime to proceed down this course. With each step, starting with the Enabling Act, then the Civil Service Law, and then on to the Nuremburg Laws, humanity was further reduced and the barbarism of the regime became justified in its eyes.

Humanity isn't terrifying. It's idiotic.

I like seeing them killing themselves 😑 I’ve been through that since 96 😑

but they speak english in the movie

​@@tmaverichGermans spoke English in 2001.

It is a ver good movie👍

you like "movies"? aah yeah, Hollyweird like to do "movies" but real life and real hsitory is quite diferent, dude ....

Yup! Love “Conspiracy”.

He didn't stammer at all that day!

Where can I find this movie please

Yup. Kenneth Branagh and Stanley Tucci were awesome in that one. This Conference movie is just a cheap knockoff in comparison.

Well said, Sir. Conspiracy is my favorite movie of all time. It is a textbook study in group think, and a film like 'Twelve Angry Men' that could be acted in a high school auditorium.

No shit, I use it OFTEN as an example of how we should run things at work.

Have you been here, history wise? The North American Indian Holocaust - Kahentinetha Horn *The "final solution" of the North American Indian problem was the model for the subsequent Jewish holocaust and South African apartheid.* *The term "Final Solution" was not coined by the Nazis. It was Indian Affairs Superintendent, Duncan Campbell Scott, Canada's Adolph Eichmann, who in April 1910 plotted out the planned murder to take care of the "Indian problem",* Hitler was surprised the Americans were upset with what they were doing to the Jews. Keep in mind they killed gypsies, pagans and atheists for their non belief in Jesus. Hitler admired the US on how they treated the "lesser" races of Black - Brown and the Jews. Why is the biggest holocaust in all humanity being hidden from history? Is it because it lasted so long that it has become a habit? It's been well documented that the killing of Indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere since the beginning of colonization has been estimated at 120 million. Yet nobody wants to speak about it. Today historians, anthropologists and archaeologists are revealing that information on this holocaust is being deliberately eliminated from the knowledge base and consciousness of North Americans and the world. A completely false picture is being painted of our people as suffering from social ills of our own making. It could be argued that the loss of 120 million from 1500 to 1800 isn't the same as the loss of 6 million people during World War II. Can 6 million in 1945 be compared to 1 million in 1500? School children are still being taught that large areas of North America are uninhabited as if this land belongs to no one and never did. The role of our ancestors as caretakers is constantly and habitually overlooked by colonial society.

Been there, done that with Die Wannseekonferenz in 1984.

but this movie does the same thing basically. it isnt overdramatized.

Really very good. The lives of millions of people decided in a couple of hours. And humanizes some of the nazis who had second thoughts, but not enough to stop anything.

They were too afraid or just too indoctrinated to stop what is to come.

@@joelwillems4081 I'm confused. Which ones in it seemed to have had second thoughts?

​@@greenhillburmayou are right that 2nd thoughts is too strong, but it did a good job in setting the distinction between the prime movers like Heydrich and those who clearly knew it was wrong but went along anyway (the guy Colin Firth played, for example). They are no less culpable for that, but it dsmonstrates the mixture of evil and weakness that lead to a genocide.

@@danz1182 I can't disagree with your point of view here. I just want to point out that what Stuggart was suggesting was also genocide in auch more attenuated fashion. Essentially, that all agreed on 'getting rid of the Jewish contamination'.

Meanwhile the head of the Gestapo is sitting at the table, right??

The movie you speak of is a HBO Movie, the name is "Conspiracy".

Absolutely. Much better than all other versions!

Problem with that it was dramatized because the viewers expected this conference the absolute horrible so everyone has to behave over dramatic. Reality as shown here was much more horrible. It was a routine conference. Some piece of government politics needed to be enacted and this conference was just there to smooth the differences between the ministries. What is horrible is that this conference, aside the topic was nothing special, those type of conferences happened and are happening all the times , everywhere. The most natural reflex of a civil servant when having to enact a policy where there is overlap with another department, set up an interdepartmental committee

He might have been the most toweringly evil man of anyone at that conference. Branagh’s character was happy to follow heinous, inhuman, genocidal orders; Firth’s character was convinced he could make them mere points of law.

Firth has one of my favorite lines in that film. When Klopfer says, with quiet menace, "I'll remember you," Firth's Stuckart counters, just as quietly, with, "You should. I'm very well-known." My female students are often thrilled to see that Colin Firth is in "Conspiracy".

He also criminalized a marriage between a man and woman with red hair. As if that would stop Gingers.😅

Yes.

The BBC edition was better - Conspiracy

Agreed: the actor who played Heydrich in the 1984 version was phenomenal: portraying him as a man of total authority and confidence who talked about utter evil in a complete matter-of-fact manner. Terrifying but true to life.

@@leonblittle226 It's not German. What could have been best about that? I don't shoot a series like The Crown about the British Royal Family IN Germany with only German actors and then say that it's the best film adaptation of the Royal Family on television.

Conspiracy was a masterpiece. This one gonna have a hard time surpassing that.

But this one's in German! LOL

Kenneth Branagh acting was flawlesss

natsies bad has to be drummed every year

nice to hear it german.

BRIEF BLOG: The 2001 version of this HBO film & the 1984 version of the same horrifying topic has been available on DVD for sometime now. I also know this most recent film is also available online for purchase(Price is: $14.00 US dollars). Great films in their own right Re: this WW-2 conference(lasted less than 4 hours so they claim!), which truly can be called the Banality of Evil as similar to Hannah Arendt's book w/the same title but focusing on the Eichmann trial in 1961 in Jerusalem.

The best movie about this horrible conference is "Die Wannsee-Konferenz" from 1984. Neither this version nor "Conspiracy" can keep up with the movie from 1984.

Something tells it won’t be anywhere NEAR the last.

Yes, I have different actors and better picture quality. Dialogue almost 1:1 the same. And I would almost say both were shot on location.

Sure, according to the victorious allies who had every incentive to doctor and propagandize details regarding their sworn enemies while covering their own asses for war crimes.

@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. then perhaps Germany should have fought a little harder? Or maybe Hitler should have stop meddling in military affairs?

@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. With all due respect, namely none, take your Nazi-apologist ass and get lost.

​@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. Spot on !

The conference was well-documented. In it Heydrich specified precisely how many people were to be killed and with what method, down to the nearest tenth.

I prefer the 1984 version in terms of acting and atmosphere (more like it might have been in reality), but the 2022 version seems to be more historically correct, e.g. the portrayal of Wilhelm Stuckart.

yes this was the best version, but it´s hard to get in some countries, you could get Conspiracy(2001) much more easily, but honestly my nephew said he won´t watch such old movie(one from 2001), but he want to watch this one from 2022, which is same plot, but still "new is better" according to this generation and if it´s necessary make a new one for this generation, it´s still better than let it be forgotten

Imagination

Exactly. We have no assurance any of this is remotely true.

From the meeting minutes, which still exist.

@@kurtdorr8080 Yeah, let's see them. There are no actual documents that lay out the supposed plan for the "solution" and I doubt this film is going to be based solely on any actual meeting minutes taken at this conference, because it doesn't say what the Chosenites contend it says.

@@kurtdorr8080 well, that isn't true

I already watched it. It's excellent

still nothing in the states

Coz they realized another movie had already been made by HBO decades ago.

@@joliecide Has more something to do with the fact that non US/UK production have simply a hard time on the US market. They would rather do a US "remake"

What does it sound like then Russian talk about theirs?

@@Lastoutrider I don't watch Russian films - I don't like them, I don't like them…

@@nadinfilin7826 You think the Conference is a german film? It's whitewashed crap.

As a German, thank you very much for your compliment. We strive to make sure that the horrors caused by the Nazi regime will never be forgotten and never be repeated.

@@timbo7064 The horror of the Nazi regime are themselves a repeat.

Well the other adaptation is the one made for German TV in 1984. It is very good, captivatingly chilling. The dialog is mostly verbatim, the filmmakers say, from the minutes of the meeting. It is also available in full, with English subtitles, on RU-vid. Title is “Die Wanseekonferenz” .

Which one

The dialogue of both movies is based very closely on the original protocols taken during the conference. However there is some stuff filled in, in both movies and of course the acting and delivery is not the exact same. I enjoyed both movies

i find the new movie less confusing in regards of who is who and represents what part of the third reich.

It was co-written by the same author. But this version is much more refined, many bugs and inaccuracies of the old script have been ironed out.

I know, this really has to compare to be worth the time. That said it's always good to spread awareness I suppose.

The English version is absolute rubbish. Some of the characters are overdrawn to the point of ridiculousness. The research on the characters was obviously bad. And it's not in German. The first German version from 1984 suffers somewhat from poor recording quality. In general, it has to be said that not only cinematographic possibilities have developed enormously, but also scientific research on the conference has been able to add new aspects.

Correct. I get it. But the only reference to these movies are some minutes found from Martin Luther. However, there is nothing else to determine "how" things were discussed. The 1984 version had all the characters as smugly joking around during most of the conference while they talked about killing everyone. The HBO one had more glum seriousness and less of the joking and left off the female secretary also at the table. That's why I thought the 1984 version was best because these guys were discussing the destruction of 11 million Jews as if they were planning an office party. And it just made it more evil to me at the relaxed nature of how they all discussed it. This new 2022 version (Die Wannseekonferenz) in German that is being released with English subtitles and renamed 'The Conference", looks more like the HBO version but as I noted, the characters actions are written to display different demeanor and personalities in each. So bluntly don't mind the remakes because neither is like the other. The scripts are based on those captured minutes. But the writers each take different liberties as to how they interpreted what might have been said and how the characters "might" act. Each portrayed different in each movie. So again, don't mind seeing the remakes.

If it ain’t broke, fix it until it is.

Can't beat the one made by the Jerry's themselves in 1984

2001 HBO/BBC production was spot on, regarding the event. Although they say some liberties in making the film was also taken

@@khuret1773 I agree.

The script is purely imaginary sine they burned the transcripts so there is no way of knowing what actually took place

There was definitely a female secretary (possibly more than one), as we now know. She is also correctly named in the new movie as Ingeburg Werlemann. The idea that the secretary was male stems from a mishearing at Eichmann's trial in Israel.

There is also a good one from 1984

Available on Netflix

"conspiracy" is a caricature of the actual events with the typical 'good-guys-vs-bad-guys'-BS. it's aimed at a 'less informed audience', that cannot tell apart a gauleiter from a sturmbannführer and doesn't care too much about historical accuracy. the two worst parts are that it a) completely misses heydrich's point of being in control, _but at the same time_ making the others responsible for the decisions as well. and b) it depicts eichmann as a tyrannical superior, instead of the 'banal clerk' he was.

You can't be serious, this 2001 rendition is so bad compared to the two German productions. Just one example: Dr. Gerhard Klopfer is portrayed in the English production as a fat pig who is constantly looking for food. The real Klopfer was a Nazi pig, but very slim and highly trained. Conspiracy can never be as good as this new German production, it was shot in English.

I disagree. Branagh (to my opinion) played the Heydrich character all wrong. IRL he was more felicitous, especially with SS comrades. Oh, it was insincere, but it was there. Branagh made him into a caricature. Again, and this is my opinion only, the portrayal of Heydrich in Conspiracy belied much of the true evil, or as Hannah Arendt characterized it, "The Banality of Evil" that was so well personified in the actual Heydrich even more so than in Arendt's subject, Eichmann. As an interesting aside, Heydrich's father (Bruno) was a popular and well known, if not in some circles renowned, Opera singer and composer. In his Opera "AMEN", there is a song called "Reinhards Verbrechen" (Reinhard's Crime)! Talk about foreshadowing of things to come.

'Conspiracy' was made for Anglo/American consumption. It's in English, it has well known award winning celebrities starring in it (who are not German), and although its source material are transcripts from the event, it is still from the Anglo-American perspective. These things provide a 'comfort level' that may have influenced your opinion? While not a documentary, the subject matter is based on historical events. It is not a remake of 'The Little Mermaid'. At the end of the day, does it give any insight into the German perception of that part of their history? Does it tell the same story as the other film? Other than it's artistic presentation, how did it make you feel about the participants? Which one had the greater emotional impact?

@@chong2389 Although German is my mother tongue, I prefer to watch English-language films and series in English only. Since I don't know all the idioms in English, I run subtitles. The experience of watching a film in the original language is simply much better. It is the same in this case, a film about the Wannsee Conference is only really authentic in German. It would be ridiculous if German TV made a film about Churchill in German. The Conference was produced for German TV to mark the 80th anniversary of the conference. Since this topic is also of international interest, this film was also distributed internationally. I have seen all three editions, I definitely like the current German one best.

I tell you this film was 1000 times better than the crap english thing from 2001!

To be fair, most actors ever cast for Heydrich in film (except one, Detlef Bothe, who I believe you referred to, he played Heydrich in 3 films) haven't at all resembled him in any way. Heydrich had a very distinct, almost weirdly Asiatic look that's hard to match with available actors. Very tall, long-limbed too, large hands, etc. Very distinct appearance indeed. Brunette hair aside, I always thought Adam Driver would've been a closer match and fitting candidate for the English-spoken film "The Man With The Iron Heart".

@@DjinnGuru Yes you are probably right! There aren't that many actors who resemble Reinhard Heydrich, who could in fact play him. Yes,it was Detlef Bothe who i thought about. Interesting that you mention 'Asian ' , i remember when i was younger ,i saw a picture of Heinrich Himmler , almost like a portrait of him,and next to him was a similar picture of Hitler. You have probably seen that picture i think of. I think it is from 1936, he is dressed up in his black SS uniform ,in brown shirt and his SS coat displaying his Reichsführer collarpatch. I didn't know back then who Himmler was, but i did know that nazi Germany was allied to Japan, and Himmler did appear to look very Asian, japanesee infact. I thougt it was a japaneese leader. Talking about resemblance, i do remember an antoher SS officer, that resembled Reinhard Heydrich. I don't know his name, but if you have seen the footage of the 1936 Berlin olympic, when Hitler is walking at the olympic field , and you see a little girl give Hitler a bunch of flowers, you see an SS officer in SS black runs to the front, to be to some kind of asistence. Don't know who he is , probably some kind of ' aide de camp' to Hitler.

There seems to be some obsession with finding actors that look like Heydrich as if physical resemblance is the key to an actor's portrayal/performance, although I'd agree that getting uniform details right should be standard practice. Productions, scripts and actors all make choices that some will disagree with. In this case, it's also somewhat of an issue whether the approach is that of a documentary or a drama.

The uniforms were probably not manufactured by Hugo Boss either! Oh the horrors! 🤣

Hot damn, must have been ahead of it's time!

Kevin, Kenneth's evil twin brother?

What? Who cares what languages characters speak?

'Accurate'

Because we in Germany needed to do it again. And it is better then the english. If you're wondering why this is better, I'll ask you a counter question. Could you imagine British/American-acted historical films/series with 100% non-British and non-American cast?

Its the second German movie. We found it necessary. And since Holocaust denial is not only a sad everyday occurrence in Germany, it can't hurt to remake the film 10 times abroad if necessary!

@@mariusebeling6329 You know, with due respect, I just don't understand holocaust deniers.

Neither are accurate, it's fiction

@@Orxbane Not completely fictional. The film here is based at least on the factual minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

They are burning in hell

There is a great movie on the Katyn massacre by Andrzej Wajda. But otherwise, yeah, you’re right. Ridiculous to make three movies about exactly the same subject hardly distinguishable from each other.

It is a tribute to the German people that it is taught, warts and all, in their schools. If you search You Tube for 'Feli from Germany WW2', the young German who runs the channel recounts her first hand experience. There is a tendency to glorify the outlaw, regardless of how evil their deeds. Hollywood capitalizes on it and draws in yet more impressionable minds.

You believe in lies. That's the sad thing here.

@@themadazi history is written by the victors - no amount of fascist propaganda will ever change that. I CHOOSE to see the US military as liberators, whatever sins were committed in the name of democracy, and to date no-one has kicked in my door at 3am.