The Conservative party should be 'put out of its misery' and 'dissolved' | Marcus Fysh 

In no small part due to Johnson culling the middle-ground, smart, moderates such as Grieve, I can only presume because he felt threatened....

@@philbrown8181 Actually because they were blocking Brexit which people had voted for in a referendum, for better or worse.

It's been obvious since 2017 that the Tories were not really Tories

The Electorate that Tory Wets want to target are already voting Lib Dem, Labour and even Green. And none of them would take a Conservative offer seriously on that terrain. And these liberal Tories are incapable of turning to the Right, so they're a product with no relevant buyer. Like a Bowler hat with sleeves, it's not needed and it's not wanted. Reform can occupy the real Right, exactly like Europeans are doing and they could also absorb centre Right policies. So they have a product many people will want. Which means Marcus Fysh is correct. Soames inhabits a world where patriarchal public schoolboys assume they have a right to govern, that world is gone.

The Tory and Labour Uni Party

Fair point

He is entitled to change his mind, our current prime minister has made a career of it.

he wants the party to be where it has to be, but it wants to occupy space.

He could have changed his mind last month,become independent and run for elected office as an independent with his principles

great comment

"Pre-Eton"? The Tory leadership has always come from Eton and Winchester.

​@@anonUK Well, Blair went to Fettes (just like James Bond haha). And Keir Starmer went to a fee paying grammar school. To be honest, who cares. This mob are going to be only slightly more competent that the last once all the in fighting over jobs starts.

​@jamesrowden303 That's the British spirit. Snort. 😅

@@jamesrowden303you don’t seem to understand much about politics. And the in-fighting over jobs? Maybe in your world, sunshine.

Yes, I thought he was very confused in his answers. On the one hand he argued that the Tories should be more centrist and yet on the other hand he seemed to argue for all the things that Farage is asking for. Very strange. And the interviewer did nothing to bring any clarity to this.

2 years ago this rat thought he had a job in parliament for life. Must be a huge blow for a lot of them.

its the problem with the conservative right is its often half an answer. yes abolish the tory party. but reform in a new structure. he has one pre built

Not all reluctant conservatives have to go full fascist.

@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence the problem is they are not fascists. farage has no origin in socialist movements and his policys are libertarian.

I fully agree. Regardless of what the Tories might think, money isn’t the only concern in life,

The whole "low tax" routine rings a bit hollow considering the tax burden is at its highest for over 70 years thanks to the regime he is now disowning.What is really needed is re distribution of wealth and opportunity from Eton crooks to the rest of us.

Low taxes mean poor public services nhs in chaos crumbling schools and the list goes on and on

I think I can do better things with my own money than the government can do with it,

@@inquaanate2393 😆😆😆😆😆😆

You have summed up Penny Mordaunt perfectly

A party divided against itself can survive! But Lord Cameron goes back to the other place? The machinations continue ,where's Oliver Cromwell when you need him?

Brexit is not the problem

​@@christophercooper2208oh yes it is!

@kevinsheahan5449 now it may seem so but the EU are bonkers. They want to slaughter 200K cows in Ireland alone over the next 3 years in the name of climate change. Are you happy that decisions that affect you are made by unelected bureaucrats who are out to lunch ?

@@christophercooper2208 What planet are you living on?

@@rogerphelps9939 earth

The eu was not perfect however we swapped it to be led by a bunch of corrupt aggorant idiots.lf that's what getting sovereignty back you can shoove it where the sun don t shine.

Their weather is as bad as ours! However, they have the benefit of no caste system as holds in this country! I'm glad I won't see it but can you imagine all the Normans dragging their ancestry out for 2066! Long live the Battle of Sanforth Bridge!

I hate the Tories and their lies but don't look forward to the sharia law that's coming! Revolution anyone?

Sure why not. If the Tories were wound up, he'd be an independent MP.

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The flag of pragmatism flies at every mast! I reckon his constituents had the measure of mr.Fish!

Ooo aRrrr

Messed up the combine harverster and nobody else is getting the key.remember the song,I can't read and l can't write but I can vote for tories.was it really worselled it.

From his performance on TV his morning that is blindingly obvious.

Mr Gummage you are awful but I like you! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

There are more opportunities outside the EU than in it. The EU will not last must longer now anyway

@@voice.of.reasonthis is just a delusional as thinking the British empire still exists.

@@voice.of.reason Can you give me an example of an opportunity that you have now, outside the EU, that you didn't have access to when you were a member of the EU?

@@j.lahtinen7525 As a person who lives in the EU one of the benefits of not being in the EU is not being in the EU because at the moment you don't want to be in the EU. And this is because parties who are opposed or critical of the EU are not just getting more support in their own countries but also within the EU parliament and the EU are dealing with the issue of illegal migration which is causing differences between EU countries and could bring down the whole EU and at the moment here is no sign of any of this changing

there’s no need to fund tax cuts since the opposition never feels the need to fund government spending.

He makes out Reform are a problem party but what he is not admitting is that the Tory party has net zero policies, is controlled by the whisky echo brigade, ignores its manifestos, despises the working class and has no sensible policies and wont listen to any concerns over wide open borders, this is the real radical party. Rebranding the Tories isn't going to work, its like the BBC putting on a new logo and having the same people running it and offcommie controlling it, its not going to work unless there is a split and the genuine Tories stand up and move to Reform.

IMized feelings. 'd rather have Tories reform as centre right than far right Reform take over mantel of conservative mindset. In such a vacuum of any moderate right wing Reform could easily drift even further (if that is possible) and become an ultra right fascist party - and then even have a chance at power.

As fact of course 'The Tories' are history, but not as you mean. The Tory political party was entirely replaced by the then new Conservative party in the mid 1800's. Ergo, the Conservatives of the modern era *are NOT Tories!!* As for the Conservatives being history, that is not close to being a truth and it is definitely not a fact. Conservatism is an idea and ideas never die. The idea might be out of favour for some portion of time but it will resurge when circumstances invite it to ... Take the history of ISIS, which I suspect you also do not know about. The defeat which the UK Conservatives have suffered in the recent election is IMO is a turning point for both the UK and it's political future for the foreseeable future. Sir Starmer has a small window to pull some rabbits out of the hat. He has to make some sort of 'splash' in social care and the provision of health care, benefits and prisons. Plus just as importantly or more so in practical terms .... Starmer has to move the UK back toward rejoining the EU. Without which, the UK will only ever get progressively poorer and ever more horrendous to live in for the average person. However .... Does Starmer and Labour have enough money in the severely bankrupted for 80+ yrs, UK exchequer? Probably not. The debt levels are insane, the penchant of the Conservatives to simply print money to cover the yearly Fiscal Defecit has to be stopped and Starmer will understand that. If the UK rejoined the EU tomorrow and was allowed the €uro .... Then it would in my estimation take 30+ years of special measures under the edict of the Eurozone before the Uk could hope to see a Fiscal Defecit of Minus -3% year on year, so as to obtain €uro parity. Every day the Uk is out of the EU, it just becomes worse for the UK in all ways. Starmer no doubt has both the will and desire to make things far better in the UK for you, the people .... as does his government. However it is most likely they do not have the fiscal wherewithal to make much happen. The Conservatives meanwhile will become in fairly short order, *The Conservative Reform Party*, a Fascist based party, with all that means. P.S. ..... NI is it appears about to explode again and one can see Reunification coming about ... Because the vast cost of policing Nationalist and Republican _'freedom fighters'_ will then no longer be the problem of the UK but of the Oireachtas Éireann. NI is a vast drain on the UK exchequer and would be a welcome loss. PPS ... Myself I do not reside nor vote in the UK. I am a political scientist & economist with 'no dog in the fight'. Just an informed observer.

​@@bbbf09I'm no fan of the Tories but in this case better the devil you know than Reform. That said, I agree that the current crop of Tories are unbelievably amateur so there is no hope for them. They need to think seriously about the good of the country for a change instead of the what we saw of the last few years, constant navel gazing. Even when they tried to go "left" (although this is debatable) they bungled it massively as they didn't know how to go left. When they attempted to go right it came across as flaccid and pathetic. At least Rishi showed some humility at the end but this was sorely missing over the last 14 years.

Labour started in Government in 1924 Tories lost to history 2024! Lovely bubbly!

80 seat majority to ‘make a success of Brexit’, didn’t. Everything is measurably worse. Time they stopped peddling lies about ‘freedoms’, as yet, no Brexit benefits seen in the ‘sunlit uplands’. People often mention Brexit was about immigration but neglect the big lie on the side of the bus - they made it about improving the NHS which of course people want. And of course didn’t happen.

You what???!

These guys are the “socialism works, it’s just never been done right!” of the 2020s. When your entire life in politics was in pursuit of that, it’s somewhat understandable that you would talk that kind of dribble when it has so manifestly failed.

@@Runboyrun89failed? Socialism works excellently and was doing so. Your understanding of politics is dire

@@jackiefisher1820name one Brexit benefit. Go on, you’ve got a week to find one.

Agree - totally incoherent. On the one hand he argues that the Tories should be more centrist but on the other had seems enamoured by Farage and his thinking. I don't think he knows what he thinks and this sums up the incoherence of the Tories since 2016.

Yes, he needs 2 or 3 months to let it all sink in, and then make an assessment.

You're right...he talked in vague generalities.

People always fall for the simple nostrums peddled by populists like Farage and Brexiteers in general. Not enough critical thinking.

Was he a head teacher in real life! Sounds like the ones who run ill disciplined but expect the staff and everyone else to kowtow to their every word! That catch in the back of his throat is also very reminiscent of the chalk board!

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unfortunately not its the welfare state. half of all income to the government is spend on pentions, nhs and benefits. non of witch benefit long term gdp. they are liability's that i know cannot exist in there current form when i am old

@@somethingfunny6867 The NHS benefits the economy long term by saving injured worker's lves and helping ill workers to be more healthy and to be able to work, live and spend money. The NHS employs staff and they spend their wages and stimulate the economy. Healthcare is an investment in population and our people.

@@somethingfunny6867 actually it is austerity, if Cameron and Osborne hadn’t pursued this ideology the material conditions for us all wouldn’t have been impacted so drastically. This would have not given UKIP the opportunity to make claims that the decline in our living standards was due to the EU and start Cameron panicking about his job. Which wouldn’t have led to the referendum which did cost him his job and began the implosion of his party whereupon May tried to deliver something that she didn’t believe in allowing Johnson to hoodwink the nation into thinking that he could. The Conservatives may have recovered were it not for Covid and the corruption within the government that it exposed which led to Johnson’s downfall and the appointment of Truss who’s budget blew a massive hole in the pockets of everyone which gave us Rishi. Sunak was blighted by a lack of vision and conviction that ultimately led us to where we are now. The welfare state suffered directly from the Austerity programme and subsequent poor economic policy and growth, GDP is affected by it taking people forever to get diagnosed and treated hence the burden on the treasury. The NHS is affected by austerity and ridiculous procurement measures that allow private enterprise to price gouge. Pensions were relatively safe until Truss but the lack of government investment has stifled growth which impacts on everyone. GDP is a pointless metric for measuring the success of the nation anyway but that’s a chat for another day!

@@Kingofturves yes i agree if a mechanic brakes there wrist we can get it fixed for another 20 years of work. it also means no NHS for those beyond pension age. i am so so glad you agree we can half the size of the nhs. as for nhs staff wages it only matters if they increase productivity. for workers yes they do. for those who wont ever work again the investment will never get a return. ether way you are advocating for slashing the NHS.

Quey?

Bring it on.

A rat who got the sack.

Ferrets actually. They are far more vicious.

The Tories are a woke-leftist, wet, remainer party. That space is already taken. They are a pointless party. Half of them believe in nothing and the other half wish they were in the Labour party.

They're picking at the corpse that is now the Conservative party. There's nothing left.

"Brexit did not fail, the Conservative failed Brexit"

I was outside the EU for 35 yrs of my life! Keep us outside for another and we could all join up to a European federation ,hopefully guided by Russia rather than the USA!

He'll be getting a job at a bank of a local authority near you shortly!

....which are Black! lol.

I like travelling in Europe But I don't want to me ruled by them! In 1972 we were promised by Ted Heath that if we joined the Common Market we wouldn't need to buy the £10.00 Travel passport to visit Europe! So we did, no one wants to be allied to the amorphous idea of The EU run by unelected foreigners who we will probably have to fight against in the next 39 yrs! The Tories took us to the shut party they promised to bring us back!They left us and we had to send out for the Brexit Taxi...then they tried to hack up the can and steal the wheels! The Tories are dead Support REFORM! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

I can think of one that is obvious and means we are better off immediately, we aren't paying 20 billion a year for so called free trade, no doubt the EU would have increased our membership fees by now and made us pay for their cnvid fkkups. And we aren't paying welfare for millions more from the EU that would be coming here.

A pig with a blue rosette?

@casadellangelo Yes. he Yeovil electtorate were conned by populistt nonsense. It shows the appeal of populism to those lacking in crittical tthinking skills that this prize brexiteer was elected in a constituency where the major employer is Italian owned helicopter maker Leonardo, a thoroughly EU company.

Well as you say all brexiteers are fools,and everything you say must be true???? Come on haven't you got a new song to sing! We are clever we are judges,and teachers and will lie ,lie ,lie til our daddy takes the Brexit away! Support REFORM! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

@@jackiefisher1820 While the Reform voters were disadvantaged unfairly by FPTP I'm still unwilling to accept any view other than that they are a bunch of ghastly racists, fascists & nutters best consigned to the unmown parts of the Churchyard as so as practical.

Sunak shut your mouth , shedding Crocodile tears don’t help .

One of them most certainly.

I wouldn't want him on my team!and possibly not the other !

Sttatting the obvious.

Cheer up chicken maybe the asteroid will hit!

Only by becoming the 51st state of the USA. But that isn't a future that most people want.

@@baltasarnoreno5973 nor would Biden or Trump give it to us!

Someone has to steer the ship of state! You can't all be "nice"! But the Tories deserve their defeat most assuredly for the way they treated Andrew Bridgen! Stick with REFORM!

Yes we've all heard this gobbit of English but for 20 marks can you explain what it means?

Quisling!

Nice to be soon clever!

The people can vote for whom so ever they want, at the moment ,that is?

Reform isnt a party.

Like so many others, it seems!

Garrr! This is almost porographic! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

Words of wisdom!!!! NOT!

Sunak presumably could not find any suitable candidate amongst all mps for the job of foreign secretary so he dug up Cameron.says all you need to know about the lack of talent in the Conservative party if he was the best they had.

I would have thought anyone who lived through The Thatcher years would trash the tories! However she did tell the truth and explain how she was selling off the family silver, these rotters wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bite them!As it did on the 4th of July!

They've be going down in hundreds since the 1960's! Thatcher destroyed much of our industry in the 80's! Good education is completely denied to the working classes, once grammars were destroyed by the Labour party! Oh and when did we decide to come off the gold standard! And who decided to take the pound from 240 pennies to 100? There's more to skinning this rabbit than calling it Brexit! Bring back History and stuff humanities! Lots of love from Wolverhampton! (Once known as the workshop of the world!lol)

Not strictly true about Blair. It was John Smith's stewardship that steadied the Labour 'boat'. It was only after his untimely death that Blair 'swooped' in for his 'Standing on the shoulders of giants' moment. As for the Tories, it was the infighting that killed them off in the mid to late 90's, with Europe been the main bone of contension. How the wheel turns? The ERG finally got what they wanted and still couldn't govern the country or themselves.

There wasnt any austerity, spending went up every single year. The only thing that went down slightly was the rate of increase in spending.

You mean there wasn't a completely illegal court decision which voiced the will of the entire nation?

You have to be "nice" to vote libdem! There are so few "nice" people, usually they have "independent " means of teach! So sorry the rest of us have holds up our a...es!

I didn't comply with kick down or take the gene therapy! I didn't see the Labour or lib dems condemn the Tory action plan! Was there any free and frank discussions in the Corporate Media! Who screeched louder at the science denyiers! Grow up and read a few books! Start with Kennedy,'s "Fauchi" and maybe your eyes might be opened!

"If I can't stay elected, no one else should be."

Not promptly. Only after it had been held. There was no way that he could stay on pushing a policy that he did nott believe in.

It means nothing. A relic from the parliament of the 1700s. Not sure why they continue to use it prescriptively.

Reform is a right wing populist protest movement, not a sensible political party. Farage would happily join the Cons, but only small fish would go the other way. TBF, the Tories operated like a protest party as well when they were in government. But that just shows us what Reform would be like with power.

Agree - the interviewer may as well not have been there.

He will, I'd wager.

Churchill would have joined 'Change' Labour , and so would RA Butler.

@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence 😂🤝🤣Oportunism- Surviving recipe... AGREED... No trace of morality for the" Elite" !

That man thought that a week's worth of rations was for a day! Glad he wasn't on Blenheim Battlefield!We'd have been talking French a lot earlier than 2005!

@@jackiefisher1820 GOOD LUCK UK... THE FUTURE LOOKS SO BRIGHT!

And all the partying has caused a hangover.

It hasn't been for some time now. When Michael Howard became leader, he accepted the Blair agenda and then Cameron wanted to be "the heir to Blair" - that is why the Tories are in the mess.

It was only Brexit keeping them on life support and they werent even serious about that.

Lenin first came up with sending migrants to Rwanda.

Not a party either ,it would seem!

They can dress which ever say is the most pleasant! Just get back to good old Powell politics! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

He should do penance as a taxi driver and maybe write a book! I was a Tory has been! Lots of love from Wolverhampton!

Exactly. I think Sunak is actually further to the right than that, but not as far as Johnson was. I think we all know what this guy considers "centre right" and the rest of us call it fascism.

You cannot be serious!

@@jackiefisher1820 well, how has moving away from the EU going for the Tories?