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Leading experts present compelling arguments on both sides of the controversy about the divisive nature of the Michigan Relics, leaving the viewer to decide if the Michigan Relics are really history, or merely hoax.
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@realhistory9284
@realhistory9284 Год назад
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@marywegrzyn506
@marywegrzyn506 Год назад
Why would you make a Video even considering that the Relics are a Hoax? Some Scientists are wrong.
@gregmark1688
@gregmark1688 Год назад
If this is an example of what this channel considers "historical", I'd genuinely rather hit my foot with a ball-peen hammer. Repeatedly.
@SuperPorchswing
@SuperPorchswing Год назад
I left the following as a general comment but the "hosts" of this channel should read it. Everyone associated with this channel should be deeply embarrassed by this "real history." This is offensive. The only "real history" is that a couple of aspiring grifters manufactured "relics." To go into a discussion of "how did they get here," "it's hard to cross the ocean" leads the gullible into thinking "experts" are trying to hide "the truth."
@kimfleury
@kimfleury Год назад
The interview with David Allen Deal isn't the best of scholarly discussion. The Copts are still around -- they're the pre-Arab Conquest Egyptians. In the year that Deal says they had a distinct theology, 375, the Copts were still in communion with the Churches in Rome and Constantinople. They all had the same theology. Deal goes on to claim that Emperor Constantine had an agenda to have his own pet theology enshrined as Church doctrine. The problem with that claim is that the only evidence shows that Constantine ended the persecutions against Christians, but he wasn't the first Roman emperor to do so. There had been others who allowed the Christians to live in peace, and all of them were followed by an emperor who persecuted Christians. In 20/20 hindsight we can see that no emperor who followed Constantine persecuted Christians, but there's no way the Christians of the time could know the future. Many of the bishops who were alive when Constantine was emperor had scars from the tortures of persecution, and probably everybody knew someone, or many, who had died for the Faith. They had refused to compromise their beliefs even in the face of death. But Deal, and others, claim that Constantine imposed his theological will on the Christian Church. That's a head scratcher. The only way Deal can defend the claim is to assert that the bishops were so tired and weak that they all gave in and changed Christian doctrine in exchange for being able to live in peace, and he'll have to present evidence that this happened. It's possible to trace the origins of this claim about Constantine, though, and if I recall correctly it was first posited in the late 19th or early 20th century. That's not first hand or even second or third hand source. Whoever put this documentary together should have done that basic research before deciding to put Deal's claim into the evidence, or at least have acknowledged that his claims in this regard are controversial. The fact is that the claim about Constantine's influence on Christian doctrine is dismissed as crackpot by serious historians of every belief. Editing to add that the claim that YHW is "Jehova" is way out there. That's a long explanation, but the short one is that the Hebrew texts that were used in synagogues included the abbreviation for "Elohim" (Lord) above the proper Name of God, because God's Name was never to be spoken aloud. The rabbi who read the Scriptures aloud in synagogue was reminded to substitute the word "Elohim" for "Yahweh." A Catholic monk in the medieval period or later mistook the way both abbreviations were written, with "Elohim " (abbreviated) written *above* the"YWH," to be the single word "Jehova." The monks who used his written copy to make other copies perpetuated the mistake, while Bibles copied from other monasteries continued to write it as it had been done. The confusion wasn't cleared up until the 20th century. But the mistake wasn't present in any Scriptures of the time that these guys claim the Michigan artifacts were supposedly brought by Coptic explorers. So that's just another argument against the theory.
@charlenelundquist3512
@charlenelundquist3512 11 месяцев назад
The name of the church is.... THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.
@Michigander269
@Michigander269 Год назад
As a native Michigander with Ojibwa heritage, I have deep roots and deeper love for the great lakes region. There is so much legitimate and fascinating history here to absorb and explore. It honestly upsets me that self indulged, depraved, and delusional scoundrels would dare muddy the waters just for 15 minutes of fame. Especially done in such a blatantly obvious format. It's despicable.
@russoliver657
@russoliver657 Год назад
Very well said!
@Howl-Runner
@Howl-Runner Год назад
Curious how you gloss over all the company's in Michigan which destroy any artifacts found while excavating and building.
@verucasalty5
@verucasalty5 Год назад
​@@Howl-Runner those aren't the only ones destroying the earth in general, he didn't "gloss over" anything lol man I hope you find more happiness so your not trolling comments on you tube for self validation
@maxmaidiac2237
@maxmaidiac2237 Год назад
WHAT DO SAY ABOUT THE VERY TALL SKELETONS FOUND ALL OVER AMERICA? WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE ORAL HISTORIES OF MANY TRIBES THAT SAY THAT GIANT PEOPLE LIVED IN AMERICA THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO?
@Michigander269
@Michigander269 Год назад
🧐🤦‍♂️🤣🤣 I thought ignorange was supposed to be bliss? I sincerely hope you're not voting in elections or, God forbid, procreating.
@SaltySpark
@SaltySpark 3 месяца назад
I live down the road from the historical museum, used to be my favorite place to visit as a kid, the 50s and 60s era sections were always my favorite. Now my 12 year old loves going there every few months.
@kp6215
@kp6215 25 дней назад
Museums was the only places except the Art, buildings on my 33 days of the best days of my life am now 73 occurred June 30- August 3, 1969 to Europe all expenses paid including air fare ,food and lodging with two per room with bus transportation throughout cost $1,000. The world has become worse not better thus no children as the population in free fall because too expensive with hunter gathering better for health of the human body everyone should know this since 1920.
@wakeUPdummies
@wakeUPdummies 11 месяцев назад
"...hey, that's science. The door is always open." The most honest, most mature, wisest perspective offered
@RAM-tc7xq
@RAM-tc7xq 10 месяцев назад
Covering his lies, study his microreactions. He knows there are many that are real...
@paulbriggs3072
@paulbriggs3072 Год назад
All the discoveries in all the various locations and through the various years have one thing in common: James Scotford. The next big clue is that he was an artist. He painted signs and was a scenic artist. I myself have a fine arts degree and can tell you that it is a rare artist who does not have experience in a wider assortment of mediums than just one. Sculpture, metal working, pottery etc are very common skill sets that most artists have at least some experience with. This guy had the means, the motivation, and he and his sons were the sole source.
@billshiff2060
@billshiff2060 Год назад
He was not much of an artist.
@paulbriggs3072
@paulbriggs3072 Год назад
@@billshiff2060 Good enough to fool many.
@timokane-vu3ks
@timokane-vu3ks Год назад
Hehe
@michaelsterling6163
@michaelsterling6163 Год назад
Only problem is that Henriette Mertz translated the relics and found them to be real
@carlmally6292
@carlmally6292 Год назад
@@michaelsterling6163 There are people who believe the Loch Ness monster is real even after confessions from the fakers,.
@007ElSenor
@007ElSenor Год назад
I was fascinated with Dr. Richard Stamps methods and research on disproving the authenticity of the forged artifacts. Brilliant detective work.
@jessemills3845
@jessemills3845 Год назад
Any TRUE investigation combines three aspects. 1 you PROVE they are real. 2 you PROVE they are faked. 3 COMPARE the two and conclude what the results are.
@DaggsTheCurious
@DaggsTheCurious 8 месяцев назад
He went to a store and made a few guesses. Discrediting one fake to discredit the real ones. They add their fakes, u know, just to do this. Can't fake the accuracy of those ancient eclipse carvings tho, in the year 1904 😄 And theyre still in museums We display fakes in our museums 😄 Laughable.
@whitneygaines2832
@whitneygaines2832 3 месяца назад
They are real artifacts
@andrewvoros4037
@andrewvoros4037 8 месяцев назад
I think that anyone who has seen hundreds of stone tools and thousands of artifacts, even if only in museums, would see these as certainly not having been buried for 1700 years. The writing, the incised lines, the lack of weathering and wear are absolutely not like actual artifacts, which are very rarely ever found in such pristine condition. Fun show and very well made.
@anarchy_79
@anarchy_79 7 месяцев назад
Haha, right? I'm glad I'm not alone. Those are obvious forgeries at very first glance. They're not even good forgeries, they're so naive, as if made by a child- or some poor, uneducated farmer in the 1920's.
@davidkgreen
@davidkgreen 7 месяцев назад
@@anarchy_79 Successful farmers in the 1920s were far from poor or uneducated.Where do you get such ideas?Many self made millionaires came off the farm.Guaranteed those farmers had high G,which simply means practical working intelligence.People like Ford,Edison etc.
@RobertELee420
@RobertELee420 7 месяцев назад
@@anarchy_79 leave your mother out of it m8
@terrywilder9
@terrywilder9 7 месяцев назад
​@@davidkgreenYou can tell that's the type of nonsense that a Michael Bloomberg, Naom Chomski or a George Soros puts into a simple mind!
@joestewart5406
@joestewart5406 7 месяцев назад
All the carving and lines were perfect. No weathering except on the copper but that’s easy to do with salt water.
@neurothoughtmachine
@neurothoughtmachine Год назад
the first problem tihe most of those findings where Soper and Scotford brought these 'respected' townspeople to randomly find these relics is that the constant coincidence "how they just happen to be where we searched", whereas in archeology search sites can get turned over for weeks and nmonths by large groups of trained professional with little or no fidings at all. The high freqency of these substantial and coincidential findings suggests that these pieces were buried weeks in advance, so that rain water would solidify the ground and cover the digging of a recently buried object. the second problem is that many of these slate objects ought to be broken, cracked and so thoroughly worn by age that most of the inscriptions should not be legible.
@sage0925
@sage0925 8 месяцев назад
I had that same thought. Too many were just WAY too pristine.
@garnerjoyce606
@garnerjoyce606 7 дней назад
Co workers
@waynemyers2469
@waynemyers2469 Год назад
I think the brightest red-light is the completeness of so many of the "objects" and the apparent lack (as far as I've been able to deduce) of accompanying evidence of habitations or ruins or rubble or trash and debris, nothing but pretty trinkets.
@oldogre5999
@oldogre5999 15 дней назад
Do a little research, try to find out what happened to the Cities along the Mississippi river and in New Mexico, Arizona all up and down the Eastern US. There were large towns created by the various tribes of the Eastern Confederate in all 13 original states, do you think that the White man were going to leave evidence of their victims after they slaughtered them all? Do you think the few mounds remaining are the only things the "Mound Builders" created? No, most of the time the US Government sent the "civil engineers" (don't know what they were called) but sent these crews out ahead of the "settlers" to loot and raze anything remaining of the cultures in the territories that were wiped out by the poxs and other diseases or driven out by the military! Then anything left the settlers would flatten as they created pastures, fields and homestead and towns...
@waynemyers2469
@waynemyers2469 14 дней назад
@@oldogre5999 I'm pretty certain that the government (which was nowhere near as organized and well-equipped as modern governments) was not so systematic and motivated when it came to ruins and artifacts as you suggest. The relatively isolated conditions and the lawless nature of the frontier along with man's inherent greed and curiosity are more than enough to account for the lack of large-scale material evidence.
@oldogre5999
@oldogre5999 14 дней назад
@@waynemyers2469 You are welcome to think as you like. Makes little difference to me, after all ignorance is bliss right?
@waynemyers2469
@waynemyers2469 14 дней назад
@@oldogre5999 I wouldn't know, why don't YOU tell me because if you think the Michigan Relics were real you are the ignorant one.
@TstanDa-Man
@TstanDa-Man Год назад
If that many relics were left behind where are all the regular day items like pots pans weapon’s or did they just leave items with hieroglyphics on them 🤦🏻‍♂️
@travelinman70
@travelinman70 Год назад
give me a minute, I'll have a cooking pot to sell you....
@PRH123
@PRH123 6 месяцев назад
As if everyone was walking around back then with an inscribed tablet, like a mobile phone…. :)
@pollyanamunoz4640
@pollyanamunoz4640 3 месяца назад
Good point, or lije I said: what are niw lakes were a channel to the ocean and a water highway.
@chetisanhart3457
@chetisanhart3457 Год назад
I'm from that immediate area of Montcalm County. The locals always knew that the relics were fakes. Only outsiders thought they MIGHT be real. Our Grandparents joked about the relics.
@DaggsTheCurious
@DaggsTheCurious 8 месяцев назад
How were they faked? And for what purpose?
@denisesipsy1281
@denisesipsy1281 8 месяцев назад
Why would someone go around in that many areas, bury artifacts, the wait for the owners to fund them a 100 years ago?
@DaggsTheCurious
@DaggsTheCurious 8 месяцев назад
@@denisesipsy1281 agreed. And how would they line up an ancient lunar eclipse so accurately in their faked depictions of history? Especially in 1904! Like, c'mon now. They were laypeople, uneducated people. They didn't know jack about ancient civilizations and even less about ancient eclipse dates 🙄 How could a hoax be so accurate? I'ma go off of the usual scenario in these scenarios: its real, they want us to think its fake, so they added fakes to the mix to be discredit the real ones. Just like the Ica stones, the alien stuff, and everything else
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 8 месяцев назад
My Grandparents joked about Bigfoot not being real. That didnt age well either.
@Ted_Stryker
@Ted_Stryker 7 месяцев назад
Yep. It's not much more than a good laugh to us.
@AllyCat510
@AllyCat510 7 месяцев назад
What's interesting about this, is that it has NOW become history, whether or not it was what it originally claimed. It is over 100 yrs old.
@gushemingway
@gushemingway 7 месяцев назад
@AllyCat510, keep in mind that this video is probably 20 years old. So the video it’s self could be considered of history. The production quality is such that it doesn’t show its age much. Dr. Stamps is a friend of my dad, he’s currently 81 years old. In this video he’s probably in his early 60’s.
@travisgoesthere
@travisgoesthere 6 месяцев назад
fake history
@mharris1957
@mharris1957 4 месяца назад
Would you wear a fake watch? Buy fake money? Would you destroy fakes to remove them from potential circulation that would dilute the value of real money? That's what these items do. they dilute real history and as such should be removed from any study or presentation. They do not teach or promote any real history unless you are studying forgery.
@fredleewoodsfourthsleepapn1463
DOB 1960. My Dad and I collected many arrowheads in different areas of Central and Lower East Michigan. These are sacred to our family. Michigan is a place like no other on earth. Remember, it's ancient with Great Lakes that "raked" and carved millions of acres of land, rivers, lakes, streams and they made Michigan rich farmland and other resourceful soil that sustains humans and animals. Whales are now returning yo the Great Lakes as well. Lake Superior is the 2nd or 3rd deepest biggest freshwater lake in the world. I believe anything ancient could be found in these lands. The native American tribes thrived here. Michigan is very special. Visit, enjoy, love,bur take your garbage with you
@oldgysgt
@oldgysgt Год назад
It's true that "Native Americans" in the Great Lakes area used some copper arrowheads, but these were from "native" copper, (copper occurring naturally). There is no evidence they ever smelted copper, and these plates were made from smelted copper.
@paulbriggs3072
@paulbriggs3072 Год назад
So whales are returning to the Great Lakes? Which are freshwater? Are they swimming up the Mississippi and then locking through the locks on the Chicago ship canal? Or coming up the St Lawrence and then swimming up Niagara Falls to get to Lake Erie?
@sufyb6432
@sufyb6432 Год назад
@oldgysgt There are ancient mines in Michigan.
@oldgysgt
@oldgysgt Год назад
@@sufyb6432; yes, there is archeological evidence the natives were gathering and using native copper, (natural occurring copper in metal form), but there is no evidence that they were smelting copper from ore, (refining copper metal from copper bearing stone ore).
@DanWi
@DanWi Год назад
I want to assure you there are no whales in the Great Lakes. They are not returning as they have never been there.
@carlmally6292
@carlmally6292 Год назад
There was a similar controversy in Davenport Iowa in 1877. A local minister, Jacob Gass, uncovered two slate tablets bearing Hebrew inscriptions from a burial mound. The Putnam Museum of Davenport was dragged into the controversy as he was on the board there. Several years later a couple of local guys confessed to the joke they were playing on Gass because he was so full of hot air about the Mound Builders being the Lost Tribes of Israel. It got out of hand when national media picked it up. The tablets are still in the Putnam Museum. That kind of fakery happened quite a bit during that era. Apparently there were gullible people long before the internet and jokers and con artists to take advantage of them. P.T. Barnum inspired a lot of people.
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 Год назад
They are Authentic Artifacts. *"Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists" are just married to their ,"19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline".* aka the Darwinian Model Theory, there are an abundance of studies that suffice to prove their Paradigm inaccurate. The facts are emerging at present and Peer Reviewed Science has and will have some exciting discoveries for our era's awareness. These finds challenge their model, and that's why the scream fraud.
@overbeb
@overbeb Год назад
Sounds like he was a follower of Joseph Smith and Mormonism.
@carlmally6292
@carlmally6292 Год назад
@@overbeb He was a Lutheran. That sort of idiocy was popular then. The forerunners of Graham Hancock and the rest of the ancient aliens crowd.
@troypeterson6615
@troypeterson6615 Год назад
Anachronistic Mormons at work.
@dashsocur
@dashsocur Год назад
@@carlmally6292 Indeed, Joseph Smith merely co-opted an idea that was already pretty popular at the time (that's one of the reasons he got so many converts early on).
@fractuss
@fractuss Год назад
"I'm not an archaeologist, I'm a publisher", well that pretty much sums it up.
@travelinman70
@travelinman70 Год назад
"don't get in the way of business"
@rconger24
@rconger24 8 месяцев назад
Oh?
@damageman
@damageman 7 месяцев назад
Yeah that was clear..
@stephenmellentine
@stephenmellentine 4 месяца назад
"Bringo!" - Dr. Steve Bruhl
@MrRickb75645
@MrRickb75645 2 месяца назад
Your wrong and must be a lefty. You lefties all think that you have to have a degree. You don't think so e one can learn just by reading and listening to other archeologist. I quit school in the tenth grade. But I love history and love to read. And so I did for years. Well I had to go to a psychiatrist to get a test done to see where I was intellectually. She got through with me after three hours of testing. And wanted to know where I went to college. She said I had at least three and a half years of college. I told her no mam, I. A welder fitter. Never went to college . And she said she had been doing this for forty years and have never been wrong. I said you are now. She got mad and said well how did you know all this History? I like to read. I don't hardly ever watch TV. She said most people quit reading after school. I found that amazing. Because I couldn't comprehend people not wanting to read.
@toma5153
@toma5153 Год назад
So many artifacts basically found by just two men. You would expect lots of other Michigan folks making chance discoveries in their digging and construction work. But nothing really, zip, nada. Pretty weird batting average they had!
@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof
Justified proof we were not cuku for cocopuffs
@paulbriggs3072
@paulbriggs3072 Год назад
@@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof Yes, people who buy into this are fruit loops.
@haredr6511
@haredr6511 4 месяца назад
Actually, artifacts are found during construction. In the area where I live, back in the 70’s / 80’s, new neighborhoods were going up like crazy. When bones and artifacts were turned up, they were quickly dumped in trucks and hauled off, so as not to be seen. It’s very sad, but the state and county would shut down the build sites for years, or forever, if they knew, so the builders protect their investments by getting rid of the evidence. Economics wins over history. I myself as a kid, found what I now believe may have been an ancient drum, a piece of pottery with carved markings, and an arrowhead in the field across from my house. The “drum” and pottery were in the dirt under a small pile of rocks. Arrowhead was elsewhere in the field. Stupid kid, I thought nothing of the drum or pottery and tossed it. I still have the arrowhead. Point is, people find things and either don’t know what it is or purposely hide it.
@matildagreene1744
@matildagreene1744 4 месяца назад
Gougers
@TwoBs
@TwoBs 2 месяца назад
Yep. The fact that others are unable to find anything like these pieces in that area (or surrounding areas) is a huge red flag that so many sadly don’t bother considering. I mean, even with the truth coming out about the supposed artifacts, there are still people who refuse to acknowledge it and will try every way to justify continuing to believe it’s real.
@thefinalgrind
@thefinalgrind Год назад
I'm down in the east end of Monroe MI. Just south of the river and not far from the historic battlefields. I bought my house in 03& it was originally built in 1892. Ive found a lot of cool artifacts over the last two decades while renovating. Hell, i even thought i found gold inside some "black dirt" in the basement where the original foundation wall was caved in& replaced but all the surrounding dirt was left in the basement space. I have it saved somewhere but never tested it since it was just a few grains at that. I digress..... I can go anywhere on my property and dig down 6" and find something. Most of the time it's broken glass, bones, old nails, glassware or ceramics, etc. From 6-12" down it's more of the same but sometimes you can find entire bottles still together or random pieces of metal. When i dug the 42" deep trench to run utilities out to my shop I found most of an old pot belly cast iron stove around 2ft or so deep. There's stuff scattered everywhere. And what is that stuff? Mostly garbage. Like legit garbage. Why? Because I'm guessing that over the last 130 ish years of homeowners, many of them threw their garbage directly on the ground or buried it when they felt like digging a hole or giving the kids a chore or punishment. I'm guessing the original builders just let their materials that went unused sit where they lay. Or tossed them to the side& the earth scooped them up in time. I've found a few dozen nails clumped together in spots. Like someone tossed a bag of them to the ground& said screw it. Or maybe they pulled them from old wood& tossed them in a pile for years. I'm guessing the people in the house tossed their food scraps out the windows for the chickens&pigs to pick off of& eventually they were stomped into the earth. In guessing a few of the homeowners were drunks& broke bottles around the yard. Add to that the trees in the yard& the lack of maintenence, it doesn't take but a few years for the earth to reclaim what was once on top. Either way, 130yrs& it's nothing but garbage for 2-3ft down..... which means that i can only imagine actual artifacts from the past being pressed into the harder clay soil that sits beneath the soft dirt or sitting on bedrock or anywhere that would maintain them in location with minimal activity above. Ive yet to find anything worth actual value but i fill up a 5gal bucket every year full of garbage. Lol. Lastly, for the same man to "find" multiple artifacts in various locations...... he must be the luckiest person ever or the best ever OR just a fraud...... lol. With that said, everyone enjoys a good dig. Just make sure you know where you're digging first and what may lay beneath. It's a simple phone call away to find utility lines
@kimberlyault9242
@kimberlyault9242 Год назад
I live in Michigan in a 1896 farmhouse as well and I'm constantly digging up artifacts also. Pieces of glass bottles, pottery, plates (one with the full logo clearly visible, it was a very common 1800s manufacturer) and very rusty metal hardware. Like you said, it is most likely all of it was trash of the day. I keep most of what I find because it is interesting to me.
@beardedxj
@beardedxj Год назад
That's awesome!!! I would love to find artifacts around waterford. Also, pan that black dirt. Won't be too hard, there is plenty of gold here in Michigan. All glacial deposit unless in the UP there is some native gold.
@MrDoyle07
@MrDoyle07 Год назад
I live in a home in Allendale, MI, I refer to as “our hovel”. It was built in 1870 by a Civil War Veteran and was, as I understand from older neighbors, a hog farm in it’s day. I can’t dig into the yard here ‘anywhere’ and Not find some kind of old something, like a piece of a farm implement, or an old shovel, hoe or pick of some kind or the other; there are glass bottles, some not broken, and just simply anything you can imagine from those days. If the house had been put up with the old wood balloon construction of those days it would most likely offer up relics too as I change the interior walls but, he put this one together with cinder blocks and mortar. That means no old newspapers or cowboy and Indian magazines, no old dolls and shoes, period cigars and God knows what else I have found in remodels of other old wood framed houses from the 1800’s in Grand Rapids and surrounding areas. In one job we found old letters from a young girl and her Civil War Soldier; in one she even spoke of the Government coming and taking their horses as they were needed by the Army. Fascinating stuff. There is enough real artifact items out there without the need to creatively develop fakes. Fakes tends to diminish the initial value of artifacts and those who pull that should be severely reprimanded by our culture. They don’t deserve their moments in the light and they cast negativity on the rightful place of the real thing.
@williamcollins4082
@williamcollins4082 Год назад
Under the dousing art is 2 L shaped rods that cross directly over metal ... Takes a bit of pratice but very reliable ... A couple coat hangers will get you started... Brass even gold are the best as the vibrate as well as cross ...
@thefinalgrind
@thefinalgrind 11 месяцев назад
@@beardedxj I did find gold specs in it but who knows where it went. I have hoarder genetics so I save too much good shit as it is, let alone useless stuff. Lol. Combine hoarder genetics with being a handy man& it can add up way too fast. Lol. I clean shit out 4x a year& still think I have a mess. Although that may be the OCD kicking in.
@Icriedtoday
@Icriedtoday Год назад
The expert at the end is utterly wrong about no prehistoric smelters. Shame that he didn’t know this. Copper smelting was definitely going on prior to Columbus.
@tonybanana461
@tonybanana461 Год назад
When I went to Cahokia mounds in Illinois the museum claims that the natives who lived there were working copper.
@josephmiller997
@josephmiller997 Год назад
He didn't say nobody did it; he said there have been no smelting sites found in that area.
@sufyb6432
@sufyb6432 Год назад
Exactly!
@carlmally6292
@carlmally6292 Год назад
@@tonybanana461 They said they were cold working copper, not smelting it.
@mrbaab5932
@mrbaab5932 11 месяцев назад
Correct like in far away Oregon and Tennessee, but not Michigan.
@nicecriminal6150
@nicecriminal6150 Год назад
The truth is in-between but greed isn't.
@Grendel1974
@Grendel1974 10 месяцев назад
I also have stones with the same symbols there like symbols with an eye and lines I retire to talk to the archaeologist on the phone and I felt they made fun of me and basically asked what I seen on the stones and I told them what I knew at the time and they told me they would send someone out and then hung up Never took my info lol Idk how you can get help with this stuff but they are not a help
@mattf.9587
@mattf.9587 Год назад
I’m a Michigander and never heard of any of this, turns out for a very good reason, it’s a horrible attempt of a forgery.
@LobotomyTC
@LobotomyTC 6 месяцев назад
It's good state lore though.
@haredr6511
@haredr6511 4 месяца назад
It goes well with the rest of the corrupt and debauchery in the state. I always assumed MI’s sad state of affairs is due to the unions, but it seems it’s deep at the core.
@patriciamchenry
@patriciamchenry 4 месяца назад
You did not hear about it because these are these artifacts were suppressed and hidden From the public.
@LobotomyTC
@LobotomyTC 4 месяца назад
@@haredr6511 Watch your mouth, smoothbrain. Talk all the shit you want about the warzone south of Saginaw, but the rest of the state is paradise.
@mattf.9587
@mattf.9587 4 месяца назад
@@patriciamchenry “artifacts” more like artifakes.
@FarmerRiddick
@FarmerRiddick Год назад
Three minutes in and I new these was about "snake oil salesmen". At least it's a good lesson to be extremely critical of those way out of place finds. Little did they know, that some 900-1000 years ago, Scandinavian peoples of the Viking era would actually have established a small colony on the Atlantic coast of Canada, that was confirmed by real scientists over a half century of their respective deaths. Unless other such finds of that magnitude are yet to be unearthed, anything smaller will be held in a highly skeptical view, do in large part to molesting actors such as these two perpetuated, and the damage they did attempt or have done, to the collective history of us all. May the ancestors grant them their just rewards.
@paulbriggs3072
@paulbriggs3072 Год назад
Their ancestors???
@ChillCat665
@ChillCat665 7 месяцев назад
The haplogroup X DNA is found in native Americans and people from the sea of Galilee. DNA can't be faked
@matildagreene1744
@matildagreene1744 4 месяца назад
? More squatters ? LOL..Sorry, people of color were the earliest inhabitants ...not the Norskies. OK..who is the next bunch to claim our native land as theirs ????
@dennissalisbury496
@dennissalisbury496 Год назад
Without an archeological dig provenance to confirm where the artifacts were discovered is suspicious?
@price123456789
@price123456789 8 месяцев назад
I was at the meeting when Wayne May presented with Richard Stamps present, lots of evidence of Michigan Relics discovered over 100 years before Scotford and Soper were born. Yet when Dr. Stamps spoke to the same group he never acknowledged the compelling evidence presented by Wayne May. As a Full Professor with nearly 100 refereed articles in the scientific literate (biology and geospatial sciences) I was blown away at how he obviously had no intention of acknowledging the much earlier findings of the Michigan Relics. Most of his presentation was focused on Scotford and Soper calling them frauds, when the findings of many of the relics was obviously not a hoax. Many of the relics were found buried under the remains of Hopewell people. How did the hoaxers pull this one off. How come we find some relics in Southern Illinois. Did they ride a horse from Michigan to Southern Illinois just to plant some relics as a hoax? Come on folks, let's think logically.
@garybowler5946
@garybowler5946 8 месяцев назад
Mormons trying to get the Book of Mormon artifacts they so badly want.
@therealdannymullen
@therealdannymullen 7 месяцев назад
​@garybowler5946 Mormons are a perfect example of what it means to be human. They are both wrong AND right. Or rather, right for the wrong reasons, lol. Look up the Utah-Judah connection. It is fascinating.
@sherigraham3873
@sherigraham3873 7 месяцев назад
If you read the Henrietta Mertz book called 'The Mystic Symbol" you will see the these artifacts were mainly found by farmers or excavations for cellars or foundations. And Henrietta was a court forensics expert and attorney who gave forgery testimony all the time. She knew that these carvings were softened with time and timeworn. She believed them to be authentic. Open your mind people!
@Large_Marge_Sent_Me_
@Large_Marge_Sent_Me_ 7 месяцев назад
​@@therealdannymullenya Mormons originally believed all black people were evil, followers of Satan. Changed less than a hundred years ago. Tells your all you need to know
@rudistade5939
@rudistade5939 3 месяца назад
Yes, thinking logically means not being emotionally attached to side A or side B
@Coyote_Bongwater69
@Coyote_Bongwater69 Год назад
I'm a Michigander from Weidman, I always love to hear anything about the past here.
@philorlowski2681
@philorlowski2681 7 месяцев назад
Artifacts, relics and old world buildings, don't challenge the imagination -- they challenge the accuracy of the historical narrative we were taught.
@heavymetalredneck7973
@heavymetalredneck7973 Год назад
This is a story about how even intelligent people can be fooled by obvious fake items if they wish those items to be real, especially if it "proves" some oddball theory of theirs.
@deborahdean8867
@deborahdean8867 Год назад
Yes, like the evolutionists and their bone fragments with plastic molding to fill in the 99% gaps.
@koobs4549
@koobs4549 7 месяцев назад
They’re called Mormons 😂
@ChillCat665
@ChillCat665 7 месяцев назад
​@@koobs4549if the "Mormons" are wrong then how do you explain the haplogroup X DNA found in native Americans and people from the sea of Galilee? You can't fake DNA and just because some artifacts are fake doesn't mean all of them are
@soarel325
@soarel325 2 месяца назад
@@ChillCat665 There were no horses or chariots in the pre-Columbian Americas.
@shirleybalinski4535
@shirleybalinski4535 Год назад
I've lived in Michigan most of my life. I personally believe Michigan is definitely is a spooky place. With all the ledgends, crazy happenings, spooky places, heavy forests, wild weather & mysterious Lakes, it gets under your skin.
@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof
I am
@axiomaticidioms3857
@axiomaticidioms3857 7 месяцев назад
Maybe if you drink the water 😂 ...
@LarsLiveLaughLove
@LarsLiveLaughLove 7 месяцев назад
It is certainly a notable area. Born in Minnesota, visited Michigan there many times
@user-Dr.
@user-Dr. 6 месяцев назад
@@jimwills2094 That's funny
@user-Dr.
@user-Dr. 6 месяцев назад
Shirley: You still here?
@robsan52
@robsan52 Год назад
I have to say that if he falsified all this stuff he was amazingly prolific...thats a lot of work to do! Easier to just get a job.
@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof
Not a fake
@slightlyaboveaveragebutaverage
@slightlyaboveaveragebutaverage 7 месяцев назад
@@odis-edgardavidsonthefamilyof Seems pretty straight forward that they are fake, unless you have evidence to the contrary.
@SongOfSongsOneTwelve
@SongOfSongsOneTwelve Год назад
Check out the “grotesque” face oil lamp that was discovered in the foundations of Jerusalem; it is very similar to these objects. They seems like funerary votives to me.
@billorourke7152
@billorourke7152 Год назад
I grew up in the Gaylord Michigan area in the 70's before phones and internet. My friends and I spent whole summers fishing and exploring the forest. I nor anyone I know ever find anything.The one cool thing we did find was huge trees bent and all pointing in a line. They were obviously bent hundreds of years ago on purpose directing people to a destination. Sadly most of that area was cut down by loggers.
@songofseikilos8659
@songofseikilos8659 Год назад
they were called thong trees
@Dillonmac96
@Dillonmac96 8 месяцев назад
You can tell the clear difference in intelligence between the different guys studying these… the one guy who took the artifacts to experts of the specific materials is absolutely how you find truth.. then he ended his interview by saying “that’s science it could easily change” admitting that he could be wrong and you hear no doubt in his voice he means it.. the other guys seemed angry or affirming their proof is undeniable.. it seems like they aren’t really doing the same caliber of work… I didn’t see one ancient Hebrew expert I just saw a guy who claims to know all about it. Putting words together with symbols in a tile that’s clearly fake with poorly drawn Indians watching a calendar… trying to attach a solar eclipse and meteor to shoenproof is really a stretch
@22guru
@22guru 5 месяцев назад
No kidding like whoever created the tablet was doing it on the day of the eclipse and just happened to write the biblical happenings from hundreds of years earlier.
@gizmo-xc4eb
@gizmo-xc4eb Год назад
Right. Nobody ever talks about the Minoan Tablet at a museum in Saint Ignace. Or all the floating cooper in the UP the feed the Bronze Age
@Oddball5.0
@Oddball5.0 Год назад
I’ll talk about it: it’s not a Minoan tablet. You’re welcome.
@garnerjoyce606
@garnerjoyce606 7 дней назад
St. Ignacio,1st church, Americas
@garnerjoyce606
@garnerjoyce606 7 дней назад
Ignacio us, ok yeah
@SongOfSongsOneTwelve
@SongOfSongsOneTwelve Год назад
4:48 The character depicted in the middle is likely a High priest, with other priests at the feet of the deceased person. The symbol on the high priest’s necklace looks like the Canaanite/pre-ancient Hebrew synbol for God (Aleph). The other depictions show scenes from Noah’s flood, with the ark in the water, people in peril in the water and the dove holding an olive branch. It also shows ONE door, just like the Bible says Noah had. Notice that It is NOT bow-shaped! This is very encouraging because Ron Wyatt discovered a portion of the ark, as well as pilots, and they all described a long, rectangular wooden vessel jutting out of the mountain when the snow shifted and allowed visibility. If you go to Turkey now, there is still a place called the Valley of Eight, located 7-10 km East of Dogubeyazit, and there are enormous drogue stones (heavy weights to balance the ark) littering the valley, just like what would happen if the boat was starting to near shallower water or rocky ground so they wouldn’t drag and catch. There are still the remains of what the locals at the village call “Noah’s” house. On one of the drogue stones, there is a depiction of Noah, his wife, three sons and their wives and the wife is portrayed as dead. The Bible never mentions her when Noah’s ark lands on Mount Ararat. It really is amazing how many artifacts remain there in the Valley of Eight.
@ensenadorjones4224
@ensenadorjones4224 10 месяцев назад
The radio carbon dating on the Mt arrorat structure was conducted by 4 labs. 3 of them had results varying from the year 800 ce to the year 1700 ce. One of them (not kegit in my opinion) said the wood, fibers and pellets were 4800 bce. It's not Noah's arc.
@gopro7164
@gopro7164 4 месяца назад
Only 4 hrs up, in very early morning , or very late night, and over 6,600 views.. it's fun to be together in this.
@refind4God
@refind4God Год назад
3000 artifacts dived by 25 years equals 120 artifacts made a year. 120 artifacts dived by 12 months equals 10 made a month. 10 artifacts divided by 4 weeks equals 2.5 artifacts made a week. It could've been done by one person easily. Just saying.
@ramsrnja
@ramsrnja 9 месяцев назад
Far-fetched
@Pixelkip
@Pixelkip 7 месяцев назад
not at all he just described how easy it would be, dummy@@ramsrnja
@mrnobody5381
@mrnobody5381 Год назад
My grandfather, he grew up in detroit back in the 1920s-30s. One day, coming home from school, he came across a museum that had closed and threw out a bunch of stuff. He grabbed as much as he could, a large collection of items. Some of them i believe are connected to these relics. I recognize the drill holes. My father has the collection now. uses one of the drilled pieces as a massage rock. Works great. Alot of native American axe heads, other stone items. We even have a zulu spear, with notch marks in it. I stand to inherit it. My grandfather, being a wood worker, made very nice displays of the items. Grandfather also brought home a Japanese sword from the war serving in the pacific. To be able to hold these things in your hand, its something else really. The sword was a working sword and you can tell. It has wear. Handles are falling apart. Also have a bayonet from the franco german war of 1871, in excellent condition really for its age.
@benjalucian1515
@benjalucian1515 Год назад
Lucky!
@jamesc8259
@jamesc8259 Год назад
Have the sword looked at. It could be hundreds of years old. Some Japanese officers would use a sword that was handed down in their family for generations. Look it up, it wasn’t uncommon. They would repurpose the sword with a new hand guard and handle. There was an article less than a year ago that a WWII veteran returned a sword to a family in Japan that was made in the 16th century
@shable1436
@shable1436 Год назад
There's markings on the tang under the handles, that's the sword makers mark, look up the symbols. The pawn stars had a few looked at and they ended up being worth tons of money
@sullivanspapa1505
@sullivanspapa1505 Год назад
Mr Nobody you recognize the drill holes… are they similar to the holes in head!
@sullivanspapa1505
@sullivanspapa1505 Год назад
I’ll wager your sword has markings “ made in Japan…Taiwan… China or Cicero, Illinois.
@shable1436
@shable1436 Год назад
Ppl seem to make these stories fit into their beliefs to support their thinking. For instance, the publisher is correct, he's not a geologist, archaeologist, or antiquities expert😂, its a fake oil lamp, or real one that was planted in West Virginia
@ensenadorjones4224
@ensenadorjones4224 10 месяцев назад
His agenda is to prove that the Book of Mormon is true. Which in my opinion it is true. But he makes money doing seminars about the historocity of the Book of Mormon. He proposes that the stories in the book took place from Louisiana up to Michigan. I am Mormon. Most Mormons believe the lands and people described in the Book of Mormon are in Meso America. The book of mormon talks about two groups of people leaving the middle east and coming America under God's direction. Thus some of the people here anciently were descendants of Isreal.
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 7 месяцев назад
Thevoil lamp is a classical fraud. It is not documented in any archeological dig in the US. So it could come anywhere. People are not aware how importatnt documentation is and what context a found exists.
@MyPhobo
@MyPhobo 11 месяцев назад
It's pretty cool that we're so good at recognizing patterns, that we can train ourselves to tell which rocks were dug up where.
@DocFixit32
@DocFixit32 8 месяцев назад
All I have to say is that those old hoaxsters were very educated to have come up with fake languages that had such high statistical correlation to actual languages and then put that into actual events. They really put a lot of work into that.
@bartolomeothesatyr
@bartolomeothesatyr 8 месяцев назад
Even a fake language is invented to serve the purposes of facilitating grammatical communication -- a fake language *_will_* have high statistical correlation to existing languages, just due to the fact that it is a language. That's the nature of language, and of statistical correlations. If those old hoaxsters were *_that_* educated, they would have done a better job at weathering the "artifacts" to make the incised lines less fresh and crisp, and if they were *_really_* dedicated, they should have hired another artist to make some of them. As it is, every one of the artifacts shown in this video appears to have been made by the same artisan in the same workshop within the last couple of centuries *_at most_* . Incised lines this shallow would have been erased by the weathering process centuries ago if they were anywhere near as old as claimed.
@nancylowe2692
@nancylowe2692 7 месяцев назад
I think at some point someone thought that the hoaxter guy had found a real artifact and, realizing he could make money, he used the emblems or "letters' from the first one to make more of them to sell.
@Patriot1777
@Patriot1777 Год назад
As a artifact collector, I can say these look totally FAKE.😅
@sufyb6432
@sufyb6432 Год назад
There are ancient mines in that area, and many skeletons were unearthed there. These may not be fake.
@briannadickson2884
@briannadickson2884 Год назад
They'll never listen 🙄😒
@kevinbus3899
@kevinbus3899 Год назад
This one person finds thousands of artifacts...only him? Really?
@sukt00
@sukt00 11 месяцев назад
One family made a bunch of tablet forgeries but there’s a number of other types of things that have been found
@davidpanetta5492
@davidpanetta5492 Год назад
“There are notions so foolish that only an intellectual will believe them.” George Orwell
@dominicgarcia85
@dominicgarcia85 Год назад
I’ve seen something like this in New Mexico where I live in los lunas and Tijeras canyon
@powertothepeople4712
@powertothepeople4712 7 месяцев назад
This caught my eye because my grandmother moved to cass lake area and her boyfriend was Ojibwa who had found all kinds of arrowheads in that area. He jad put them on velvet and framed them but whats interedting is he had these relic things in the middle. They slmost look mayan but yet they were from MN.
@gizmo-xc4eb
@gizmo-xc4eb Год назад
Many ancient explorers came through. They didn’t leave much because they were not settling. Take the Spanish for example back in the 1600s. They were here. But only the French and English colonized the Great Lakes Region
@janneaaltonen7366
@janneaaltonen7366 3 месяца назад
People should be more aware that in the turn of the 19th and 20th century it was very fashionable to "find relics of ancient high cultures" and fabrications were quite common. See Kensington runestone, its a prime example of the phenomenon
@timdavis832
@timdavis832 8 месяцев назад
To mention Nicea without mentioning that it was a despute between Athenatius and Arius. Also, make it Dan Brown level conspiracy is pretty dumb.
@barbaradetmer9927
@barbaradetmer9927 9 месяцев назад
I live in Illinois, there is a cave in central illinois where he discovered a trove of Egyptian artifacts. I believe he keeps the location secret, although he has shown some of the artifacts. This may also be connected to your collection. Sorry I don’t have more information.
@sherigraham3873
@sherigraham3873 7 месяцев назад
Yes, I heard of this cave on 'Coast to Coast' radio many years ago.
@justwastedtv4075
@justwastedtv4075 4 месяца назад
Also deemed a hoax Burrows Cave
@benjalucian1515
@benjalucian1515 Год назад
What's the controversy? Only one guy finds them and he finds them in the counties where he moves to. NO ONE ELSE has to date found any in Michigan, yet he found thousands? Yes, the guy who faked it simply went to a library - they had those in the them olden days - and copied symbols from ancient civilizations all over the world. But since he didn't understand the language, he just used them as decoration. That's why we can't decipher the 'text' because it's just random letters. Anyone can make an oil lamp out of clay. There's even a tutorial for children to create one. Once you fire the clay it's indistinguishable from ancient oil lamps with some aging. Since this guy bought it from a collection and thus out of context for its surroundings, it's worthless as evidence of Mediterranean presence. Simply saying "Well the guy I bought it from has authenticated Native American pieces" doesn't prove anything. And why would anyone from the Mediterranean area come to the Americas for copper ore when Cyprus and Egypt and other such places were centers of copper production in the copper age? I wonder if that "mystical" etching on all the fake relics is someone's initials, as joke. So fake, fake and fake.
@badguy5554
@badguy5554 Год назад
The amount of copper used in the Bronze Age was so massive, the various sources around Europe and the Middle East have been questioned as to their ability to produce copper in those quantities.
@garrettgrooms2773
@garrettgrooms2773 Год назад
If there is no providence all you have is a piece of metal or clay. This is almost as bad as the "Egyptians settled in the Grand Canyon I saw a few weeks ago..."
@scrappybobbarker5224
@scrappybobbarker5224 Год назад
At the time they said people came to the great lakes for the copper the copper age was over, copper wasn't that valuable then
@floridaboiwoody
@floridaboiwoody Год назад
The simplest and most likely answer usually is in fact the answer. Aliens.
@chraffis
@chraffis Год назад
Fake. Fake. Fake. FAKE!!!. There. Just incase there was some doubt.
@dat2ra
@dat2ra 3 месяца назад
As a professional Geologist, I wonder why none of the artifacts shown have any soil (iron, humus) staining or any carbonate deposits on them as usually occur on ancient artifacts. To me, many of the "tablets" look like old slate roofing shingles from the Martinsburg Formation in PA. I am not aware of similar slate in MI.
@daveditchdigger2111
@daveditchdigger2111 Год назад
The eclipse on July 26 over that one county is interesting, I would love for that to be real. Greed is so abundant on this earth and truth is so elusive because of it.
@saludanite
@saludanite Год назад
The main question is loudly being proclaimed; WHY are these items NOT part of a town or city? Mounds are usually the residence of a past living community, with all the elements of life scattered about.
@EmilFranken
@EmilFranken 6 месяцев назад
Aswell as being used for sinks slate was also very commonly used for roofing. many of the slate tablets look like obvious roof tiles that still have the nail holes in them. very easy to find at any construction site in the 1890's
@theresajones8367
@theresajones8367 7 месяцев назад
I’m from where the Slate Museum is, and I recognize that slate sink and saw. I’m going to show this to my dad who was on the original board of the museum. He’ll get a kick out of this.
@patchmumfilibuster7202
@patchmumfilibuster7202 7 месяцев назад
I'd like to know what Dr. Irving Finkel would think of the cuneiform writing. Irving Leonard Finkel is a British philologist and Assyriologist. He is the Assistant Keeper of Ancient Mesopotamian script, languages and cultures in the Department of the Middle East in the British Museum, where he specialises in cuneiform inscriptions on tablets of clay from ancient Mesopotamia.
@g19m38
@g19m38 Год назад
Those artifacts look so fake.
@ChumblesMumbles
@ChumblesMumbles Год назад
The description of the Scotford/Soper 'relic hunts' is really all you need to realize that these are fakes. If you really can just dig any old place and come up with a bunch of artifacts, then everyone in Michigan should have found one by now. And yet somehow the only time anyone ever found one of these things was when Scotford & Soper were present.
@julieb3808
@julieb3808 5 месяцев назад
When I was a kid I grew up in Flint Michigan and I would find arrowheads all the time in the dirt. It wasn't nothing to find a new Arrowhead
@wadesnyder6871
@wadesnyder6871 3 месяца назад
i grew up in flint as well😎
@MarceneLloyd
@MarceneLloyd 7 месяцев назад
Very balanced, you found the way to walk that fine line. Thank you! I wasn't so sure in the beginning.
@Loliolla
@Loliolla 10 месяцев назад
Never heard of these artifacts. I know that mound culture existed in southern Michigan, but based on everything I’ve read that culture had a minor presence in comparison to Ohio and Indiana. And by the late 1800s, most most mounds were excavated or destroyed by farmers who got curious about that funny hill on the back 40 or wanted to flatten their field, so it’s unlikely that a hoard of artifacts would suddenly appear. It makes sense that the Michigan copper was traded by pre-Columbian native cultures, but that doesn’t prove the artifacts are real. The most far fetched artifacts are the written tablets. The etchings are way too clean and precise to be that old. slate is incredibly brittle so, it’s hard to believe they’d be in tact. there’s a lot of cherry picking by the ‘experts’ in this video and a lot of bs. They ignore the fact that books existed that provided examples of the writing and symbols on the tablets. I’m sure the Carnegie Mellon libraries that were popping up all over the country during the last 1800s had ample supply of these books. It’s sad that people continue to believe the artifacts are legit.
@eddiemclean7011
@eddiemclean7011 7 месяцев назад
There was a sunken ship found in the Mediterranean with copper ore that matched that from upper Michigan. It was a bronze age vessel if memory serves. The copper pits of the upper peninsula used to be attributed to Indian activity but I think that theory has now quietly gone to bed.
@HepCatJack
@HepCatJack Год назад
At 39:53, for the evidence of copper smelting. Back during the great depression there was a dam project that was put forth to put people to work and produce electrical energy. The area that was to be flooded once the dam was completed had evidence of ancient copper smelting (on stretched animal hides) leaving permanent marks on the ground which were documented via photography. Later in the late 20th century a shipwreck containing stretched ox-hide shaped copper ingots in the shape matching the photographs taken in the late 1930's early 1940's. I forgot what the Dam project was called, but there was a videos about it on You Tube some years back. There can't have that many massive dam projects in that area during the great depression, it's likely that the photographs could be found in the library of congress.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury Год назад
Those funds were from a later period than that claimed by the people who believe the Michigan artifacts were from the 300s.
@dashsocur
@dashsocur 6 месяцев назад
Michigan Relics aside, it is so refreshing to hear a scientist be open to new evidence changing the narrative (and even saying "that's science"). Such a huge contrast to prominent members in other scientific fields (Egyptology in particular springs to mind) who like to say variations of "the science is settled" or they have the "definitive" account of their field.
@featherknife8611
@featherknife8611 5 месяцев назад
What you find so "refreshing" is simply the scientific method. Science is always open to new data and evidence, which changes the "narrative". That's how it works. Anyone who holds on to previous theories because they are particularly enamored with their own discoveries, or favorite theories, is no scientist. When that happens, the person in question goes down in history as a failed and fraudulent practitioner. Someone who establishes a theory, that is later proved to be in error after new data comes to light, is not discredited, but actually celebrated as part of the ongoing scientific method. It is no disgrace, unlike someone who would pervert the scientific method to hold on to their erroneous position. Those people are either examples of egotistic, unprincipled people who are not following actual scientific methods, or, as in the case of some Egyptologists who refuse to consider new data and findings, polluted by political, religious, or cultural influences. There is, actually, very few issues that could actually be termed "settled science". Every scientist actually knows that. The people who do not understand these things are ignorant of the scientific method, which is the best system humanity has to keep us from lying to ourselves in our examination of facts, history, etc.
@rudistade5939
@rudistade5939 3 месяца назад
Open to new evidence? What a concept! lol
@stephenbrown7924
@stephenbrown7924 Год назад
All one has to do is look at Mesopotamian artifacts in the Middle East, compare them with the Michigan counterparts and one can see how amateurish the Michigan ones are. Seems pretty obvious.
@blackhawk7r221
@blackhawk7r221 Год назад
I’ve said this before on other channels. Post WW2, my asshole grandfather and his friends took time to see America. They had particular fun leaving behind rune or Viking graffiti on lone rocks. Or stacking rocks and etching a mysterious symbol as a fake marker. He said he had never heard of Knights Templars back then or he’d have left some of those signs, too. Dude loved messing with gullible people. Somewhere in Pennsylvania is a small cave with cave art depicting stick men with M-1’s chasing a Brontosaurus.
@dragonwithagirltattoo598
@dragonwithagirltattoo598 Год назад
I agree. He sounded like a total jerk.
@kentuckycrittercamera9407
@kentuckycrittercamera9407 Год назад
This sounds hilarious
@travelinman70
@travelinman70 Год назад
he sounds like a hoot. What a great idea!!!! bread crumbs for the idiots.
@jamesbehrje4279
@jamesbehrje4279 Год назад
Your grandfather was awesome. Lol
@kentuckycrittercamera9407
@kentuckycrittercamera9407 Год назад
@@jamesbehrje4279 he seems to be the forerunner of the Meme Lord. All hail Grandpa Blackhawk!
@marieality1
@marieality1 10 месяцев назад
THANK YOU for acknowledging this. I've a small collection that says there's a whole lot more going on then anything we could ever have imagined. AZ location for me. This excites me !!
@dougkennedy4906
@dougkennedy4906 7 месяцев назад
They have recently found a stone hedge type structure under the waters of Lake Michigan .
@peggybaxter8480
@peggybaxter8480 Год назад
Thank You. Very thought provoking!
@timothy4664
@timothy4664 Год назад
Dr Stamps is a bad ass. Went all the way to offer definitive evidence. Total pro
@44hawk28
@44hawk28 Год назад
Mr. Stamps is opening up things that he claims to know nothing about and yet he's commenting on them. Plus he's misidentifying the grain of the wood what you might put some clay with saw marks that are clearly not consistent enough in any way shape or form to be marks made by a saw. Then eventually shows a circular saw and circular saws do not make straight cuts. They just don't! And then he comments eventually that he can't identify what Henrietta births was seeing, and yet he doesn't state that he has any background in languages. The man is a fraud commenting on shit he knows nothing about admittedly he knows nothing about them! I do understand the problem with the thin sheets of copper. Those are decidedly fraudulent for the most part. Because the American Indians use pounding stones to pound out their copper they could not have made sheets of copper even in their smelting operations down in Ohio. I do agree that there were no smelting operations yet found in Michigan. But many smelting operations by American aboriginals have been found in Ohio. And it cannot be denied. They've got slag present, which is consistent with a smelting operation amongst other things.
@timothy4664
@timothy4664 Год назад
@@44hawk28 lol. Okay champ
@rb98769
@rb98769 8 месяцев назад
He probably already knew they were fake at a glance, but he still went all the way to thoroughly debunk them.
@marcsalyer9725
@marcsalyer9725 Год назад
Amazing the willing gullibility of intelligent people. Some of the Michigan artifacts are obvious forgeries. Doesn’t it stand to reason that some forgeries are better than others?
@garypasseno374
@garypasseno374 Год назад
Very interesting. Thanks from Northeast Michigan
@OublietteTight
@OublietteTight 2 месяца назад
Had a young friend who traveled on a class trip to Europe. He signed every painting he could access that had no existing signature.
@theragingredneckhaulsoff6760
Something people forget- a 3000 year old artifact could have been brought over 100 years ago and lost.....
@oldgysgt
@oldgysgt Год назад
That would explain the Clay oil lamp, but not the thousands of bogus ""artifacts" these con artist were "finding".
@theragingredneckhaulsoff6760
@@oldgysgt agree completely.....
@007ElSenor
@007ElSenor Год назад
Mr. Deal translated the writing. Did he not find it suspicious that an ancient language translates to English?
@guywilliams6569
@guywilliams6569 Год назад
I live in Michigan and I've never heard of these.
@edsiceloff9473
@edsiceloff9473 11 месяцев назад
One of the books I've been reading this spring/summer is Barry Fell's "America B.C." He was an epigrapher, and died somewhat recently. There are stones around, especially in New England, but other places as well, that had been inscribed in what he, and others, called Occam script. That is a combination of Celtic, Phoenician (close to Israel) and then Carthage as well. This is before western Europeans, before 1492. Just asking that we not throw the baby out with the bathwater. One of the guys said that "Scofford polluted the artifacts." I think that that is more likely true.
@TheEudaemonicPlague
@TheEudaemonicPlague 7 месяцев назад
Fell was a professor of invertebrate zoology--"best known for his pseudoarchaeological work in New World epigraphy, arguing that various inscriptions in the Americas are best explained by extensive pre-Columbian contact with Old World civilizations. His writings on epigraphy and archaeology are generally rejected by those mainstream scholars who have considered them." Not exactly the guy to believe on this topic. It doesn't strike you as peculiar, the particular choices of old world scripts? They are commonly chosen as something that few people can read, but are familiar enough to be identified, which is exactly what a hoaxer needs. This kind of hoax can be found all over North America, especially the US. Don't be a sucker, don't open your mind to the point your brain falls out. For that matter, this stuff has been done for many centuries across the old world, long before the new world began to be overrun by Europeans. You'd have to be seriously stupid to just take this crap as anything but crude forgeries.
@edsiceloff9473
@edsiceloff9473 7 месяцев назад
Equally wrong to do would be to treat his judges as though they were unbiased, scientists who did not have significant investment, in time if not money, into the structure of epigraphic archaeology of the present day and age. Science quits being science when it automatically will not consider the questions that consider its choice of facts, omitting those that would disprove them, or when it will not consider the driving presuppositions. When you permit the concept of "it is already proven science", you now begin to talk about either religion, or engineering. @@TheEudaemonicPlague
@francoistombe
@francoistombe 3 месяца назад
Fell (1917-1994) was a person of extraordinary genius. His critics are always people who never knew him. His special knowledge was in ancient euro-mediterranean scripts. The new world studies came from the appearance of these scripts at new world sites. North America archeologists lacked the linguistic knowledge to critique Fell scientifically so they went ad hominem. Fell considered these Michigan artifacts to be 100% fraudulent and didn't waste any time on them.
@user-pf2ko8cm8q
@user-pf2ko8cm8q 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely outstanding documentary. I love in Grrand Rapids, Michigan. I remember when they found a bunch of things by the river.
@S.L.O.P.
@S.L.O.P. Месяц назад
Your city, GR, is the cleanest city I've ever visited. I live in FL. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@lazerith840
@lazerith840 6 месяцев назад
Scientists recently discovered a Stonehenge like structure in lake mic. It’s underwater around 40ft and scientists believe it dates back to ice age.
@benjibanks7894
@benjibanks7894 6 месяцев назад
Supposed to have found ancient Egyptian artifacts in some cave in the grand canyon also. Very interesting stuff.
@scrappybobbarker5224
@scrappybobbarker5224 Год назад
Millions of those oil lamps but no colonists ever traded them to the indians
@adoxartist1258
@adoxartist1258 Год назад
Nothing like a clever con artist to perpetuate a long lived hoax we still discuss today. Cheers, ya sneaky bastard! 🍻
@pipersall6761
@pipersall6761 Год назад
Very interesting. Thank you.
@chrismadaj8751
@chrismadaj8751 Год назад
Thanks for doing this more people are showing this kind of stuffI to the population
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
26:11⇢27:41.. from a doubtful Central Michigan "¿mystery?" to a direct link ☛ to the Council of Nicea ...in less than a minute and half ... ...is that how "Real History" is done?..
@JacobWilliams-hh9pq
@JacobWilliams-hh9pq Год назад
This is no controversy. I feel sorry for anyone who believed this garbage.
@fredbarnes2600
@fredbarnes2600 Год назад
I don't think the Diffusionists are doing anything useful for themselves by hitching their cause to these artifacts. There are enough verified (Vikings) and likely cases ( like the Kon Tiki thing, theories about the Chinese, Irish etc) It's quite possible in isolated cases. However this doesn't serve their cause. Also did these Copts show up, leave artifacts behind and leave only these traces and no other everyday items or signs of habitation? Or remains that would be distinct from Native Americans?
@jennaywilliams7664
@jennaywilliams7664 Год назад
They can't help but to speak the truth whether it serves their purpose or reveals their self interest
@sufyb6432
@sufyb6432 Год назад
Perhaps they lived in structures that did not survive. Doesn't mean they weren't there.
@KatiePerrin
@KatiePerrin Год назад
I remember making those in art class back in the day.
@MrMAC8964
@MrMAC8964 Год назад
Yeah that's what they said alright " hey, there's some money to be made here" lol .
@wannabetall2000
@wannabetall2000 11 месяцев назад
Fantastic film! I would absolutely love to see an identical production about the Voynich manuscript!
@TheLastNameR
@TheLastNameR 10 месяцев назад
Incredible! This is really interesting stuff!
@sieglindesmith9092
@sieglindesmith9092 3 месяца назад
The drilled slate pieces are ringers for the roofing from a friend's cottage. Also can't integrate the condition of the finds with their supposed/claimed age. "Tools leave marks" - love the dose of reality. All that said, I wish it were all true. It's a great story.
@shadymaint1
@shadymaint1 Год назад
You should do a video on the Newberry tablet.
@au7-721
@au7-721 11 месяцев назад
I was born in Newberry MI.
@shadymaint1
@shadymaint1 11 месяцев назад
@@au7-721 I'm from St.Ignace.
@duaneoestreich2792
@duaneoestreich2792 Год назад
Novi Michigan. New construction builds... Watched them steam roll two burial mounds. In the process of clearing the land.. they were four foot tall and 20 feet round.. built with rocks.. mentioned it them .. they said the farmers out those there. !!!!!! Yeah. Ok. Walked two miles in the woods to lay rocks in a burial form. Michigan just builds over lost natives
@tashacherry1480
@tashacherry1480 9 месяцев назад
A simple isotope test can tell whether or not copper is from Michigan. GRAM won't touch that topic with a 100ft pole bc it blows his theories off the pages.
@hanikaram3351
@hanikaram3351 Год назад
the funny joke on us is that no skeletons or signs of any burials and bones or personel belongings found beside these obiects or nearby
@R90916
@R90916 Год назад
If you have not been to the petroglyphs in cass city, go when you can! there is a menora carved into it. The guides there are awesome as well.
@hollyandstelladoodle8748
@hollyandstelladoodle8748 10 месяцев назад
I’ve been there many times! Very cool place!
@sherigraham3873
@sherigraham3873 7 месяцев назад
Where is Cass City? And where are these petroglyphs?
@bmiller9456
@bmiller9456 Год назад
Wonder why they don't mention "Mormon" James E Talmage - a professor and Church official - who examined the "relics" and declared them as fakes?
@sufyb6432
@sufyb6432 Год назад
They may be fakes, but Talked he knew that there were ancient people who lived in that area before the native Americans.
@SacaPuuntas
@SacaPuuntas 8 месяцев назад
Im glad Talmage didn’t just buy in because of his faith. It’s also nice to hear that the LDS church sought out a legit Michigan archeologist to examine the collection. It would have been tempting to use this stuff to corroborate certain beliefs.
@OlszkoolCustoms
@OlszkoolCustoms Месяц назад
Wondering if any of the writing matches the writing on the copper plates found in Lovelock cave. Also I seen somewhere about a ancient copper mine in northern Michigan that would have taken thousands of people thousands of years to mine out, but nobody knows who mined it. I find very crude stone tools in and around the rivers and creeks near Cleveland Ohio
@corydavis4788
@corydavis4788 28 дней назад
I live in southwest Michigan and have thousands of artifacts personally. I have theories that I can prove that are critical to the movement.
@AmericanFire33
@AmericanFire33 9 месяцев назад
I have to say that these artifacts are way too new looking to be as old as they say. Actual artifacts from that era are much more deteriorated, especially if they have been in the ground. I have to believe that the BoM, and the golden plates are a complete miracle. There is no way that without divine intervention the plates could have sat in a stone box for about 1600 years and come out legible. How on earth did that box not get flooded? It was extremely well made.
@tenabarnes3269
@tenabarnes3269 8 месяцев назад
Those golden Mormon tablets have never been seen other than by Joseph Smith, why were the tablets not saved and preserved by your church.
@AmericanFire33
@AmericanFire33 7 месяцев назад
@@tenabarnes3269 No, they were returned to the Angel. Through the power of Jesus Christ there are resurrected beings and the plates were precious to them. Besides, we are trying to convince you to trust the science and this is the proof the plates are true. We are trying to get you to read the text, feel the spirit and become converted. That is not a materialistic process facilitated by evidence, it’s a spiritual process facilitated by faith, prayer and personal study.
@rflair
@rflair 7 месяцев назад
@@AmericanFire33 Your last sentence is a contradiction, believe because you need to believe; your previous sentences are just ridiculous.
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