The costly lesson other clubs can learn from Collingwood's mistake with Ginnivan - Footy Classified 

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Sam "West Coast Won't Pick Reid" McClure

Yes yes yes.

@@dragon13304He’s a fake. Just says anything to get himself a headline. Morris even worse.

Yeah he's not so cool and hip and collected nown

Spot on. If every player picked and chose what they did in junior footy into AFL then why do we have senior coaches?

shut up

Kane has a short memory of his own comments regarding Jack over his career.

Good points, but I don't think he was talking just about freedom and not wanting to be told where to play. He was talking about the "system" and its structure, plays and patterns they needed to stick to at Collingwood. He mentioned having to stay over one side of the ground during plays because that's how they were drawn up, and he had no freedom to change or provide input to improve them. He's talking about change not just to suit him but to suit the club, improving plays etc. I actually think he's got a smart footy brain and people can't see past this because of the selfies and celebrations. I know you're going to mention those plays won them a premiership, but they're not working now and the players should be having input into the structure, not just told to conform to it. My 2 cents anyway.

@Portyhouse Elliot small forward in team then Hill recruited then Schultz recruited meant they were thinking beyond Jack. His 23 season Jack was mostly in VFL and not in best 22 but injuries got him a gig in GF, which 7 possessions showed in that game. Very lucky to be selected. I think Craig knows he made a mistake in playing him in GF ahead of others but that's footy. Hawks are on the up on a run but not won anything yet. Let's see who is better for Pies Schultz or Jack longterm. An ANZAC medal and 40 goals in 2022 but was unable to hold his spot in team over season but has a 🏅 as a premiership player.

Lol 😂

McClure did admit the others on the panel have been in the game much longer than him. I just forget who Sam played for.

@@gustaaf1892He played with himself

Oliver needs to go lol Melbourne should have traded to Carlton when they had a chance

good point

Oliver is 27, Ginnivan is 21. Kane never said Melbourne should "give up on Oliver" he stated that if a club came with interest in Oliver then Melbourne should take the trade or deal put forward, this is not comparable to deliberately trading away a 20 year old in a trade you fronted. People in the comments who argue against Kane can't seperate their distaste for him and the facts of what they're saying. Your entire comment is moot.

I think Melbourne got the best out of Oliver. Oliver's cooked now. Trade him to another team that may be able to get him back to his best. North Melbourne maybe?

Or just leave

He’s tool

McClure did admit the others on the panel have been in the game much longer than him. I just forget who he played for.

He was a ducker. When he started he had a bad habit of ducking into tackles to draw frees. It was so obvious and he got a lot of constructive criticism for it. To Ginifan's credit, he stopped ducking into tackles but I still think he has behaviour and attitude issues. Lets not forget the pics of him partying around illegal drugs. Maybe he will grow out of it as he matures but I think Collingwood made the right choice moving him on.

@@tubester4567 "behavior and attitude issues" Name DeGoey ring a bell

@@troyjackson3832 Sure, Other players have had issues, some you take a risk on, others its best to move on. The way Ginnifan mocked the pies supporters, (and was showboating) suggested to me Collingwood did the right thing, and Im a Norf supporter. I've never been a fan of showboating players but thats just me.

@@tubester4567 he mocked them because they spent the whole game booing the hell out of him.

So true they flip flop and no one can take them seriously. It’s quite appalling

Yep you’ll hear nothing but crickets from that lot. A lot of people like to make noise towards anyone going against the grain but as soon as you’re the only one right you’ll never hear a peep from them.

I don’t think Eddie cares, I just think he’s blindly loyal to the pies

Don’t worry about Eddie…he has 70 million in the bank and climbing! Hawthorn can win 10 straight flags the only place you’ll see your name is on a membership card which you need to pay full price for. Hawthorn is 11th btw not 1st. Your bank balance reads $6.24

@@joeezra5460yeah but Eddie’s heart and soul are a disappointing unsuccessful overhyped Collingwood and he can suck the packer families balls until he aspirates or have has much money in the bank as he wants but Collingwood will never be as successful in his life time as he wants

Collingwood don't win premierships much.... I'd say they'd take last year than not

Macare is a premiership coach Collingwood 17th under Buckley 3 years ago Macrae 1st season 17th to prelim final Next season premiership coach This year 2 games out of the top 8 with 5 games to go But you say Mitchel is he is a better coach ? What evidence is there mitchell is bettef ? I am a hawk supporter

@@cweatherfella547 The difference is the pies had an established list buckly had built, Mcrae knew how to get a couple seasons out of. They were unperforming under buckly, mitchel is building a team from nothing and already surpassed expectations. Its like comparing chris scotts first year as a coach to chris fagan at brisbane. One got a built team with established culture, one built a team and established the culture

@@Tosicc567 You are missing your own point I am wasting my time but here goes You said Mitchell is a better coach then macrae Macrae is a premiership coach NOW Its in the records NOW Mitchell is still a MIGHT be If i open the reCord books Mitchell name is Not theRE as a premiership coach Macraes is Macrae is the genius now He is the reigning premiership coach By the wY Vollingwood was & is an ordinary side that has 5 or 6 stars that's its macraes system & strategy & luck with injuries tgat won that flag Everybody is getting a little excited about the Hawks As much as i want it to be true That's not how real life or footy works MIGHT BE IS NOT THE SAME AS GOT IT DONE

@@cweatherfella547 yeah and his record is really helping him now isn't it, of course he's a great coach. Doesn't change the fact he inherited an established list and culture. The same way Chris Scott did. Chris Scott's 2022 flag was way more impressive than his first because he actually built that team rather than taking on from another coach. Do you not understand this? Mitchel is building a club up from rock bottom, he inherited absolutely nothing

Warwick capper? Nick Watson just turned 19 and how many players do you see kick 9 goals in a game these days I watched Dunstal kick 17 in a game and locket 16 Doesn’t happen anymore

You sound sooooo salty. Rattled by a 19 year old.

@@nicegarry2880 yeah, nah. just a total cringe nickname for a guy that has goal kicking yips.

@@MrMooremelodyit’s his first year and he is dynamic How many goals does he have to kick next year for u to eat your words?

@@Johny-jy5vo let's start with kicking more goals than behinds before calling himself a wizard or sharp shooter. it's embarrassing.

They told him his spot wasn’t his anymore and suggested he looked somewhere else

Off field issue

​@@haydenpeach6964sounds like they got rid of him lol

​@MrOhhZulu it was off field issues absolutely, he's a great player but better off at hawthorne

@@sonjakozman1699 agreed and I’m a religious pies man, happy too see him playing well

All clubs have made that blunder at some point or another. If only they had a crystal ball, but they didn't.

every game he has been great and when he was out we lost!!!

what have you been smoking, fan opinion does not and shouldn't have anything to do with recruiting decisions.

They don’t listen to fans and they shouldn’t. That’s not how clubs work or should work.

yes lots of tears, if only we had somewhere to put them, like a big cup..................

Not the point they were making champion

@@nicegarry2880 yes it was, they're comparing ginnivan to green and jay when he's a depth player for the pies. They then talk about the trades like pies have any bargaining power when they're offloading ginnivan then pretend they hadn't talked up the trades last year really 2 faced of hutch to call it arrogant

Im a hawk and to be honest ginni wanted to go to hawks in that mid season draft but pies got him at there own peril! And bring in shultz with bobby hill was going to push ginni out to be fair! And ginni new that at that time! So pies did think 26 year old shultz was a better player than ginni all last year! So no they didnt want to trade him but left it to ginni! So they did push him out! It was not an arrogant trade but it was a big mistake! They should of clearly seen ginni is very young and has talent to a 26 year old with an ageing list and kept him and keep there first round pick! When your list is old you have to be very careful trading high picks and see talent when its right in front of you! Pies failed with both! They gave first round pick on a 25 year old with an old list and gave away quality talented youth! There the facts! But i believe even if pies did not get shultz and give ginni a top comtract he still wanted to go to hawks and maybe they new that mid season so went for shultz! But we will never no if ginni was offered a big contract from pies and still left! Big mistake from pies and we swaped 2nd round picks so pies paid hawks for ginni! But not arroagnce just a big mistake! It happens to all clubs! But ginni kicking 40 plus in 2nd year pies should of known he has alot of growth to go only 19 years of age for a 26 year old good player and gave hawks a top pick and gave a 1st rnd pick to freo! A bit sloppy from pies young talent always gets better and they should of known that! All the best glenn

@@glennwalker2996 you're bringing in a 26 year old player who's going to improve your chances of competing for a premiership every day of the week when you're in the window. Pies aren't getting the best out of the trade due to injuries killing our season. but with cat b recruits mid season draught and now NGA for round 1 picks and a F/S puck next it's not as big of a deal as they're making it out to be.

@@hipsterrob3591 your no longer in the wimdow its over! All your stars are well over 30 you think your going to replace say 5 stars by trades next couple of years?? Cmon mate your smarter than that! Same with cats they have 7 of there very best well over 30 are they going to replace 7 stars with star trades over next couple of years?? With were pies are sitting now you think stars will want to come end of year??? No chance!! When your up including myself when hawks won 2015 yeah we will just get trades and replace 7 of our best but it dont work that way! And you have tassie coming in get all the top draft picks and pies cats tigers dees lions will all fall and fall hard! And have limited access to young talent! Hawks have 13 players under 23! Hawks have proven for 60 years cups every decade how its done and in 2 years with big trades a powerhouse yet again! With 12 kids running round how good will they be in 2 years! And trust me the very best will all want to come to hawks to win multible cups! We will get huge trades next 2 years! We have proven it for 60 years! So if you think your in the window now and will replace 5 or so of your very best next few years your deluded! Sorry pies made HUGE mistake getting shultz for a first round pick and giving us your second round pick! Its as simple as that! The key in noing were your team is at and swiftly going to rebuild! You name me a club that has stayed up the top forever?? NONE NOT 1! What goes up comes down! Pies need to be smart now or you will hit rock bottom and stay there for a long time! All the best mate to your pies!

Port have got Chad Cornes as forwards coach 😂😂😂

@@imalwaysright he obviously hasn't taught them how to kick straight yet. Although the weekend was a bit better but nothing you would bet on

People argue Kane only says radical things to get click or views, now you're saying he only says things that are on a bandwagon? Make up your mind.

@@vigour6786 Thats the point, he has no values. The most negative take, whether sensational or obvious, will be his take (unless it's towards Port or Ken Hinkley).

@@jackwaite4035 Have you ignored all the negative commentary that he has had towards port, especially this season? The problem with people who don’t like Kane is that they can’t seperate the comments from the person. Criticism is allowed unless it’s from someone you don’t like.

People hate on Kane because of what he's said about their club or a player at some point or another. Truth hurts.

@@stavio12 Yep spot on.

His a goose like his father and brother. All of them are a bunch of fake frauds

Well he proved you wrong mate.

Still nowhere mate win a flag

@@markuswilmes3694 trying to mate.

6 months is a looong time in football. 3 x AA is the past, if you keep dwelling in the past the club will never move on. Every one has an expiry date unfortunately, especially in professional sports. Trust me, the team I barrack for is living in the past, 3/4 of the team should be traded or delisted, some won AA's in the past not the same players anymore but the club is hanging on. Don't think I will be seeing success anytime soon.

@@stavio12 spot on, people who bring up the past to excuse poor form or any criticism make me laugh. It’s a physical sport in an industry that moves fast, if you can’t perform and keep up to the level that is required of you then anything you’ve done in the past won’t save you.

@@vigour6786 True mate. We love our players but the club is bigger than any player. Players come and go, some leave a lasting legacy but the club will always be there.

Nepotism

They traded him out and old out of form small forwards in to replace him.. They have no first round pick and no young talent minus daicos

@@Tosicc567what’s your point? Still have this 🏆😂

@@Scottyluv85 Yeah and they expected to go back to back. They traded out players and picks to go deep this year, got it wrong and might be paying for that mistake for years. Keep coping, the only relevant thing now is the current team and current form. If you have to go off a previous years performance to make yourself feel better be my guest lol

​@@Tosicc567schulz actually had a great year last year and is only 27. Gin just did a lot of dumb stuff like going out to the races before the GF.

Father son in the top 10​@@Tosicc567

Now he’s a gun tho

@@brandonrogers6650 He was always a gun, had a poor 2nd season - which Kane trashed him every week about - now going well under Sam. He's learned some tough lessons since last year, and Sam is not the type of coach who tolerates foolishness.

Wrong, you have awful comprehension skills, he said Ginni can carry on like that if he stays consistent in his form, which he has at Hawthorn and didn’t at Collingwood - not that hard to grasp buddy

Kane is a flog He's gone queit on longhair & bevo I am a hawk.supporter & collingwood have done we ll despite an injury riddled season Like richmond & Even st kikda Swans get a couple of injuries lose & the commentators blame injuries

Kane did die his hair bright blonde to respect gin a couple of years ago but then gin started doing plenty of dumb stuff. Going out grand final night is crazy. His discipline was not good

Had many many chances

Agreed, under any other coach, Oleg Markov would have been dropped a long time ago and kept out the side

@@TheLaughingMagpie I don't think they have anyone else available, and the entire backline is a mess.

@@imalwaysright true, but I’d certainly have Tew Jiath and Harry DeMattia over Markov

Oliver is 27 Ginnivan is 21. Oliver is also on a multi year multi million dollar contract which given hawthorns financial hand coming to the next trade period, they got Ginnivan for peanuts. Very very different players.

Oliver is 27 and isn’t playing well. Ginnivan was 20 and playing decent. He also isn’t signed to a massive contact on big money

@@hinksyt2907 some people like the words they say too much that they don’t think about what they’re saying, I laughed at all the comments I saw comparing Oliver to ginnivan.

Ginnivan deserved the criticism he got back then, ducking tackles to draw high frees, on field and off field antics. Just because someone is seen more positively now doesnt mean the criticism wasn't there in the past. Next

Lets see who freo get with pick 5.. could get worse

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

As a Hawthorn supporter who wanted Brisbane to win, Collingwood were by far the better side.

Nuffies of RU-vid 😂😂

Pies had more winners on the day. Deserved to win

How many goals did the crowd kick again?

His whole family and he are lifelong Collingwood fans and he just won a flag at the Pies, but HE left?

@@epektasis242 spot on, you put a foot into a sock, you dont try to squeeze it into a glove.

@@epektasis242 Fly's game plan brought us a premiership in 2 years from being a rabble. It's perfectly fine, the idea that this team could back that up was laughable, he will hang tough with what he's doing because how good would he be if he didn't. Jack is a very good player, better than anyone wants to accept and is flourishing at the Hawks, good on him. No one has lost from that trade deal because Lachie is a bloody good player as well. The Swans got smashed 20 months ago and look at them now.

@@paulkyriakopoulos3444 your colliwobbles got bummed lmaoooooooooo 100% lololololololololololooololololol LLLLLLLL

​@@ReplordJimmyòh yeah you still can't sleep and COPE with Collingwood winning a premiership dude. LETS see if your overrated team can win the premiership this season lololololol 😊😄😁😎

Cocaine kid will definitely do better at hawks.

Kicking and coaching are two different things

that's his MO. Come up with new obnoxious hot takes, so you forget all the wrong/ridiculous ones.

Smashed him for what? Carrying on like a tool on the field? No it couldn't have been that.... maybe it was him playing for free kicks and drawing high tackles? Hmmm no it couldn't have been that either. Going out the night of the GF.... hmmm no that probably has nothing to do with what Kane was talking about either. Please can you remind me and everyone else what was Kane "smashing Ginni" for, as you put it? If you're going to lead with a statement like that at least give examples because everything you said after becomes null.

@@imalwaysright What's the hot take and what was the ridiculous take he had on Ginnivan? I assume you won't reply with anything of substance like you did the last time I called you out, you criticise Kane for his view but at least he backs it up with examples and articulates what he means, you just say blanket statements with no credibility or substance. Next

@@vigour6786 Kane: Bevo. SACK HIM! Simmo. SACK! Yze. SACK! Nicks. SACK! Every other coach. SACK! Also Kane: "Well, Hinkley will decide when the time is right". Hinkley hasn't reached a GF in 200 years, yet Simmo, Bevo and even Yze have premiership trophies Kane: [insert any player] TERRIBLE! Kane on JHF: "it's everyone else's fault he had zero touches for a half and he gave away penalties"

@@imalwaysright You said a lot of words, but none were true. He’s always been critical of Bevo because he has underperformed with the list he’s managing, some of the top players in the team yet they have struggled to even be a top 4 team let alone top 8. Kane has never said to sack Yze, he called him a cheerleader and said he won’t be coaching much longer if he doesn’t stand for anything and demand more from his players, this is far from calling for him to be sacked, so you’re wrong 2 out of 2 times now. Nicks hasn’t played finals in 7 years and their performances year over year haven’t increased like the teams in the same boat as them, freo, dogs, Hawthorne, of course he’s going to say it’s time to move a coach on if there’s little to no improvement in a team that is expected to play finals at least. 3 out of 3 times you’re wrong. Simmo won back in 2018 and bevo won back in 2016. If you’re a footy club that lives in the past, that’s where you’ll stay, simmo had what like 3 wins out of 90 odd games or so, you think that’s acceptable because he won a flag back in 2018? If your answer is yes then I can understand why you’ll never be involved with a football club. Bevo won back in 2018 taking over a list that was primed and ready, this isn’t to take away from the accomplishment but he had a lot of good going for him and the club at the time, now we live in the present and him and his list are outside the top 8 but have one of the strongest lists in the comp. 4 out of 4 times you’re once again proven wrong when you look at the facts. Yze has never won a premiership as a coach in AFL 5 out of 5 times you’re wrong. Kane as said that he doesn’t see Ken coaching next year if they don’t at least make a QF or GF. I like the way you left out the players name you said he was calling terrible, these aren’t real quotes and if you’d actually pull one up to compare to his comments about JHF you’d be made to look foolish once again. He said JHF let HIS club down, he never put the blame on anyone else but merely said that the captain of the club should be pulling players in when they have this attitude, these two aren’t mutually exclusive. 6 out of 6 times you’ve been proven wrong. Time to change your name.

Found the pies fan

That is the most ridiculous comment I've ever read and I'm not even a Collingwood supporter. Let me break 'luckiest and weakest' down. You need a bit of luck to win a premiership, yes every team does. With injuries, right selection, Maynard getting off is luck. Weakest - I'm baffled by that. How is someone that is weak wins, not just close games throughout the year but the Holy Grail. You associate weakness with bottom 6 of the ladder not 1st or runners up.

@@dilanabey people who dont know footy always talk about luck being the reason you finished on top and won a premiership. Such a donkey