Even within Mutasawwuf circles and Tasawwuf literature, the Qalandariyya order is at best almost forgotten, at worst declared heretical and, overall, holds a very obscure place. So I’m kinda surprised to see this video on this channel and really excited to watch it. Thank you, since this video might be the most comprehensive work on the Qalandariyya on the entirety of RU-vid.
@@Ser3456 yes, that’s true and interesting actually that the Qalandariyya, although almost entirely forgotten by the Turkish collective consciousness, still lives on in everyday language in expressions like “kalender” or “kalender meşrep” for a generous and unpretentious person.
@@smavi4133 I am not very sure about “Kalenderler”, but, “I think there are still some “Melami” organisations. However, one would probably question how authentic they really are.
The Holy fool is a fascinating concept. In Greek Orthodoxy there has been holy men who were " fools for christ " were they gave the impression at times to not really knowing what's going on when they actually do. I remember reading about a monk from Georgia who always played dumb to certain things, especially when woman were embarrassed or ashamed about something they done. He would pretend to be oblivious to it when really he was just making them feel better.
Yes! That might've been St. Gabriel Urgebadze the Fool for Christ/of Georgia. For those interested in learning more about Fools for Christ, other examples include St. Andrew the Fool for Christ, St. Xenia of St. Petersburg, and St. Nicholas the Pilgrim among other Saints in the Orthodox Church.
@@gldistrict Yes, that's exactly who it is, St Gabriel. It became apparent to all when he knew he didn't have long left to live that the fool persona had been an intentional bluff to make people feel at ease as he became extremely serious when readying himself to stand before God. I can't remember the exact story but it involved him giving flowers to a young girl to cheer her up .I would love to visit Georgia to see some of the relics they have at his church .
THERE Is ONLY one religión. CHRISTIANITY. GOD. TOLD satán he would SEND a REDEEMER. THIS Is WHEN. CHRISTIANITY really STARTED..Jesús WAS sent to clarify. GODS Will .
@@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1
@@markjapan4062 @markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1
@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1
@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1
I can well imagine this movement as a disappointed reaction to an extremely righteous society that seems to be blind to its own ego. After ten years as a preacher in a Salafi mosque, due to great disappointment, I fell into drugs, grew dreads and almost tattooed nonconform onto my fingers without losing my deep personal connection to Islam. I always spoke of hope and faith among the lower class and addicts and also found my way back to a drug-free life, but for many people who previously heard my sermons, I am a renegade hypocrite. For me, this phase led to more compassion and honesty. But I think such paths are strongly related to one's own personality and the respective needs of the ego. Thanks for the info, I felt a kindred spirit.
AlhamdolilAllah that you found your way to a drug -free life. I also found the Salafi approach completely oblivious to any sense of balance, almost concealing half of the Prophetic Example , how to strive for true sincerity with God and inner purification. Not claiming to have achieved these things, but working on it day by day. May Allah guide us all. Wa alaikum salaam.
Why did you specify “Salafi” mosque though? I’m genuinely curious, it’s not an attempt a gotcha question or anything. I just find it weird lots of people essentially use that as a slur when most so called “salifis” just strive to do what the name suggest; reject modern innovations and practice no differently than it those 1400 years ago. I don’t see why so many people have a problem with that and come up with labels like “Salafi” which just further divide the ummah.
There's a story about a wandering Qalandar/Kalendar who meets Baha'adin Naqshband and his students. Baha'adin greets him and asks him normal questions like; who are you, what's your name, where are you from, where are you going? And the Kalendar always answered, "I have no idea". Baha'adin's students felt the Kalendar has disrespected their master, and when the Kalendar left, Baha'adin scolds his students for judging the man, as he was demonstrating theeir ignorance. This story is from a book, and it's purpose is for the reader to contemplate it's base level and it's deeper meanings in a zen-like way.
This is truly a new insight into medieval Islam practices for me.. had no idea a group of people actually think of not looking pious to that extreme, even though it's kinda clear to me now everything has always been for God and never for the eyes of others I did have these thoughts before, not wanting to grow my beard and dress 'modestly' in fear of others seeing me as only trying to 'look' Islamic, but as I learned more about it the more I accepted it all to be only for God and God only and try not to care at all about how others think about how I look I wonder if any other Muslim brothers here went through the same thought process
Yes this concept is related to the sin of Riya (showing off) which is considered minor shirk so yes as a Muslim one must be wary off doing acts for praise of men rather than for Allah that’s why it’s better to keep good deeds secret
JESUS SAID SATAN WOULD APPEAR AS AN ANGEL AND DECIEVE MANY THESE ARE MUSLIMS. ONLY GOD HIMSELF CALLS PROPHETS HE. SENDS NO ONE AND PUT THEM UNDER JESÚS AUTHOURITY. GID NEVER NEEDED OR CALLEDOHAMMED. I JESUS AM. HEBREW. ABRAHAM HEBREW NOT MUSLIM
One of my favorite lines of poetry from Hafiz: "There are a thousand points of wisdom here, subtler than strands of hair/not every person who shaves their head knows the rituals of qalandars"
I would love it if you did an episode on Qawwali music. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is one of those rare figures that is beloved by Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus alike in South Asia, and he himself performed multiple Sikh Shabads and a Hindu-devotional style poem by Tufail Hoshiarpuri (Sanson ki Mala Pe). Qawwali is a form of Sufi devotional expression that’s transcended communal religious boundaries entirely with the personality of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, the Shahenshah-e-Qawwali Loved the video btw
Not to mention that there are also Qawwalis in praise of the Qalendariyyas themselves, the most famous of which is Lal Shahbaz. So, there is an interesting connection there.
In the Bektashi Tariqah there have been in the past many Qalandar dervishes grate video please consider doing a video on the Bektashis, again thank you for your informative videos
Thank you Mr.Phillip for an enlightening presentation on the Qalandariyya; I appreciate having this mysterious area clarified. Your video uploads to always present an unbiased neutral academic approach towards religion it's sects and sub sects is especially useful. The viewers may not know this, Mr, Phillip but I owe you a special vote of thanks for being here in RU-vid.
Hello Filip, I just wanted you to know that you’re doing a great service to mankind with these videos. In such a day and age where people barely find time to indulge in any research regarding their religious doubts/interests - your platform has provided a very balanced and unbiased understanding of many aspects of religion. God bless, and with that being said. I would look forward for you to make videos on the following topics in the coming future. - Ahmadiyya Movement - Nation of Islam - Alevis/Bekhtashi Order - Deobandi/Bralevis - Takfir - Doctrine
@@SSKKK1111ramadan Is not real. Fasting. No food AT night EITHER YOU breaks YOUR fast. AND ITS copycatting real HEBREW PROPHETS ISLAM Is satán. JESUS SAID SO
@@Siamak-l8j @111tedward Eerie and heartbreaking. Greater Israel completely surrounded by failed nations - GCC, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Egypt and North Africa. Isreal is now a proxy of NATO. Congratulations. WW3 is a long war.
It would be nice to have an episode here and there about certain groups of Muslims who were at odds with the wider orthodoxies in their times or even today, like this group and other groups of Sufis compared to mainstream/orthodox Sufism, groups within Sunni Islam that were at odds with Sunni orthodoxy, and also groups within Shia Islam that were at odds with the forms of Shia doctrines and theologies as well, like the Alawites are at times considered.
@@yomom4281 they are coming close to orthodox Shia alots of work has been done in past 1-2decades due to Sunni terorism the whole world witnesses specially in Syria ....
thanks a lot for featuring this tariqat I'm very interested in them and their way of living. Their way of life and approach to certain substances and spiritual practices fascinates me. Great content as always and I can't wait for a video about Bektashi order because they are fascinating as well. In terms of historical aspects they were oppressed by the state for centuries in anatolia and survived until today but mostly lost their praxis -especially the new generation-, here is a wide space to make political arguments on their historical and contemporary existence.
What a great video, bravo! As u mentioned, my introduction to the Qalandariyya was through the song Mast Qalandar, but Sami Yusuf’s rendition of it, which was amazing
Your channel is much more about actually trying to understand the origins and psychological teachings of each religion as opposed to the “religion for breakfast” channel which takes the very typical American western examination of simply a history of the religion. Very academic with no isn’t at all into the actual psychological tracing which are at the core of each religion. Let’s talk religion has an academic aspect but is much better at the deep dive into what the religion is about psychologically, and you do it with respect. Great job.
Many thanks for this video which helps to better understand the history and various currents of the Islamic culture. I have watched many channels on this topic so far, and I find that yours is among the most reliable. Have a great day.
Ibn Battuta's Travel book has an account about this group and he wrote about the origin of the group shaving all of their hair. It was an act done by the founder to avoid a woman from committing zina with him after she trapped him in her house.
Couldn't get it on even when the woman invited you in because that's just Haram as all unholy, so just shave all your hair. I can't believe there's a logical reason to that.
@@ozenthelewdable5427 OP didn’t give full explanation, but i’m pretty sure he was a handsome fella, and she repeatedly tried to advance to him until she tricked him to get into her house, he responded by removing his hair, losing a bit of beauty
They are Shias as far as I know but no one even Shias know much about them. I must say Europe or at-least Southern European were heavily engaged with Islam.
@@ChefbyMistake yep I've been shia since birth and never heard a single word in my community about bektashis or alevis until I read about them online. they're definitely outside of the mainsteam shia radar
@@ChefbyMistakeYour false, they are not shias, its on of many sufi tariqats, which was part of the ottoman empire. For example the Elite Ottoman Warriors the Jannisaries are also follower of the Bektashis.
Bektashis are often mentioned in connection with Qalandariyya, Malamatiyya, etc. Hacı Bektas-i Veli was from Khorasan himself. Khorasan = West Turkestan ; Sinkiang/Xinjiang = East Turkestan. Edit : I posted this comment while watching the video closer to the beginning, where there was no mention of the Bektashis, then I saw that you did mention them in the later part of your video. Good job : & props to you for the icon of Christ the Pantocrator on your bookshelf! Looks like one of my very own in my personal library!
I am a Punjabi from Pakistan[Indian subcontinent] and my Maternal clan came to Islam from being pagans and a huge portion of them became qalandars and they still exist as monkey keeping wanderers
This is exactly what I was thinking. This is an attempt to continue their own pagan, or Mystic practices and still be working the folds of the forced Islamic religion
@stephen9906 to assume "forced" islamic religion is not very wise and a bit islamophobic as my great great grandfather accepted islam out of his own choice and the wandering portion of my mum's clan too accepted islam at the hand of a dervish [wandering holyman] not someone who could "force" the pagan tribals at all.[they were militant and were composed of bandit like groups who ultimately founded their kingdom which fell after india became a country and old principalities were abandoned.
This is striking in how it reminds me of similar religious movements in the Indo-European sphere, where you reach the sacred by doing things that are viewed as taboo. India have its shivite ascetics called Sathus, for example, who cover themselves in the ashes of funeral pyres and eat corpse pieces among other things, precisely because it breaks with what is accepted in society. Going further back in history, there were (according to what have been found out so far) also the "wild youths" who as part of their development were sent away in groups from their homes and out into the wild, where they like wild animals were to survive on their own and ritualistically eat the flesh of dogs and wolves, a meat otherwise viewed as unacceptable for human food.
If you deviate from what God has commanded you then that's not reaching anything but the pits of hell. God possess all knowledge and is Most Wise. What he commands is best for us. For us to create our own thing thinking this is the right way is the definition of a person who has let his desires and ego get the best of him. Follow God's way not made up human ways.
@@alphauno6614 Thank you, but religious propaganda does not interest me. If you had a philosophical or historical point to make, that would be a different matter.
@@alphauno6614 Considering that your point was that the only right thing for the reader is to embrace your deity and religion, how can it be anything but religious propaganda? It is certainly not a scientific or neutral position and not even an argument was presented.
@@torbjornlekberg7756 I see where the misunderstanding is. You don't know the definition of propaganda. It would really help if you looked up the words you were using so you can accurately convey your intended message.
@@tasinahmed601 There is acceptable Biddah and unacceptable Biddah. For example 'biddah' of Umar (r.a) instituting 20 rakat tarawih was accepted by the righteous Sahabah en mass and thus accepted in Islam. Please be nuanced in your discussion to avoid spreading misinformation.
Sufis are a very wide group of Muslims of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah. Some went tooo far such as this group whilst others stayed within Islam. However Sufis are Muslims nonetheless, the ones who don't commit shirk or Kufr,
Great video on a very overlooked group. Had to study and read about these guys for my thesis. Glad to see that there is now a concise video on RU-vid for people to learn about these unruly friends of God.
A big thank you for your erudite and insightful talks. I am new to your channels just this weekend, and I am enjoying your stimulating guides and perspectives towards music, religious concepts and cultural practices. Geoff, UK.
15:43 As I pour a glass of wine..Commenting before reading any comments, half way through. I think of my spiritual path, how ascetic I can be. Living 'monastically' has come up in a few recent conversations. I love learning about Islam. ☪ I often feel that I am a Conscious Hedonist, definitely following a sensual spiritual path. Thank you Philip, spawning much contemplation. 🙏🏼
Mr. Holm, I've followed your works closely for the past 3 years, and I must say, at this point I refer to your research as a source of information, even though I am Syrian and reside in Syria. P.S I like how most of your sufisim-subject videos have slightly different outro.
Loved it. Can you review Dr Allama iqbal Ideology. He could be the best person for your documentary especially as a Modern Sufi. And He was Sufi and influenced by Qalandaria Ideology.
Love your videos, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm about sharing knowledge! I wonder have you ever think about making videos regarding Anatolian alevism and bektashi order. They have their own really interesting stories and also have some similar patterns regarding alcohol. For example there are some anecdotes like during in ottoman reign when alcohol is legally forbidden a bektashi dervish has been arrested because of making wine. Then he has been taking to the court, when they ask about why did you do that he said i just put smashed grapes and water if god wants to make it vinegar it become as it or if god make it wine it become wine you cannot mess with gods business… Even in that culture has some religious poetry and hymns about including alcohol themes. For example Neyzen Tevfik’s and other bektashis poetry…
@@LetsTalkReligion Yes therefore in the Persian literature sometimes the word " Xaod " is used which means auto / self / deep essence of self awareness to render " Nafs " .
Psych is the closest translation. Actually the Nefs is the conscious part of the whole self. If consciousus is in the realm of physical body then the Nafs is more like ego And if the consious is more holly then the nefs is نفس مطمئنة Then it is closer to “soul”
Maybe you could add a second episode describing the Qalandariyya as it was enacted and spread from the 13th century onwards in what is today Sindh, Pakistan, until to the present day. The shrine of Lal Shabaz Qalandar, "the Red Sufi", in Shewan Sharif is today the most frequented Sufi shrine in the whole of Pakistan. And the Red Sufi himself is considered a decisive figure in the spread of the Qalandariyya eastwards. It is also interesting because it is said that he was also a devotee of Lord Shiva and even today, certain functions concerning his shrine are still held by Hindu families. Not to mention that his shrine is frequented by adherents of different religions which is nothing exceptional in South Asia generally. Thus, "syncretism" between Hinduism and Islam is something which has a tradition spanning multiple centuries in this region and certain figures of the Qalandariyya, noteably Lal Shabaz himself, had been decisive in this regard. The German anthropologist and Islam scholar Jürgen Frembgen has been publishing on the Malatiyya, Qalandariyaa and other antinomian darvish groups in contemporary Pakistan for more than a dozen of years.
Another wonder episode. I would love more than anything to see videos where you locate and speak with living sufi Shaykhs and Shaykhas in places like Turkey, Algeria, Morocco, India, Kashmir etc. So that we may come to know them.
Woke today thinking of Diogenes of sinope. Read the Rumi poem " candle at noon ". Now this video. Seems strange 4 short years ago, the grip of fear was loosed on the peeps via shutdown. Know acception. Peace..
Bektaşi order was very important in the Ottoman military and later, because of their deep roots in the military, they affected the Ottoman politics. They were pashas, policy and law makers, and probably the minds of the many massacres that happened in the early modern Ottoman. However, their importance can be seen in many stories (specifically the funny ones) that are still being told here in Turkey generation to generation. In those one-liners, the joke is on the 'blamers' who generally criticize the Bektaşi dervishes. Of course, at the end, the dervish always says his wisdom in an absurd joke and win the day :D Even though people don't talk about the philosophical and religious bases of Bektaşi order and Qalandari (also most people just don't know), I think they associate the dervishes with the subversive nature of the wisdom. Anyway, that's a great video as always, I try to learn more about mysticism in Islam and you are my go to lecturer.
There were many, MANY muslims who drank wine. In Persian poems ranging from epic genre(shahnameh) to erfan(mysticism) there are countless mentiones of wine and getting drunk( i'd like to add that there was a specific wine called "meyboxtaj" that was halal to drink by some)
There’s a section from Abdul-Qadr Al-Jilani “Secret of Secrets” called ‘On the followers of the mystical path’ where he criticizes various Sufi groups that practice antinomian behavior. Always wanted to learn more, and this video finally connected some of those dots. Great work, as always !
Not sure it's the right niche but if anyone's interested in Medieval Islam and history of Traditional religion I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos series
@@Kellshamsaldiin from what little I've seen, also, not enough sourcing as well. Would be the realm of investigating more if he didn't cite Wikimedia as an image source ;-; I think the idea could be interesting, it's just the execution and the near daily upload rate is . . . enough of a warning sign than it is, ignoring that video's existence.
@@SmoothTeaNB I’m pretty familiar with right wing RU-vid and Schwerpunkt’s videos are somewhat of a think tank for some of them. He and his audience essentially view themselves as Traditional Catholic Imperialists. Just Go and read the comments on the videos. It’s a bunch of self-congratulatory remarks about how they “can’t” recommend his videos to others because the general population isn’t intelligent enough to understand it haha.
Thank you for the wonderful video. I can only imagine the kind of effort going into each of these videos. Sincere request to take a hit at the history of the Sindhi community. ❤
In this will to evade social norms in order to reach a higher level of asceticism, I can't stop but think about the Aghoris of India, and I wonder if there are links between the two or if it's just a more common and natural step taken by most mystics throughout cultures and time periods. As always, thanks for this great video, I'll make sure to share it around me !
Sufism is something that came out side of islam, it was introduce by convert of buddism and hunduism...so yeh Sufism started when the some Buddhist practice started to get in to Islam during the Abbasid empire becasue during that time one Buddhist noble family fron Afghanistan are very influential in the court of Baghdad. They introduce all these aesthetic practice....
I have always felt that historical mystics such as Hallaj and Suhrawardi, judged heretical by their less enlightened contemporaries, must have had some connection to Malamati practices to the extreme point of forcing other Sufi luminaries such as Junaid Baghdadi to have to rule against them in Shariah court. The passion of Christ is also typical of Malamati techniques in that Jesus publicly contravened current religious law making himself a target for Blame. These incredible souls sacrificed their lives for the enlightenment of others. Obviously, the technique predates Islamic Sufism as do other kinds of Ascetism and Self Denial. Other more contemporary "mystics" like Crowley also took (perhaps too far) these blameworthy transgressions as tools for achieving altered states of consciousness.
Qalandariya thought lives on in Pakistan as part of mainstream sufism. One of the most popular music shows in the country for example did a cover of an ode to the Saint Shahbaz Qalandar. Turn on captions in English to understand the ode. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eoz9gr9QYes.html&si=wGUujK8gW9pLWQBx Side note: the Saint is revered by local Hindus as well and his shrine was attacked by ISIS in 2017.
Awesome video. I was initiated into the Chistiya branch of Sufism in the mid 1990s. Best step of my development as a very young man at that time. PIR Hazrat Inayat Khan .....A Pearl in Wine❤
I am very interested in this particular order.. I started exploring it as the beliefs mirror my own... I was surprised much later to learn my father had privately following Chishti and our ancestors were early followers too.. really wild as I always believed we had an Orthodox heritage.
Such sects in almost all religions are revolt against the orthodox religiosity. Revolt against the laws of state just to live a true life of freedom. Its mysticism which creates a connection between the True Lord of lords and a seeker. Its sufism\myticism which imparts the lesson of true co existance among the humans beyond religion cast creed or colour. Love Love and only love.❤ Thanks for this video.
Wine , love , music, the core themes of almost all Iranic ( Persian ) poets which has been debated as to whether the mysticism was used to justify those themes cherished by all normal civilised human beings or else; those themes were used as metaphoric symbols to convey mystical teachings?
''' ....all normal civilized people.....'' How funny when the misguided" dhalleen'' become the Norm and more over '' civilized ''.....the Human Anatomy naturally rejectes alcohol as intoxicant. Yet a misguided minority acquired the taste for wine and beer....that minority somehow took over in leading Hence making drinking a normative....excess of alcohol consumption affects body and senses making it one of the biggest issue of the " civilized" ones.
Very v interesting. Please also do more into the lal cheeb's char yar ( the 4 dervish friends of medieval punjab ) pakistan. & Pir bulleh shah. & Sheikh Farid of ganj shaker near Lahore. In summary - The Fana became the living dead in order to kill their ego & in the hope of inviting the invisible lord to be closer to them. I rarely watch video 4 more than 4 minutes. Well done you got Me to watch to the end.
I cannot wait you also cover Bektashism. But don't forget to read Thomas Mcelwain's when you cover Bektashism, not just the Babagan and the Alevis. I shall watch and comment further this one.. yeah!!!
real alevism and bektashism is sum of Turkish culture and islam altogether , its not something to learn from Thomas or west but from Haji bektashi veli , Ahmet yesevi , Yunus Emre , its to be found in the heart of Turkish culture and their way of understanding islam
@@hefzibahgayatriwedotami well all i see is that you are the only ignorant here , you try to talk about Turkish culture oriented one sact without mentioning nothing of Turks , origin of bektashi and sufism occured in ottoman era by Turks and Turkish sufis , that is mix of culture of Turks - ancient religions of Turks , rituals of Turks with the combination of İslam - learn about the root of Bektashi sact and alevite , you cannot mention anything about these without mentioning Turks in it , you didnt read nothing of these people who created the sact but you read someone from west who says he is from bektashi ancestry ? educate your self , you dont even know your own sact have you read any book owned by these people Haji bektashi veli , Ahmet yesevi , Yunus Emre ? i guess no
@@kursad4965 lol. When I said to this channel that when he does research on Bektashism don't forget to also include Thomas Mcelwain's works that's based on academic interest and it doesn't mean not to read others. You are attacking me for what? For mentioning Thomas Mcelwain? Is this the way our Bektaş Veli teach? I call you ignorant because you attack our murshid Sheikh Ali Haydar Thomas Mcelwain as if he doesn't belong to Bektashi. His opponents like to attack him just because he was born in USA but he wrote THE BELOVED AND I, preserving the Alevic and Turkish hymn tradition. Of course as a murshid I read all the books given by my murshid on Ahmed Yasevi, Yunus Emre, Tapduk Emre, and so on. I have icon on Yunus Emre at my room. Even if I don't speak Turkish. Because Sayyid Bektaş Veli himself teach One Humanity and not to make discrimination on people based on race, gender, nation, etc. And now what you did to me?
Hi Filip, I propose to you to research about khaksariya the now a day descendants of ghalandars in Iran and India. and also safavi sufi order like bektashis had ghalandari aspects. also there are similarities between bektashiya, khaksariya, Yarsans (Ahle Hagh) and old persian traditions like zoroastrianism and mithraism.
@@SSKKK1111 Makes sense, considering that they used alcohol and taverns as a metaphor for a lot of the emotions they felt to their faith. I'm finding them exceptionally interesting.
@@MrNeosantana Exactly, you can find its zenith in Hafiz poetry. Also A lot of people confuse this with Sufism. It influences Sufism in a way. however, its against pacifism and hermitism in nature
a much sought out topic. thanks! but still i'm a little upset of the fact that you didn't mention shahbaz qalandar (sehwan). also poetry but i guess you might not be familiar with the reverance that these Qalandari faqeers have around river indus and larger subcontinent. i'd request you to see through the life of jhoolay lal and deliver us a true gem
