RelentlessBR An SSD has two cables just like a hard drive. Sata cable and a Sata power cable. It was the wrong sata power cable for the PSU which meant the wrong voltages were going to the SSD which killed it
Over a few years the liquid will permiate through the tubes and possibly even other areas. Manufacturing variance is also a factor. So while you may not need to service the CLC straight away, it might come in handy down the line, or save you some hassle if you got a bad batch from the factory with too little liquid in it. In general it's a nice, no downsides addition they've added which may give you more life out of your CLC. Can't complain.
The flow indicator turning slowly is actually a good feature, that way we can actually see the indicator spinning and know that the liquid flow might be obstructed when the speed changes, vs having the indicator spinning like crazy whether the liquid flow is good or not.
@@NoBodysGamer yep still silly that there is 2 standards using same connector (they could've at least Keyed it so you cant plug in the incorrect one, like the Audio or HD header is) as it is right now its the same header and some don't even state the voltage on them, as he said the first page should of stated the voltage of the RGB and not to plug it into the 12v header
@@leexgx I agree... it needs to be more standardized and keyed, because I'd probably do the same thing if I was building a PC now, which I might... Back in 2004 when I built my first PC it was way easier. All you did was put parts where they went and plugged them into the motherboard, and you were guaranteed not to fry anything, as It would have had to be already dead... would love to do a few videos for RU-vid as well, but I need to learn more about the advances made since 2010, before I do... The Jayztwocents channel has been very helpful in that regard though
I actually did have an H100 years back that did evaporate the fluid to the point of being useless, so I can definitely appreciate the servicability of this.
Good work on the ad skit. I actually enjoyed watching it. That is a big compliment for you and something your sponsors can be happy about. Keep up the good work.
I still have the first AIO from Enermax. The Liqmax 120S, And it's never given me any problems what-so-ever. It's still full to the brim with fluid! Considering it's been running nearly 24/7 in my system(s) since 2013, I'd say Enermax at least deserves a shot if you're looking for an AIO.
JayzTwoCents I have an older AIO that actually requires maintenance because it evaporates, then requires to be refilled after 6 months. It's the Raijintek Triton, but as far as I know, they're not in production anymore. They had the transparent tubing and plexi block with a small reservoir/pump combo that's on the block itself.
Exactly... the usual failure for these is the pump or in some cases sealant working free and restricting flow. Been using AIOs for awhile now on my builds. Expect somewhere around 5 years on a gaming rig...
Since Zalman and Corsair have been making them... Whatever year that was. Had two Zalman pumps die on me. And one Corsair partially plug up and restrict flow when some of it's sealant worked free (common problem for that model according to the forums (H100i v2)).I tried NZXT once but returned the unit because it continued to draw power when the computer was shut off. The Zalmans lasted 4 and 5 years. The Corsair was near the end of its warrantee and was replaced with a new one. Right now there are 5 gaming computers running in my household using Corsair AIOs I've built for my family. And I have 2 additional Corsair AIOs sitting on the self for new builds. From what I've read the life expectancy on these pumps are typical to my experience. I hoping the new generation pump in the Corsair pro series that I'm using currently will have a longer life expectancy. Here's hoping...
Dude, the product placement was perfect! Seriously, building a new editing rig and the lack of drive bays is a major PITA, cooling and the sheer size taken up by the MB and parts... Well done Fractal for addressing it!
That's because it is! Raijintek at least say its designed in Germany and built in Taiwan. Enermax just say its "patented" but that doesn't mean it's necessarily THEIR patent as the Enermax unit is ALSO built in Taiwan. I wish jay would have taken a look at cooler masters new ML240R instead as I want to know if the new two chamber pump is better.
Mind you, I'm just north of the 49th... One week ago, the tulips were blooming, and at this point, the earth is already rather dry. We no longer have a spring. For the last few years, we've been going from winter to summer within the span of about a week.
Good choice in your new helper. I like him. He has personality. Also, the inline avoids a patent on having the pump on the CPU heat sink/heat exchanger.
I actually stopped watching all tech RU-vid for a while and am only just starting to get back in it but i have to say the jump in quality. The natural progression of your style is actually both refreshing and familiar. I love it best surprise to come back to be honest.
Btw Jay every water cooling system including closed AIO suffer from permeation over time, so over the years it can a serious deficiency of fluid in the AIO unit, which is btw the number cause of aio failure. So having a port to service is a great bonus fir the user
Jérôme Vuarand They were. He just either never ran one long enough, since he gets so much new stuff everyday. Or he just never opened it to check. But they will usually lose some coolant volume. When he said, "AIOs are normally maintenance free." He meant that you don't have the option of maintaining them, so you just have to throw them away.
I've had a Corsair H60 in service since I built my I7-3930k when they first shipped (So I guess end of 2011). I stress test it every now and then to check temps and I've never observed a change in the profile. My 3930k is even overlocked a little bit too and running hotter than stock. Tho from what I understand about these H60's this is a bit of a freak, by all rights it should be a solid block of nasty by now.
My corsair started making surkling sound, like it was air trapped in the loop and it started overheating So I changed AIO and temp dropped up to 40 degrees celsius
So, I've been using a Enermax Liqfusion 240 for a few years now. After seeing videos on Enermax diffusers clogging up, and the pump in the highest position. I became concerned. Yet in 2021, I have no problems with temps. I have actually bought a replacement AIO months ago. But it remains on the parts shelf. In full disclosure, I had to replace the fans fairly soon, as one of them started singing like Luciano Pavarotti. I love the flow indicator. And it fits my aesthetic. Otherwise, happy purchase.
Permeation is a real thing, all AIO's suffer from it to a degree. Now I'm not saying that all does it to a noticeable degree mind you, for the first couple of years. You have a lot of experience with custom loops, do you have to refill them once in a while? Yes? Having an option to refill and bleed it is really nice IMO.
Jay, I don't think this was designed "in house" as its just a copy of the Raijintek Orcus with Enermax branding. The fact they released their new RGB fans to the market and then later screwed over buyers by making the ones in this AIO addressable while the separate ones non addressable is kind of a big FU as well. EDIT: while this is a pretty unit, could you take a look at the new Cooler Master ML240R? It has a new two chamber pump which I'd like too see you test, plus its also RGB and at a budget.
My two rupee(indian currency) to jay would be to delid the 8700k and then test all of these Aio’s and custom loops, because there is no point of testing thermals of a cpu thats not transferring heat efficiently from the cpu die to the ihs. We saw similar results in the other video where you put 4x480 rads in a box and tested the thermals which got almost the same results.
I'm surprised so many people dont like the RGB. I have a secondary system using this cooler, a gigabyte z370 gaming and some rgb strips all in a rosewill cullinan (non mesh). Even bought the enermax tg rgb fans to match the ones on the cooler. The system looks aesthetically pleasing. Thats the beauty of RGB, you can have it configured anyway you want. You dont need to have it looking like a disco in your case. you can change the effects, brightness and speed of all rgb components. Everything syncs up beautifully for me. Only downside is the connector included for the rgb rings on the cooler uses a +5v,D, ,G 4 pin. Theres a space in the connector between D and G. My motherboard has the right connections but its a 3 pin, so no gap. Ended up having to use male to female jumpers to plug the pins to the corresponding pins of the board.
Arctic Liquid Feezer 240 (or 360!) Thicker rad, and push-pull setup out of the box! Second step with it, throw some better fans on it for a better push-pull setup and compare the results!
yea but I like it, it lets me see the water is pumping. I agree it could have more spin on it. I was thinking of putting this on my next build. My aging fx-8350 desperately needs upgrading. My poor 1080 twiddles its thumbs as it waits on my CPU. (Only reason I got a 1080 is because my friend got two 1080 TI's and sold this one to me 5 months ago for a crazy cheap price. I just refuse to pay for ram at these prices. By time ram drops I am sure all new generations of new CPUs will be out and I can get a good deal on the current gen high-end hardware that's out now.
OK I bought this with the 360 rad. I immediately drained it and replaced the rad with a Alphacool full copper rad. New fluid with PG and Biocide/water. I am thinking of buying the small EK All Aluminum set and upgrading its rad to the 360 from Enermax. The inline pump allowed Enermax to buypass the "pump on block" patent that Asetec holds. Eventually ALL AOI's permeate the hoses after a few years and run low on fluid and die jay. That is the #1 cause of death of AIO's. That is why its good to have a way to refill them.
5:05 Wong conclusion. You need to make sure that you read the whole thing before starting. I hope you have learn your lesson. You are never to old to learn!
I regrettably did the same exact thing with my LIQFUSION. Except that i didn't just fry the block's lights, i fried all but one set of lights on the fans too. Oops! I really didn't need them, so I haven't gotten the entire unit replaced because i don't like removing the water block. It works, that all I care about.
I just changed out the coolant in my H100i v2 and the block and radiator were full of little white crystals the size of grains of sand. I wish I had a refill port, would have made my life much easier.
I keep loving the intro used for this video! 😁👍🏻 I've been using Define cases since the R2 and I'd definitely get this one if I was in the market for a new case. The LIQFUSION isn't my thing though, personally I key to keep it simple. The flow indicator looks weird and I don't like the look of the separate rings for the lighting on the rad.
The reason for the pump is simply because they can't sell it in certain regions due to Asetek. CM had similar problem and so did Swiftech. Arctic Cooling put the pump on the fan.
I have had 2 sealed AIO's that I bought used that eventually had cooling problems due to evaporation. One was a CoolIT ECO A.L.C. 120, and another was a Corsair H100i. If i could have opened them easily and was able to top them off, I wouldn't have needed to buy new ones. But at the same time, its nice to get the upgraded units when the time comes.
Likely due to the clear top on the block, and the inherent build up or break down of the water / fluid in it, they expect folks will want to clean it and refresh it in time. I wish all of my AIO's had valves and or fill holes... It would make them all exponentially more useful.
i cant bealive how much confidence you have now! i remember seeing your vid from 2013 and you said that you didnt have confidence. look at you know! gj
I have had 2 coolers dry up on the inside , Corsair H240 and another system i cant recall with the pump on the fan ...fan is white ,small rad , like 90mm . Anyways i opened it up to find like a tad more than a dessertspoon of fluid ... refilled with distilled water and works fine .
That would actually be a really cool pump for SFF builds. no pump can fit in a A4-SFX, but with a pump like that and some clever maneuvering, it could work. just replace the 240mm radiator with a 92mm radiator and BAM, instant pc bliss with a built in flow indicator.
If it supports "anything but TR4", it is bound to run into some serious heat with some users, if the unit itself is reasonably capable for its tier. That means with time, there might very well be some Liquid loss due to permiation. If and when that happens to most other AIO coolers, that means clucking and then the trash can, as servicability is almost non-existant. With this guy, you can just top it off. Also, depending on orientation etc, you might in some cases need to bleed/burp any liquid loop, also closed ones that aren't filled under vacuum. Thrn that bleed/breather valve comes in handy. This stuff likely won't affect that many users. But for those few, this will be very much appreciated.
Hit the 280 and 360 AIOs with better addressable RGB compatible motherboards would be nice. Summertime it gets hot and with everyone rocking 6 cores and better cooling is a priority. Good job on demonstrated what not do with the LiqFusion model.
It's starting to get warmer here in Oregon. Not super warm. But warm enough that I've been opening windows and turning on my AC more often, as my apartment has been getting up to nearly 80F. Luckily, my PC has four case fans (one of them is pretty large and on the top of the case blowing out), an AIO, and my 1070 Ti uses a blower cooler that takes the warm air and spits it out the back.
Scythe SCNJ-4000 Ninja 4 CPU Cooler Heatsink 120mm supposed to cool your system well cause i has a super large heatsink from amazon for it's price $52 and also the "Deepcool Maelstrom 240T Cpu Liquid Fan Cooler" for $71 test this 2 coolers
Have 6 of these same type fans but airflow designed by enermax and they are Awesome for the price tag. 89 bux for the kit normally they were on sale for 49. Great looks and flow nice no overheating issues with .5 OC using the cryorig lumi cooler. Case stays nice and cool....bonus no worry of leaks. Great show and tell Jay too bad we couldn't see the block all lit up but heck the cooling is far more important and that seemed to work good.
Good idea on the flow indicator, but bad idea on the pump. Also the pump housing looks really cheap and you can see next to the cable where it has opened up a bit. What I would do is put the flow indicator where the pump is and put the pump on the block. That way it will be a bit better.
While it's not really necessary its a nice option they give you to open this bad boy up and just fiddle with it, isn't that why a lot of us enjoy this hobby? Just go through and making it yours even though a lot of the aesthetics and miniscule bumps in performance are pretty much just for our own amusement, it's still fun. Jay, will you ever do a mineral bath PC build?
Hey J, I think the reason it has a port it to change fluid. Of course you know that, but alot of people on a budget worry about the life span of AIO. With a 5 year lifespan, alot of people stay away from them. If you can clean it, and change fluid, it may draw more users. Just from the people I know, I am the only one who water cools, everybody i know is afraid of it. Just alot of money to worry about. They think im dumb for having an AIO, and insane for planning a custom loop.
J that's so you can add nano fluid or any custom stuff that might be better quality and higher end also like flushing a car it can't hurt probably to clean it out and change the fluid a few years down the road
I would love to see a review of the new EK MLC aio as no one else on you tube has done a in-depth review hopefully it's better than the previous EK Predator aio ,love the videos as always
AIO's (pumps, fans etc) and LED (light control software/hardware) need to get better STANDARDS in place including a Universal control solution for lighting. As for killing the 5V LED with 12V source that's IMO a design flaw.. you should expect that kind of human error so design to divert or disable the current if more than 5V is detected.
"Did it die and I didn't know until my computer shut off" Exact thing happened to me with an with H100i. Luckily Cosair support was quick to give an RMA.
