John 15:21 Jesus said: But they will do all these things against you on account of my name.. because they DO NOT KNOW the One who sent me ;) (JEHOVAH).
It's amazing that they still continue to print all these dates with a pagan beginning on their magazines. I wasn't aware how they banned celebrating all these special celebration days over a number of years in the 1930s
I still can't believe that my parents joined this nutty group back in 1972! Unfortunately they didn't have the Internet, with information like yours, to help them make their decisions.
I didn’t join until 1989 (left 1992) but my brother introduced me to jws in 1974. There were a lot of kids coming off the “hippie movement” in the 70s, it was a searching time. The religion was extremely different at that time. Kingdom Halls were separately owned. It was liberal, education was not discouraged where I was, the elder arrangement was relatively new so they weren’t pricks like now. The anointed were usually older couples who had seen a lot and were beloved. They had the “Make Sure” book and people were encouraged to fact check against secular sources. Josephus the Jewish (Greek?) historian was a source often quoted in the Aid to Bible Understanding book (now apostate literature) in which Ray Franz was a writer. Don’t be too hard on your parents 💙 it was a different time and for many it wasn’t difficult to believe Once Upon a Time.
Thank for you once again delving into .. See a sincere person who REASONS and who brings experience to help others avoid a destroyed family or emotional trauma. thanks
tnx a lot for this explanation, my ( late) parents joined after ww2 and we had at home a lot of rutherfords books, i knew many things about the history of jw, about miracle oil or wheat, but i never read something about the woodworth calendar!
As always Phil, a gently tongue in cheek retelling of Watchtower's mind and fact bending madness. I'll never understand why you don't have the following you deserve. I feel some sympathy for Woodworth but much more for the people charged with understanding and learning this tomfoolery! 💚
It would have been impossible to imagine for an 80's JW that the world could still be there in the year 2000 (g86 11/8 pp. 6-8). We are in 2020 far from the so-called imminence of the end sold by the Watchtower for decades (1914, 1925, 1975, 1994…). This temporal swindle will have had only one purpose, that of continually putting the follower in a context of short time. In the face of the passing of time the Watchtower will have no other choice but to radicalize in order not to disappear. Still a little time and soon its new double and superimposed generation which must not pass (like all the others) will pass (like all the others). In short, the eternal restart. Followers are formatted to blindly follow men who themselves run in circles awaiting a great persecution that will never come. There are no more pilots on the plane and the plane loses altitude every year. Over time, history will take care of forgetting this American publishing house. If one day (in the 2040s) my grandchildren ask me : "Grandpa what was that Watchtower ?" I would answer them… The very essence of human vanity. wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101986802#h=46 g86 11/8 pp.8 : Samuel, a 15-year-old youth from the same country, also believes in a complete change: “For the year 2000, I visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise! But I don’t think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day. . . . The message from the Watchtower is that the end is at hand. The Watchtower thinks the end should come before the year 2000, but cannot write it down because that date has no biblical basis. The Watchtower will therefore send its message through the writing of a child. So we cannot impute this text to him. This sleight of hand will allow the Watchtower moving forward a date without directly being blamed. This date will do its job well in the minds of followers and I remember it sparked a new wave of enthusiasm.
They did write It in a January 1st watchtower article "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century"
Love your videos! By the way, after the French revolution, there was a short-lived attempt in France to introduce a new decimal calender with 10 months and a decimal clock with 10 hours. Didn't catch on, either :-)
OMG... you did an excellent job covering this. I had to laugh at the Watchtower's notion that having their own calendar was easy to implement. If you recall, the society had recently - don't know if they are still doing this - aligned the days of the week on "their" calendars to have both weekend days next to each other. The Gregorian calendar, of course, starts with Sunday and ends with Saturday. However, in the Society's infinite wisdom, they decided to put the days Saturday and Sunday next to each other on the same row, so as to assist with people doing more in Field Service on w/e's! This minor change - esp. comparing it with that ridiculous earlier calendar concept - caused many to mess up appointments, especially the elderly who either went a day earlier to a doctor's appt. or a day later! You think they would have learned their lesson, don't MESS with the Gregorian calendar - which btw, is burnt into our brain from infancy! Goodness. See image of their attempt at changing the calendar again: www.bennettcards.co.uk/shop/images/WC0017[1].jpg
In most week to view diaries you buy in UK the week starts on a Monday, ending with the weekend. Though church related groups publish diaries that start with Sunday as the first day of the week (as described in ACTs - the believers met on the first day of each week, the day of resurrection; and the Jewish tradition of sabbath being the last of the 7 days of creation, and day of rest, being saturday, with resurrection of Jesus the day after the sabbath)
I rarely ever comment on RU-vid videos but I feel compelled to say thank you for this highly informative and enlightening delve into the history of the watchtower. From other comments below, it seems you have published a book. Can you please provide info on the book and where to find it. Thanks 🙏🏿
Love the scenery as you bid us goodbye. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas! We’re the people there as happy seeing snow on their palm trees? 😝🎅🏼🤶🏻 Finished your book Phil, I really loved it! Very interesting, the quotes you used from different books, movies, songs...very creative! A must read! This content also very interesting, as always! Thank you ☺️ 🥰
Never once heard about this. Fantastic research and presentation! however, since this IS the Theocratic Ministry School, and the topic you were working this time was on gestures... :-o {DING!!!}
Im a modern Bible student associate and I love your videos. We still believe the original doctrines set by pastor Russell and his associates. Is scary to see how the Jehovah’s Witnesses church has gone so far from the original truth. Although, as Bible students, we recognized the pagan history of Christmas, most of us celebrated because it reminds us of the birth of our savior Jesus the son of Jehovah. So please keep doing the videos we need to help people come out of this cult.❤️
I love those old new-lights! Forgetting about the moon-worshipers calendar (all those new moons ) and back to the devil's calendar. Like that lawsuit, I am curious about details. . . !
Moyle was the lead attorney for the Gobitis case, and had won at every level until Rutherford fired him and took over himself. And promptly lost in the Supreme Court. WT maybe would have lost regardless, but then again maybe not!
@@theblueenvelope , I have to thank you big time for making available your book. I had 2 brain aneurysm ruptures in Mars 2007, yep, I was lucky to be living in Montreal at the time close to the best hospital at the time for that kind of stuff. I learned later that in the same month, 2 persons died of it / 1 in the waiting room /1 in his car, just tired of waiting in the lights and noise of the waiting room. The ambulance didn't want to take me. My ex boyfriend had to force them to take me and to the hospital I was known for lots of migraines. . . Just to say that I am disabled (not lots of money ) and I am a slow reader. Since yesterday, I really enjoyed your book. . ! It is not my first language eather, I learned english after my aneurysm, I had to relearn french first. . . It is a page Turner, is it a saying in English? I mean it in a good way. In your book, I am after the law, after the CSA, quite a bit after. I am a survivor of CSA, I thank you for talking about it even if you didn't have to go thru this. From the bottom of my heart : thank you! Other than that, you made me laugh and cry and laugh again and sometimes both at the same time. . . ! I have to find out where I was and finish reading your awsome book tonight. You remind me of a friend I had who D-A himself around the same time I wrote my D A letter. I didn't know that he was going to do that. At the last meeting I attended they announced that he left. It was in the mid-eighties...
I remember being taught as a jw kid that Jesus was born at the end of September... 9 month before is the end of December... and where is Jesus in that calendar?
This is brilliant. How do you decide which topics to research, and how did you even find out about this? I have a feeling that not even the all-knowing David Splane knows about this.
This calendar nonsense sounds like something Freddie Franz had a part in with his love of proclaiming months, days, hours, solar locations etc. Perhaps this is where he learned how to make these tedious and entirely ridiculous proclamations
Sounds like Rutherford was going "pagan," too. The ancient Roman calendar year originally began in March. It was some time after the kings were overthrown and the Roman Republic was founded when the start of the Roman year was moved to January 1st, the day the year's two Consuls were inaugurated.
I'm in my 60's and I occasionally lose track of time. I go into a room and know I had a reason but can't remember. I can however remember the 30 years of my life I wasted on the Indoctrination and blind obedience I sacrificed to a Cult. The Childhood abuse (not sexual as some had the horrible experience) that hindered normal maturing as an adult and the Torment of Service to the ORG. through Adulthood. The damage was huge and destroyed marriage/family/ children. The time has come to expose this Cult and that time is now and is happening. As of the current Calendar, and no matter how this Cult's Governers choose to record it...times up Boy's!!!
probably after the A day, the GB already rapted and sitting on their thrones will push forward a perfect calendar based on perfect number 7: 7 monthes of 7 weeks of 7 days,...asking special permission to accelerate earth revolution to 343 days...everything being perfect from this point onwards... this will be explained after some special math and astronomy training in the new scrolls.
That Christmas day of conception totally was new to me who previously to this new knowledge new everything. I was more astonished by the new light than realizing I didn't know something. I will never be the same as my former self. Help me Jesus! YAP YAP.
Of course, Catholics did figure out Mary's cycle. They placed the Feast of the Annunciation (Mary's conception) on March 25, exactly 9 months before Christmas. These dates originally corresponded to the Spring equinox and the winter solstice, but they shifted over the centuries as the calendar got more and more out of whack. Pope Gregory did not bring them back into exact alignment with the solar dates.
Wow. That was so entertaining. Jehovah really screwed up his "direction" with the calendar thing! I had no idea the concept was so well developed...as in complex....and having almost a book (series of articles) written in it's support. Wow! I'd love to know what kind of back room discussions (arguments) at Brooklyn occurred in order for them to drop it so suddenly and never mention it again..
25th March is the long established day of the Annunciation (see Luke 1:26-38). It was celebrated as early s the second century but was quite well established by the third century AD. The date was arrived at from the description given in Luke 1 of Zechariah's encounter in the temple and Elizabeth pregnancy six months before the annunciation.
Jesus was conceived Shebat 20 ( = 2bcJanuary 25) born on Hesvan 15 and 40 days on Jewish Christ-mass Kislev 25 the month before Persian Magi priests of Greek Dec 25
Astral impact Julian 2370bc Nov 20 (1656am 600-2-10) currently makes it impossible to calculate sidereal orbit size, ellipse, Earth speed, and axis precession prior to that date so that only close approximation is the rotation what would now be tagged 24 hours 20 minutes per day for 360 days totalling the same 8766 hours. So nothing of Adam or any preFlood date can be absolute. Contrary to French JW Gerard Gertroux contradicting WT with 3170bc absolute Flood and 1533bc absolute exodus.
Remember Christmas wasn't a big deal in America until the mid 1800s. The early pilgrims were puritans so they wouldn't have really celebrated Christmas. It was the Victorians that helped popularise Christmas in America with Charles Dickens book A Christmas Carol and a picture of Victoria and Albert around the Xmas tree. So in Charles Taze Russell time Xmas wasn't quite as we know it today.
I think you have made an error in your argumentation in the early part of your video. That WT article said Jesus was "begat", ie born, on Dec. 25, NOT conceived as your following statements argues. Now I find it hard to defend JWs in anything but "fair is fair". As messed up and manipulative as they are, they aren't THAT stupid.
I know it's a year since this was posted, but seems in that year, no-one noticed or thought it appropriate to respond. "Begat" does mean "conceived" in this context - it especially refers to the causative role of the male in reproduction. If we trawl through the "Abraham begat Isaac" portions of scripture we can appreciate this was the aspect that Watchtower would be understanding and intending it to mean.
society don't say Mary got her period on year 2 BC, but they say that Mary was conceive Jesus on desember... I cant find mary's period, please somebody make it clear??
Catholics have the annunciation of Gabriel to Mary. - March 25 Technically Mary birthing Jesus is the Virgin Birth; the Immaculate conception refers to Mary's own birth - that she was perfect from, the start, a theological twist to deal with how a perfect Jesus could be born to a woman if she had original sin, but merely end up shifting the problem back a generation rather than resolve it
Mostly I agreed with the information about the Jehovah witness history and they are also claimed They are the true Jewish people instead of the real Jew people.
Why you happy for misleading innocent people Ephesians 4:14,Revelation 12:9-10?is Christmas and goodfriday related to Jesus christ because is not in the bible?
GOD DOES NOT WORSHIP HIMSELF : John 4:22 -You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Jesus Included himself IN WORSHIPPING THE FATHER. ONLY A CREATION WILL WORSHIP GOD. If the holy Spirit is a PERSON then now you have MANY PERSONS IN ONE GOD. REV 5:6 - seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God.SO NOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SEVEN PERSONS IN GOD. Who is the cause of Salvation? Both GOD and the lamb are saviors, Rev 7:9-10, even Jesus needed to be saved by the Father from death as the Father is the SOURCE OF LIFE AND SALVATION , Hebrews 5:7 & John 5:26 - THE FATHER GAVE THE SON LIFE. Does the Bible called Jesus MADE AND BORN? Yes! JESUS is the Messiah and a CREATION BY GOD! He is called “BORN OF/FROM GOD”. (1 JOHN 5:18) Hebrews 1:5 showed that Jesus was MADE/BORN (orig Greek-gennaw). Also it says "he will become my son" Notice, FUTURE TENSE, WILL, so before that the SON DID NOT EXIST. If you are BORN AND MADE then you are a creation. , Hebrews 1:5 mentions I WILL BECOME HIS FATHER, so Jesus relationship with the Father has a BEGINNING, When ? it was TODAY. TODAY implies a beginning. Also Acts 2 mentioned GOD MADE JESUS as Lord and Christ. HEBREWS 1 :5 - the original greek word used there for begotten/born also means MAKE. so Jesus, the SON was MADE. Word: gennaw Pronounce: ghen-nah'-o Strongs Number: G1080 Orig: from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring. G1085. When did Jesus become SON? Even before Jesus became human he is called SON , Prov 30:4 Was Jesus GIVEN LIFE? He is called the firstborn and beginning of the CREATION BY GOD (COL 1, Revelation ) Also john 5:26 mentions that the FATHER GAVE JESUS, THE SON, with LIFE. If Jesus was given LIFE OR EVEN ETERNAL LIFE, then Jesus does not have life or eternal life before those were given to him. Notice, the Father was NOT given life. JESUS was MADE LORD (ACTS 2:36).JOHN 6:57 - Jesus Said “ I LIVE BEC OF THE FATHER” SO JESUS’ LIFE was dependent on the Father and his SOURCE OF LIFE/Eternal Life IS THE FATHER as John 5:26 states as well. 1john 5:1 - Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God,+ and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one . who is this that HAS BEEN BORN from that one? That is Jesus! 1 John 5:18 - Jesus is called BORN FROM GOD JESUS IS BORN FROM GOD, 1 JOHN 5:18 - We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God* watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him . WHO is the ONE BORN FROM GOD that watches us and protect us and who does not sin? JESUS CHRIST! HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD? NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD and if they see GOD's face THEY WILL DIE. Jesus was seen by many and they didn't DIE so Jesus Is Not The Almighty God. J Jesus is called SON even before coming to earth as human. GOD IS FROM FOREVER: John 1:1 mentions the WORD WAS IN THE BEGINNING, so Jesus was LIMITED "IN THE BEGINNING" Unlike GOD who is FROM FOREVER (Psalms 90:2). Is "a god" a valid translation in John 1:1? Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. The Greek used in the BIble does not have an indefinite article "a" so that's why you don't see the "a" in John 1:1, The Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. again, john 1:1 about theos - Strong's Concordance theos: God, a god , so "a god" is a valid translation. "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon" defines theos as "a god" as well. so it is a valid translation. Also Thayer's Greek Lexicon also defines theos as "a god" so it is a valid translation Is Jesus the same as Jehovah? Jesus is the SON. Jehovah is Our FATHER (Isa 63:16). Even the trinity doctrine states the SON IS NOT THE FATHER, so Jesus is NOT JEHOVAH How many person is GOD? God said " I am God Almighty", The use of I am, means GOD is ONE PERSON. Do you use I am, me, myself, me alone for ONE LITERAL PERSON or THREE PERSONS? You only use those phrases for ONE literal person and NEVER FOR THREE PERSONS. Is Jesus described as a Morning Star like the Angels? Yes. Rev 22:16 - 16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David+ and the bright morning star.’”+ JESUS IS THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR, Angels are also called morning stars in Job 38:7, so Jesus is the BRIGHT OR CHIEF OF THE ANGELS (archangel) as 1 Thessalonians 4:16 mentions. What does Firsborn means? So depending on the context the firstborn can be the chief, principal, or first in time or place or rank. Still though, when you use the firstborn with an OF, “firstborn OF”, because of the OF , that means the firstborn BELONGS TO THE GROUP, just like when you say firstborn of the sheep. The firstborn is a sheep. So Jesus belongs to the group of creation, firstborn of all creation. Does John 8:58 correlate with Exodus 3? In Exodus 3, GOD is called I WILL BECOME (not I am) and does not correlate with John 8:58 Word: DID Pronounce: haw-yaw Use: TWOT-491 Verb 1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out Jehovah is called GOD of gods, who are these gods? if you say that those are all false gods, then you are saying that GOD is like Satan as he is God of all false gods. Those gods exist, just like King of kings, those kings exist. Is Jehovah, GOD's name? Psalms 83:18. Strong's No.: H3068 Hebrew: יְהֹוָה Transliteration: Yᵉhôvâh Phonetic: yeh-ho-vaw'" and even the BIBLE mentions the God's followers containing his name. Jehoshaphat, jehu, etc. With all Jehovah, the God of the Bible. Yes. Jehovah is God in the Bible, the Our Father (JEHOVAH) ISA 63 AND WHO IS JAH , JEHOVAH that is WORTHY OF PRAISE AND GLORY! ISA 26:4 - 4 Trust in Jehovah forever,h For Jah* Jehovah is the eternal Rock. JEHOSHAPHAT(MATTHEW 1 :8) - Easton's Bible Dictionary Jehovah-judged. Easton's Bible Dictionary Jehovah-judged. Smith's Bible Dictionary Jehoshaphat - (whom Jehovah judges.) Yup, JEHOVAH is the name of GOD IN THE BIBLE as his followers have the name of Jehovah in their name. What was Jesus role in creation? He is the Master Worker (Prov 8) and a channel used by GOD in the creation. Notice the TWO WORDS translated as By/Through in Col 1:16 - 1. En - a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively),.. Notice it says INSTRUMENTALITY 2. Dia - a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act Notice it says CHANNEL OF AN ACT So Colossians 1:16 simply mentions that Jesus is USED BY GOD AS A CHANNEL OF AN ACT, AN INSTRUMENT in the Creation. Compare that to GOD in 1 Cor 8:6 , notice for God the Father he uses the word EK - or ex ex a primary preposition denoting ORIGIN (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):- Notice GOD the Father is the ORIGIN/FROM ,THE SOURCE FROM WHOM ALL THINGS are created. BIG DIFFERENCE. So the FATHER IS the ORIGIN of all things. For JEsus, it didn;t use the word Origin but "THrough" which in the Original Greek word also means "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act". So God the Father is like the WRITER, he used his Son as a channel of a act to write (like a pen). So the only writer is the Father, the Son was used as a channel and NOT THE ORIGIN of creation. This is confirmed by Jesus in John 5:19 - " Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing.+" JESUS CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING , his FATHER always guide him. All things came into existence through him,e and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. - Jesus is first BORN/MADE (Heb 1:5, 1 JOhn 5:18) by GOD directly , only begotten by GOD, the Father , ALL things (which does not include of course Jesus and his Father and the holy spirit) came into existence THROUGH him (Jesus). the word through (DIA in Greek means - a primary preposition denoting the CHANNEL of an act; ) So Jesus was used as the CHANNEL in the creation. The source is the Father.
