The Dalek episode that everyone misunderstands 

Yeah I've never understood how people think these are the same. The Metaltron is saying the Doctor is good at being a Dalek, Rusty is saying the Doctor is a morally good Dalek

I swear this show deserves a better audience sometimes

It’s clearly intended as a callback to Dalek, but the meaning is entirely different. The Metaltron was saying the Doctor would be an effective Dalek, that his hate and rage are qualities the Daleks prize above all others, and even they would respect the depth that his hatred goes to. Rusty, however, was trying to say that the Doctor is a righteous Dalek. That in spite of the fact that he has the hate, the ruthlessness and the military mindset that makes a Dalek, the Doctor wants to use it for good rather than destruction. But not using a different word is the point. Rusty’s words are meant to remind the Doctor of what he was told in Utah in 2012 so he thinks nothing has changed and he’s still only full of hate and rage, until the S8 finale where he realises what Rusty was actually trying to say to him.

"Don't be lasagna" is one of my favourite lines from New Who. I could just hear Capaldi's delivery as I read it in the script and he really didn't disappoint.

You’ve perfectly described why I love Twelve. He’s such a hurt, misunderstood hero at a point in his life when he still has his unresolved hatred but is desperately trying to be a better person

Just because these two episodes share a similar "good Dalek" line doesn't mean they're the same. "Dalek" was meant to show the power of the Daleks (no pun intended) to a new audience. "Into the Dalek" meanwhile, explores the possibility of a Dalek becoming "good" and the Doctor's inability to accept it. Both are extremely interesting and done well. I wish they would keep doing more unique Dalek stories that don't boil down to "invade and exterminate!" There's a real rigidness to Dalek storytelling that I've grown to really dislike.

This is my take on it. Like you said, the two lines only work in context of each episode. The Metaltron is still a Dalek at the end of the day, he's telling the Doctor that he'd make for an efficient Dalek. Where as Rusty is telling him his hatred doesn't just fall out of the sky for no reason. He recognizes that he has a purpose and an appreciation for the beauty of the universe. Rusty's Dalek genes just found more appeal in his hatred for the Daleks. Alpha, on the other hand, wasn't exactly on the up-and-up when it came down to certain choices in the "Children of the Revolution" story (Maybe not blowing up the ship immediately would've made the humans warm up to them a bit more). But if you want my opinion, I'd rather have those Humanized Daleks make INFORMED biases toward other species, where as the Daleks by default just are the way they are. The Humanized Daleks felt more sentient enough to grapple with since the whole point of the story was fear infecting everyone on all sides, thus making it a tragedy that could have been avoided. The Doctor is a discoverer, a scientist, and an adventurer at heart. He is always pissed that a species like the Daleks will never have the autonomy and capacity for good like we do since it was genetically engineered out of their DNA. Thanks a lot, Davros. Which is why I think the 9th Doctor was justified in his outburst to the Metaltron.

I think you're spot on, I never considered these two episodes to be as similar as some others may see them as and it all came down to both the respective endings as well as the context behind each Dalek character addressing the Doctor.

I always saw the line "You are a good Dalek" as almost a compliment from Rusty. Rusty is saying to the Doctor that he is better than the Daleks as he doesn't let his hatred rule him like the Daleks do. The phrase "You would make a good Dalek" from the Metaltron is really a slap to the face of the Doctor. It's Metaltron saying that the Doctor thinks like a Dalek and his hatred rules him like a Dalek, and that he's no better than an actual Dalek.

Glad to know I am not weird for how anytime I try to explain why dalek episodes are great I make a 100000 word essay

I wanna add my take on it. Something I don't see the fandom talking about often and is understandable as Moffat didn't really write it out in Series 8, but The Doctor seen here has just come off of another 900 War on Trenzalore. His hatred of The Daleks here might be more out of check than usual (Though usually he despises them anyway) because of said war, plus having to miss out on his first chance of seeing Gallifrey as the Timelords had to flee bc of The Daleks waiting for them on the other side. I think it also explains why he's so hateful of Danny Pink and why he's got this whole good man arch going on in his first season. It's not spelled out for the audience, but Trenzalore might have well been the 12's version of the Timewar.

I have a theory that some of the Doctors actions, especially in the classic series are motivated (or partially motivated) by guilt for leading the humanised daleks to there death in Evil, e.g. his famous hesitation in Genesis (though other things are at play) and his seeming naivete at Davros' promise to make the Daleks a less bloodthirsty race in Resurrection. I feel Evolution could have reawoken some of those feelings, though they ever exist in conflict with the hatred felt for the dalek's role in the time war.

firstly i dont think the dalek Metaltron was being malicious but honestly complementing the doctor by saying he would make a good dalek, which make it all the more painful for the doctor, to realize he become no better then his most hated enemy, if he can be full of such hatred and want the genocide of an entire race, even if that race is the daleks. by the time of rusty the doctor has being dealing with the ramification of how he become the biggest monster in time and space, the oncoming storm, the most feared being in all creation, a trickster soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies, who could not be reasoned with, the doctor really need to make a good dalek really for himself so he could still believe he was a good man, instead he inspired a dalek to kill it own kind because of his hatred, he is a good dalek, a dalek with morals, but still utterly deadly, and that is his greatest defeat, to have gone from a man in a box who wanted to show the wonders of the universe to his granddaughter to becoming a good dalek

Ive always acknowledged the similarities but never felt they were the same Im glad someone finally made the distinction if i am unable to word it right, at least you could

I liked Into the Dalek, it what I wanted from Dalek stories, lots of action, explosions and grappling with the Dalek question. It's why I'm kind of excited to give some of the audio books a chance.

Thank You for this Informative Video. Thanks for Giving me a New Perspective! I Should've Noticed the Differences to the Two Episodes! It's been a while since I've seen Two of those Episodes!

GIVE US THE 10,000 WORD ESSAY! THE PEOPLE NEED IT!

Into The Dalek was good. Though it would have been good to show the Paradigm Daleks as not an officer class. Rather a bigger threat. To make sense of the colour coded ranks of the Paradigm.

honestly i don't think i've actually read the into the dalek line like that, i always assumed it was the dalek saying "you're good at being a dalek", it being "you are a morally good dalek" makes an awful lot more sense i've been rewatching series 8 with my girlfriend (her first time through it) recently and honestly into the dalek was alot better than i remembered, i definitely did see it as "the middling dalek episode that does the good dalek thing again" but it really was good in its own right, definitely imagine that has influenced an awful lot of opinions on that episode

I agree. Into the Dalek really deserves a better reputation

I tell you what the opening of the story is amazing and i liked a lot of the darker themes. The battle scene was superb. I wish 12 had done 4 series as i would have loved more of series 8 type 12. Its definitley a solid story and i think ive been quite harsh to it previously.

Similarities are never easy to ignore.

I had no idea what point you were trying to make until the part about the capitalisation, that was a really good way of putting it

Even I understood this difference at the time, I really liked the callback but also flipping it around to muddle the meaning a bit. Into the Dalek is very underappreciated

Another big similarity is that Rusty clearly gets his name from a line in Dalek.

I kind of see the same thing. The entirety of series 8 is about the Doctor choosing to be a good person in spite of his worst nature. Dalek, on the other hand is about the Doctor confronting a very traumatic moments, and the Dalek him out on his hatred, was actually an important thing with the episode. I think a lot of people are kind of media illiterate. The only see the superficial, and don’t bother diving into the actual context of the argument, and just accept the superficial. Which is a shame, because if you actually pay attention to the context of the matter you get a lot more out of the show. Dalek is basically about the doctor again as I’ve said before confronting a very traumatic event and almost, if not just becoming the antithesis of what he is. Into the Dalek is about him, trying to save a Dalek but his own flaws betray him. But even so at the end of that episode, he still chooses to be good.

i didn't even know people thought that. I've always seen these 2 as totally different. As you say the metaltron is mocking the doctor, where i believe that rusty in some way is trying to console the doctor in really the only way a dalek can by telling him he is a dalek that is good morally. The way i see it is that rusty while taking on the doctors hatred, does take on some of his good nature, as the way rusty speaks afterwards, its not as harsh as a normal dalek. Also in 12's final he doesn't speak like a normal dalek and is willing to listen to the doctor. I am actually amazed they havent reused rusty of Big Finish havent given him a boxset.

Wait people said that these episodes where the same!? Did they even watch the episodes? Also with the Dalek from season 1, upon mutating with Rose's DNA. It developed emotions & it recognized how much of a monster it was to a point that it wanted to commit suicide. Rusty on the other while mind melding with The Doctor, it realized how much the dalek race was to a point that it wanted to destroy all daleks. That all said I do remember making a joke the first time I saw Into the Dalek & when Rusty said "You are a good Dalek", I did say "I"M NOT ECCLESTON DAMN IT!"

You know a cool video idea might be like a big finish, old who and new who dalek story tier list. As it be intresting how'd you'd rank them.

You just changed my opinion on into the Dalek into a positive one

Dalek Bumps has the potential to become a Dalek Grand Archivist with his knowledge of the masterrace

I'm apparently kinda sorta almost an AI. Darn my funky wired brain. I don't think Rusty meant any of it as an insult, jab, etc. But I did think there was a disconnect on the understanding of the word good between them. Almost a lamentation from both for completely different reasons.

You are absolutely right, both the Daleks say the same words but mean 2 very different things

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And honestly? Those parralells aren't like... a mistake. Into the Dalek is a deliberate thematic continuation of the ideas presented in Dalek, they're intentional foil episodes to eachother.

I always seen metaltron's comment not as an attack on the doctor, but as a genuine compliment for a worthy foe. For him, non-dalek being called that is the highest praise "the lower forms of life" could ever receive.

Name of the music ?

AI Daleks hurt me in my soul

Personally I interpret as a reference to the doctor's nature as a time lord, a good dalek is something wrong and out of place among daleks, similarly the doctor is a time lord who interferes and pokes around history contrary to the time Lords' policy of non interference

You have to remember that the Daleks are programmed to be aggressive and cruel, so even when Rusty is shown the beauty of the universe, the Dalek was bound to stay that way. Daleks cannot be as you've stated ever be good. Rusty knew he was conditioned/programmed from birth to be a warlike creature. Yes he did recognise the Doctor's hatred, but that's because he cannot understand things, any other way. The Daleks themselves are actually tainted with Davros's manias and hatreds. So Rusty's comment about the Doctor is correct. In a way we are all suppressing that hate in ourselves. Those who fail end up dead or in prison.

1:46 this ai dalek is so stupid looking XD

theres a big difference between a good dalek and a good, dalek

Apparently even good daleks can become obsessed with mental masturbation when it comes to the vague points of Doctor Who. QUESTION: Do you think the Black Supreme Dalek from the 1964 Invasion of Earth TV series (and the 1965 Dalek's Master Plan series) is the same Supreme Dalek (but in a different travel machine casing) that is found in later episodes such as Planet of the Daleks, Remembrance of the Daleks, and even the Red Supreme Dalek in Journey's End?

Just didn’t really like into the dalek. The parallels to dalek didn’t really bother me, I just didn’t care for the story.

ITS NOT CALLED METALTRON