NOTE: OLD VIDEOS COMPILED AS A MEGA EPISODE. Just fixing some old content and thumbnails before the new is posted...a bit of rebranding :) VOC -> DUTCH EAST INDIA (INDIES) COMPANY
Its called gratitude. Most people dont have it anymore and people wonder why half the population has mental illness and why so many people are unhappy.
Some present workspots can be dirty and smelly like on those ships. 😂 Some fish markets i did visit in South Amerika and India can give a idea how bad that smell could have been. 🤮😅
I'm now starting the fourth and final part. Iv really gotten into this adventure. I thought I had watched all of these types of videos and I'm so glad to have found this one. A true masterpiece. Like a great but short book. Iv subbed now so I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of these wonderful tales of life as someone else who like myself has had to learn the hard way about everything. Maybe tho that's the best way. Lessons about life really sink in and hit home after a nice long miserable adventure. That's what I call most of the things I regret. Adventure.
Reminds me of my us Navy recruiter in 1978. It's the way of the sea. James. US Navy. The Kilauea. Ae😢 -26. Shasta class. It sucked for me too. The way of the sea.
Are there any fictional / non-fictional books that are worth reading that capture essence if this era? Maybe similar to Hornblower or series by O'Brian ?
I worked harder than that man and I got a lot more accomplished than he did on modern ships in Alaska commercial fishing. I was dealing with longline fishing crab fishing. When I dealt with longline fishing with hooks, the fish would come up on the boat every second and a half to two seconds 10,000 hooks in a string you hang over the side of the boat, gaffing them on the boat being completely sprayed with jelly fish for 17 hours every single day then go into a freezer that is -27° and stack all the frozen blocks of fish. I don’t care what anybody else has done in life between that and working at the largest sawmills and doing this for 16 years between both of those jobs, most men would’ve died or have been broken now I am developing large farms life so much easier thank you God for giving me the ability to have a nice retirement😊
Thanks for sharing Hydro and as a watcher of Deadliest Catch I have respect for fisherman of ANY type. What you guys do is is pretty incredible and definitely served as the inspiration more for the British Sailor series than it did this one. I admit it...I would not have had the fortitude to do what you did and Im ok with that but appreciate those like you that COULD so we could have crab and other bounty from the depths :) Cheers Hydro!
But at least the VOC paid up reliably after the journey, if you survived. And even if you did not survive, the wife and children would get money. That was quite unique.
I'd also say the slightly lesser chance of survivability on VOC ships compared to the British east india company was because of the longer journey to mostly indonesia instead of india
Black was the most expensive colour for clothing before the advent of indigo and after the disappearance of the old Roman purple. This is why you see so much blackon Dutch paintings of wealthy men. It is a sign of riches. Black in the church was because on Sunday you put on your most expensive clothes. Black meant money. THAT is why you see so much black in Dutch paintings of the golden age (1575-1672).
Given their scant resources, dire circumstances, and powerful enemies, what the Dutch were able to accomplish is truly astounding! Greetings to the People of The Netherlands from Greece! 🇳🇱🌿🇬🇷
The world Beyond The Ice Walls 7..goid videois.. we went from africa to that lands that truth and yes the indies vo together..the history is a littelbit different..take care..you greece go look in vibes of cosmos as wel ..is about the moon...actually plasma mirror moon .greatings nerherland
@@zeikerd Hij is beslist GEEN Nederlander of Vlaams. Ik neem aan dat hij Canadees is. In welke wereld klinkt deze ahornsiroopdrinkende man als een stroopwafeletende heer?
Being an Australian and visited the Dutch explorers museum in Freemantle this is very interesting, especially also Tasmanian a state named after Abel Jantzoon Tasman
*Fremantle.. the Dutch sailed east till they hit the coast of Western Australia then turned north to get to Indonesia. Many of the ships literally hit the coast of WA and wrecked
@@tomz5704 Now really. I had a colleague like that some time ago. Many regarded him as the office clown, but his ability to keep the spirits up for the whole team under the heaviest stress was amazing. Every crew needs a "morale officer" of sorts.
what he accomplished was already done by Portuguese navigators and explorers more than a century before. those early Portuguese ships had the biggest balls of them all
After a bit of research, it looks like a laborer in this period would earn roughly 300 guilders a year. Not only were conditions abominable, the pay was a pittance.
We came from France to Canada in 1664 aboard the Dutch ship "Le Noir". This video is the closest I have come to realize the life my ancestor had. Much appreciated.
I really appreciate the first person narrative in which I am the crew member. It makes it so much more interesting 🎉🎉 I feel like I am time travel back to the past ❤
@@markrhodes403 I know it isn't for everyone and that is why I also make regular 3rd person narrated documentaries. I just wanted to create an option that immerses viewers a bit more like an audiobook and as you pointed out no one else is really doing it which helps on RU-vid if you do something different :).
I rarely leave comments but I couldn't have gone to the next video without leaving one. As a mailman I walk from 5-7 hours a day and media I can listen to is perfect for keeping myself sane. That being said, this is got to be the most enjoyable video I've listened to in a very long time. The story is well captivating, starting with thoughts of hope to trying to comprehend the amount of disappointment and worry that would be felt seeing what awaited you on the ship to eventual thoughts of hope again with the pay and building a life on return to the uneasy turn of addiction. Just amazing, man. I can't compliment you anymore. 👏 Please keep producing content.
Cheers Robert! Thanks for giving it a shot. I have another sailing one from a British Sailors point of view and a series dealing with being a Roman Legionary during the Invasion of Britain and many m ore to come in the future. Cheers and thanks very much for the comment!
For newbies (like me): The Dutch East India Company (VOC, Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie), founded in 1602 and liquidated in 1795, was the largest and most impressive of the early modern European trading companies operating in Asia. "Verenigde" means "united." Yore, good work, well done, and thank you!
@@arostwocents Manchester *Verenigd* ackshually, as that's the base form of that past participle adjective. The way Dutch grammar works, the E is tagged on in certain cases, but never when the adjective comes last. Won't bore you with the details, as the exact rules (and the inevitable exceptions) are pretty opaque even to natives. :)
My father was born in Arnem... half my family is dutch. The fact that Holland was never completely and permanently subjugated by so many larger powers throughout their history for more than just small periods at a time is nothing short of astonishing. It speaks volumes into the importance of an economic empire and savvy political prudence.
You have been completely and permanently subjugated by the USA since ww2. How can so many europeans not realise they are a vassal state 😂 we are clear in Britain what we are.
You act completely against your own interests every time the USA's interests oppose yours. You constantly act against the interests of citizens in order to benefit the US system. Anyone who stands against the US meets a sticky end. It may not be nice, but you are more completely and permanently subjugated now than any time in history, just as all of Western Europe is. Germany has a treaty with the US that they can *legally* coup a govt they don't like
You only need to research what happened to leaders who tried to go against the US across the entire fascist empire to begin to understand that no US vassal even begins to have freedom
This is the first video of yours that I’ve watched. I just want to let you know that I’m very impressed with this style of video. I love history and really enjoyed learning about it in this way!
My Grandmother first learned to walk as a little girl while on a sailing ship as her family journeyed from the Netherlands to the USA around the year of 1890. Perhaps a good topic for another video.
Real back story is that the trade with Sweden and baltic states bringing back trees, which where sawn with windmills into wooden planks and beams for shipbuilding. Other countries had to do this, mostly, by hand
you have about 16,000 to 1,000,000 ancestors from the 1600s depending how many generations back they are. That’s practically irrelevant to you at all at 12-20 generations back. For me the only meaningful thing I traced back to the 1600s was my last name that happened to just follow the male descendants out of 100,000 in that same generation. But otherwise an individual that is your x16 grandparent is pretty insignificant. What is relevant might be the region where most of these ancestors came from but to learn a story about one of them just really is just one of a million other stories of people of equal ancestry. You’re probably related to multiple people involved with the VOC, heck I probably am too seeing my ancestors come from northwest Europe. If the person was alive today and you had a DNA test it wouldn’t even show you are related in any significant way. We will never know all their stories, but these random ones that have some significance stick out and get recorded, and are not all that uncommon.
Service in navy was far worse. Several times more crew lead to worse food supply, far worse conditions and so on. As far as I remember, navy had higher level of crew loses. And, in 17 century usual conscripts in Swedish army had 30% mortality every year.
Sounds like Hank is trying to Shanghai me😅...17 minutes in, this guy is easily one of the greatest narrators I've heard in my 50 years, animals once tended, now resembled was brilliant 😂
They were just a bunch of later day Vikings! If you look at traits like blonde hair or genetic diseases that hit that haplotype, you'll see how they got around! Scythians, the Greek "Amazons", are later day Mongolians. There is a distinct trait in Northern Europeans for being singular dwellers verses Southern Europeans being "condominium" dwellers. Pioneering, turning their back on civilization, is said by socio- archeologists to be part of the northern DNA. Robert Plant sang verses about it. " Theres a feeling I get, when I look to the west... and my spirit is crying for leaving." Im waiting for the first Mars missions to open up!
Well, were they not better off then the Dutch that stayed at home?. Correct me if I have this wrong, but 100% of the 17th century Dutch Landsmen died . . . we don't see any of them around now, right? 50% odds start to seem pretty good in comparison !.
Would be interesting to also do a video about Dutch Brasil from 1630-1654. The Dutch(WIC) tried to set up a South Atlantic Empire with Brazil as its center. Zeeland at the time wanted to put in many more financial and military resources, but Amsterdam refused, which was 1 reason for the loss of Dutch Brazil. For this it also was used to be called 'Versuymd Brasil' (neglected Brasil). Although almost no Dutch person nowadays knows about this, in Northeast Brazil a lot of people know and are proud of this. Brazilian surnames like Wanderley(van der Ley) are descendant from colonists from these times. Brazilians in the Northeast even call Johan Maurits van Nassau(Mauricio de Nassau in portugese) the best governor Brazil ever had. He was governor of Dutch Brazil from 1636-1644. If Brazil wouldnt be lost at that time, it could be even more important for the Dutch than Indonesia, and would also alter the course of history for Brazil itself.
Mate that was really well done, on the edge of the seat. I spent twenty yrs a heroin addict, and some things have never changed, but being put through that in withdrawal for opium, there aren't the words. But ultimatelymost will never be functioning humans again, just the sheer trauma if those five years. Anyhow you take us there and keep up the good work Newcastle Australia 🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘
I wonder if it's because they truly wanted to, or because they came back after 5 years with such a 'small' amount of money and are now older, making it hard to switch a trade. Loss fallacy type thing maybe? Or maybe they just had the luckiest circumstances on the 1st ride and thought they'd have an equal adventure the second time..
The reason why the Netherlands became so wealthy was because of the power of the VOC which really was quite different to other trade companys employed by other nations. It was basicly a nation within a nation and could do almost whatever it wanted. That is the important part because the VOC needed to react fast. By the time a letter got to Amsterdam and back, it might already be late to do something about whatever there was going on.
the dutch, the biggest slave traeters in the whole world, the dutch the best frinds off the germans in the first and the second W War, the dutcht behavoir in there colony s are verry cruel
Also windmills. In early 1600s we invented the windmill saw. We could saw timber 30x faster. We could build ships faster and cheaper this way compared to our competitors. More ships is a bigger piece of the economy. Also meant that we could often buy in bulk because there was more money. Money makes money. Something that never changed
The Netherlands was already wealthy and developed in the late Middle Ages. True the Dutch Golden age the wealth moved from the southern provinces to the Northern provinces. And with the southern provinces i mean Belgium.
My current Roman envoy series is about the only Roman delegation who went to China via maritime silk trade route in AD195...so not overland but it is silk trade route. Thanks for watching Lou!
I once read of a mid 17th century Dutch sea captain who "turned Turk", i.e. joined the Ottoman Navy, and became an admiral in it. His Turkish surname was "Van Sallee" after a sea battle he won in North Africa. His two sons immigrated to New Amsterdam, one of whom and his wife were quarrelsome persons, the couple got kicked out of the city, and then became the first settlers of "Broeklen" (?), later Brooklyn. That information was on a genealogy website. I would like to find further information on them.
Not so much the lawlessness as much as just the wrong amount and wrong type of law. The sort of law that protects the elite but not the poor. This is still a problem now, albeit to a lesser extent. It's just that public awareness and medical science have mitigated it.
Makes me wonder a lot about "The Wild West" too and whether or not I would've liked that more. The chaos and the fact you could have your livelihood taken at any moment doesn't sound too fun... But the freedom sounds appealing. Despite possibly being "too free."
@@urphakeandgey6308 it's still the wild west, just go into any family court with the hateful woman of your choice and try to get access to your children.
Crazy interesting to learn about my own country's history through someone from another country's perspective. Makes you realise how dumb nationalism is. We were exploitative assholes, just like everyone else, we just happened to be better at it at that particular point in history.
Fantastic. I hope you have time for more of these, because they’re a really cool format of telling history! This poor guy- once he started on the poppy, I thought “oh no, he’s going to end up alone and dead in the gutter”. But no, yay he dried out and made it home to build a life, albeit not a long one- but at least not a sad, hazy, hit-chasing, lonely one. I know he’s an amalgamation of people- and it’s nice to imagine some people making it home to realize some of their happy dreams!
Cheers and thanks for watching. The Roman Legionary in Britain (full episode) and its follow up are in the same format. There is also a modern British sailor series in one episode...both are in my Live Life as a Historical Figure series.
What a fascinating subject to learn about. We have always been taught that there were large land battles during the Punic wars, I would think the same would be possible for navy battles. Rome lost quite a lot of battles to Hannibal and just kept making more so there had to be a large population. At the same time it was kinda normal for Rome to inflate numbers so it's completely possible you are correct. It would be amazing if we could get are hands on a nearly complete quinquereme, I think everyone could agree with that. I was excited when they announced they discovered Roman ships in the Black Sea because they preserve so well down there. Thank you for the video
For those that want to see a great occulted TV series regarding the VOC .. check out Taboo starring Tom Brady as James Delaney ... Awesome series despite only one season
I knew it! Andre van Duyn en Henk Westbroek were not very nice people. Comparing us (Dutch) with Ferengi goes too far I think. The drama however, is outstanding! Thanks.
If his withdrawals were that bad after only 1 day of not using opium, he was using doses too high for him to also be a functional crew member. On a more realistic dose, withdrawals wouldn't be that bad for the first day. Opium, and even moreso milk from the poppies, even moreover on top of that if he was taking it orally, has a very long half life. Even with a tolerance, i would get high about 16-24 hrs if i drank enough popoy milk to feel a nice high. With a half-life that long, withdrawals are delayed. Even heroin withdrawals aren't so bad for the first 12 hrs, the next 12 are some flu like symptoms but nothing too crazy. Fentanyl with its powerful high and very short half-life for an opiate must have ridiculous withdrawals.
This is really History.....not the sort thought at school, for example European History! You just had to remember the dates for your exam! very boring indeed!
Yes, another way to look at it. Dutch East India mortality rates ranged from 13 to 45% throughout its 200-year history. However the company paid an annual 18% dividend to shareholders for almost 100+ years...so risk vs reward drove the fleet...ie greed.
27:30 the war in Iraq 18ish years back, i saw some British RAF loadmasters stacking pallets full of cartons of cigarettes (the good ones were $1 a pack) to bring back. i think it's like £20 for a single pack of cigarettes over there. after someone realized what was going on, they forbid them from doing that any longer. i bet they had raked in the profits.
@freebeerfordworkers yeah, usually they stipulate a limit, like when you stuff your suitcase full of wine bottles for the plane ride home nowadays. the Hadji bazaars were one giant black market of bootleg media back then: shows, series, movies, etc... nobody seemed to care about that, of course. probably because it wasn't nearly as profitable.
It's a Vitamin c deficiency and takes 3 months or more.
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No other small country can compare with Greece in terms of impact on human benefit. World trade in ancient China and ancient Greece had ships the size of aircraft carriers. There were maps and trade with China and Greece, before the Dutch and Portuguese. The ancient Chinese and Greeks even had maps of the Americas. Phoenician sailors made major advances in seafaring and exploration. I doubt the Dutch and English Portuguese maps are original. They didn't even know History of cartography. If you want to see Merchant ships look up ancient times. "Just wait until you see the conditions the Portuguese and the British seamen endured in the Royal Navy - they were far worse. The convicts received more food and led better lives." Plus: in England, they wouldn't even ask, they would just steal children from the streets as deckhands, etc. Children were indeed used as food for the journey to the American & Australian penal colonies. [cannibals]. Indigenous Americans and Indigenous Australians said that Anglo-Celtic people who emerged from the ship's lower deck were unclothed savages. Scurvy killed British sailors and British soldiers who fought in 1915. WW1 Gallipoli. The Turks said there was nothing Australian about the Australians. They were all filthy Anglo-Celtic people. None could even speak native Australian. They all spoke in English even the Irish.
Very interesting account. I was a bit surprised to hear that the sailors got up in the morning and went to bed at night. Did they not have a watch system on board? It would have been very interesting to hear about the tasks of the rookie sailors, and how they were taught what to do, assuming of course that information is available.
What's the deal with the crimpers/soul sellers. I'm not easily able to find much on them. So they made formal contracts with their recruits. But they weren't affiliated with VOC? So I kind of got the impression from the video that they didn't really do anything at all besides house and feed their recruits. I'm almost assuming anyone could have just walked up to the VOC office come said day and sign up or no? Here's my question What purpose did the crimpers actually serve besides exploitation? I feel like they probably existed for reasons even outside just taking cuts of would be sailors. Perhaps they really did offer some advantage? Maybe some were better than others? Why wouldn't the word be out on them as a scam otherwise? Also what kind of legal binding would be between the recruit and th crimper and how would he get paid upfront? Just a little confused on these details. I'm really liking this point of view second person format story telling you're doing. It certainly does leave these questions on the minds of the historical avatar, but as a meta viewer I kind of wish I knew the answers too lol.
Cheers and thanks for watching will try to give you some answers :) There is a bit of information on them you just have to dig a bit unfortunately but here are a few links to assist you. I have some great books on this topic that I personally used like Time Life's East Indiamen series which went into a LOT of great detail. www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/soul-seller-the-man-who-moved-people en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghaiing www.academia.edu/29467080/Sailors_families_and_the_urban_institutional_framework_in_early_modern_Holland As you can see based on some of the links we have them still to this day we just tend to call them "human traffickers". There are also other names for its historical variant such as "Shanghaiing". Their main motivation is of course currency and their methods varied then as now between violence and deception and all areas in between. One such method was the promise of a better future which if you are starving or poor you may be susceptible to. Now as with human trafickers today it was a constant cycle of supply and demand and evading law enforcement. However places like the Dutch Republic were quite a bit more corrupt than today and in that sense mirrored places like Central America more...IE law enforcement could be bought or "convinced" to turn a blind eye etc. Back to your other questions...sometimes the soul sellers would be just one middle man in the process. IE he would work on behalf of an otherwise respectable VOC recruiter who would pay based on head count. You paid your soul sellers as they were literally your lifeline at times and a reputation for not paying meant that business would be impacted negatively as word would get around. Hopefully that helps answer some of the question :) Let me know if you have more happy to answer!
You see it nowadays a lot in a legal way: agents or employment agencies etc. When living in SE Asia I saw it a lot... people want to work abroad and these scams take a lot of money from them.
I really appreciate the cadence and tone of your voiceovers. If you added just 1 level of intensity you'd sound very similar to Carlin's hardcore history. The way you're able to take people into that time period reminds me of Hardcore History as well. I hope this is the highest compliment to you because that's how I intend it.
