I starred in cat people 2 years ago. I was the lead. ❤❤❤ love that you put her in. I love her. We twisted the Interpretation that the Main character overcame Male opression. But she went too far and then had to die because she crossed the line she despretly tried to defend for her.
yeah pretty much. women can only be pretty to be even really thought of. so-called ugly women don't get the same amount of attention or tropes thrown at them.
they are also mostly white, (as most of Hollywood is) and often the women of colours are either overtly sexualised and or only seen in sexual aspects, or they aren't sexualised at all, never to be romanticized or being a fully actualized human....am I making sense?
I actually really like this character type. It subverts gender norms by having a female character unapologetically enjoy sex, yet she's usually depicted as a genuinely decent person, and not shamed for her reputation.
I think it shows that liking sex doesn't make someone, especially a woman, evil is great. It's annoying how the media conmects liking sex to having no morals. At least the ones I've seen, which honestly isn't a lot.
thats the thing, it looks like it subverts gender norms but it actually doesn't it creates a fictional performative fierce alter ego for women, but it really is purely fictional
@@Angi3_6 ok...? So let me get this straight is women being sexualized a good thing or not? Bc the take is always crying abt how sexualized women are in film while in the same breath praising women for literally having sex and sexualizing themselves....there is no difference as far as i can tell. How abt we all stop putting women in boxes and just accept that some like sex and being objectified and some dont like sex or being objectified.
I love how you started to use more examples from pop music culture, not only movies. Of course movie characters should be in priority, but it's also interesting to see something from celebrities experience
When it comes to pop music and the image of the dangerous woman, you have to mention Halsey and her numerous songs about being too dangerous for societal rules
I'm surprised The Take hasn't done a video on the riot grrrl movement and on alt girls/women in general. Especially since a lot of them had to fight misogyny in the scene.
The Dangerous Woman trope says it all: society judges women more harshly, and divides them into two categorizes of Good or Bad. Whereas Men don't get judged severely and harshly as women.
They definitely get judged harshly but they just get judged about different thing, some of the standards that have been set for women arent there for men but that's also true vise versa. At the end of the day we just gotta let people do what is comfortable to them without judgement, that's the only way to get rid of unwritten social standards for men and women
Agree that the accepted "empowering" dangerous woman are the sexy ones that still fulfill male desire. The whole "I'm a bad bitch, I appeal to men because I choose to" sexy woman in media feels like a cover up to avoid being accused of objectification because the female character claims she's independant or is respected. Dangerous women that actually challenges womanhood (Jeniffer's Body, Teeth, Proming Young Woman) get heavily scrutinized because it doesn't make men feel good the way the others do (and y'know, deniers rape culture and misogyny). edit: also wanna make clear, not trying to slut shame or bring down women/female characters that aren't existing to be societal commentary and just existing as sexy beings. You do you! It's just worth noting how societally women are gate keeped based off how they appeal to men, even when it comes to their independance from them.
Women call it the “dangerous women” or being a “bad bitch,” men call it the “vixen.” Different terminology for essentially describing the same pattern of behaviours. Almost every woman has an inner vixen, it just takes the right person or situation to bring it out. Which most men are aware of. But like you stated, it comes across as a false sense of self agency. You’re still playing into male desires.
Great point! If a woman who wasn't "traditionally beautiful" exhibited all the exact same traits, she wouldn't be treated the same. Technically, Lizzo is a dangerous woman too but her figure isn't widely celebrated
@@0104brit true! Conventionally attractive women are seen as sexy for asserting their sexuality. Fat or not conventionally attractive women doing the same thing is usually seen as a joke because "lol how you can be so confident when you're "uglyyy". 😑
@@theunknown5386 nice that you and your male friends like these movies but I wouldn't make up the fact these movies were scrutinized or avoided by men who find movies addressing sexism and rape culture as a "political agenda" or "man hating". It's not just the extremist incels, sexism exists in honestly everybody and some struggle to challenge it. There are men who don't like these movies because they don't see it as for them and it triggers an internal fear of sticking their dicks in women who didn't want it and punishing them for it. Stripping men of their sexual dominance, especially by women, can be seen as a threat or insult.
No it doesn't, you shouldn't justify dangerous women its not a person you want to be. To put into perspective any man who displays the same traits as a dangerous women would not only be called toxic, but that said man wouldnt last in a relationship, becuz women don't like men who are unstable, mentally, financially, no women likes unstableness. So why is it supposed to be hot or okay when a women displays be unstableness? The media has played into your mind, you need to realize that media doesn't show the true reality. It has nothing to do with rape culture or misogyny, you women need to stop pulling those cards cuz it stops you from seeing the man's perspective.
What Hollywood thinks a dangerous woman is: Sexy troublemaker I can tame What a dangerous woman actually is: Demands physical and psychological safety for herself, doesn't tolerate controlling or abusive behaviour Puts a lot of effort into her own education/career/business/self-improvement Has her own savings and pension plan Doesn't do the majority of household chores Negotiates for higher salary to get compensated for her skills at the actual job market value Doesn't do uncompensated care work for extended family Has a healthy support system around her outside of her relationship
I remember it was during "Shark Tale", Angelina's mom (before she died) said to her "I don't know why you're the bad fish, you're a good person". And Angelina responded "Mom, not everyone sees me like you do". I think in that same interview she talked about going into the meeting where the producers were gonna explain which fish she was playing and she looked around at these pictures and "saw this fish with this big red mouth and pointy eyebrows and I thought 'They can talk as along as they want. I know I'm that fish'. That's my fish". It sucks that she was pigeonholed into a typecasted role in her early career, but at least she was self-aware and was finally able to break from that once she got older & became a director.
Veronica Sawyer could be considered an example of this Trope, as detailed in "Dead Girl Walking." It's her who makes the first move with JD, yet she's still portrayed as a noble person.
No not really but when I watch I think of which of my friends fits the trope they're talking about most, I use media tropes to relate to the world, that's why Abed is my favorite character in Community, we have that in common. For instance I'm The Weird Girl, my bestie is The Smart Girl, and my boyfriend is The Manic Pixie Dream Boy
I want to hear your thoughts on the dumb dad trope and whether its about taking down the patriarchy or if its making fun of men with nurodivergent symptoms.
I think it's just playing into patriarchal ideas; dads aren't "meant" to be caregivers or responsible or look after the house etc. They're *allowed* to be 'dumb'.
I would guess it´s actually a trope originated in patriarchy too, because for some reason paternity is rejected for being kind of a "feminine" role as the man has to take nurturing and caring qualities if you get what I mean.
Same, but in reality I'm the weird girl (specifically a smart ass space cadet, I'm a smart ass when you first meet me but once I warm up to you you'll see I'm just a weirdo in her own little world)
One thing that wasn't talked much about is the relationship between danger and masculinity. A lot of the women portray seemingly masculine traits in not opening up about feelings, being risk takers, being attracted to women, etc. Would be interesting to learn more about why danger is classically only reserved for men and masculinity (which is probably the reason why performance of danger as an outlet is something women like to play around with).
It's a biological thing, women are empathetic and maternal beings, while men are suppose to face the world to protect his family. It's something that is in our DNA.
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I feel like this video could tie in with your video about Male Gaze vs Female Gaze. As you said, sometimes the dangerous woman is someone who the man wants to tame (male gaze), but if we look deeper, her danger has nothing to do--- or very little to do--- with 'needing to be saved' (female gaze). I love these videos so much.... I am totally a missionary for this channel, spreading the good word! 😂
Basically unless you're rich and attractive, you aren't going to get away with being "dangerous". Be a decent human being first, everything else is secondary.
Can you do: Single Moms, Tropes and the Single Girl, Bumbling Dad, Overprotective Father's, Ethnic Overbearing Mothers, the Perfect Sister figure, the Dragon Lady, the Wallflower and how we should let her bloom on her own terms, the Catholic Girl, the Fiery Redhead, the Rom Com Bitch, and the Nagging for Marriage Mom and why we need to cut loose her apron strings
That'll take them into the next decade! But regarding ethnic overbearing mothers.......I've nearly finished watching "The Affair". In the last two series you see an Indian mother in law and she's horrible. I've noticed that Indian mothers tend to be portrayed very negatively in drama. Of course there's also the old favourite: The Jewish Mother.
This was great! But I'll admit that, like the dangerous woman, nobody wants the dangerous man either. The drunkard, violent, self loathing mess of a person. However, it DOES irk me that somehow dangerous men are seen as gray (morally) but the dangerous woman is seen as completely black and broken beyond repair in movies and TV. Breaking bad comes to mind. And how men are allowed to stay bad after they've had kids with society not judging them as harshly as they would a mom who would do the exact same things. Such as sell meth for her family
The mom wasn't dying of cancer though. If she had the same death sentence and all I'm sure it would have been very similar with key tweaks as women think and navigate problems differently than a man would.
In the movie "A star is born" we get to see a dangerous men that turn the danger into himself. He is a failure, addict and suicidal men. This movie was applauded for being romantic while Lady Gaga's caracter is depicted as a saint who love him for who he is. It's not a romantic drama it's an toxic horror film.
Weeds was Breaking Bad before Breaking Bad became so popular. Hardly anyone has heard of Weeds. If this isn’t a sign of blatant sexism, I don’t know what is...
@@alexandrebeaudry8377 Exactly!! In real life, we would all see her situation as abuse and, as her friend, urge her to leave him. But movies and TV always show women "standing by their dangerous man". It needs to stop.
A real dangerous woman doesn’t give a fuck what men think of her, while taking absolutely no shit and owning tf outta her life. She’s not on tv. When her mind is free from all societal programming, She is truly almighty and powerful and cannot be touched by anyone
I however argue that Taylor's dangerous woman is not JUST sexual or comfortable for consumers. She is threatening positions of power too. Just in reference to her musical universe, her dangerous woman started out with blank space, mocking their assumptions, to rep era, embracing a side that is usually shamed, to the man in lover era, actually asking questions and making the dangerous woman being inspiring and a figurehead in overthrowing the patriarchy not just in sexual and pop culture domains but in work life and society too, to mad woman in folklore, in retrospect and a more mature but still untamed and still questioning everything. Her dangerous woman is also fully aware and ever embracing of her own emotions and intelligence. She is a full and true being in the taylor musical universe. The one most loved i believe too.
i guess its like how bullies are actually the ones most in need of a hug, we project how we actually want to be seen. at least some people do, i wouldn't really know for myself, but i'm not at all normal, but ikwym for sure
that’s the point. unstable emotional women are dangerous. they might cry their eyes out while chugging ice cream or murder you in your sleep, you never know.
Yay! You included Faith from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. My forever girl crush. One of many fave moments is her drawing a heart on the window 'cause she wants Buffy to "come out and play". ❤️❤️❤️
the real question is, is there such a thing? or have women been oppressed so long, that this is just another way of them trying to lash out, be more free with themselves, and are being judged for it in the end? its like how men are often shamed, mostly by other men, by not meeting expectations of liking sports, and guns, and cars. people don't like those who aren't "normal" or "typical"
I honestly think that it’s an alternative presentation of mental illness. I believe that there’s really two different tropes here that are being represented as one - the ultra sexual party girl is in her own league. Interestingly, often these characters are hard party goers or drug users, as well as having a “tragic past” (13 from House MD). Criminal activity is also present (Angeline Jolie’s character in Girl Interrupted, Alex from OITNB, Cassie in Promising young woman). It seems that what’s actually happened is that this caricature, based on real life example, is actually a misrepresentation of often ignored mental illness in women; being put down to being “fun” and not “self destructive and emotionally repressed”. Obviously, the above-mentioned characters are seperate to the personas portrayed by Taylor Swift (for example), as she talks more about enjoying yourself and importantly; being emotionally in touch. Hence why I think there’s really two tropes here.
@@sparksfly6149 hmmm, wouldn't know really, my mind can only perceive so much lol. i'm not that smart, but i suspect, as always there's more going on than either the video is saying, and than i'm realizing. people are complicated.
okay but they used Nat Romanoff as an example of women who don't like being vulnerable. Her whole arc in Endgame and through the series was about her becoming vulnerable and letting people in, and she sacrificed herself for the soul stone! she doesn't fit the stereotype imo
yeah i didn't really notice it but when i think about it, you're right. she fits more into a category like "the strong woman who's secretly vulnerable" or something, not sure if that's a thing. its much like how tony stark is the self-interested egomaniac who over time becomes more considerate and thoughtful, to a degree at least
@@akamego I read it after she died. I got the sense that it wasn't so much about praising difficult women as it was about warning what happens to women who aren't difficult enough.
Idk, as someone who is overweight, has acne and wears ugly glasses (saving up money for new ones) I could never ever feel confident enough to try and let myself loose and possibly resemble one of the strong/dangerous-woman tropes. I would feel like clown. I'm sure many girls/women feel that way.
i hear ya, i mean, not from the same perspective, but as a male who's never felt right in his own skin, with all kinds of neurological issues going on, in an unhealthy body i can't fully control, i've never felt confident enough to be anything but a failure if i tried. all i can do is live as i am, and slowly try to be a little more ok with it
ive seen so many of these comments, and im wondering if anyone actually watched the whole video or what?? cause why would you want to be this way though? its fucking miserable if you really think about it, ive been called dangerous before, theres nothing more alienating than being called that, even more when youve spent so much effort being the one alienating yourself from everyone else, just like how the video said. being untouchable and dangerous is not the same as being strong . hiding behind a mask will never make you strong, even if the mask is shiny and beautiful and made of steel. its cheesy but like people, be yourself, its courageous
@@tahsina.c What I mean is that I COULD NEVER BE THAT WAY - simply because of my looks, and it makes me feel like shit, only pretty thin girls can do this kind of stuff and this just on its own is kinda miserable. When you're not pretty thin girl/woman you are not attractive in any kind of female-beauty category. And because we've been brainwashed to see our looks as so important - it all makes me feel like shit and I'm sure many other girls and women can relate.
i think we all can be both dangerous, and compassionate, and wish we didn't have to use tropes to fulfill our desires to be our fullest, truest selves. but i guess we can't have it all :(
8:33 makes me think of Love from You who is literally a dangerous woman as she's a serial killer but the twist is done so well that it's just deliciously satisfying when we and Joe find out and in turn, Joe is repulsed by his own reflection and also his technical wish. I also have a theory that Joe was so repulsed because Love was no longer a helpless woman as Joe frequently goes after helpless woman and love that their helpless. Man, too bad she was killed off in the show. I actually liked her character but apparently not a lot of people did (tbf they also had the hots for Joe so the fandom is kind of questionable). I just think she was so much more interesting than Joe even if the full serial killer season she was in with Joe had a hard time balancing two serial killers at once and differentiating them (changing Love into an emotional killer who only kills on a whim when she's too emotional which tbh is pretty interesting but this observation also comes from Joe who is an incel and clearly sexist but I think most people don't understand what a unreliable narrator means)
The Dangerous Woman you seek most-bad, smart, dangerous for real (she kills two men and pins one of the murders on her lover) and is neither redeemed, punished or killed by story’s end (she beats them all)-is Wendy Kroy/Bridget Gregory from 1994’s The Last Seduction.
I feel like a dangerous woman when I kick ass at work. And I actually feel decidedly asexual when I’m working - my libido all but disappears. I’m more focused on unleashing my inner warrior than anything sexual. When I’m in work mode, I want to look sharp but I don’t care if I look sexy.
I tend to find the dangerous woman boring. Like, their "unpredictable nature" makes them predictable. Maybe it's because I'm not exposed to the trope as much?
i hear you, all tropes can get pretty boring and predictable after a while. like the bad guy who becomes a good guy, or the loser who becomes a hero, or the bad boy who's tamed into becoming a good guy.
I would like to see which kind of trope would Sansa Stark fit in, because I feel it's rare to see. Somewhat like a calm but firm and strategic woman trope!
Sansa is a Girly Girl who becomes a (literal) Ice Queen after suffering from Break the Cutie Syndrome. In other words, she's a stereotypically feminine girl who develops into a somewhat cold, emotionally reserved young woman due to trauma. She would actually be a very good character to look at in a video about trauma or, more specifically, a video about how Hollywood portrays (and seems to enjoy portraying) traumatized young women and girls.
her arch was certainly one of the most interesting in that show, despite the final season. Tyrion was always my favorite character, though not because i related to him, i related most to Samwell Tully sad to say lol
Betty from Riverdale isn't technically "a women" she is a teenager. Speaking of, I think a video on the trope of the Oversexualized Underage Child/Lolita and the damage it can do to society would be interesting.
Women sexuality is in service of men. The "dangerous" woman is a man's toy, in stark contrast with the housewife that allows a man to leads her but at the same time she has boundaries.
It would have been cool to see some parallels between those considered wife material versus the mistress, the courtesan. Women seen as tantalizing for pleasure and those deemed "worthy" of motherhood and respectable enough to be called "wife." Also, how women and men have played into the separation for centuries.
It's not because she intimidates him, it's because how much of the dangers she put herself in. The dangerous women is known to be stylish. If she gets killed, her crush will get killed too. As Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry, "That's a hell of a price to pay for being stylish."
who knows, this world is all about pop culture and memes these days, i think we have to accept and it keep as far away from it in our own lives as we can
Okay im be honest, this kinda thrope has already been explained very well quite a few times in other take vids. Maybe a video about like other societal stuff like war, depression, drugs, youth culture or something less individual based.
(the femme fatale + cool girl) = KATE AUSTEN to crazy girl+ tough girl= Aleen Wuornos, Vilanelle. wild girl + independant woman gives to a dangerous woman(female assassin), evolution of an weird girl to witch.
Everything said from 14:59 applies to Faith the Vampire Slayer. The more I think about it, Faith seems to be the inspiration behind the vast majority of the "Dangerous Women" in media/culture post Buffy (2003). Please do a full video on Faith and her arc from Buffy's villainous shadow self to her own antiheroine self.
I'm not really sure what differentiates this trope from the "wild woman" trope you also covered? Watching them back to back, most of the examples are the same, the way they are portrayed is the same and the analyses seem almost identical.
I hate that studies show men want a subordinate woman. That will never be me yet I also don’t want to be single forever. All these men saying they are “feminists” and believe in equality is such a joke. Such fragile egos.
Feminism isn't an insult, is activism in order for women, cis and trans, and for afab people, to reach societal and economical equality. Yes, they are feminists, and is a thing to be proud.