And you are mixing up linguistic terms with ethnic ones. Never a good thing to correct someone's mistake with a mistake of your own. Hindustani(NOT Hindostani) is the term given to the language that is a mix of Hindi and Urdu. If you have reservations about calling the people who were brought over to these areas as Indian, just call them people of S Asian origin, like the many 'white media' houses of the west do.
@@gumnaamaadmi007, what do you mean? The descendants of these migrants have merged into an ethnic category in Suriname. This has nothing to do with the way these terms are used in other parts of the world, but are specific to Suriname. So the ethnonym is Hindostani, referring to an ethnic category including religious and linguistic differences. If you are some sort of expert of this matter and know otherwise, please enlighten me.
This video is very well done. I was born and grew up in the United States, but the rest of my family is from Suriname. Growing up, I always had a hard time explaining Suriname to people, because I am Indian, not Native American, but people are mind blown when I tell them my family is from South America and we speak Dutch instead of Spanish. We do call ourselves Hindustani when speaking dutch. It’s how you identify yourself as Indian. Fun little fact, when I speak dutch, it has a Surinamese American blend to it.
I see that you are hindostani like me (also from Suriname🇸🇷). I must educate you on somthing. We hindostanis here in Suriname do not call ourselfs indian. We call ourselfs Surinamese. Hindostani is the name of our etnicity, Sarnami is the name of our language.
I have the same problem. I have even met other South Americans here in USA who have never heard of Suriname. When I tell them my family is Indian, Javanese and black - but all Surinamese - it just confuses them on a whole other level. My half black half Hindustani grandfather had 25 children and they intermarried into every part of Surinamese society :)
My issue with the term "Javanese" is that in the Netherlands it only means "Javanese-Surinamese", my step-mother is actually from Java and a Surinamese Javanese person once got angry at her because she called herself "Javanese" which the Surinamese Javanese woman got angry at her because "no, you're Indonesian, we're Javanese", meaning that the term has been completely divorced from the island itself.
Javanese Surinamese are misbehaved and disrespectful. I agree as I've had the same experience wt Javanese-Surinamese many times. I add that Javanese Surinamese are aggressive self-victimising hooligans and their 'culture' has nothing to do with Indonesia or Java.. it's sad how they call themselves Javanese in an almost Supremacist fashion. A very aggressive and rather disturbing form of Cultural appropriation. One side of my family is Hakka Chinese from Suriname, for example. They don't feel the need to emphasize on 'colonialism' or their 'suffering' in the 18th century or their cultural 'uniqueness'. In the way some Javanese-Surinamese are constantly seeking Political and Media attention with their bs. It's quite disrespectful and insane how Javanese-Surinamese behave imo.
I think most Dutch people including the ones of Surinamese background do understand the term _"Javanese"_ and that the Javanese Surinamese lady was just making a fool out of herself.
I understand why they're doing this though. Dutch people tend to lump them with Indonesians, but they feel Surinamese inside. So they want to emphasize that they're Surinamese first or Javanese (because that term is more used to refer to the Javanese-Surinamese). However there is no reason for the woman to get mad or angry tho.
I'm sorry you had an experience with a woman like that I live in a Javanese-Surinamese village and these people are the nicest people I've met in my life that woman was just a crazy exception.
This video was great, and it was also a good intro for my kids to learn this history. I haven't had much Surnamese food since moving to the Netherlands. I should really have it more often. Also, I didn't realize you can get Indian naan at some Surinamese restaurants!
When foreigners come to NL I recommend them to cuisine that isn't as globally widespread, such as Surinames and Indonesian food. And if I'm eating with them I also tell the history of the country and the cuisine.
As a person who lives in Java, I knew theres gonna be a link with Suriname and Indonesia and some dutch rule in this video. This video is very well done for how much views it has so far, and so its definitely underrated in my book. I hope for success to the creator!
Now I'm in Indonesia, when I talk about Suriname most Indonesians seem to think the whole country speaks Javanese, but it's only a minority, usually the older people. The younger people speak Dutch and Surinamese and the basics of Javanese (cmiiw).
I came from your Johnny Harris video and i love your content. I hope more history outside of the States makes its presence known on RU-vid. You have a new subscriber, thank you for putting this together
Great content, as Javanese myself, i can relate some of Suriname cuisine. In fact I eat Soto (Saoto) this morning as a breakfast, and Pecel (petjil) yesterday also as breakfast.
@@urbnctrl What is the difference? I always thought that 'Sauto' was a 'Surinamese' alternative spelling to the original word 'Soto' and that it stuck because the soup is 'salty' Zout/Sotoe/'😅
Suriname fun fact: The country is the home of the famous blue poison dart frog. They are found in patches of forests surrounded by the Sipaliwini Savanna, known in Surinamese Dutch as blauwe pijlgifkikker. The frog is also known by its indigenous Tirio name, okopipi
And it’s Scientific name is Dendrobates Tinctorius Azureus! 😹😹😹😹😹😹 I used to keep them in my Terrarium alongside the Phyllobates Terribilis, The Golden Poison Frog! You’d actually be pretty surprised what else there is in Suriname, as it’s 95% Rainforest! My Family are from there! 🇸🇷 Peace & Love 💙✌️🇬🇧
Great Channel Dude! Love the editing, maybe put a gate on the audio track and watch out for reflections when recording in vlog style. Love the fact that we start to get more european creators talking about european and world stuff from an european perspective. Love from Romania
Dude this subject matter and the scripts keep me so engaged, you follow every lead and side story this is so sick and I am so curious I just watched every second of your content after seeing my first video
I've been to Suriname a couple times. It is definitely a very interesting place, a big mix of people from Java, China, and India, and the Dutch. Everybody could speak Dutch, and I didn't find anyone that couldn't speak English. And there are so many Chinese businesses around. The people are super friendly also, and lots of choices of foods. You could find Chinese restaurants that made you feel like you are the only person that isn't Chinese. I remember hanging around the popular bar and not many people talk to you much, but once they hear you speak they know (In am American), they start giving you a lot of attention. They probably thought I was just a local. Oh, also several neighborhoods of Brazilians, but I didn't see many in the touristy areas.
Been living in Australia for over a decade, besides my family and being able to ride my bike everywhere, Surinamese food is one of the things I miss the most. I knew a little bit about the reason behind the diversity, but you explain it all very well. Thanks for the history lesson.
WOW 10 out of 10! WELL explained!! Finally I am proud about my ASIAN heritage being told VERY well!! Thank you for the vid! Its pity Dutch school don't tell this at school .
One of the few Surinamese dishes? What about sopropo, pepre watra, antruwa, pastei, kwie kwie... There is so much more then Javanese and Hindustani food....
I lived in Amsterdam and always wondered about exactly this issue in surinamese restaurants which were delicious. If you never looked on the map you'd think it's near Indonesia.
Never trust anyone talking about "the dark history of _____" to know anything about history. If they did they'd know it's ALL, SO dark that any luminescence deserves to be celebrated.
This took place in the Caribbean long before South America. West Indian food is rich mix we are ground zero of the Colombian exchange. Very similar food to Suriname but not Indonesian or Javan but all the others.
Mohon maaf.. Oleh PM Malaysia dikatakan bahwa diaspora Jawa yang ada di Suriname adalah bagian dari bangsa Melayu. Padahal, nenek moyang orang Jawa di Suriname adalah berasal dari Jawa Tengah, Indonesia. Mereka beretnis Jawa dan bukan etnis Melayu.
Malaysia cuman bisa claim, cumangegeara bahasa melayu jadi lingua franca semua di calim melayu. Padahal rata rata sejarah di nusantara banyakan dari yg sekarang indonesia. Malaysianyumbang apa? Claim doang
Id say the more positive message here is: No matter what happened, how you look or where you from, who was right and who was wrong, we all enjoy great food all the same together. And what better way to celebrate this to have some Indonesian, Chinese, Creole and Hindustani food in a Surinamese restaurant in Amsterdam in 2022?!
Some of the best Dutch soccer players are Surinamese. Sergino Dest, born in the Netherlands of an American-Surinamese father (former serviceman) and a Dutch mother, plays for the USMNT
Another lunatic Javanese Surinamese hater up here ..this is the danger of these Woke hooligans.. don't waste your time spreading hate.. You will never succeed and it will backfire on you instead..
Instead why don't focus on how the Indonesian government is exploiting Papua's natural resources at present. Hypocrite. Must be another so-called Woke activist = racist.
Very interesting. Personally, as American I love Louisiana Creole food. However, I can’t deny that’s it’s also a cuisine built on blood. Case in point, gumbo, the most prominent Louisiana Creole dish, was invented from scarps that were given to slaves to eat, as if they were livestock. Even today, New Orleans and Louisiana have major problems with poverty, racism, and inequality, and that was made abundantly clear during Hurricane Katrina.
Great video! Very informative and clearly can see that a lot of work went into it. Love all the maps animations 😊 We are in Indonesia now and have been noticing Dutch influences, especially when we chat with locals and Dutch nomads living here.
Pom is Jewish in origin brought there by Jewish slave traders who fled the Spanish inquisition and found refuge in the 7 provinces(the Netherlands). The Jews were lucrative allies since they had established the necessary slavemarket contacts when living in the Spanish empire and could serve as a diplomatic middleman in a nasty business as Protestants didn't like direct involvement in human trafficking for ideological reasons. The story of the jews in Europe is that the were forbidden to enter the guilds so they could only make money with risky undertakings like banking, backbreaking labor nobody else was willing to do and Atlantic trade which was rather deadly in those days. Yet the Surinames riff on Pom has changed its ingredients to include homegrown vegetables and spices hence its distinct flavor. Ps. It feels a bit ironic that you are filming this video from what seems like a housing district in Amsterdam build in colonial times and probably done so by Jews... which I'll take as a poetic coincidence
Pom WAS Jewish. Basic ingredient was potatoes but these are replaced by arrowleaf elephant ear root therefore it aint pure Jewish anymore. Dutch has potatoes as if these are origin is pure dutch, same with cucumbers and tomatoes. Italy pretends to be the inventors of tomatoes. Is their someone complaining and correct the signs near pavements of greengrocers, Dutch this Italian that as if they OWN it's origin? NO!!!
My theory is that the Dutch empire was created because the Dutch got sick of the traditional food and food, and did anything just to get away from it. Can't change my mind.
Pom WAS Jewish. Basic ingredient was potatoes but these are replaced by arrowleaf elephant ear root therefore it aint pure Jewish anymore. Dutch has potatoes as if these are origin is pure dutch, same with cucumbers and tomatoes. Italy pretends to be the inventors of tomatoes. Is their someone complaining and correct the signs near pavements of greengrocers. Dutch this Italian that as if they OWN it's origin? NO!!!
Amazing video on explaining the history of Suriname and the food but the restaurants in the nederlands don't really have the authentic flavors of Surinamese-Javanese or any Surinamese-??? Or just plain surinamese food since they don't have all the spices (in my opinion). To get the full experience you gotta get it in Suriname which sounds kinda obvious I know but really some Dutch people try to recreate it but they end up making a war crime. Except if you go into a full Surinamese restaurant then you might have a chance to eat authentic Surinamese food.
🧐🤔 Precious Soul Sir ,just a question what does this have to do with the food ? It just shows that the people who live and came there can stil make a nice dish with what they have and you can see that with multiple of dishes by tribes all around the world of people who went trough hardship they still had to cook and eat and make the best of what they had with God His Strenght ,why did you not just call the video " the dark history behind Slavery in Suriname " or " how very taste dishes and creative the People of Suriname made while during Slavery " why you have to gleu the term " dark " to the food ?is it 🤔so that when People eat these delicious dishes they are immediately connected to thinking about Slavery even so it wont change the fact that the dishes are very nice in taste and actualy in Suriname culture we have a way to prepare vegetables that when you dont have a piece of meat or fish( with i like now and than ) you are still satisfied because of the spices something i believe we should learn so .Before Israel went out o of Egypt they celebrated the passover it was a heavy night and that is sumthing actualy God wants us to remember because of Him showing How Mighty and ..but i ones ate Bread and Lamsmeat ling time ago after a night out with a sister and ...it still tasted very nice ,you know ...just saying God Bless you,God Loves you Jesus Saves .
It would be great if you could do a similar video about Dutch colonialism in Suriname. Due to language constraints, the majority of information available out there is in Dutch. Suriname continues to fall between the cracks of those who study Latin America (Portuguese and Spanish-speaking) and the English-speaking Caribbean and Haiti.
True, but by the end of the 1800s it had become a very Surinamese dish. If we go back long enough a lot of national dishes are not ‘original’ at all. Take the Italian pizza, our current version has only existed since the introduction of tomatoes from the Americas into Europe.
One thing I've never understood is why bother go to such lengths "contracting labourers" from across the globe? Why not just "contract" the former slaves as "labourers"?
Because the slaves know exactly what working conditions they will be subjected to? Meanwhile, if you bring in laborers from literally the other side of the globe, at the very least they won't be able to simply escape and go back to their own countries.
It was quite heartening to hear about the lively Surinamese culture, having a troubled history entwined with the choicest influences. As an Indian, I feel for all the ethnicities of Suriname and acknowledge their struggles and history, yet saddening is the fact that we aren't taught anything about this in our schools. All they teach is European wars and American War of Independence with passable mentions of Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, China and even our vast Indian history. However, The central education board has decided to include more from our Indian history and also, on the world history apart from Europe, that's quite a leap from Eurocentrism, I must say!
The Dutch be like: Sugar Spice And everything hard labor *These were the ingredients chosen to create the perfect little colony* Also, Java isn't the most populous province. It's definitely the most populous ISLAND within Indonesia, but Java itself has four administrative provinces (Banten, West Java, East Java, and Central Java) and two special regions (Yogyakarta and Jakarta)
i have just found this video and I am so happy. I am Indonesian, however my mothers father was the Son of a Surinamese Dutch Soldier during WW2. When the Dutch were fighting to keep ahold of the Dutch East Indies, which is now just Indonesia, my great grandfather was deployed to Indonesia, where he met my great grandma. They had a kid, my grandad, but my greatgrandad had to return to Holland after the war ended, leaving his new Indo/Surinamese son. All my grandads life he did not know his father, and my mother did not know her grandmother. Thanks for telling this story as it seems that this is hugely overlooked. U gained a new sub
I'm Trinidadian, so we learnt all about indentured servitude after slavery in primary school social studies and history, having gone through that process as well. They (being the British in our case) also promised the Indian (from the subcontinent, we tend to refer to the First Peoples by the term Amerindian as you do in the census part of the video) workers land for their work, and a guaranteed sailing back after a certain period of time. Trinidad and Tobago changed hands at least 33 times during the colonial period, which means we had quite a few influences to pull from - Spanish, French, Dutch, New Courland, British, with a lot of workers/plantation owners from all around - China, India, Portugal, Kashmir, Ireland, Venezuela, Africa, Brazil, etc. We have that similar mixed background as well here, it's incredibly diverse here, particularly with food with our own types of curry and roti (goat, duck, chicken, beef, conch, armadillo - called tattoo here - any meat can be curried, really), pelau (rice dish), crab and dumplings, blue food (provisions), fresh and salt water fish dishes, fish broth (pronounced broff for some reason), bake (which is frybread ironically enough), stew chicken, pigeon peas, black pudding, bake and shark, Chinese food (but with our own taste), KFC (believe it or not, completely different taste to the international market, KFC is an institution here in Trinidad and Tobago), oildown, callaloo, pig/oxtail, souse, cow-heel soup, macaroni pie, Syrian/Arabic food, American styled food, Latin American food, chow (which is fruit spiced and seasoned), and the list actually goes on, I'm just putting down what I remember here. I haven't even touched on seasonal food like Indian sweets (not seasonal, but I can only calorically afford to eat so much prasad during Divali!), turkey, ham, garlic pork, pastelles, chow-chow, ginger beer, ponche a creme, sorrel (yes, I'm remmbering these from the lyrics of Trini Christmas is the best, iykyk) for Christmas, Easter (watercress and salmon) and harvest food in Tobago with (if you can get it) babash that will knock you down clean, but wake you up with no hangover whatsoever. There are the street foods and sweets as well: toolum, geera pork, coconut water and jelly, corn soup, hops and pudding/cheese/ham/anything you can put in hops with a red Solo, punches, pacro water, carilie, gyros, roti, oysters with the flambeau, doubles, hot dogs, pizza, bbq pigtail, sada roti and baigan/aloo/tomato choka, aloo/beef/cheese pie, it goes on as well. Almost all of our meat is prepared halal, and we have a very respectful interreligious community here, so vegetarian/vegan food isn't too difficult to get (saheena may be vegan, but damn does it taste good, especially if you ask the doubles man to put saheena crumbs in the doubles), or fish dishes during Lent. In terms of herbs and spices, if it doesn't have chadon beni and pepper (scotch bonnet), I'm not eating it! We like to use green seasoning as well to marinate (we just say season) our meats beforehand, then cook them. All in all, we Trinis like to eat, as we say, better belly buss, than good food go to waste.
I was having an exchange with a trini lady on Facebook and when we mentioned our respective heritages, we started exchanging examples of dishes. It is so interesting how easy it is to bond over food. I think the lady was American. She sent me a recipe for Trini-style moksi-alesi.
I lived in Paramaribo Suriname for three years and compares to the rest of South America it feels like a slice of asia got airdropped in South America. The food was definitely a megamix of foods from all over the planet.
The thing is, Java during the 19th century isn't Java in the 21st century, culinary traditions may get lost and new traditions are made overtime. Both Nasi Rames in Indonesia and Hairdresser in the Netherlands are all modern inventions. Most culinary "traditions" aren't as old.
Yeah. Like Indian curry for example. It's not that ancient. Potatoes, some chili, tomato originated from the New World. America continent. Obviously from that, we know those foods are actually MODERN FOOD. Early Modern era stretches as far as in 1600s. Some ppl call it Renaissance era. Yes, if u think medieval and modern era are not close, you're kinda wrong. They're "neighbor". After medieval, comes modern era.
The Netherlands paid BILLIONS in reparations to Suriname when it went independent. You should at least include that, because the British never paid anything.
Singapore LOL I beg you pardon. I was born in Singapore. Singapore is a top-notch modern democracy. And not a 3rd world criminal drugs state like Suriname. The authentic and nyonya fusion cuisine cannot even remotely be compared to the unhygienic rubbish that's sold in Suriname.. Stop your delusions it's an insult.
Singapore LOL I beg you pardon. I was born in Singapore. Singapore is a top-notch modern democracy. And not a 3rd world drugs state like Suriname. The authentic and nyonya fusion cuisine cannot even remotely be compared to the unhygienic rubbish that's sold in Suriname.. Stop your delusions it's an insult.
@@user-be1jx7ty7n hmm not so sure... Singapore is a Microstate whereas Latin America is a continent...Suriname sure is a lot more diverse in terms of tropical diseases and bacteria than Singapore 😬😥
Overall a good explanation of how history played out and great use of the world map to give better visuals. I would have liked to hear more commentary from Surinamese people e.g. that Surinamese girl ... Since it's about Suriname 🇸🇷😘
Even the brits brought in slaves from what are the modern states of UP and Bihar in India as late as the 19th century to the Caribbean. So much for abolishing slavery. Scottish landlords, with their whips in hand, were waiting for them when they landed. The Scots were so good at ensuring that a running supply of slaves was needed, that the average expectancy of an Indian slave was 5 years - in this time, they were worked to death while their womenfolk were abused.
Those are all hearsay bs about things that happened too long ago for anyone to remember. I don't hear any Dutch people cry about the Protestants persecutions by Roman Catholics which was a full-blown genocide. In all sincerity my family are Hakka Chinese from Suriname and also brought there as 'contract laborers' somewhere in the 19th century. But ffs none of us whines about whatever the Dutch did in the 18/19th century. Theyre more worried about the current situation. Widespread drugs and criminality. And my Chinese Peranakan family fled Indonesia after 'independence' because Indonesia became a genocidal Military Dictatorship under Sukarno and Suharto. All is in the eye of the beholder. If Javanese/Surinamese in the Netherlands feel like they are victims of history. I think they should realize everyone is. Instead they should be grateful for what they have and take every economic and educational opportunity they can get in the Netherlands and use it in a positive way. Instead of radicalising and spreading anti-dutch hate theories/ propaganda like THIS.
Correction for 0:27, Java isn't a province, it's a whole island (or an ethnic group, which is the majority of Indonesia). There are 6 provinces on the island of Java, including the capital city Jakarta. So, it is the most populous island in the world, even there are more people here than in Russia. Splendid video by the way, this is the second video I watched on your channel after your critics on Johnny, also subbing for your video quality. Greetings from Indonesia!
0:27 Java is the most populous island* not province. The island is composed of 4 provinces it's so populated. It's the most populated island in the world in fact, the small island alone being more populated than all of Russia :)
The something strange going on ... And that's is they always leave the original people out of Suriname history( the aruakkas.) We could not be in slaved. That's why they brought creole and others to be a slave. We the indians helpt the slaves Escape.
@@hermbiov7396 that too.. and we had slaves .. to talk about the dark parts of history .. the africans sold there own peoples. And the Africans were slaves for not .. 100 not 200 not 300 but 400 years ..and other people had to help free them. The truth is hard
Why are you in the Netherlands???? Leave our people alone!! Indonesians violently forced the Dutch to leave. Consequently all Indonesians should show decency enough to leave the Netherlands. Or do you need us to force you out like Sukarno did to our people......? Reminder : you are NOT welcome here⛔⛔⛔
Now I want to try some Surinamese food, but I’m American, and we don’t have any Surinamese restaurants here. 😢 Speaking of which, American food is also very culturally rich…our cuisine is influenced by Italian, Mexican, Chinese, and African (soul) food. I wonder whether Surinamese or American cuisine is more culturally rich…
Hmm, the Dutch government promised cheap workers from other countries good jobs and conditions and didn't live up to the expectations? Reminds me of something. I guess that's how the Netherlands also became a multi-cultural society.
Unfortunately as a typical American I had no idea Surinamese food even existed, but of course it does. All the cuisines here are just so homogenized and watered down, you have to really seek out certain neighborhoods and know what you're looking for to be able to find this kind of exotic cooking, it's all Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, and the occasional Ethiopian restaurant.
Just a correction to what you said 29 seconds in, Java is not a province of Indonesia but instead is an island home to 6 different provinces (Banten, DKI Jakarta, West Java, Central Java, SI Yogykarta and East Java.) You're right that its the most populated island though.
The situation of the labourers from India can not be compared to slavery, because they could go home after 5 years and if they stayed, they got a big piece of land. The black slaves were enslaved for many hundreds years, maybe 10 generations. There was nothing good a slave parent could teach a child because her or his parents and grandparents, the grandparents of the grandparents and the greatgrandparents of greatgrandparents were born in slavery, had never earned money for a living and could not teach their children how to use their money. We have not only trauma, we have important things missing that our parents should have thaught us if they weren't slave grandchildren themselves. Slaves could not marry, and men weren't the head of their family and that is why we have so many families without a father now. Parents don't know how to teach their boys that they must become the head of the family, because it was never said to them and to their parents and so on. What I mean to say is that slavery took from us the chance to learn how to use money the right way, it destabilised the family (till now). It is not only about the hard work without being paid for it, it is also about important lifeskills and the fact that the family is the bedrock of society was taken away from us. That is why we suffer till today. And please never compare the five paid years work of the Indians with the many hundred years of slavery of black people again. And we were never paid after slavery was abolished neither did we get a plot of land. Never, never compare whatever paid labour again to hundreds of years of slavery, where families were destabilised, fathers were sold, mothers were sexually abused and slaves were fucked as they do now with animals.
