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The Dark Origins of Sirens | Dark Mythologies

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Mermaids and sirens often get confused, and whilst their mythologies do overlap in many ways, their nature and subsequent cultural influence differ greatly. In the first part of this two-part video series, we take a deep look at the ancient origins of sirens.
References:
Gresseth, G. K. (1970). The Homeric Sirens. /Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association/, /101/, 203-218. doi.org/10.230...
Pollard, J. R. T. (1952). Muses and Sirens. /The Classical Review/, /2/(2), 60-63. www.jstor.org/s...
SCHUR, D. (2014). THE SILENCE OF HOMER’S SIRENS. /Arethusa/, /47/(1), 1-17. www.jstor.org/...
Van Liefferinge, C. (2012). Sirens: From the Deadly Song to the Music of the Spheres. Homeric Readings and Platonic Interpretations. Revue de l’histoire des religions, 229, 479-501. doi.org/10.400...
The stupid nonsense story at the beginning was just some crap I wrote up.
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@AndYourLittleDog Год назад

I’m Greek and remember a story from my childhood about sirens being created by Demeter. Apparently they were originally nymphs who were supposed to watch over Persephone. When they failed to prevent her abduction, Demeter cursed them to become sirens. The version I was told depicted them as birds.

@solemn2854 Год назад

Harpees?

@AndYourLittleDog Год назад

@@solemn2854 I think Elektra gave birth to two harpies

@sadkittten Год назад

I read a book with this as the story

@julianaalcantara3595 Год назад

Que porra é essa?

@Kobiyachi_ Год назад

I too have read that

@czane1526 Год назад

“If you hear a sorrowful scream in the night near the shore, walk with the wind away from it” yeah I don’t generally continue the direction I heard wailing screams from

@weteafart Год назад

@@bambooprincess3495 just learn to swim

@Armilus666 5 месяцев назад

I head straight to them but yeah you should stay clear.

@amandabartels458 3 месяца назад

😂😅 Salute!

@quintinwright8487 2 месяца назад

Like for real common sense

@vanyakalinka8305 Год назад

This is like the ancient people's way of telling young men that simping is bad for your health.

@makidtrej Год назад

😂😂😂

@jmcb00 Год назад

😭😭😭😭

@theflowerhead Год назад

Totally. 😂

@alexiscarson6013 Год назад

Never was a more succinct yet prescient analysis ever uttered on the web 👏👏👏👏💞

@kova1577 Год назад

It’s still true. Women are sirens

@sallyhazy Год назад

I love sirens, when I was younger I fought a fantasy book called Watersong because it had a sparkling cover and it was about sirens (in the book, they can take half-fish forms on water and half-bird forms on land, so the writer did a in-between both traditions) and ever since then, they have fascinated me.

@Kainpound Год назад

That's such an original conceptually interesting idea

@GravityFromAbove Год назад

By the way Cinzia, here are a few worthy obscure mermaid/siren movies: She Creature 2001 (great monster vs alluring beauty take), Dagon (Lovecraft tale with a highly unique version of the feminine creature), Spring (dark mermaid love story in Italy) The Lure (recent Polish siren musical)(!), Night Tide (Dennis Hopper in a 1961 beatnik version), and I've got Mermaid Down ready to watch. It's either that or Aquamarine... Thanks for the deep dive!

@maggiescarlet Год назад

Aquamarine was my childhood! Her little starfish earrings were so cute 😂 that musical sounds great though, appreciate all the recommendations

@GravityFromAbove Год назад

@@maggiescarlet Warning. None of these are friendly mermaid movies. They are all the opposite of a Disney version. The Lure isn't a Hollywood musical at all. It is dark strange and gritty and weirdly funny. And all in Polish. But I like the dark end of the mermaid stories.

@perfectallycromulent Год назад

there's also an Australian tv show from 2018 called Tidelands, which is on netflix at least in some countries too (like the US)

@Pincer88 Год назад

You've genuinely got a beautiful voice for storytelling. Could listen for hours, even if you would read from Wittgenstein's Tractatus. Have you ever considered writing your own stories and publishing them as audio books?

@CAP198462 Год назад

Other RU-vidrs with amazing voices: Drachinifel GLid The Mighty Jingles. Baldamort. Drachinifel will give you the most peaceful sleep you’ve had in decades.

@Pincer88 Год назад

@@CAP198462 Certainly. But it's not about falling asleep, it's about hanging to her every word. The Lady of the Library makes the tale of the Sirens come alive the way she uses het voice in the introduction. That's magic.

@sarahf1296 Год назад

Right? Like marry me and tell me stories every night. Pretty please 🙏 That would save me lots of money on streaming and audio services.

@Pincer88 Год назад

@@sarahf1296 Wow... astonishing how you've read my mind. You must be a clairvoyant. (Please mark the sarcasm).

@TerryOCarroll Год назад

As the song says, "By the time you hear the Sirens, it's already too late"

@SassyGirl822006 Год назад

I'm getting the feeling that the confusion between mermaids and sirens happened fairly early. Since even the early depictions of sirens seem to go from bird-woman, to bird and fish woman, to fish-woman.

@AdrienneLaVey Год назад

I’ve been waiting for a video from you about this! Sirens are one of my favorite mythological creatures. 🖤

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Hope you enjoyed it!

@scottdoesntmatter4409 Год назад

@@CinziaDuBois any progress on an updated vampire video?

@chrisball3778 Год назад

I've never been sure how Mermaids ever got their current sympathetic image. All the folktales I've read about them at best portray them as alluring but capricious beings who decide to help fishermen in exchange for some kind of cursed promise, and at worst as psychopathic fish sticks with a deep-seated love of drowning mariners. I blame Hans Christian Andersen. Which is easy, because he was a very, very weird man. I.e. Looking forward to the mermaid talk.

Год назад

I don't understand how Christian Andersen's works are considered "for children", they're all horrible without exception. If I remember correctly, sailors going to America (as in the entire continent, not the country) would get very excited to see "mermaids". It turned out they were manatees but that didn't stop them to describe the new lands as awesome partially because of the alleged mermaids. I guess they didn't know they were supposed to be murderous fish with boobs 😅

@canesugar911 Год назад

Their so called sympathetic nature only exists in Disney. I'm more inclined to be sympathetic towards them

@rosemarygilman8718 Год назад

Thank you! I’m loving this! What a great topic. In the beginning of the video where you are speaking over the images of the candle and the moon your voice is perfect for the words you are speaking. You could be a voice actor, it’s so perfect! Your choice of music is also exactly right. As always, you do such a good job of presenting incredibly well researched information mixed with humor and fun. I’m looking forward to the next installment.

@jeremysmith4620 Год назад

Your voice drew me into the channel, but you are all muse, no siren. October is just the best, mostly because of all the great RU-vid content. Thanks for helping make the month extra Spooktacular!

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Wow, thank you!

@e.urbach7780 Год назад

This series of videos will be really interesting to me, because my family comes from southern Italy and Sicily, including the parts at the Strait of Messina where Scylla and Charybdis and the sirens were supposed to be!

@domirican4eva Год назад

“Clearly it didn’t look like me, however” 💀💀 your charming delivery combined with your deep research are so appreciated!!

@arcadialumina Год назад

I love those bed sheets!!! mushrooms are very witchy and mystical

@aeolia80 Год назад

oh man!! I was just having this discussion with my French husband because mermaids and sirens are the same thing in French and French culture (les sirènes, quoi?, hahahhahahha), he was so surprised that with English speakers there was 2 different connotations. And then I told him about selkies, because those of us from celtic/gaelic backgrounds have this creature in our culture, and then I just confused him more, lol

Год назад

Don't forget kelpies! 😃 I think in Spanish it's the same, the word Sirena is applied to both creatures.

@alexandrad3158 Год назад

i have just a google search and realized that in ALL Romance languages, mermaids and sirens are considered the same thing....

@HolasoyMai Год назад

@ Yes. I still don't get used to two different types of "sirens" in English

@leticiabarboza486 Год назад

Only now do I realize that we have only one word for both creatures in Portuguese as well 🤔

@markwynne725 Год назад

I really liked the story at the start. It really set the tone of danger masked by beauty that sirens represent. The following description of sirens in literature felt too short to me. Looking forward to the follow up!

@carly885 Год назад

Thank you! 😊 this was really interesting, I'm excited for part 2 🧜‍♀️

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@lindanelson6615 Год назад

Your opening for this video was absolutely hypnotic!

@blackheartbooks Год назад

You have such a nice voice for telling stories

@dekay666 11 месяцев назад

Odysseus wanted to be tied to the mast because if the sirens sang and nobody came, they would know and seek them out. He did it to protect the crew. The sirens knew someone (Odysseus) could hear them so they kept singing until the crew who couldn’t hear her snuck the ship past. It was a diversion tactic and had nothing to do with cake. 🙂

@danibissonnette1601 Год назад

This is my favorite on the videos you've done thus far! It reminds me of multiple world myths including the Kushtaka of North America and the rainbow bridge and the 9 realms in Nordic mythology. Thank you for making these, history and classics are so much more fascinating when you get to go on tangents and anchor them to something someone may be more familiar with :)

@eldgeth3799 Год назад

What a wonderful spooky start to October!

@andy2950 Год назад

Song to the Siren by This Mortal Coil. ❤ Persephone by The Cocteau Twins 🥰

@MammaApa Год назад

Song to the Siren is a cover, original by Tim Buckley. I couldn't choose one over the other though, and that is rare when it comes to covers!

@andy2950 Год назад

@MammaApa I know. Jeff Buckley was obsessed with Liz Fraser after hearing her cover of his Dad's song. That's the clincher for me.

@brandonlrushman2870 Год назад

Why does every British person sound like an Oxford professor! 💚 everything sounds more intelligent and smooth! 💚 Love the mythological on sirens/mermaids! 💙

@ThaetusZain Год назад

just starting the video. Love the mushroom bedsheets

@TerryWilliams-wu8xc Месяц назад

I enjoy listening to your voice, both alluring and calming.

@anna_caps Год назад

Already excited to see part 2! Loved the video and the October themed series. ❤

@adrianodrika Год назад

Your room is so lovely, and your voice is so relaxing. I just love how much information you can pack in such a lovely voice. Thank you for teaching so much in such a lovely way.

@daskraut Год назад

i only remember that the sirens got a little bit... annoyed... when obelix asked for food.

@AmayzinG13 Год назад

A marvelous beginning to what looks to be a favorite series, many thanks!

@KristyStrange Год назад

OBSESSED! Thank you for providing an in-depth look at the origins of the siren. Adore this video series 🖤

@Just-aNerd Год назад

Soooo, If sirens have wings, one could write a story in which sky sirens lure pilots instead of sailors.

@SamSam-esqe Год назад

Ooooooooooooooo

@emmajones8715 Год назад

About fantastic video, thank you for all of the work you put in to your content x

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Thank you so much, Emma!!

@mommymita Год назад

Eeeeeeek! I am so very excited for this two part series!!

@nickrhodes9031 Год назад

Loved your reading at the opening...I was completely hooked. Greatly looking forward to the rest of dark October.

@Lotrgecko Год назад

Loved this, and I cannot wait for part 2! Also, the background music was the perfect touch *chef's kiss*

@mardinegouws4335 Год назад

Thank goodness for the only person who have the intelligence and voice to give wonderful info. Love ur channel!❤

@meowcenary21 Год назад

Newly discovered your channel today and have been binge watching. Your academic presentation gorgeously pairs with the entertaining and insightful points made. My mind feels as revived days in graduate school, which is the most sincere of compliments.

@bimbobaggins4521 Год назад

Love this video!! I love your storytelling style. 🖤

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Glad you liked it!!

@budwhite9591 Год назад

I discovered your channel a few weeks ago. Every video is better and better, you are very pretty, and your voice and accent are just beautiful. Thank you for your work.

@lesliemoiseauthor Год назад

I love this Halloween themed series!

@holyfreak8 Год назад

I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of sirens on the screen, as they were described by Homer in "The Oddysey". Great video Lady! Love the narration at the intro.

@AudreyDarling Год назад

“Clearly it didn’t look like me however” -I chuckled 🤣

@DarkINsides06 Год назад

You're very well read but I keep coming back to your videos because you're so comforting and your voice relaxes me. I really enjoy your work 🖖🏼

@RafaelGarcia022 Год назад

Thank you for these videos. The scholarly content mixes well with your sweet and fun personality :)

@Soilfood365 Год назад

Always a treat when one of yours turns up in my feed! This comment to let the algorithm know I'd like to see the next one more promptly...

@paulshaddix5290 Год назад

always excellent and well paced...thank you for your consistancy and excellent......

@SethTheXenocide Год назад

Good first video. I'm fine with these topics stretching into Christmas time!

@barjamlin7962 Год назад

Interesting subject, and an excellent video. You have a beautiful voice for storytelling.

@paulshaddix5290 Год назад

finding your channel has improved my Classical education onehundred fold...thank you..

@mysti_aura Год назад

Love your videos Cinzia can't wait for part 2!!!

@avgeek3811 Год назад

I love the spooky tone of the video. I'm excited for part 2

@thevegancupid77 Год назад

please do more storytelling like you did at the start of the video. it helps me fall asleep. it would be great if you do more. i love these!

@katymaloney Год назад

Me, suddenly realizing half-tangent that daffodils have 6 points, so basically hexagonal star-shaped... Hellflowers! xD

@princessanthony7538 Год назад

currently writing a story about sirens and your videos are very helpful 🤍🤍

@hannahsolo27 Год назад

I’m liking the background mood music! Excellent video as always ❤

@ReadingNymph Год назад

Your videos are always so fantastic! Loved this look into Sirens

@millymollymrst3537 Год назад

This was totally fascinating, love your channel.❤

@ongjune8328 Год назад

Love this series!! Can't wait for more :D Happy October everyone

@Madlymarmalade Год назад

I don't think it was mentioned or asked yet, but what are you reading in the intro? I'm in love whatever it is and i want more of that one too. This is epic.

@fatimarezigui3892 Год назад

I just can't seem to stop watching ur videos! 😍 Thank u ❤️

@Skibbityboo0580 Год назад

My new favorite RU-vidr!

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Aww, thank you!

@hollyreed6538 Год назад

Rely enjoyed this one and would rely like it if you could do a video in the 5 parts that Egyptians believed made up ones self it sounds very interesting

@JewelMooreSings Год назад

I really loved this video!! Thanks!! ❤

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Glad you liked it!!

@OlliWitta3_ 2 месяца назад

11:50 makes me think of the different hz frequencies 😮

@MasterManGod Год назад

Thank you so much for doing this. There was so much about sirens I didn't know or never realized, especially their connection to Egypt and descriptions. Looking forward to part 2! (also asphodel is one of my favorite words to say lol)

@NatalieAuroraS Год назад

I love the background music. I very much enjoyed this video and cannot wait for others such as this one.

@MoeShinola1 Год назад

"Many a hero has been laid low, like Samson, by a perfidious Ba" - William S. Burroughs

@Calin0uchka Год назад

Such an interesting video 💗.

@angelicaheredia9187 Год назад

in Italian siren and mermaid both translate to the word "Sirena"

@jissellecruz4054 Год назад

Same in Spanish

@talyah23 Год назад

Loved this 🥰

@johnsaxongitno4life588 Год назад

I really really enjoyed this amazing video love it and love you and your amazing channel ❤❤❤❤

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Thank you so much!!

@johnsaxongitno4life588 Год назад

@@CinziaDuBois no worries 😉 your welcome 🙏

@winterburden Год назад

Thanks for this neat siren video! 🙆‍♀️

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Glad you liked it!

@uh........... Год назад

i remember being told by my teacher that sirens originally didn't have tails, that bit of information where a siren has a tail like a mermaid was just added folklore development. originally sirens had wings.

@lungelongubane4071 Год назад

I never would have thought of sirens as celestial it's a new perspective 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️

@nikikaniki Год назад

Super fascinating thank you as always

@bronwynsmith4469 Год назад

I always look forward to hearing your videos 🎬

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Glad you like them!

Год назад

I love this monstrous month, and if it goes into November and December great. The more the better! The initial story captivated me. Finally I'd like to suggest some related monsters (as in something that lures people to drown/kill them in the sea): Kelpies and Each-uische. Thanks for everything! Great video! 👏🪴😊

@MiciusPorcius Год назад

Fascinating stuff keep it up!

@CinziaDuBois Год назад

Thanks, will do!

@jamestharp7286 4 месяца назад

I remember reading translation from a hebrew text that said the punishment for the mothers of the nephilim was to be transformed into sirens. Cant remember if their physical form was described or not, but something has me leaning towards part bird not fish. Ill have to see if i can find it

@mercurialfox Год назад

Loving this dark series!

@lilykatmoon4508 Год назад

Lmao: “It clearly didn’t look like me…” 😂Spicy 😉

@jimperry6463 Год назад

Request: the boatman of the underworld across mythologies

@bwalker77 Год назад

All right, I'm hooked. I just subscribed.

@can-i-go-now Год назад

Glad I found this channel.

@amityharrington5817 3 месяца назад

You might get to this-how are sirens/bird-women relate to harpies/bringer of storms? There has to be something there!

@robertdonregenhardt6502 Год назад

The video of the sirens, you aren't off subject when talking about Egypt and the bae bird. Have you thought about doing some about inanna, eve after the separation from Adam? Their more I would like to talk about.

@dgetzin Год назад

Surprised you didn’t talk about the Siren Parthenope founding Naples in her rejection grief from Ulysses. (And in a likely jealousy fit against Circe. )

@mathieuleader8601 Год назад

never knew the sirens had a role in the underworld acting as a living lynchpin to hold up the heavens and the earth

@crazy4catsRL Год назад

I’ve never heard of the half bird half human sirens. I thought I had done a lot of reading but I guess I have much more to do. Can anyone suggest any sources to look at and/or read? Tia!

@shanscheiidt2895 Год назад

Idrk why, but the "Ba" reminds me a lot of the character Yubaba in Spirited Away

@MrAaroncissell Год назад

Ohhh Thanks for the hopefully three months of fun!

@evanames5940 Год назад

Thanks again as always.

@aishanelly2150 Год назад

Your bed sheets are amazing

@cassandraelliot7878 Год назад

It always amuses me that the ancient philosophers, who believed that Logical Thinking was the correct and only way to think, were busy describing the esoteric part of reality that requires Intuitive Thinking to discern.