The DARK SIDE of politics How Tom Mboya PLANNED to KILL Jomo Kenyatta |James Khwatenge|Plug Tv 

Ingia politics utashangaa. Ama uende upige story na Jalaas for the few months he been there.

Tell us your side

@@ericmayaka7040 My side is the time tested side that has stood and passed the test of time. Anyone trying to deviate from that side is the one with the responsibility of coming up with evidence or literature reference to records on the murder. Just throwing empty words around while hiding under the banner of forner intelligence officer is not enough to alter anything. Mboya was killed by Jomo Kenyatta and his cronies.

this is someone who was in secret service so i think he knows much more. Lee on the other hand would never show the dark side of Jomo.

How old are you?

Jaluo 😂 Hamupendi kuambiwa ukweli Ndio maana hamutwahi ongoza

@@andyandre7814 Have you understood the comment to which you are responding? Have you grasped Katwenge's fairy tales and story za jaba? Then respond in English because both the comment to which you are responding and Katwenge's fairy tales are in English. And for once, be specific in your response. Instead of making Luos the object of your uncouth, unschooled and uncivilized attack, demonstrate the truthfulness of Katwenge's fairy tales by pointing to any new evidence or literature reference that might lead one to deviate from what's already known. Why would Katwenge, whose highest rank was an Inspector, have access to classified documents? An inspector of police is too low a level to access classified documents. If such a thing was ever allowed, then there would never be documents referred to as being classified. Hizo za Katwenge are just fairy tales.

​@@georgeodhiambo598 y all the yapping🤨

@@georgeodhiambo598 tell him tell him, some people are rather imbecilic!

Let me guess, you don't like what he's saying...

@@MAKAVELLI207 Yes, he doesn't like lies. And the man is lying. Why would Mboya want to shoot an old man whom he claims he knew was almost dying? Why use a gunman instead of other means that could be assumed to be due to the old man's failing health?

The former SB officer was a witness at the TJRC where Judges and lawyers had the chance to cross examine his testimony.Please correct the lies he has talked about by stating the correct position and your references if you have any, otherwise stop discrediting people just you don't like what they say.

This man speaks nonosense

@@ogana_M Which judges were at TJRC? TJRC was not a court. There were some lawyers and non-lawyers but there were no judges. Also bear in mind that TJRC had credibility issues leading to some commissioners resigning (the Deputy Chair resigned) and some members refusing to append their signatures to the report. It is a document mired in controversy and of questionable value. Even the Chairman's involvement in Wagalla massacre and his suitability to Chair the Commission was a hotly debated issue within the Commussion leading to cracks in it.

@@harrimargmediaservices I fully concurr. His past where his ilk were regularly engaged to carry out dirty stuff on behalf of political class is haunting him. He is talking hogwash.

​@@harrimargmediaservicesjust say the truth is uncomfortable that doesn't necessarily make it nonsensical

Katwenge has ran mad!

Hope you have evidence. You are trying to challenge his point out of reading books whereas the person you are challenging was working as intelligent by then. So who knows more.

@@Ken_W254 Being a former intelligence officer is not a licence for lying. Mboya drove from Treasury to Channis Pharmacy and that has never been in dispute. It is for Katwenge, the hallucinating former intelligence officer, to put forth his evidence that Mboya's trip from Treasury to Channi's pharmacy was through a longer route.

@@Ken_W254 Was Katwenge an intelligent (sic!) in 1969 when he was an 8 year old boy? Stop descending to the lousy Katwenge level of logic. Tumia akili kidogo before you post your comments.

Were you with him?

Yenyewe, Katwenge amefuta bangi.

@@georgeodhiambo598 kwanza zile sugu za kutoka pale Luanda.

Since you know very little, some of these things might sound to you like stories za jaba

@felixwagai2168 And what do you know, Mr know it all?

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Ndiyo! Katwenge atuambie ni wangapi alisafirisha binguni on behalf of political class.

​@@georgeodhiambo598😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Now you are talking

Kabisa,tena Ile fresh,zimemshika tu sana😂😂😂

Absolutely correct. He is trying to cover up his own dark past. These are the characters who were hatchet men in the evil past administrations. The ones who do the actual killings are the Katwenge's of this world.

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been arrested regarding Msando's death while while the lady who was last seen with Jacob Juma was held briefly for questioning and then released.

If he got enough time...he has explained it well in his RU-vid channel

​@@ericmayaka7040- Remember this man read what others wrote Because when Tom MBOYA was Assassinated this man had not been absorbed I n to the Special Branch Department

@@afrikanmike And Mboya file isn't likely to be one of those files that could be accessed by every Katwenge, Dick and Harry. Why would he have been allowed to access such a a highly classified file? Katwenge is just being haunted by his dark past in the Special Branch. Let him candidly talk about his past.

It's true, even former West Mugirango MP Mr Morara bumped into Nashon while in Zambia, and yet the government of Kenya announced that he was dead.

@@ericmayaka7040 "Explained well..." where? Please, share the specific link. Thanks

Yes new and probably true

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Is your understanding of Mboya's killing limited to primary school education? Didn't you go beyond primary school? There is so much credible and peer reviewed literature on Mboya so that anyone coming here as an intelligence officer with questionable stories will be questioned and critiqued loudly and clearly. Katwenge is well know for posting even self-contradictory reports to attract views. He is on record as having stated that JM's murder was accidental. That there were no plans to kill him! And in the same report he stated that the bomb that had exploded at OTC a few weeks before the assassination was targeting JM, which was correct. He went quiet when I asked him to clarify the contradiction. Why was that killing an accident yet they had wanted to kill him a few weeks earlier? Za Katwenge ni story za jaba!

Not their version,the truth is Tom mboya wanted to hit JK

@@abbidad3054 What's the basis of your truth? Your information base about Mboya's killing is limited to Katwenge's narrow thinking. Other than Katwenge's hallucinations, which other literature or information source are you basing you conclusion on?

@@georgeodhiambo598 your name betrays u

There are intelligence files in the restricted archives. He may have had access to them.

Has it not occurred to you that as an Inspector at the SB from 1982 to 1993, he interacted with Senior officers in the Agency who were his bosses and who may have passed over the information to him or that he had access to classified files that not all SB officers had?

He was an intelligent officer and probably he has gone through numerous files ...Mboya was not a saint...

Katwenge's are just cock-and-bull stories, otherwise referred to in Kenya''s parlance as story za jaba. These are the fellows who were doing the dirty work under Jomo Kenyatta's and Moi's of this world. His conscience is just eating him up and he is probably trying to clean up himself through these stories za jaba. I even spotted him stating somewhere that JM's killing was accidental. When I pointed out that there had been a bomb explosion at OTC on a bus in which JM was to travel to Mombasa, and therefore the intention to kill JM had been put into motion long before the fateful day, he went mum. Katwenge is either senile or he is being eaten up from within himself.

​@@ericmayaka7040 Neither is Katwenge. His stories don't add up at critical points. He has stated elsewhere that JM's killing was accidental. That there was no intention to kill him on that fateful day. I asked Katwenge how one could reconcile the so-called accidental killing with the fact that few weeks before the killing, there had been a bomb explosion in an OTC bus, a bus which JM had booked to travel on to Mombasa but which he cancelled in the last minute. Then Katwenge went mum on the subject. Katwenge should stop throwing around words without substantiation under the veil of former intelligence officer. If he wishes to debunk any records regarding Kenya's dirty past, he ought to do so with some evidence.

Lol. This theory has been there. You need to do some digging into the history of kenya.

@@Mzalendo2295 Where has it been? In which document was it ever covered? This was one of the cover up and responsibility transference attempt by Kenyatta Govt in the very early days after the assassination. Immediately after the assassination, and even before the identifying or arresting the killer, Moi rushed out with the first Govt concocted story that Mboya's killing was the work of communists! Just like he did when JM disappeared and he told Parliament that JM had travelled to Zambia! In the case of Mboya, there was an uproar by Parliament and the story died out. Provide the source of this Katwenge story. It is actually a stupidly concocted story. How could events that had taken place in Ethiopia a day or so earlier lead to killing of Mboya on 5th July? A high level assassination takes some scenario planning because of potential backlash. Plans to eliminate Mboya commenced in 1967 soon after the common enemy that was the glue holding Kenyatta and Mboya together ie Jaramogi, had been sidelined.

Plans to eliminate Mboya were set in motion soon after he had played the biggest role in sidelining Odinga. Kenyatta was never at any time comfortable with either of them. He used Mboya to sideline Odinga and set in motion plans to eliminate Mboya. Firstly, Mboya's security guard at home shot at his car in 1967, and it was later explained that the guard had lost his mind. By 1968, plans were underway to displace Mboya from Nairobi politics and the Kiambu Mafia was setting up and funding candidates to rock Mboya's trade union base. Soon after his political base was under attack from the same sources. By early 1969, there were whispers in Nairobi about plans to assassinate him. His very close American friend Scheinnann proposed to hire additional security guards because of loss of trust in Govt provided security. Mboya's killing was not a spur of the moment kind of thing. Kenyatta had a well laid out plan for it. Get yourself a copy of the book, "Tom Mboya: The Man Kenya Wanted to Forget" by David Goldsworthy". It is one of the most authoritative and detailed books ABOUT Mboya. And it brings out key details about the environment he was operating in at every stage.Then you might appreciate the depth of the conspiracy. Mboya was killed just a day or so after he returned from Ethiopia so conspiracy to kill him could not have been a 24hr event! You are not making sense.

Was he that dumb?

@@SP1-media At times you can trust snakes. I have never been a lover of Haile Selassie since I knew that

@@Dennis_Okelo Wah. This is a lot of new information that I didn't know.

Those are rumours. Mboya was killed by people who did not want him to rise. There are better information about this than this.

It is only strange to those who are thick enough to believe Katwenge's fairy tales. Mboya had no plans whatsoever to kill Kenyatta. Decision to kill Mboya was not made abruptly at a zebra-crossing. Evidence of such plans appeared immediately after Kenyatta and Mboya wing had sidelined their common enemy ie Jaramogi. His sentry fired at his car and later the govt explained the incident as a case of temporary insanity. By February 1969 (the month when Argwings K'Odhek died in a mysterious road accident) it was already in the public domain that Mboya was a target for assassination. He shared his concerns with his close friends including Scheinmann. Read widely and stop following Katwenge like a blind man. Katwenge is also blind. He can't guide you to any destination, for he too, cannot see.

You are very correct on where Mboya was killed. He was shot at the door of Channis chemist as he was walking out, then pulled back into the chemist shop as he collapsed. But I differ on your assertion that Mboya was killed by Njonjo. There is a concept of the bearer of maximum responsibility for a crime. Neither Njonjo nor Kenyatta fired the shot that killed Mboya. Assuming Njonjo is the one who planned Mboya's killing and assuming that Kenyatta was not a part of it, then Kenyatta ought to have caused Njonjo to face the law. He didn't. Kenyatta cannot escape bearing the maximum criminal responsibility for the many political assassinations that took place during the 15 years of his blood thirsty and murderous regime. At each stage, he covered the murder planners because he was at the head of those assassination plans.

Anyone throwing around stories based on speculations like Katwenge is just engaged in story za jaba. Truthful stories are backed by evidence or reference to credible, named sources.

He is not, just saying the truth

You are comfortable with what you were made to believe, be open for new info.

do you think they could teach that in school. do you think they could teach you that kenyatta betrayed mau mau.......

if you think he is lying go and continue reading your class five social studies book

​@@stux1143 If Khatwenge wants to deviate from recorded history, then it is upon him to bring in the evidence to discount what's already recorded. You can't just go around throwing words aimlessly in the name of new information. T the time of independence and soon after, many young Kenyans were sent to foreign countries to learn all sorts of skills. They were not sent out there to come back as tools of those who sent them. Mboya oversaw the famous American scholarship program. Beneficiaries of those programmes did not become Mboya youth wingers. Nahashon Njenga was a Nairobi Kanu Youth winger and was among the many beneficiaries of Odinga's Eastern program. Others found their way to Israel. Nordic countries too. This senile Khatwenge should be more serious.

Ideologically they differed quite a lot. Mboya had Socialist leanings, though not the communist kind that Jaramogi was into.

@@edwinndirangu659 .That is very much inaccurate. Tom Mboya was the darling of the Americans, while the British preferred Jomo.Both were capitalists to the core.Tom Mboya had no socialist leanings .Never.

@@edwinndirangu659 You are absolutely wrong. I know that you, just like most have watched Mboya in some you-tube video clip extolling virtues of AFRICAN Socialism. That video was recorded in 1965 when Africa was becoming the playground of East vs West. This was the counter narrative to Socialism that was spreading across Africa like wildfire. Every leader was outwardly acting as a communist or a socialist to appear to be standing apart from capitalism whose bearers had just been thrown out of Africa. To claim to be a capitalist was tantamount to be siding with former colonialists/oppressors. It couldn't sell. Africa was an ideological battle ground and Kenyatta Mboya wing could not claim to be the capitalists that they were. At the end of that heated debate Kenyatta tasked Mboya, Kibaki, Njonjo to develop a sessional paper for presentation to Parliament. They were assisted by a bunch of American economists.The document was the famous Sessional Paper No 10 of 1965. The document was launched by none other than Jomo Kenyatta who declared that with its launch, the ideological debate raging in Kenya was expected to come to an end. It was one of the most hotly and ideologically debated documents in Parliament. The same document formed the foundation for Kenya's capitalistic and centralized development that changed only a little after the country adopted Sessional Paper No. 1 of 1980 by Robert Ouko, that brought in some element of DISTRIBUTION with growth. Jomo Kenyatta is the one who tasked Mboya and group to lead the ideological battle against Jaramogi and group in the political and economic direction the country was to take after independence. And he put everything into it ending in the sidelining of Jaramogi.

@@georgeodhiambo598 Thanks for the clarification. Funny enough I have a Tom Mboya book at home which I struggled to read because the editors did not do a good job with it. As the economic ideologies exist on a spectrum, it is safer to say Mboya was more free-market oriented and leaned more towards Kenyatta's political and economic view. I wrongly assumed that because of his pan-Africanist views similar to people like Nyerere, Nkurumah and Gaddafi that would automatically have their socialist tendencies. What do you suppose were the local political differences that would lead to his eventual assassination?

@@edwinndirangu659 Exactly. Mboya and Kenyatta were very similar in political and economic thinking. The only major characteristic difference between Mboya and Kenyatta was that Kenyatta was a kleptocrat to the core, while Mboya had a very dim view of the practice of stealing of public resources. Nkrumah and Nyerere were their ideological opposite. I am not certain how their political differences arose but I have read from other sources that right from the time Kenyatta,Mboya and Odinga started interacting closely, Kenyatta was uncomfortable with both Mboya and Odinga. But he was aware of some simmering low level rivalry between Mboya and Odinga. With Odinga the differences were ideological because Odinga was leaning towards the East. But with Mboya, it was his sheer brilliance and eloquence which bothered Kenyatta. Kenyatta's plan was to develop a strategy to eliminate/sideline BOTH of them. To him the most immediate danger was posed by Odinga. Therefore he deployed Mboya to lead the charge in sidelining Odinga, which Mboya executed pretty well. Kenyatta's second strategy was to eliminate or sideline Mboya. A sidelined Mboya could still have been a danger to Kenyatta due to Mboya's organizational powers, wide support across the country and vast international connections. So eliminating Mboya became Kiambu Mafia's choice. The plot to kill Mboya commenced in 1967, hardly a year after he had led the charge in sidelining Odinga. The sentry at his Nairobi home fired at his vehicle only for the Govt to explain that the sentry had temporarily lost his mind. Kenyatta and his cronies were also uneasy with Kenyatta's dwindling health and succession politics. Such were the dynamics in local politics that led to Mboya's killing.

He wasn't working for CIA. But Mboya, among many others were getting support from CIA, just like Eastern leaning politicians were also getting support from Eastern countries. True non-alignment was just on paper. All Govts, and all significant leaders in Africa were aligned to one side or the other. If you were aligned to a country, be it in the East or in the West, you ended up getting into the network of their secret agents. CIA was abundantly present in Kenya.

Acha kimbembele

@@michaelkamau8421 wewe shika kinyuma nyuma. Fala wewe

So he wanted to kill KENYATTA 😂😂😂😂??

You are wrong, but he was aligned to the West, and in particular US. Kenyatta too was aligned to the West. Ideologically they were on the same wavelength. Their differences arose from local power struggles. And with hindsight, it can be concluded that Kenyatta had plans to eliminate/sideline both Mboya and Odinga. It was just a question of timing.

Moi had no capacity to kill Mboya and get away with it if Jomo Kenyatta hadn't approved of it. The buck stopped with Jomo Kenyatta.

Tom Mboya was never going to succeed Jomo.Those around Jomo had ensured that by constantly increasing the minimum age for one to run for President to lock him out. His frustrations must have led him to contemplate killing Jomo and taking over the presidency with American support.

There was nothing unique about Mboya's connections with CIA just as much as Kenya's connections with CIA. The sixties was a period when Africa was the battlefield of the West vs the East. US had its battles in Africa to minimize the rapid expansion of Russian and Chinese influence in Africa. These concerns by the West were there from just before independence. So they had to support the wing that could help them stay ahead of the East in ideological and political battles in Africa.

He was from Mbita...the Mbitas are Subas

Luo Abasuba yes

@@carolinendege3590 There is nothing like Luo abasuba. You are either a Luo or a Suba. The late was a Luo.

H​@@ericmayaka7040- Tom MBOYA'S father moved from Asembo Kanyigoro to Rusinga in 1915 - he was a pure LUO not a Suba

​​@@afrikanmikeI even asked his brother who was in US and confirmed Mboya was 100% Luo

He has always been. His conscience is bothering him. It is eating him from inside. The people who do the actual killings on behalf behalf of political leaders are no different from this Katwenge. You would always find Special Branch right in the middle of those atrocious crimes against Kenya's. Huyu Katwenge ni mtu mchafu kama Special Branch.

Raila says we learn from history

@@mosesgikonyo7929 i really would like to know rutos story. In my time, the town was so small that all those in government knew each other.

@@fredrickowiti8939 sawa. Let him also tells us about Ruto and Mudavadi. But I think Ruto was young. He started his politics in the 1990s

@@mosesgikonyo7929 am younger than ruto and I completed my A Level in 1988. And that time guys went through NtYS to proceed to campu

From which positions are you implying that they should have resigned? In 1969? This topic is above your head.

Kikuyus are sellouts. Selling the country doesn't mean collaborating with outsiders only. What kibaki did after loosing 2007, elections is what led to the current state of affairs. Is there any bad way to sellout Kenya as this?

Seemed to be? What's the basis of your statement? Both Tom Mboya and Jomo Kenyatta were perfectly aligned to the West and both served western interests. In the sixties to early nineties one was either leaning to the West or the East. Neutrality/Non-alignment was a dangerous path. Kenyatta's and Mboya's differences were not ideological. Their difference was informed by local power struggles.

@@georgeodhiambo598 you know when you are a lazy person you don't even do your research . Since when does a patriotic person become a darling of the west? 🤔

So those reports were written by angels or human beings?? This dude is a liar just trying to play safe because he knows no one can follow him in MBOYA'S family but the KENYATTA'S can do away with him 😂😂😂😂

Are you aware that TJRC process had serious credibility issues? Are you aware that the Vice - Chair resigned half way through with the hearings? Do you know that some commissioners refused to append their signatures to the document? I wouldn't refer to that report with much confidence.

What was the name of the doctor that you are referring to? There is a doctor who led the team which trued unsuccessfully to resuscitate Mboya at Nairobi hospital. That interview is on you tube. Hiyo ingine unasema sijasikia. Provide more details please for credibility.