*SHADOWS* were the ones trained to root out and destroy the dark side and its practitioners, *SENTINELS* were Jedi with practical skills whose role was to actually go out and help the denizens of the galaxy and spread the light side that way. Shadows were a sub-class of Jedi Sentinel since they were trained in the same practical skills and were usually inherently solitary in nature.
Shadows being a subtypes of sentinels mean that in general, Sentinels still held the role of seek and destroy. Think of the "Shadow" an operation type, a role/job. But not its own classification. As in they have the same training as the Sentinel. They are in general the exact same. Aside from the fact that they potential become more experienced in live combat. But I think they would rotate their roles.
@@zenraloc they actually don't. In the Lore Shadows operate completely differently and separately from Sentinels and have training that Sentinels don't have. They're considered a "sub-class" for Roleplaying game mechanics reasons. SWTOR threw them under Consulars. The reason they used to explain these gameplay mechanics choices was that Sentinels have practical skills Jedi aren't trained in, and Shadows also have that training because it's useful as infiltrators.
@@nuancedhistory You're right, I stand corrected. I refamiliarized myself with the right information. So ofcourse Sentinel, do have many subtypes, one being shadow. Unlike what I was mistaken about, that doesn't mean that all sentinels are specifically ready and trained for shadows operations. Every shadow is a Sentinel but not every Sentinel is a shadow. Though let's not acknowledge the classification of them being under the consulars. Although it is specifically mentioned one factor of sentinel training is stealth. And we do know that temple guard is another subclass or role of sentinels.
@@zenraloc yeah but Shadows can actively bend light in a force cloak and also make themselves invisible in the force, Sentinels apparently aren't trained in that judging from the lore around specific characters later retconned as sentinels.
@@MOMOFCJ6 The grand inquisitor turned before the fall of the Jedi. I'm talking about someone who had to fight their way out of the Jedi Temple and quickly adapt as the Empire rapidly ramps up their attempts to the surviving Jedi.
The word ‘sentinel’ is such a great word…it’s one of those words whose meaning is crystal clear, and its pronunciation sounds exactly like what the word should mean. It’s almost as if one hears it spoken for the first time, one knows just what a sentinel is. Ok, my deep thought for the day. Carry on.
I want to see them close in on Vader with a Old Republic Jedi Temple attack on Courascant ish vibe. That cutscene always gave me chills down the spine.
I’ve always liked the way jedi work together, though I think Consular jedi preserve the light Sentinels prevent dark side threads from emerging And guardians destroy the threat when it emerges
Wow. The Mighty most powerful group of Jedi known as the sentinels, bordering on being living angels with how powerful and skilled and utilitarian they are, reduced to skinny weak little security guards... Being a security guard is cool. But... Angel level power is kinda characteristic of sentinels. It’s sad to see them like that in the clone wars. Sentinels were supposed to be equal to vader more or less. Sentinel school training alone puts them above guardian in combat prowess. Their force training puts them just below or equal to consulate. Sentinels are supposed to be the best of both guardian and consulate. But the clone wars make them look like glorified mall cops. Based on what I know, my opinion is that sentinels should be able to go toe to toe with Mace Windu and Count Dooku and Anakin and Obiwan. Isn’t form 7 a unspoken requirement for being a sentinel? I’m assuming during the clone wars, the “requirements” for being a sentinel were lowered greatly compared to before in Jedi history? Long story short, I feel that they did sentinels extremely dirty in the clone wars.
You see them as living angels. Seems a little extreme to me. They are not trained to be the best of both? Where do you get that from? Honestly, it feels like the writers and creators left the Sentinals in the dust and just didn't develop them. Perhaps F & F will fix that in the new Star Wars Universe.
501st, Sith Stalkers, and Sentinels were probably the best group of characters in star wars. For what little we get to see of them. And their background all have ties to eachother
Could you explain how maul just didn’t learn the skills that made a sith assassin,despite rigorous and exponential training during his time under Sidious
I wonder if we'll ever see the return of the ancient original jedi (I know it spelled and pronounced differently but idk how to spell it) and this ancient order focused on real balance practicing both the light and dark side and if an individual would lean more to either side the others would bring them back to balance, but unfortunately a group of dark jedi eventually separated and they fought eventually leading to their exile where they would eventually turn into the sith and what remained would entually turned into the jedi we know today
*Video starts* Geetsly's, stop talking about their cool factor and start talking about their lore and stuff. "Operation Knightfall" and the 501st Legion are way more cooler in my opinion, though. Gotta love me some anti-magic Muggle ops.
If things from Star Wars Visions are ever canonized, then the Jedi from the Village Bride episode, referred to as "F", would likely have once been a Temple Guard or Sentinel, making her (and the Grand Inquisitor) the only survivor of that subclass. If they ever expand on that story, there could be some powerful character development with her trying to cope with the guilt of feeling as though she and her master should have and could have prevented the destruction of the Jedi Order by rooting out the Sith: guilt for having stayed strictly obedient to the Jedi Council's stand-down orders, when they could both tell something was amiss in the Republic's government. That story line could be told via flashbacks in a full length Village Bride movie, while "F" is observing the events unfolding (in the stand-alone episode) on her master's home world. She grapples with the devastation of the loss of her master and the aforementioned guilt, and ends up overcoming it to a degree, after which she briefly sees her master's force ghost, which reassures her of how proud he is of her. (Force Ghost disappears, the frame focusses on "F"'s feet and the ground, where a couple silent tears are seen falling.) Then she shows up to save the village people during their botched attempt to resist the pirates, which of course would be drawn out to be a full length battle scene. ...just an idea...
actually i don't understand why they never mobilized the sentinels after qui gon and obi wan had their encounter with darth maul even thought it was only 1 person they would've at least mobilized the sentinels since after that incident with quigon and maul there was multiple instances where dark side users and maul was seen and was in different instances was encountered by other jedis
Without people who uses the Dark side there can’t be balance. The Jedi were too many and stood in the way of the balance but were too arrogant to see that they were the problem. They were just too many lightside users. Perfect balance is when darkness and light are in balance with each other.
Honestly if they had let the sentinels actively look for Darth sidious they probably would have found him pretty fast since well, he was right in front of their faces😭😂😂or maybe it wouldn’t have gone that well cause Palpatine is a fucking genius
So the Jedi believed that sentinels are no longer necessary since there were no siths around. But there are bunch of other dark side users - the Dathomir witches for example. And they were quite powerful.
I keep getting confused when people bring up that the Grand Inquisitor betrayed the Jedi during Order 66. No sources that I have found have ever said this.
People keep asking why they never warned the Jedi Council when Palpatine probably came to the Temple for Senate Business and other Instances it's most likely do to this Arrogance they probably kept it to themselves or were blown off
2:02 Why do you think "correctly"? Effectively the compounding of the Sith by the "Rule of Two" brought about a far more dangerous entity for the galaxy. Even if the Sith were completely eliminated the force would naturally facilitate a new dark side entity. Once again if it were the only dark side being it would be immensely powerful.
Tell that to the grand inquisitor who was a sentinel. Sidious gave them an option, join or die because the jedi are dead and so is the republic. A portion refused and they were killed while others became inquisitors.
I wonder if it'll come to pass that other members of the Inqusitorious were sentials, be interesting to see the ratio of how many belonged to each subgroup of Jedi.
The history of Jedi Temple Guards seem to be one of failure. They failed to realize that Barriss Offee had turned to the dark side and allowed her to bomb the temple. The Jedi Temple Guards then got steamrolled by the 501st led by Anakin. They weren't even able to buy enough time to allow the escape of a significant number of the Jedi in the Temple. On the other hand, their yellow lightsabers, masks, and uniforms do look cool.
Ooh, we're talking about KotOR's Jedi classes. Do tell; I somewhat prefer Consulars though, since the diplomatic dialogues are interesting, but then again, it must be because of playthroughs of Deus Ex, Mass Effect, and Baldur's Gate.
Not specifically related but since there were so many pictures depicting it, the thought occurred to me that you really don't have to be too concerned if your opponent uses reverse grip and will likely be a short duel. If you're not sure why, take some form of a fencing class and find out! 🤣
So the "dark truth" was that they specialized in hunting dark side users, most of them worked in the temple, and some were converted to the dark side? I'm shocked.
I think that the reason why there arnt many left of the temple guard sentinals is because (plot twist) many hundred years ago the jedi order split. most guardians and consulars with a few sentinals setting up their order on courasant. the other jedi that broke away fled to the outer rim and beyond the darkness of space composed of mostly sentinals and a hand full of guardians and consulars to start a new jedi order because they sensed using the force that a great darkness would arise in the inner rim. I like to imagine a bustling jedi order in the deep space full of sentinals shielding thier existens from the sith and the jedi order on coursant.
At 02:07, you say, "The Jedi Order believed, correctly, that the dark side had to be completely eliminated to bring balance to the Force." This makes zero sense. That's like saying the back end of your vehicle must be completely eliminated in order for it to be balanced. Birds can't fly with only one wing. All throughout the story of Star Wars, the Jedi inevitably fail when they take such an absolute view of the force, as it cannot but make them myopic.
Think of the darkside like a sickness infecting the force, when you get sick you don't try too find the perfect balance between being healthy and unhealthy you try and find the cure.
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The Jedi Order has survived several thousands of years of war, and while many will say that it was the Jedi Knights and their courage and bravery that made it possible for the survival of the Order. In truth it was the Jedi Sentinels and their secretive nature that allowed for the Jedi Order survival. Several Jedi Purges have happen before, or Wars that depleted the ranks of the Jedi, but the Sentinels made it possible to secure both the knowledge and personnel of the Order.
In Legends, the Jedi have been driven to the brink of extermination several times, but each time, survivors were able to bring back the Jedi Order. As for if it is Jedi sentinels every time, I can't confirm.
Even if it wasn't the sentinels that were the ones who remade the order. What they did would of largely contributed to it since they were the first and last defense of the jedi
It was foolish for the Jedi hold back the Sentinels they could've used to track down CIS spies, find out who framed ahsoka, and maybe spy on some criminal organizations.
@@jamalalqassem8747 That because they weren't used. The Jedi council used non-sentinel knight for all the important investigations and generally kept the sentinels in house. That's a bad move. That's like not taking a guard dog out for walks or to play. They won't be practical. Pre-clone wars, it was like the best blades the Jedi had being slowly dulled while the other knights did the peacekeeping missions
It was a bit too late to train a new generation of members of a rare discipline within the order by the time the Clone Wars had started. By that time, the Sentinels were too few in number, their technique rusty from the peaceful years and had obligations to fulfill which others would not take. They had strayed from their original Sith hunting to the by then more common guarding of the temples and provably just plain weren't in any position to be deployed like during the old times anymore. Now, if they had maintained their numbers and original position... Yes: they'd provably have been able to do a LOT for the Order and the Republic, maybe even enough to grind Palps' plans to a halt. Jedi Sentinels, as per their Old Republic doctrines were, after all, the ones most suited to both oppose Sidious' schemes and survive post-Order 66.
Many sentinels were also relegated to the Jedi service corps. Yoda and other masters arrogantly believed them largely unnecessary, untrustworthy due to their focus on rooting out the Sith, or as lesser Jedi. Had there been more sentinels during the time of the Clone Wars it is likely that Palpatine would have failed.
I highly doubt, given what we know about Yoda, that he would look upon the sentinels as lesser Jedi and make decisions based on that. The council weren’t really aware of the extent of the threat until it was too late so it’s a bit unfair to call them arrogant for not using the sentinels.
@@muhtadialbandar9549 Well, Ki-Adi-Mundi believed the Sith to be extinct and says so in episode 1. In episode 2 Obi-Wan and Yoda discuss how arrogance is becoming a more common trait among Jedi, particularly the older ones. I do not think Yoda was above such arrogance either, but did recognize it in himself and tried to combat it. This is also showcased by the fall of Count Dooku to the Dark Side, who was Yoda's padawan. However, remember Yoda was over 900 years old. He was alive shortly after the final fall of the Sith, during the time of Darth bane. He and all the other Jedi since him had been raised to believe the Sith were gone. The primary job of the Sentinels was to root out the Dark Side. And, with the primary practitioners of the Dark Side gone, the Sith, there was no further need for most of the Sentinels. Also, because of their focus on practical knowledges, such as slicing, engineering, droid construction, etc., many Jedi Consulars and Guardians believed the Sentinels to not be as capable as Jedi Knights as they were; think of it like conflicting Chinese schools of martial arts within the order. What I am saying is this, if there had been more Jedi Sentinels around before the Clones Wars, then it would have made things very difficult for Palpatine and the other Sith; because there would have been more people looking for them. We can see that there were far less Sentinels around during the final years of the order; only a handful in comparison to the other two groups. This is evident by the legend and canon material.
@@jamalalqassem8747 Well, at that time there were no Sith within the Jedi Temple, with the exception of the very few times Chancelor Palatine came to visit; which was rare if ever. Also, there is a Dark Side nexus under the temple that aided in clouding the vision of the Jedi in the Temple. Traditionally most Jedi Sentinels, besides the Temple Guard who rotated their positions, spent the majority of their time outside of the Temple; so their vision wouldn't have been as clouded. As for the betrayal well, that happened after they were captured and subjected to Dark Side brainwashing and torture techniques, which happened to them after they watched the deaths of pretty much everyone in their order. So, they were already at a emotionally unstable state at that point most likely. Also, Sentinels weren't taken seriously by most of the Jedi during that time period; even as respected as the temple Guards were they were there to guard and been seen, not heard generally. The rest were kind of outcasts that lived on the fringes of the galaxy where the Council sent them; they couldn't be of much use out there. That's like putting the alarm system for your house on your neighbor's house that's ten doors down, and then wondering why it didn't go off when someone broke into your house.
If Anakin had survived his return to the Light, and therefore needed a new life support suit, I like to think his new suit would've been based on the armour and masks of Jedi temple guards.
@@alexissandoval1284 You know it's amazing how many people think it'd be a simple matter of "Oh, space Hitler doesn't want to be bad anymore let's welcome him with open arms." 😂😭
@@Werrf1 He'd have some form of device to help him breath sure and life support systems. but he certainly wouldn't be wearing anything you'd be willing to take into combat.
@@alexissandoval1284 I doubt that they’d be able to keep him in for long. He’s the most powerful force user ever and he is incredibly skilled with both the light and dark sides of the force.
@@justacryptid4687 Even so, he's most certainly a danger to them either way, that Holocron would've gone straight to the hands of a Sith if he hadn't been apprehended
When you were talking about how well they knew the Temple, I started imagining scenes where they'd ambush clones from places no one knew existed, wiping out entire squads and then disappearing once again waiting for more squads to enter these kill-zones. Vader noticed that the clones weren't able to progress past certain key areas in the Temple, and had to go clear them himself. I hate the canon explanation that the Grand Inquisitor killed all of them himself before the Temple raid even started - that sounds so boring.
@@supergoodadvice853 That's what I've been saying for years. There's no way that weak little fool can even handle the other guards. His position was a joke and Vader knew that.
@@kenpoarniceguy1 Even the librarian, who was such a weak physical fighter, was a match for him. Keep in mind that before it was reconned, her only fighting experience was getting yanked, and one hit by Anakin.
I hate that I don't get it. Although, comedy often eludes me. I remember the old commercials too as I'm nearly 40. I keep reading your comment. Idk ... ugh
@@paulreadsthebible6584 Oh nah it's just the timing that I got, a youtube ad for gilette played exactly the moment after he said that which is like "The new gilette razor blade is the reason almost no one was left" haha
@@RicardoPerez-rz8pu It's not on his eyes. They are above & below them while reaching other parts of his face. If you're unsure about what species im talking about, rewatch ROTS for Obi-wan talks to the Utapuan ministers & go on either Star Wars.com's Databank or Wookiepedia. You'll learn what the Grand Inquisitor is there.
I dont know, between bariss offee's bombing, the bounty hunter's attack, and even their failure against vader. A list of failures to protect the temple makes it likely they were in a period of severe decline.
They are trained to root out the dark side from beings trained in its use. Bariss didn't have the aura of a full dark side user due to her only recently harboring the beliefs and had yet to fully turn. They wouldn't have been able to so easily find her growing connection, and even if they could they wouldn't expect one of their own. The bounty hunter incident wasn't a failure so much as an oversight. The temple had security measures that were more than enough for most intruders. Bane was the most skilled bounty hunter in the Galaxy at the time, being second only to Jango before his death. The Vader point isn't viable. No amount of training would make them able to stand up to him in his rage. The only Jedi who stood a good chance against him at the Temple was the Battlemaster Cin Drallig, who himself was slain with relative ease.
HK-47 explained it best that sometimes jedi have a hard time detenting meatbag that deny or don't believe in the force and their skills in the force mostly work if they are actively searching for you of are in their eyesight.
Definitely. Pretty much they lost Dooku due to Qui Gon's death and then it all went downhill from there. Pong Krell turned to the dark side before he was killed, Quinlan Vos (though his circumstances were pretty extreme) turned also, Sora Bulq, Bariss Offee, and because of what she did caused Ahsoka to leave as well as the Jedi didn't protect or defend her the way they should have, though she didn't fall to the dark side, the Jedi guard later turned Grand Inquisitor, and then Anakin himself of course.
Except that they didn't. Sidious was a master at hiding his presence in the force and clouding the judgement of those around him. No one could detect the dark side in him while he focused on keeping it hidden.
actually, the jedi shadow subclass were the coolest, they were the ones who were actually dispatched to hunt down sith, sentinels are basically sentries of the order mostly used for temple security and intelligence purposes
I’ve also read in the Jedi Path Handbook that sentinels also learned practical skills outside of the force and among the civilian lives. With the discipline that the Force won’t have an answer for everything. I like that.
Aside from the Temple Guard Sentinels, there were also the Sentinel Watchmen. These were Jedi that often chose to spend their lives assigned to a very specific sector or planet. They would sometimes be vigilantees or reliable known figure-heads that stayed in one place and kept it safe from harm. Jedi Batman basically.
A story of a temple guard feeling the dark side on Coruscant during the clone wars, not being believed and turning mad would definitely be something I'd like to see or read. Like "well, if there were darksiders, surely the council or the other guards would have felt it" (which, as we know, thed didn't)
I never got how things would be balanced if the dark side was eliminated. If you put nothing on one side of a scale with weights on the other it isn't really balanced is it?
You're thinking of morality as a + - scale. You should be thinking of it as 0 to infinity instead. The glass is either full (balanced), or it's empty and you go thirsty (the dark side). You can't fill a glas with "negative water". Though the Force has many similarities to Taoism on surface level, the morality behind it matches Christian philosophy most of all. It's a kind of Syncretism of different philosophies, but the Jedi idea of balance follows most closely the Christian idea that evil itself has no real being or existance. The Dark side (evil) is only a corruption of good, or lack of good. Darkness is only the abscense of light. The color black is not actually a color (since it does not reflect light for you to see). Think of the Force as a piece of pottery with a pretty artwork painted on. The dark side represents cracks in the pot, holes or missing pieces. The dark side makes the artwork worn out and hard to see, the broken shards can be corrupted and used to do evil. The shards can be sharp and cut you, can be used to make arrow heads and weapons. You can't appriciate or see what the artwork is with shattered pieces of the puzzle/pot. The Force is balanced, pure and uncorrupted... when the pot is completely intact, without any cracks or signs of wear and it is used exactly as it was meant to be used: to be filled with water (life) and appriciate the complete artwork. It was not meant to be shattered into pieces to make arrow-heads or be corrupted in any other way. No dark side = intact pot, no corruption, the force is in balance.
@@diegoidepersia In Legends the time of the Je'daii was the most balanced because they taught that you needed both in balance. You couldn't lean too far to either side or you were banished till you learned to balance again. The planet they lived on depended on it. If it became unbalanced then it would be torn spart by storms.
Actually, Jedi Shadows (A subclass) were the ones who hunted Dark Siders down. Jedi Sentinels are just Jedi who mingle with the public and have non Force-using skills.
Yeah, I think he basically merged Sentinels and Shadows into one class here :/ Kind of messes some things up... Sentinels are either Temple Guards or Watchmen. Watchmen would often stick around at a certain city or planet and play Batman there. A pretty cool ideal that feels more down to Earth than the duties other Knights had. Instead of following whims of political conflict and missions handed out by the Council, they just go wherever they want and fuck up any criminal they can find, or continously keep exposed people safe from harm.
The channel is a bit weird since they use images from swtor a lot but tend to brush over or change details from it often and even just mispronounce things.
"As was the case with the Grand Inquisitor in Legends." Correction: Canon. The Grand Inquisitor in Legends doesn't have much background or description and, due to the nature of the Imperial Inquisition in Legends being essentially a secret agency of operatives recruited from various ranks of the Galactic Empire, it's not very likely the Grand Inquisitor in Legends was a Jedi Temple Guard/Jedi Sentinel, or a Jedi at all. Whereas, in canon, The Imperial Inquisition is almost exclusively made up of former Jedi who were repabled as brothers and sisters with various numbers in place of their names.
I’ve always liked jedi shadows the subgroup of sentinels. Super useful at anytime in galactic history and if more would have existed they could have stopped the sith or at least easier survive order 66 due to the nature of there training and missions
With many pointing how easily they failed to protect the temple in the clones wars, I think it's important to point out this was largely to do their lack of use. The number of sentinels was few and far between and often sent to random places that didn't really need their service. In the process of not actually being active, they had nothing to really hone their skills or test them, so even the few they had probably weren't actually that great as a result of the order never actually using them. They worked with their hands tied so much they probably lost most of their abilities that made them so strong.
