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When the spouse of a JLA member is brutally murdered, the entire super-hero community searches for the killer, fearing their own loved ones may be the next targets! But before the mystery is fully solved, a number of long-buried secrets rise to the surface, threatening to tear apart and divide the heroes before they can bring the mysterious killer to justice. Pick it up here: amzn.to/1FbI5HD Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #justiceleague
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@BrowncoatAllywang
@BrowncoatAllywang 9 лет назад
"We took your happiness and we raped it, killed it and set it on fire." - DC Comics Yep. Pretty accurate.
@Newarksfinest05
@Newarksfinest05 5 лет назад
Browncoat Alex so fucked up but funny ass phrase cuts that’s literally what they did lmao
@batfreeze56
@batfreeze56 5 лет назад
That's what I imagine Bendis saying in his pitch to age up Jonathan Kent.
@willsimbala4291
@willsimbala4291 2 года назад
@@Newarksfinest05 bbbb
@WWRITD
@WWRITD Год назад
Love ur username
@FloorTankMain
@FloorTankMain 5 лет назад
The conversation about Tim “telling his dad that he’s Robin” REALLY makes me want to send in the issues where Jack finds out that Tim’s Robin. Dude thinks Tim is doing drugs or in a gang so he tears his son’s room apart and finds the Robin costume. He then figures out that Bruce is Batman and goes to Wayne Manor with a gun. Shit was wild.
@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44
@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44 2 года назад
The early 2000s were fuckin wild
@dillongraham2475
@dillongraham2475 7 лет назад
Not to be that nerd lol but zatanna also made dr.light docile. The idea was that he was actually a viable threat before his mind was messed which explains him getting to the watchtower and the rape of sue. So the justice league not only wiped his mind but also decided to basically lobotomize him in sense to retcon why he's such a joke d-list villain in the comics
@ThePimpin51
@ThePimpin51 6 лет назад
Thank you for explaining that because that was a of the big plots of the story
@Nadodan
@Nadodan Год назад
@@ThePimpin51 It's also why Batman freaks out about it, like I'm sure Batman would have given a pass if they just wiped his memory of the event and how to get into the watchtower, but the league actively fucks up his brain in the process which is why Batman end's up getting freaked out an subsequently mindwiped
@williamtucker9497
@williamtucker9497 2 года назад
Boy this story actually stopped me from reading comics for 7 years because I was so mad at what they did to Ralph and Sue
@MrMrmuchies
@MrMrmuchies 8 лет назад
I'm Australian and i can confirm that only a person born and raised here can throw and have a boomerang return to them
@Kieransm09
@Kieransm09 8 лет назад
I too am an Australian and I can back up Mr Muchies' story
@hauntedconsol9379
@hauntedconsol9379 3 года назад
@@Kieransm09 um It’s MrMrMichaels
@JohnnyMalkavAlpha
@JohnnyMalkavAlpha Год назад
@@hauntedconsol9379 umm... It's MrMrMunchies...
@kingklank6732
@kingklank6732 9 месяцев назад
​@@JohnnyMalkavAlphaummm it's MrMrmuchies.
@Bobbybillybillbob
@Bobbybillybillbob 9 месяцев назад
​@Kieransm09 I am an American, and can also confirm this
@wk3820
@wk3820 5 лет назад
Heroes in Crisis reminds me a lot of Identity Crisis in that it takes superheroes to places where they aren't' meant to be, and the result is only to draw glaring attention to the silly aspects of the characters, thus undermining both the intended dramatic story and the characters themselves, perhaps irreparably. These kinds of stories are just a horrible idea.
@shauntempley9757
@shauntempley9757 3 года назад
Giving these kinds of stories to the supervillains would be a better approach. As good as DC's villains are, they need their own standalone stories, featuring them upfront.
@shauntempley9757
@shauntempley9757 3 года назад
@Darth Pancake Studios The biggest thing of these three is, if mind wiping Batman does not happen, how does Batman build Brother Eye and his position going into Infinite Crisis? Having that done by the Justice League to Batman is the most interesting consequence of this story, because his responses to that is THE Batman thing to do.
@billybob-bj3nw
@billybob-bj3nw 8 лет назад
I have the cover with all the heroes' hung up suits. Absolutely love that cover
@MM14JR
@MM14JR 3 года назад
Sal discussing Mr Miracle: "Life is a trap" Sal had the idea behind Tom King's Mr Miracle run years before it was written
@moartv0112
@moartv0112 9 лет назад
Life is a trap. But Hal Jordan is going to fall for it any time now.
@csr1389
@csr1389 9 лет назад
Batman needs to shove Mr. Miracle into one of the Atoms suits and keep him in his utility belt. Talk about always being prepared.
@LMGamesToTheMax
@LMGamesToTheMax 9 лет назад
Isn't this the book where Deathstoke just kicks everyone's ass at once and then they have to all pin him down so that Green Arrow could stab him in his bad eye? Also shame on you, not all Aussies are convicts, we needed to send people to monitor the convicts over there too.
@hookerlegs106
@hookerlegs106 6 лет назад
Yes.
@nicholashodges201
@nicholashodges201 3 года назад
Deathstroke was kicking the ever loving $h!t out of 2 JLA members a once, GA climbed onto his back and stabbed his bad eye so they could get away. It was one of those situations were they literally walked around a corner into a Deathstroke fight.
@austineaton2646
@austineaton2646 8 лет назад
Is it a coincidence that elongated man(who can stretch) is partners with a girl named Sue and Mr Fantastic(who can also stretch) has a wife named Sue???!!
@TheWazzoGames
@TheWazzoGames 7 лет назад
Illuminati Confirmed.
@Scandal262
@Scandal262 6 лет назад
Pretty sure elongated man started as a parody. Not sure though
@michaelfrench3789
@michaelfrench3789 6 лет назад
Probably not. The Dibney's are about a year older than the Fantastic 4 and Marvel and DC do have a tendency to copy each other a lot
@wk3820
@wk3820 5 лет назад
Though Kirby came up with the FF under direct orders from Stan Lee to make their version of the Justice League, surely this is just coincidence. The couples have almost nothing in common except the stretching power. It's not really another "Doom Patrol/X-Men" thing.
@OreoBrawl
@OreoBrawl 8 лет назад
Meanwhile, Linkara is somewhere gritting his teeth
@anime-comicnerd7371
@anime-comicnerd7371 7 лет назад
OreoBrawl facts
@circuit4230
@circuit4230 6 лет назад
That's because it's a review and not bitching.
@OreoBrawl
@OreoBrawl 6 лет назад
Circuit 42 This is a long synopsis with witty banter. Linkara sometimes gets a little....passionate about stuff he likes.
@circuit4230
@circuit4230 6 лет назад
I understand that. We actually interviewed him on my channel. His work does serve as evidence of why it's good to have people to play off of.
@fredbushee9161
@fredbushee9161 9 лет назад
You know who has trap powers? Admiral Akbar....dude can spot a trap anywhere
@ryebreadreturn1
@ryebreadreturn1 9 лет назад
Yeah immediately after it's been sprung on him. Admiral Akbar? More like Admiral Obvious.
@oliverwilkes3996
@oliverwilkes3996 7 лет назад
Rip Admiral
@craigamore2319
@craigamore2319 5 лет назад
Until he was unceremoniously dispatched so we could see flying Leia!!
@Anthintendo
@Anthintendo 2 года назад
I think went talking about Mister Miracle, you should lead with: “So he grew up on Apokolips, and Darkseid kept throwing him into harder and harder to escape prisons, and he kept breaking out.”
@MrDegenerate28
@MrDegenerate28 9 лет назад
So wait The Atom ex wife did all of this just to get him back? she could have just called and plan a date or something....you superheroes sure know how to pick em 0_o
@michaelsayavong2656
@michaelsayavong2656 4 года назад
It would have been much easier if she, you know just talk to him about it. Instead of this over elaborate mind game, that killed at least 4 people.
@micahsantander4754
@micahsantander4754 4 года назад
@@michaelsayavong2656 it killed six people: sue, her baby, the two guys that make firestorm, jack, and boomerang. Also, the plan did work so ... ends justify the means?
@rodney2x48
@rodney2x48 8 лет назад
I honestly dislike this story. It has some really interesting points, like the mind whipping dilemma and some character interactions, but stuff like Sue being raped, the whole thing being swept under the rug and then killed off so horribly was just too much, then Doctor Light being turned a rapist asshole, Tim Drake's dad being killed and just... There's a lot of pointless killing in this.
@JoshMunroe
@JoshMunroe 9 лет назад
I love the slow zoom on Ben at 8:34. It's the little details that make these videos just... just a delight!
@dieboyandy5150
@dieboyandy5150 5 лет назад
I always get nostalgic watching this episode, as it is the very FIRST episode I ever saw of Back Issues, I IMMEDIATELY subscribed and have never been happier!!! Thank you for getting me through the work week, and I absolutely LOVE this story, its also, ironically enough, the first comic to get me back into modern comics after the early 2000's (a.k.a., Funeral for a comic friend!). I love you guys, keep up the laughs!!!
@tylerdurden788
@tylerdurden788 3 года назад
Blackest night got me back in
@brothaman612
@brothaman612 9 лет назад
Tim Drake (Robin) did have a confrontation, well kinda set up Capt. Boomerang's son in the final issue of the Robin series before Flashpoint crisis...Tim has been ruined ever since...
@TheShockVox
@TheShockVox 6 лет назад
Flashpoint did indeed fuck up Tim. He's the reason I got into comics. Buuuuut Detective Comics sort of returned his old origin story back the way it was.
@flywheelshyster6549
@flywheelshyster6549 9 лет назад
"that's a miracle, BOOM!" this is one of the funniest so far, in fact, and this is probably due to my being a marvel fan, the episodes when they go over DC craziness are just hilarity abound. in fact, i'm happy to learn about DC only from their comedic deconstruction of it.
@lewaproductions
@lewaproductions 9 лет назад
Is that where Ethan was? Throwing boomerangs? God damnit Ethan everyone knows that only Aussies can use them!!
@TheGreatDevlin
@TheGreatDevlin 4 года назад
Ben and Ethan reacting to what they do to Batman is perfect 🤣
@RandmVision
@RandmVision 8 лет назад
part of the reason that he talked to her at the end was because i believe arrow told him, when we die we can hear you...talk to her she's listening . but yeah i really enjoyed this book, sad as it was it was very well done.
@DoctorKnow00
@DoctorKnow00 8 лет назад
Identity Crisis is a terrible book because of all the retcons and OOC actions. Like Civil War at Marvel, Identity Crisis' story only works (and I use that term loosely) because the writer and editor disregarded continuity in order to push their own agenda.
@xkabuto
@xkabuto 2 года назад
OMG, this was the saddest thing I ever watched on youtube! I literally cried with the description of the ending.
@ArtsyTLF
@ArtsyTLF 9 лет назад
When the OG Captain Boomerang came back in Blackest Night, Tim basically set up a deathtrap to kill him. He stopped it at the last moment
@TheDVDGrouch
@TheDVDGrouch 9 лет назад
Great episode guys I was riveted the whole way through One of the highpoints of convergence for me was getting to see Ralph & Sue back & happy again. You know just in time for DC ton continue to ignore them for the rest of the foreseeable future. There was also a great Judd Winick Green Arrow story where Ollie went up against rape crazy Dr.Light. Also the whole mind wiping villains stuff would eventually lead to one of my favorite Team books the Secret
@henriquez199
@henriquez199 9 лет назад
Yay Joel's here.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 9 лет назад
ComicPOP! Great review guys
@genshishio9316
@genshishio9316 9 лет назад
TheDVDGrouch please don't bring up convergence. it hurts me
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 9 лет назад
TheDVDGrouch convergence in my opinion at least the main series was a complete train wreck of a series in my opinion
@henriquez199
@henriquez199 9 лет назад
Tevya Smolka it's funny that Grant Morrison's multiversity felt grander in scale and actually stuck the landing. Oh man, can you imagine a back issues on multiversity?!
@zorobusonora
@zorobusonora 9 лет назад
You guys have no idea how long I've been waiting for this probably since the first week I found this channel and binge watched your shows a year ago great job guys
@gamehead2893
@gamehead2893 6 лет назад
This was a super good review. Thanks for doing this. This broke down things others haven't touched
@smithysforge5309
@smithysforge5309 3 года назад
I love the amount of shade thrown at Guy Gardner. Best way I can describe Guy is he's an asshat but he's a guy you want in your corner. Let's face it, he's too dumb to feel fear
@jaredmborden
@jaredmborden 9 лет назад
I'm gonna have to track you guys down at a con or something so I can meet you before you get mega famous. If that creeps you out a little you're a survivor... and I respect that. I love everything you guys have on your channel.... all of it. Thanks for the effort and the engaging content.
@gdgiannini
@gdgiannini 8 лет назад
This might be my favorite episode of Back Issues. Hilarious and really fun to watch. Thanks guys.
@shaddowrealm
@shaddowrealm 9 лет назад
There's an issue between Tim and boomerang and Tim is pissed at the boomerang and he doesn't know why (because he doesn't know Tim's identity) it's really cool it's right after the one year later thing in DC
@genevievebertolet2909
@genevievebertolet2909 7 месяцев назад
"This would inspire the OMAC project, and, with it, Infinite Crisis. The OMAC project's another thing we're not gonna get into. Thankfully, it has nothing to do with this except everything." Comics, ladies and gentlemen.
@Mojo_Gojo_Casa_Domain
@Mojo_Gojo_Casa_Domain 9 лет назад
Finally! I've been waiting for this one!
@NerdGasims
@NerdGasims 9 лет назад
So since this happened between two other crisis's would this be DC's midlife crisis? Great video as always guys and nice to see something else by good ol Rags. Just the most unlikely name for a comic book artist, seems like a jazz or blues player.
@shaddowrealm
@shaddowrealm 9 лет назад
Great episode guys :) love it as always
@interregnum_
@interregnum_ 9 лет назад
Slipped a little Princess Bride in there, Ben. Very good.
@Spydirmonki
@Spydirmonki 9 лет назад
Great episode, as usual. Watched with my Mrs., her face really mimicked Ben's during the Hal Jordan summary, it was hilarious. Wasn't there also some reprogramming of Dr. Light, like changes to his personality? I thought that was the big controversy, but I could be wrong. DC makes my eyes cross sometimes...
@hyaena23
@hyaena23 7 лет назад
this is my favorite episode of back issues. I always come back to watch it. btw it looks like sal has wings:)
@mitchbray6637
@mitchbray6637 5 лет назад
I loved this story. I remember having a fight with my dad when he bought this for me and I remember getting to issue five and tears started streaming down my face.
@kaotikguy
@kaotikguy 7 лет назад
It's been months since I saw this video and I go back to it every now and then because I LOVE the reaction to Batman getting mind wiped.
@MrJakekunz
@MrJakekunz 9 лет назад
Love the show, as always!
@roccoborghetti4693
@roccoborghetti4693 5 лет назад
I actually had to read this for a criminal justice class two years ago. Whats funny is that everyone in the class had the trade but I brought in all my floppies from 2004😂
@danielthenorwegianguy
@danielthenorwegianguy 6 лет назад
Deathstroke is Batman + Captain America in Villain form. Uses 90% of his brain, have undergone the DC equivalent of the Super soldier serum giving him enhanced strength, speed and regeneration. His healing factor is not like Wolverine level, but he’s functionally immortal
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 9 лет назад
What does it say about the story when an outsider gets choked up while listening to someone else describing a scene from it? Seriously though, that last scene with Ralph, good God.......
@Akumaranger
@Akumaranger 9 лет назад
Whenever this story comes up I just have to give it a long sigh. I was intrigued by the murder mystery and the League's mind-wiping revelation as in the early-half of the story, but after the murderer reveal and it's whole resolve I immediately dislike this book. I think my problem is that I blame this story for being part of the reason of DC going; "Dark, gritty, and gory is what sells, let's do more of that." BTW, I have no problem with this kind retcon, only the parts for what it does to characters' like Sue Dibny.
@devinamendez9709
@devinamendez9709 9 лет назад
great show as always. Can you guys talk about the OMAC project please?
@TheOnlyRagsMorales
@TheOnlyRagsMorales 9 лет назад
Nice job. Thanx!
@theredknite
@theredknite 9 лет назад
This is the second time Sal's description gave me the feels when talking about the ending of a book. First being Last Son
@shaneyvincent
@shaneyvincent 8 лет назад
18:58 "life is a trap" - Sal
@EtcEtcEtcFilms
@EtcEtcEtcFilms 5 лет назад
Rewatching this and 18:49 in, Sal off handedly predicts King and Gerads entire Mister Miracle run LOL.
@troykennen5208
@troykennen5208 8 лет назад
So if Firestorm nicks his face shaving he blows up? Or gets a papercut? His greatest nemesis is any remotely sharp object...
@theautisticguitarist7560
@theautisticguitarist7560 6 лет назад
The Amazing Incredibly Fragile Man!!
@ZiggyGamma
@ZiggyGamma 9 лет назад
It's funny I was just looking at the video you guys got the book maybe I need to start watching old videos over and over again
@chrisbrewer4243
@chrisbrewer4243 9 лет назад
I would like to see yall do one on Final Crisis and hear your thoughts on Grant Morrison! !
@justc82able
@justc82able 9 лет назад
WHAT!?!? They killed Nora, and right out the gate. I guess i should have watched the entire video before I posted that last comment. I hate this crisis.
@gdgiannini
@gdgiannini 7 лет назад
Still my favorite episode.
@sportbilly2008
@sportbilly2008 6 лет назад
My favourite tie in comic book is Flash Vol. 2 217 'Here lies Captain Boomerang', which is a Identity Crisis tie in book. An introduced me to the Geoff John's version of the Rogues. Which are my favourite version.
@cklambo
@cklambo 10 месяцев назад
My fave scene in the story is the short conversation between Ollie, Carter, Wally & Kyle in the church.
@TobiasTheWolf
@TobiasTheWolf 3 года назад
14:05 lol love the reaction
@estebanhughell709
@estebanhughell709 9 лет назад
Memory man reminds me of that mutant in the House of M.
@alfiehagan438
@alfiehagan438 9 лет назад
I liked firestorm before I read comics. Actually a lot of people like him now since the flash TV show.
@chancylvania
@chancylvania 4 года назад
I have a trade version of this that has the michael turner art of the suits all hung up as the cover
@Xer0sama
@Xer0sama 7 лет назад
The best part of this was Ben taking in Hal Jordan's character arc. Emerald Twilight/ Emerald Dawn needs to happen soon.
@evagrius3818
@evagrius3818 6 лет назад
They finally did
@ItsOver9000Productions
@ItsOver9000Productions 9 лет назад
YESSSSS!! BACK ISSUES BABY!!!!
@leosanalien9904
@leosanalien9904 8 лет назад
Haha, the book's emotional impact on me is far heavier on me
@MikeDo_0
@MikeDo_0 9 лет назад
'Life is a trap' lolololol
@danthefan28
@danthefan28 8 лет назад
8:45 watch out his brain is about to explode!
@TommyBaysMusic
@TommyBaysMusic 3 года назад
Ive watched this several times and am just now noticing the wings coming out of sal's neck. 😂😂
@bryanadkins6776
@bryanadkins6776 4 года назад
"You don't mindwipe Batman!"
@justmebeingme8370
@justmebeingme8370 2 года назад
That Mister Miracle shade hurts 😁
@Thrui
@Thrui Год назад
I always talk about this collection when I'm telling people how badass Deathstroke is because of his fight with the Leaguers. Also, Ralph crying over Sue and his powers making him look a like his face was melting was soooo dang sad
@chrisd7562
@chrisd7562 9 лет назад
Capt Boomeranged Jr ends up being a good guy and bangs Supergirl check out her book the Kara zor el supergirl
@aviatordanz
@aviatordanz 6 лет назад
The was a Robin story where him and young boomerang do a team up story in the Robin comic.
@sombrashadow0013
@sombrashadow0013 9 лет назад
Sal: Not before Doomsday kicks him into the pavement. Ethan: oooh Sal: Yeah, it was awesome. Funniest line in this episode!
@shaddowrealm
@shaddowrealm 9 лет назад
I'm Australian and the stuff about boomerangs cracked me up it was amazing
@wannabewriter1346
@wannabewriter1346 9 лет назад
PLEASE DO THE OMAC STORYLINE
@Amadeo78
@Amadeo78 9 лет назад
Why do they hate Sue so much? She never hurt anybody.
@NaturallyUrs
@NaturallyUrs 9 лет назад
Ha! Bought this off google play not too long ago. Awesome!
@oatmat
@oatmat 9 лет назад
Uh they also changed his personality thats what was suppose to be Controversial
@dragonmares59110
@dragonmares59110 9 лет назад
It was strange to see Sal with little angel wings while watching this !
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 4 года назад
The meme was born here. It happened here. I watched it happen, I saw it happen. Don’t tell me it didn’t happen!
@nemesis3587
@nemesis3587 9 лет назад
A little mistake Sal, Shadow Thief killed Firestorm not Shade, Shade is different guy.
@Keinish79
@Keinish79 2 года назад
Mr. Miracle v/s Arcade, that would totally be a fun crossover.
@crunson2000
@crunson2000 9 лет назад
ComicPOP! Holy crap! The conspiracy theory guy from "Brad Meltzer's Decoded" on the History channel writes comics?!
@Betoven81
@Betoven81 8 лет назад
the guy on the left...I love that shirt! where can I get one ?
@comicpop
@comicpop 8 лет назад
Their names are at the beginning of every episode.
@Betoven81
@Betoven81 8 лет назад
+ComicPOP! lol yo..Sal, Ben, Ethan...love the videos. Doing a little ComicPop binge watching
@omar_ogd
@omar_ogd 9 лет назад
hahahahahah that ben face xD 8:35
@BBmetalhead04
@BBmetalhead04 9 лет назад
The explanation of Mister Miracle just killed me. lol
@justc82able
@justc82able 9 лет назад
A High Society mystery solving couple? Just like Nick and Nora Charles from The Thin Man (My favorite movie of all time). I am loving Identity Crisis so far.
@fearloathingingeneral2877
@fearloathingingeneral2877 Год назад
18:55.......... Well there you go. The answer to MISTER MIRACLE by Tom King
@oscarrivas6879
@oscarrivas6879 9 лет назад
Back issues on a Wednesday!?! Fuck yeah!
@brandonhines25
@brandonhines25 9 лет назад
Pls do the Justice League Mortal script next!!!!
@FloorTankMain
@FloorTankMain 8 лет назад
Tim Drake hates the new Captain Boomerang and is furious that Nightwing lets him join The Outsiders, but he gets over it. He postures and threatens the guy a bit, but Captain Boomerang has no idea why Robin hates him so much. Someone's probably told you this by now, but just in case :) Also, Jack finds out about Robin by tearing Tim's room apart and finding the costume. Then he goes to Wayne manor, threatens Alfred to let him into he Batcave, and pulls a gun on Bruce before he takes his son home and forbids him from being Robin. Like you said, he gets over that later. Mostly because Tim gets so unbelievably twitchy every time something happens on the news and Tim gives up his promise and goes out, anyway. Jack finally just gives up since he can't stop him.
@creed8712
@creed8712 6 лет назад
The big point of why the memory thing was immoral wasn't because they make the villains forget, most everyone was ok with that. What was immoral was that they changed his personality to make him less evil (which is basically the equivalent of a mystic lobotomy) then the whole thing with Batman and them and yeah...I just thought that was important and I'm sorta upset you didn't mention that but you did get the point across but Idc
@animationunlimited2958
@animationunlimited2958 4 года назад
Dr. Light is not excatly a D list villain. In fact in his original story he almost tok over the world and next to Deathstroke he was for a long time a main antagonist of the New Teen Titans.
@therealmanos
@therealmanos 4 года назад
I love how Jean brought a flame thrower...JUST IN CASE!
@WillCHensley
@WillCHensley 9 лет назад
OH NO SAL! LOOKS LIKE YOUR GONNA "TRASH" DC... AGAIN! (Just kidding, obviously.)
@gevdarg
@gevdarg 2 месяца назад
Deathstroke's first origin was best - Captain America who uses 90% of his brain's capacity.
@TheGreatDevlin
@TheGreatDevlin 7 лет назад
I feel like DC doesn't understand just how the recurring joke of "DC has another crisis coming" can help them. If things are going to be reset even partially every few years, why not go balls to the walls? Kick Bruce Wayne, destroy Atlantis, shave Wonder Woman's. All with the knowledge that none of this has to stay cannon with a ten-year (five-year) crisis ever approaching.
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