The Daytona 500 That Changed Everything: Speedweeks 1988 

They say days of thunder was partially based on Tim Richmond. I say about 10% of that is true.

@@charlenemarcks7483 I want a biopic about him or something like Ford vs Ferrari that focuses on his struggles with Aids in 87

There is a 30 for 30 on him but a movie would be really cool

A biopic about him would be very cool and interesting

@@jamiedoughty6703 I would love to see it too, including the aftermath after his death.

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@sticklift yeah. He's got that.

There's a lot of famous jimmy Johnsons out there.

Same. 11-11-2020

I was today's years old?

Yeah, and of that whole season. Had he not gotten hurt, Bobby might have raced beyond '88 even into '92 when his son was racing at Yates.

Evan Williams Davey Allison was drive for Harry Ranier racing team from 1987 to 1993 era

Jeffrey Robertson Robert Yates bought the Ranier team in 1988.

Mitch Brown I enjoyed listen scene Vault podcast interview Harry Rainier son Lorin Ranier about Davey Allison in 1987

@@evanwilliams6406 I think bobie woulda raced another 5 years an got 5 to 10 more wins an coulda won a championship.he was capable

And for Indycar too!

Vint Varner a lot of us do my man. Both Olds and Pontiac got shut down when GM decided that having the Chinese design and manufacture cars was a good idea. And buick is 100% Chinese, with only a few crossovers remaining in the brand. Besides the camaro, GM has nothing to run in nascar. And I suspect they will pull out of the big leagues in the next few years without having anything to compete in racing. The mighty fell a decade ago. Its just taking a while to catch up with them. The days of having multiple brands on the track is long gone. And as long as these big companies keep holding these nameplates hostage, they will never return.

Say thank you Toyota for buying NASCAR and pushing Dodge out.

Agree 100% miss my pontiacs

@@Lrules364 Olds was shutdown because it was a repetitive brand that stole sales from other GM brands. Pontiacwas shutdown as part of a restructuring and GM needing to reduce the amount of brands. Olds was shutdown a decade before Pontiac and the plan to wind down Olds was started in the early 90s. Pontiac was originally going to be rebranded as a niche performance brand (akin to Dodge is mostly now) but that idea fell through. Oddly enough Pontiac sales were actually on the upswing at the time of their closure. Buick sells very well in China but are not Chinese designed. Most Buicks in the last decade or so have either been rebadged European cars (the regal was just an Opel Insignia) or just badge engineered versions of other GM vehicles.

@@CamaroAmx incorrect. Oldsmobile was shut down after 1999 when the GM-China deal was signed. GM no longer needed an American brand to design and build all of their vehicles, when the chinese would do it for half the cost and double the profit. That move would send them straight into bankruptcy. They wasted billions destroying factories and paying out pensions. Pontiac was destroyed by the corrupt and incompetent obama admins. The brand was planned to survive the bankruptcy scandal and live on to build muscle cars and coupes. The brand sold well for years, and was doing well once again right before the bankruptcy. But once obama and his 2 head czars heard about this, they demanded the brand be shut down. Why? Chinese money. Thats why. Buick, their second worst selling US brand at the time, above hummer, was allowed to live because of how much money they made in China. And so, the great move to China began in 2010. The days of opel being badge jobbed into a buick are now long gone. Opel has been sold to the PSA group. Even then, 3 chinese crossovers have been part of that lineup for the better part of a decade. You can claim 'made in the USA' all you want, the fact is that these crossovers and cars are manufactured overseas, and shipped here on boats either complete, or ready for assembly. Buick hasn't been American for over a decade. And "new GM" still owes the American tax payer $10 billion, which isn't including interest. And we will likely never see that money thanks to the back door deal made by obams and his cronies.

That’s why they added hood and roof flaps which work most of the time.

Earnhardt complained constantly about anything and everything. Tires, Ford, Aero, Restrictor Plates, he bitched all of the time. If you claim Rusty, Gordon, and Busch cried, then Earnhardt cried too, more than most.

@@jasonwiggins6137 maybe because he knew what was right, and what wasn't right.

@@watchgoose That's fine, but you can't call others cry babies for doing the exact same thing. Earnhardt fans have always been hypocrites.

jason wiggins And he was right. He predicted the demise of NASAR’s popularity as far back as 1997 because of the direction that they were heading. He was also right about the tires. Goodyear tires sucked in comparison to Hoosier but Hoosier didn’t have the money to grease the palms of NASCAR.

jason wiggins you sound like a fan of the rainbow warriors...............gay

totally fits the bill

Checks out.

Perfect casting.

Watch him in Dallas Buyers Club. It can definitely work.

I can totally see that.

Tyler Singer Testify!!

Matt Kostuch yeah now the sport seems too gimmicky this time was much more straightforward

Just wait til next year. Swapping to a six speed with paddles.

Matt Kostuch When is NASCAR coming to Niagara Falls CANADA they built a track 5 years ago

@@TheA53ford i am 99% we are NOT DOING THAT Why would ever do that

Nascar knows what they need for good racing but they just dont

Robert Burke Same here in Australia V8 supercar We have the Bathurst 1,000 kilometre race It was once a production car race that everyone would stop and watch , well almost everyone

I suppose it doesn't matter anymore we don't make a car in Australia now

@@neilrevhead9941 They were at least doing it right, didn't they pull a body off the assembly line and make it a race car?

Tbf Gen 4 cars didn't have much brand recognition anyway, they were just molded and twisted (sisters) metal

That Oldsmobile was hot. What a great looking race car.

skittlecar1 only 4 manufacturer brand GM 10 front wheel drive replace GM G-Body rear wheel drive Chevrolet Lumina until 1990 Follow by Buick Regal introduced in 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass introduced in 1988 and Pontiac Grand Prix introduced in 1988 aerodynamic shape horizontal 10° rear spoiler one 1/8 restrictor plate underneath carburetor top speed range between Daytona and Talladega car 195 to 200 miles per hour dangerzone NASCAR Winston Cup Series

Looked pretty good in that 21, too.

@@skittlecar1 To me it was more aerodynamic than that Buick Allison won with. Still can't believe that car was that fast, must have been all motor.

I like to see a story about Cale's win in 1983.

it was my 2nd. i was 6 and still have vivid memory of petty rolling along the wall.

Yeah he was alright.

Me too...the good old days.

I was a little young to remember him in Nascar then, but I remember him in the mid/later 90s for a lot of dirt bike stuff.

Damn. I DON'T miss Ken Squier or Chris Econamaki.

@@davidschmude, I had not realized how bad Squier was until I started watching old CBS race coverage. Damn motor-mouth, routinely missing track action because he's so enamored with the sound of his own voice. Reminds me of the utter morons found on nearly any pursuit video.

Plates were necessary at the time. Safety was still lagging too far behind.

Indeed they just plain closed down a big dirt track in California after a massive crash and reduced it to a 3/8 mi for the safety factor.

I may be wrong but I'd say no splitter and teams with different spoiler angles made the racing different from today's. With many different suspension set ups no 2 cars had the same amount of air under the car. That and a huge difference in spoiler angle made 'stock' cars infinitely adjustable areo wise.

There seemed to be little to know pushing as well. I say get rid of the plates, and let them spread out a little bit, maybe getting more slingshots. Those are very fun to watch.

Never understood why instead of plates NASCAR didn't mandate a smaller less powerful (daytondega) engine. It would fix the pack problem straight away.

@@mikeflash4461 pull a number out of a hat when you unload. Pull the push rods on that cylinder.

@@mikeflash4461 they did that in the early 70s when they switched from big blocks to small blocks which worked fine until the cars got smaller in the early 80s and engine technology got better.

I'd be scared shitless if I was anywhere near that thing.

@@freddymarcel-marcum6831 I can imagine the adrenaline rush would have been crazy though haha (knowing everyone was essentially ok). I'd have some more beers after that for sure!

Those tracks are where a front row seat does not interest me a bit. Put me up a way so I can see more and be farther from the shrapnel and debris zone.

Nino Nuccio id be disappointed, yes. But not completely turned off by the rule changes. The rule changes these days are so bad that they have determined the outcome of an entire season before the 'chase' even starts. Its pointless to bother racing.

had that car landed in the stands nascar wouldnt even exist today

@@NickyD It would absolutely still exist. How many spectators and drivers have died in the INDY series since that Bobby Allison crash happened and yet INDY still exists today? Shit happens, it's part of the sport. Every measure is taken to ensure safety but motor sports will always be dangerous. That's why it says right on the ticket you purchase to attend an event that you waive all liability on the track and the series because you willfully chose to attend a potentially dangerous event.

@@ironpanther2420 Remember when Petty killed a kid back in 65 when he boycotted NASCAR for banning his hemi and went drag racing in a hemi Barracuda ? NHRA is still around.

I don’t mind changes if it’s good. But if it’s a change that is not racing related and has non-racing gimmicks, the Motorsports fans like myself have the rights to complain

If I'm not mistaken wasn't that the only turbo charged engine in the sport and that's because it was production off the assembly line big horsepower but not reliable for the most part because of high temperature that it puts out

@@sillygoose2508 They never ran the turbo in NASCAR. They did in IndyCar.

@@skittlecar1 really because I can't seeing it putting out enough horsepower to compete without the turbo and I remember the insignia of the Buick V6 witch implied it was turbocharged I don't know the maximum cubic inches allowed for that time but that had to be a big bored engine to compete the local track back in the day I used to go to would give you a 200 pound advantage if you was running a V6 but that was normally aspirated and on more than one occasion on a hot August night that weight different could be a good thing still could have thought they were turbocharged

Yes this would be a very interesting topic.

@@skittlecar1 What v6 would ever push enough power to run 200MPH without a turbo?

Swervan' Irvan

I was laughing when I heard that too.....was expecting him to be driving an econoline van lol

It just goes to show it matters not how simple a name is, that someone will manage a way to goober it up. Mine has 3 syllables so it's expected to be messed up by people, but come ON Irvan is not a tongue twister.

Ken Squire also struggles with “garage area” in his time reporting. He always added an extra “r”. “Gararge area” 😂

Swerven Irvan

SIR CHARLIE and boredom.

Worse Coronavirus imported and spread so now we can't even watch the races while we're in isolation. Sheesh. Can we ask all the local small tracks to send race videos to CBS, and all the other networks that might play them for us. We're starving here.

I was 5 then and Richmond was already my favorite driver (besides Richard petty). I didn’t understand why he wasn’t racing at the time. Rusty became my favorite driver after that. Never liked Earnhardt ever (didn’t like Gordon either). Already knew waltrip was an asshole (he still is when he’s not camera from what I’ve heard).

Never heard much about the guy. Most of went bankrupt in short time. There was anther lottery winner who fielded a truck in the NASCAR truck series a few years ago. Never heard much about the team after a couple of races.... money doesn’t equal success.

@@CamaroAmx Who said anything about "success", besides you.

Second fastest way? Steal the Space Shuttle and sell the scrap out of it.

Cameramen back in these days had balls of steel. Never took his eyes off the action. :)

@Power5 Yeah, and sitting in the back of the car like that, really good :p

@@MarkPentler lol

Joking aside remote camerawork isn’t as easy as it looks. Better hope you’ve no lag or you’ll never line up a shot!

I never got him I got Sr and Kulwicki

@@kyleshiflet9952 You have to win nearly all the Lightning Challenges to get him, he the second to last legend you unlock in those games(he's either before or after Tiny Lund). You are in the beginning stages. You need complete the other challenges, on NT2003 you need to take stability off for some of the advanced challenges so you can reel the leading driver in and then turn it back on to try to finish the challenge. That's how I won the majority of the tougher challenges.

@@evanwilliams6406 oh ok

Ikr, Especially when you hear the drivers opinions about the restrictor plate.

I understand why he didn't admit it. His career would've been over immediately and he knew it. He worked his entire life to get to that point and for it to be over in the blink of an eye is a hard pill to swallow. Also, just like other people didn't understand AIDS at that time, neither did Tim. For all he knew he could beat it in a few months and be back to normal in no time. In hindsight it's easy to disagree with him and vice versa but I understand both sides of the issue.

There was so much homophobia and stigma surrounding HIV/AIDS, no way could he have admitted it.

It's easy to forget just how little we knew about AIDS in the late 80's. It literally was a death sentence at that time, and yes, there was great stigma to admitting you had it, because it was quite terrifying. Remember, other than knowing it was transmitted sexually, the general public knew almost nothing else besides the name. The stigma around AIDS at that time had nothing to do with homophobia, and everything to do with fearing death by incurable disease.

But again, think of the times. Kokomo a year prior ran Ryan White out of town because he had AIDS. AIDS was seen as a “gay disease”. Freddie Mercury had to hide his AIDS diagnosis at that time period. Imagine Tim Richmond coming out as having AIDS in a sport largely dominated by those from the Southeast. And it’s strongest support being from that region of the country too. A relatively safe assumption to make would be Richmond’s career being done for regardless of what he did. NASCAR did him VERY dirty, no doubt about it, but his career was probably toast regardless of what happened or what he did.

Can you tell us why Tim Richmond needed to spill his medical records to the public for NASCAR? They thought he was on drugs and INVENTED a drug test rule with him in mind and he passed it, after the false-positive THEY created. Having accomplished proving he was drug free, they then demand his medical records too. Had he provided them there'd be another hurdle waiting I'm sure. My point is driving a race car is not a sport where you would contaminate other competitors with bodily fluids, don't you think?

Without those restrictions there would have been a car already in the stands before the 90s started. Yeah I hate them. I'm a screw driver safety kinda guy. But these are spectators. Children in those stands.

Sure, it works. Works great. Best it's been since 1979.

I say let em run

Makes you wonder how that guy would pronounce the word BALL, or Johnson.

@@CertainlyCaro safety became a big concern, especially after Earnhardt’s, Adam petty’s and Alexander’s deaths. In a 3 month time span we lost 4 drivers. Unfortunately safety costs a lot of money. Plus the most bespoke the cars are, the harder it is to cheat. But bespoke also costs money. Add it all up and unless your a millionaire, your watching at home. No home grown teams today.

he won 3 titles in that wrangler blue/yellow. he was pretty synonymous with it so for him to switch schemes and become better is still a big deal.

I mean the FIA owns f1 and formula e but NASCAR WTF?

That was a weird thing back in the 60s-80s where some big NASCAR races were co-sanctioned by FIA. That way drivers who had FIA licenses could run in NASCAR races without getting a NASCAR license. Back in the 50s and 60s, drivers would be banned from Indycar or NASCAR if they drove in the other series, the series didn't want to lose their drivers to their rivals. By having FIA sanctioning too, drivers like AJ Foyt and Mario Andretti could run NASCAR races without getting in trouble with USAC because... technically... some NASCAR races were "kinda" FIA races.

@@nascarmanHistory Oh ok. Guess they did FIA partnerships back then huh.

FIA?

@@bigfuckingcheese yup.

Minus the safety changes :-)

I've thought of that but I'm not sure how much interest there would be. For now I'm okay with just using free software and getting no money lol

@@nascarmanHistory thanks for the reply! Would you ever consider doing a video on the 1992 Indianapolis 500?

@@MarcTheWatchman Maybe we could do that, I hadn't thought of expanding this Speedweeks format to Indy 500s as well. Actually, I'm planning a few videos for Indy already. One of them will probably be on the backstory of Roberto Guerrero's pole and his spin on the pace lap in 1992. It likely won't be a video like this one, but just one that looks at the 1992 Indy from Guerrero's point of view.