The DEATH Of Imagination On Roblox... 

Some context: I know tsb isn’t the first to do the whole battlegrounds thing but it was the first to popularize that form of battlegrounds! Do you feel like roblox has lost its identity? 👇

Personally i think Battlegrounds games are the most versatile, most "valid" games to "copy." Gameplay is relatively simple but fun, so wanting to have that but for different anime's makes alot of sense to me. its like the "souls" game category, its like the same case here theres a very clear basis for the raw gameplay, but theres a a significant amount of differences that doesnt make it a pure copy

This is the reason why I always struggle to find a game to play without being bored or leaving it after a couple of minutes. Even dead games are honestly better than these types of games but sometimes the old games suck similar to deep woken in my opinion.

I think bringing back the filter tab would be super beneficial to creative games as knew and old players wont be *almost* forced to play what everyone else plays ( little kids ). It wouldn’t be perfect but it would make it easier for people to find unique games they want to play instead of falling into a rabbit hole of cheap easy games like blade ball

Honestly I think the rise of battlegrounds games isnt negative, it just shows that were tired of grinding in games and we would rather just take a hit of dope. Yeah I can see it being repatative but if you notice, only the good battlegrounds actually stand on there own two feet.

I agree with this so much, ever since I was a kid, I never really had a problem with these games but now that I’m a teenager, it’s just very boring. Truthfully Blox fruits is the most overrated trash on Roblox with its m1 spamming the same npc, one shot combos, with no plot nor storyline, games on Roblox are so money grabbing and it’s just sad I can see games like Arcane Odyssey rising up and become a favorite amongst people who like to explore, it’s a game I’ve been waiting to see on Roblox and this game is a game that everyone who loves adventures should try

As a developer myself im just gonna say this man. its VERY difficult to develop anything on roblox. Ive worked with studios from other platforms such as unity and unreal engine for DE, Arc studuos, NetEase, amazon games, and was trying indie dev for some time as a summer freelance job. I've gotta tell you, smooth sailing, i make problem solving my top priority in development because im a 3D game artist and have a deep programming background, but it seems roblox isn't as accepting as the... Regular open community. The roblox community has a very different and more negative reaction than say, the overall reddit gaming community, the discord community overall, and the way games are recieved in general. A big youtube game reviewing company wont 8/10 your game giving proper points and instruction for you to possibly take note of after testing it. Instead on roblox we have to hope the inexperienced and heavily critical kids dont simply look at our games and say things like "im not playing cuz my characters not in it" or "the game looks too good watch it never release" "game bad" "my game better " amongst far worst things they say simply because they have a bias toward another game or developer they follow. Devs get a thrashing from kids, and i mean a big one. When making a passion project? Wich is where you find the most creativity, getting negativity when you KNOW it actually has good gameplay and graphics, and youve optimized it well enough to get at least decent feedback or better. It really makes you want to quit when people who have no development background act like they know how to make a proper game and judges you, but cant even place a block in studio to make anything because "its difficult" to them when they're just lazy and inexperienced. They'll even drag you down for views much harder than the average gamer would. Trust me building with blocks is actually much easier than say using a professional app like blender or zbrush, etc. for us devs its like magic to get such a handcrafted tool that works formlessly and speeds up our workflow, but it doesnt matter because we're working with a pretty childish community all in all. I love the roblox community, BUT WE NEED TO FORCE OURSELVES TO COMPLETE PROJECTS. Quitting causes people to think their judgement will always be justified, we as devs need to show the people what quality we can provide and stop pissing and crying because blueballs38 said our lobby is ugly or the story looks like it'll probably suck. The negative reaction the community has can easily be ne solved if we just RELEASE OUR GAME, and stop making all these million minor improvements yo make everyone happy, and end up with another bandit beater for the big audience that thinks its a good thing. Trust me, if you want money that badly? MAKE ANY QUALITY PROJECT. And show people youre better than a tycoon or simulator. Money will come in droves. Trust me, theres proof being shown all over the gaming industry. Believe in yourself, and when things get negative and critical, show them what you can do. Plug in your headphones, get your team in a discord call or Skype or whatever you use, and support each other. Get to work.

Truly sad how roblox's algorithm promotes cash grab games making it nearly impossible to find good games

I hope in the future we can go back to creative and good games

For the battleground "copies", I do agree that if it gets too out of hand itd be a bigger issue, but, since games like Heroes baattlegrounds and Z battlegrounds use different animes, its kind of a whole different game in a way. More specifically Heroes battlegrounds with their mastery system, daily quests, and boss fights.

The thing is that if this effect ("good game" taken by others to make copies or things like that) applies to RELL Sea, we can maybe see more games like it after its release...

This is why i stare at the roblox homepage for 75% of the time i play roblox

Man i remember those time when good games are competing eachothers and not just straight up copy the most popular one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The battlegrounds game genre has recently branched out into cooler features such as Sorcerers battle ground adding a halloween moveset, Z batllegrounds adding a Fusion moveset, and heroes battlegrounds adding a boss battle

I fell like soulshatters is a good example of what you are talking about here. Games based off of soulshatters only appeared after bunny stopped working on the game, which is when games like undertale test place reborn and alternate battlegrounds appeared, and they weren’t even direct copies of soul shatters, as they felt very different to play. There are quite a few very low quality soulshatters fan games but they are ignored by the community, and the only soulshatters fan game that rips of soulshatters is random battle place, where it’s literally the same game but rbp has no bugs and some slight balance changes meaning it’s just soulshatters but better. Point is though, for the most part soulshatters fan games only took the unique ideas of soulshatters and what is was about then made their own mostly unique games with it.

fun fact: they removed the "powering imagination" line from studio

For anyone interested some of the good games in the background were Phighting (class based team battles) Decaying winter (survival game) Neon knights(Rpg?) Hours Some other games i suggest play are Boost vector, Glove game, and Tower defense X(when the gam releases)

I can’t believe games like Brookhaven get 1 million but games like black magic 2 get 25 players daily 😭 bring that game back bruh

The fact you called some battlegrounds game copies is crazy, they took inspiration from the fighting aspect. The fact that TSB was never the first is even more funny.

They should def make a mechanism where you could scroll through games by genre and have a rule which ppl shouldnt copy n paste games

I remember when the battlegrounds genre got popular and people were getting so hyped for just one battleground game now they come out every day.

I miss the days of finding stuff like HOURS and then being able to spend 15 hours at a time in it because of how unique it felt and how fun it was, now it's just trying to find the best grind-fest

Best exemple of this is lethal company. The dev who made it was a roblox dev who’s game wasn’t popular, and when he quit Roblox to make an actual game, it outsold fucking call of duty MW3 By FAR.

Its rare to find games where the main focus is to satisfy the player but instead is there to make money, its so hard to find an actual good game that doesnt involve p2w

Happy you mentioned HOURS briefly at the start, one of my favourite games on roblox!

"Roblox is Powering Imagination" that didn't age well didn't it

worst part about battlegrounds game, is it's a LAZY game they can release 2 characters on release and have 5k + players 😭then take 4 months to make a NEW character

Over my time on roblox, I have seen many good games but only a select few of them gets the popularity they deserve. For example, hours. Really good fighting game, only 400 players. Warlords, one of the best rts game where you can actually play as an character that I have seen. The Flappy Men, a really great team fps game. The Battle Bricks, basically the battle cats but less grindy. Arcane Odyssey is one that got pretty popular but died off due to lack of content. Decaying Winter is one that is still pretty popular. I am sure you can find more examples.

7:16 the funniest part is that the game you said blade ball copied is ALSO a copy of a custom overwatch gamemode called genii ball which ALSO seems to be a copy of pyro dodgeball in tf2

I feel like they isn’t that much to really make that is new because everyone follows a formula that works. Most things that people try to add in they game has already been added in others so it’s kinda hard to be innovative and when it comes to mechanics and stuff it really depends on if the developer wants to be risky or wants to play it safe and follow a formula. It’s not that it’s really dead, more so there isn’t that much things games can implement that can be considered original. This has been a problem throughout everything’s including stories, we might be reaching that age where most of the things we see are just gonna be repeats but better in my opinion Edit: Your battlegrounds take and rpgs is not fair as people just want the strongest battlegrounds in a different anime format like I like the strongest battlegrounds but I would like a Tokyo ghoul battlegrounds or I like bleach battlegrounds. The other battlegrounds fail due to them not releasing with as many characters and some of them just becoming lazy and not updating the game at all(mob 100 battlegrounds)

fun fact, rouge demon is the oldest "battlegrounds" game (bunch of free characters with early access, 1 big map) meaning that, infact, a demonslayer game is the original battlegorunds game, not saitama battlegrounds, although saitama battlegrounds did introduce ultimate modes and ranked making it different from rouge demon and have some sense of originality

ah yes my favourite game DOUKKEN BATTLE

Facts, every new game is either a copy or a cashgrab 😭 i deadass only been playing the same 2 games on roblox all year

i think youtubers also is the problem, especially like normal roblox youtubers, they would react to a video like this and add nothing to the topic, only bring up old points that are invalid or smth and promote these copies even more

The fact that z battlegrounds gui is ALMOST the same as strongest is just hilarious and sad at same time

I mean to be fully honest, I actually like some simulators, at least in the past. Partially cause I also like incremental games tbh. The issue is that a lot of the simulators now are clearly uninspired and usually crapplily made, similators can work and can be worth playing if they focus on proper and rewarding incremental progress instead of just being pure idle games with no real progression. Compare simulators today to past ones like Ninja Legends that has actual incremental progression with idle features. (Not saying that Ninja Legends is the best simulator around)

I’m in a discord server where people basically send links to games that are actually good but don’t have much of fanbase, and I sometimes find it quite sad cause most of the games have like 100 players, playing maximum!

Heroes battlegrounds doesnt really count , as its also made by the people who made strongest battlegrounds. But thats the only exepction.

even blade ball / deflect are just copies of overwatch genji ball 😭

It's nice to hear someone talk about this, i personally wish we could go back where everything was unique and even if they weren't, they had their own twist, that's why I'm learning how to make roblox games

FINALLY, Someone acknowledged how battleground games have a low skill ceiling. My life is complete. W video as always!

I think another large issue is the unreliable development teams, there is constant distrust and misuse and certain people will pray on young roblox devs just so they can steal from them. We already know this is the case when gamefam was a registered company and did all the stuff prior said. I know roblox can't really do that much because it's 3rd party but like, should something this unethical be considered legal in the future?? this just feels like it can get so wrong, there has also been devs in the past who were actual creeps like notive and it will only get worse when more kids see this as another "internet job that gives you money by doing nothing" and then end up scarring themselves emotionally and physically for a good chunk of their lives, it happens too much man.

actually a lot of bg games are better than tsbg, some of them have better combat, better looking moves, and bosses. And not only that, the reason I think bg games are so popular is because there are so many popular ips you can make a bg game off of, more so than opm. For example, games like z battlegrounds, sorcerer battlegrounds and z battlegrounds are popular is because either their anime has a lot of hype around it or the ip is simply more popular. Also a lot of these games get updated more frequently than tsbg

it's very disheartening as a fan of one piece to see what blox fruits has done to one piece games and anime games on roblox. We used to have creative and fun games and now almost everything is a bandit beater. I hope holy war X and Rell seas change this for the best.

While tsb is a bit basic with a low skill floor the skill ceiling itself is kind of high due to the other players and the movement, and the game does a good job of making you look good from the ults

Titan warfare and decaying winter are examples of good games that didn't make it to be popular because roblox is oriented towards kids and kids will only play braindead games. Talking about braindead games i gotta give a really nice point for saitama battlegrounds because it managed to keep a low skill ceiling but if you dig deeply into the game you can start to be skilled, is honestly amazing how they were able to make low skilled and high skilled players have the same fun. I would hoped titan warfare was able to do that.

This is happening due to people having the bigger urge to make games for money , a couple of years ago people were doing it because that was their passion , but now roblox = money generator for most devs

I feel so old even though i'm not. I remember I used to play mad games, work at a pizza place, phantom forces, final stand, and lots of other og classics and feeling so happy. Now Roblox has just become a boat load of copies and no imagination even though the devs probably could cook up something good and original.

I didn't know how good I had it with Soul Shatters until now. It is a very highly quality fighting game based on Undertale, yet instead of spawning a bunch of copies that overtook it (though of course there will still copies), all the popular branches of Soul Shatters are just that: branches. They all diverge in how to build upon the foundation built by Bunny, and many started development while Soul Shatters was still in its heyday because there were/are things in the original they didn't like that weren't/won't be getting changes. When I compare the weeds that sprung from Strongest Battlegrounds to the trees that sprung from Soul Shatters, I really do feel like I lucked out. It also shows that there can still be creativity based from inspiration rather than plagiarism. I do agree though that this was sadly an exception and not the rule.

5:01 personally, i disagree with this. in ABA, pretty much every character has a one shot combo, which honestly isnt fun to play against. In strongest battlegrounds, you atleast have an evasive to get out of combos and in general the combos are harder to pull off.

Roblox should just add the "unoriginal" filter tag

it is sad that seeing just the copies of ur favourite games spread everywhere on the platform and having a lot of player counts for example we have king legacy which is literally a ripoff of blox fruits and that made people believe that blox fruits copied kl :(

They should change their tag line to "powering monitization"

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Roblox now:Battleground,"Shit that calls Simulator" and Blade Ball Roblox old:Saber simulator,Rpg,Touch football and Disaster Natural

For those who are wondering, the game at the end was Neon Knights

honnestly i dont hate the other battlegrounds games, i like the other battlegrounds games because i want to see saitama battlegrounds with different movesets

roblox has never really been a platform where u can expect quality. some games at least try to do something different, but at the end of the day (until recently) the majority of games were just made by a few teens/young adults who didnt fully know what they were doing. now we have basically game studios that are making games solely for monetary value. it almost makes u think if the games u liked as a kid were actually even good or if they were just catered towards u.

as a opm fan from 2019 to today i will never forget tsb but the players really think its not game based on anime

It’s not copies unless it includes literally every aspect of the original, it’s inspiration.

Whats funny is that bladeball's original copy is also a copy of a custom gamemode in Overwatch 2, genjiball

Seeing neonknights at the end when talking about innovative/good but unpopular games hurts my soul a little cuz that is just what it is

i do agree with some of the points here, but popularity comes from mixing a creative idea (im talking the way they coded pvp, not the idea of a battlegrounds because ik it isnt the first one) + mixing it with some "would this keep players playing?". you gotta be real and make a system thats both creative and fun to play i know most games arent, but saitama is exactly that, its just a some what creative sandbox pvp game thats simple to play and fun to grind for new players due to how easy it is to learn combos and just play , along with emotes and kills with a leaderboard it made it profitable too. i feel like its wrong for you to just go "creative ideas just get trashed by profitable cash cows that last 1 or 2 years". games like jailbreak came from taking the concept of "prison life" and implementing their own creative ideas to keep players engaged your creativity in any sort of ambit, being programing games or anything in real life is always rewarded if you know how to use it well

This video is awesome. It shows how games and devs care about the money more than the fans, making it pay to win in grind games. I understand you and even as a dev of myself. This is a great video! Keep it up 👍

Actually, TSB is a copy, but they started calling battlegrounds a game category, when it existed well before

4:58 it actually "elemental battleground offsprings," as even the strongest battleground cannot be considered original because elemental battlegrounds was the first high quality in graphics and gameplay, introducing most players to the 'rush' feeling of playing said game.

Finally someone who is not afraid to expose the truth, congratulations man, success to you.

The "for you" comes into clutch withh all the good games

even though this was a few months ago, I really love hearing your thoughts on these games, I personally don’t find any problem with the “copy” of battleground games though, Just as long as they’re fun and not doing something that feels boring. I mean Heroes is very flashy smooth, and overall very well made. Ki and Z battlegrounds had added new and unique features as well (even if Z leans heavily towards tsb as a game) hell sonic showdown is a good example of a battlegrounds game straying a bit far from the battlegrounds genre with the use of parries, evasive, boosts, and much more. I think there’s something special in any battlegrounds game and it can be for any anime fan. I apologize for the small rant, just a huge BG enjoyer. Anyways, I like watching these videos on your thoughts on these certain issues and such, keep up the good work.

so glad someone talked about this, im genuinely getting tired of seeing ''insert random other name for an anime you can use to avoid copyright'' Battlegounrds its so annoying and TDGames also are pretty just bland and boring

The only creative people left on roblox are those who think about great games but have no idea about anything when it comes to making games 💀

First battleground game is Marvellous battleground which is every movie combined into a battleground game

One annoying thing is sreaching system of roblox, like actually, it doesnt show me games that i want to play, and instead it trows me ramdom trash into me. Roblox needs to fix that so bad, literaly i want to find a specific game to play, and when i try to find it, poom more garbage games below the games i want to play.

There’s a game called deflect which came out a year and a half before blade ball and people call deflect the cheap cop. I’ve lost faith in humanity

Yeah im ngl the money hungry epidemic will never stop. We need a roblox renaissance era😭😭

Back then you can play any game and not one of them is boring

its so sad theres so much good games on roblox that nobody plays because its not a cheap copy, so the devs just dont update and the games eventually just die

One of the older battlegrounds games like these was Ntjjg. It used to be very popular, but lost a lot of traction due to updates slowing down

Powering imagination :☹ Powering plagiarism : 😏

Call me dumb but this is one of the main reasons pbb copies are getting more and more popular it’s bc people have nothing else to play

Theres always a time whenwver i joined a game i already feel bored like bro is there even any good games to play 😭

dunno if its just yapping but sorcerer battlegrounds actually got the quality aspect down, the cutscenes it has are all very impressive, the combat synergizes very well and the proper pacing of the game makes it feel like skill is the only thing that has you winning the game

Anyway, play derelict, it's nowhere near finished but it's very special and the Devs always can use more support.

but fr tho HOURS is so freakin underrated like i had so much fun playing it to the point i bought the HoT gamepass

Im pretty sure heroes battleground is made by the same devs as STB, i'd need to check again

It's impossible to find a good game these days. It was so much more fun in roblox back then where every game was unique.

In my opinion about the battleground exhibit, i think that it's cool the idea of having the same formula for different anime, i even consider heroes battlegrounds to be smoother and better than STB

Hereos battlegrounds is made by the same devs as the strongest battlegrounds btw

I wanna be a developer but my dilemma is: make a copy game that's gonna make me rich but I don't enjoy it and don't have a fandom or make a passion game with a fandom that will make less money.

PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP PLEASE KEEP MAKING VIDEOS LIKE THIS

I think battleground games are actually valid copies (usually) I personally have no interest in Strongest Battlegrounds but I've learned the base fighting system from Sorcerer Battlegrounds cause I like JJK much more than OPM. The games dont feel copy and pasted instead copied and redone with different tech that might not work universally. Another example is Heroes Battlegrounds which again despite having the same base plays very different from Sorcerer and Strongest Battlegrounds. It introduces changes to existing mechanics and forces you to approach its characters differently its not just a 1 for 1 copy.

The early access gamepass is actually the opposite of what u said, they make the early characters busted and then nerf them on release/nearing release so people buy the gamepass, its another marketing scheme

The discover page is full of dopamine-farming slop, and never actually shows good games, so I just never go on it

"Powering imagination" Hmm how about "Energizing copies"

Off topic but the persona osts in the back hit hard.

And the main problem is horror games that become popular cuz when one does everyone wanna copy the game so yea it’s kinda getting worse

ur the only ytber that doesn't chase clout respecttt

It's sad to see that the main page of roblox is filled with boring copies of each other.

I really feel this with decaying winter, the game is so amazing to play (although infuriating sometimes), is a legit total free to play, and they recently added new things to buy with the bounds What I like the most about Decaying Winter is that the grind is not as difficult as it seems to he and you can actually see the progress you make very well, if you really put yir effort in DW you'll get plebty rewards, even though they're mainly cosmetics Another game I really enjoy playing now a days is untitled boxing, because it has a way to make money, but it isn't difficult at all to get the new or legendary styles through simply joining every day and playing a little bit Untiled Boxing has a way to make money without being agressive about it or hiding its content behind it, and thats something many Roblox games could learn from

1:59 king legacy is not a blox fruits copy, it is just blox fruits's less successeful brother