I don’t think Kyoshi was “immortal,” I think the right word would be “longevity.” She lived for a *very long time,* but even she couldn’t live forever. Still, she certainly made good use of her time as the Avatar.
Wow, thats actually really good writing to cover up an error. You could imagine how she would lose sight of the value of individual lives and eventually see that she's losing herself bit by bit the longer she lives. Ultimately seeing that her time is up, not because she can't live any longer, but because she's done all that she can do and its time to pass on the torch. Man her story would make a great movie!
@@MediadosWell, Kyoshi's story also had "teen shipping" but much less drama because everyone involved was pretty chill about it. Kyoshi was crushing on both Rangi and Yun, while Rangi liked Kyoshi and Yun also liked Kyoshi (but he also noticed Kyoshi and Rangi's closeness and didn't really seem to mind.) All of them really cared about each other as friends, too, so there didn't seem to be any big jealousy going on. Honestly, I feel like Kyoshi would have been fine with dating both of them.
@@vilmublues752 Yeah but you know what I mean. Yun was removed as romance option rather early, so there wasn't any of this will-they-won't-they nonsense we had in the early seasons of Korra. I really liked LoK but that distracted from the story. But I'm really glad they didn't go into any poly-stuff. I really don't like that at all.
Not really. You can just say that the avatar will be reborn after death without a set time. It could be immediate to a century before the next avatar is born. Making her immortal wouldn't matter either. After Sozin killed Roku, he apparently waited 12 years to kill the airbenders, upon which, Aang already made fire nation friends.... Even on a gradual scale, it would make more sense he attacked the air nomads whenever the comet was going to arrive, so planning the airbenders deaths meant nothing and should have went after water benders.
More of the cases that sister lady definitely had no idea what she was talking about because of being nice to your enemies is what resulted in the entire economics being wiped out by the fire lord
This is still somewhat open-ended. Other than the fact that she realized that the Avatar Cycle must continue and that she shouldn't live forever, another reason why she "let go" and chose to die by stopping to perform the immortality technique that Lao Ge taught to her is because of her personal connections with people. She had a daughter named Koko when she was 150 years old, which would put Koko at around 80 years old when Avatar Kyoshi died. Either Avatar Kyoshi knew that she was going to be missing Koko very soon or Koko had already recently passed away by then. And her girlfriend, Rangi, was obviously already long gone by then, so Avatar Kyoshi probably also missed her and wanted to see her again in the Spirit Realm. If your only child and your soulmate are both dead and you know that someone else will take over your job for you once you're gone, then you probably won't mind dying.
From how the video and novel literally written, it's definitely not how you imagined. It clearly said that she was already detached from humanity and was essentially the avatar of justice. She's a workaholic, not a family women. Her choosing to end herself is most likely because she think it's enough of life. Coming "down" to earth from up high.
That’s very interesting, because I’ve read a couple of theories/ head canons that Kyoshi couldn’t have died any other way that by her own choice and this book heavily hints at that
Makes sense she never fell in battle. Imagine a mentally stable Azula as Avatar. That's basically what you get with Avatar Kyoshi. Emotionless, ruthless efficiency at doing her job, so much so that she forgets how her actions and decisions can affect people.
So she most likely died peacefully but you thought it was a good idea to portray her on the floor, bent over, beat up, defeated, at the edge of unconsciousness and with someone almost on top of her?
If that’s the case, Bumi, who was still in peak condition during and after the war, must’ve also had a mad genius moment and let go. “I’m going to do…NOTHING! Hehuhehuhahahehu”
Kyoshi basically just said fuck it I'm done and probably just let herself die peacefully, though the air nomads feeling she went too far in terms of her justice probably had a part in it, she realized they were right and felt it was time for the cycle to continue onto the next element...
So basically Kyoshi start to go overkill for every little thing, she become so cold blood and agressive that everysingle Air Nomad decide to "NOPE". Until she decide was time to kill the biggest tyrant in the world, herself.
I don’t think she was the biggest tyrant of the world when you had the earth king with what he was doing, and now an increasingly dangerous fire nation coming under Sozin and it’s obvious the air nomads pacifistic world is what resulted in their ultimate demise
@@vilmublues752 still o to the genocide list, she was also famous for killing people, you dont get "black listed" by the whole air nation because you are a nice person
@@rafaelsantos-nl9jd would you consider the British navy wiping out the republic of the pirates genocide? and keep in mind the 5th nation was far worse than the actual pirates republic.
Very interesting, and outright compelling reason/cause of her death imho. This really gives strength (to a degree) to the statement, "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". Though, I don't believe she became a villain, just that given her power, and longevity she lost a certain amount perspective and empathy which given her human origin yet living hundreds of years as The Avatar seems like a reasonable conclusion.
To be honest in the last few years of her life she was kinda starting to became exactly like jianzhu in the sense that she will kill Dao fei without even thinking about it not that she became as bad as him but she was sertenly heading there
The math adds up yeah but she wasn't intended to have lived for 200++ years - that's the error part. The 200++ was initially just a result of negligence in the establishment of timelines So that's why they say "math error"
Do you have the novels? Is it physical or virtual? Did you buy them? And if you bought them, where? I really want to have the novels but I don't know where I can get them.
No person can be the same after few years, let alone a hundred years. If I was able to live 200 years and have the ability to decide who lives or not, I would definitely have a different perspective compared to my 100-year-old self.
a Fitting ending i suppose, in the end she still know what's best and taking that option to let go before she completely lost herself and becoming more easy towards violence and maybe maybe become a twisted avatar
no one could have killed kyoshi lol, she was definitely in control of how and when she died. i love how they wrote her ending, to show 'immortality' has consequences
Irony is that Kyoshis mother was air nomad that left her as a child. Air nomads ditching her must have given her mental blow, that eventually leaded to theyre demise, thats some hardcore karma.
If Aang would have died with the Air Nomads instead of running away, the next Avatar probably would have been able to end the war way sooner than Aang did.
I think there’s no mathematical error. Kyoshi -230 yrs old Roku - 70 yrs old and the episode in Kyoshi Island, Aang is already 112 yrs old. So what Suki said about Kyoshi living 400 yrs ago actually made sense.
yes there was , no human could live 230 years they had to correct it by saying that she became immortal suki should've said that she lived like 250 years ago
Disha is the reason why all of the air nomads destroyed. She emposed that "everyone deserves to live" to Roku and because of that Roku hesitated to dispence justice to Sozin which caused almost end of the world. So Kyoshi was right all along. "Only justice will bring peace."
Kyoshi most likely let herself pass, in her bed. whatever it is she deff did it on purpose. she was too powerful, and too ruthless after Rangi's death to simply lose a fight to someone who went unmentioned in history, if she was actually in a fight and lost their name would be echoed throughout history so much, they would've been mentioned in LOK.
I was so hyped waiting for the Roku novel to come out. Yang Chen was pretty awesome, hoping Rokus next book with be great, so far none of the avatars compare to Kyoshi imo
This theory is very similar to Tolkien's conception of immortality in the Lord of the Rings. The Elves look on the natural death of Men as a gift from God because the Elves are forever tied to the world. They can be killed in battle, but even then, they are sent back into it after a period in the halls of Mandos, destined forever to "fight the long defeat", never able to rest. When mortals receive lengthened life, it's a bad thing, Bilbo describing himself as "butter scraped over too much bread" after having possessed the Ring for so long. And the 9 kings of Men gifted rings steadily fell under the total control of Sauron until they faded into the insubstantial wraiths of the Nazgul. It's an exact portrait of why humans had to be banished from Paradise after the Fall, because to live forever as a sinful creature is to eventually lose all freedom and any will of one's own.
So Avatar Kyoshi just decided to let go of her immortality? I can believe that especially since she thought that a new Avatar should be selected to look over the world instead of just hoarding the title
Her immortality was probably more from stopping the aging process or allowing herself to hold on. However, having an invincible or indestructible form of immorality was probably not in the cards
Kyoshi needed Hob Gadling from The Endless in her life. I believe WHY in many stories “Immortality” is often portrait as a cursed, might be due to the fact that there’s always a catch to the type of immortality, a Immortal Being has, for example: Vampires, have to spend the rest of their extended lives feeding on blood, despite not wanting to. Gods have a duty to uphold, like being a World Leader for centuries. AI tend to lack Human Empathy.. But, Hob Gadling from The Endless, I believe the reason WHY he enjoys his immortality and never gets tired of it, is because he is FREE to do whatever he wants with it, in simple words “Unconditional Immortality.” I believe that’s what makes Hob’s immortality so special, and why other immortals despise theirs.
Love how you warn everyone about the spoilers ahead! Man, we here for the gossip and the spoilers 😂 “no one reads the novels anyway” it killed me HAHAHA
I'm just glad the Roku novels effectively showed us that yes, Fanon Kyoshi is Canon Kyoshi. For years people been saying, "Oh, but the Kyoshi novels show she was a softy, a gentle soul" yeah, when she was SEVENTEEN! When she was around the people she loved, sure. But as an adult and to the public eye, she was the force of friggin nature they made her out to be.
My head cannon with this official lore is that Kyoshi did this technique for so long because she felt guilty/ upset of kuruk sudden passing so young even if it was fighting off dark spirits. She believed that the world was robbed of an avatar for a century . For her she needed to Make up for that for being the avatar for both centuries.
Knowing Kyoshi, she probably sustain some life threatening injuries that she chose not to treat, and decided to stop the immortality technique at that moment as well. Probably reflecting of her last thing Dashi told her and thinking "what would Rangi think of me now?". I believe sister Dashi made her realized that Rangi would be horrified of the person Kyoshi became. And when she could've cheat death again, she chose to embrace it, no longer running from it. Because her desire for justice was an unhealthy obsession based on her early life, and she lost her way. She was pure, and the world took the pureness off that girl.
I think deciding to stop is a very Avatar thing to do. I mean it probably took a bunch of consulting with previous Avatars. But it makes sense. Especially with the later consulting of past Avatars.
Immortality and Invulnerabilitly are Two separate Aspects One Grants you immunity To death by aging and sickness while the other grants u a body impervious to physical death But Both are Polar Opposites like two sides of the same coin. Immortal doesn't mean Invulnerable and Vice Versa, The enemy of Immortality is death by any other non natural means while invulnerability is patience & TIME dying of Natural Causes. Meaning Kyoshi committed suicide as that would be an unnatural death for her.
Odd, I might be experiencing a mandala effect, but I distinctly remember she died by the order and hands of the white lotus. The organization was contacted by the past avatars, it was the air nomads that gave the message. Kioshi was clearly upsetting the balance of the spirit realm and segregated physical world, she was becoming a self imposed empress. Only the Avatar can do the immortal thing, but a quick assassination wouldn't give her the chance.
i think a lot of people confuse "immortal" with "invincible" immortal just means you cant die from old age but you can absolutely still die from outside causes. invincible means you CAN'T be killed
_Thinking of how Roku's closeness to Sozin led to him not coming down as hard on him as he probably_ Well...... That turned out to be a pretty big "oopsie" for the Air Nomads, didn't it?
Kyoshi was not the longest living person in the avatar universe. Also, the writers did not just cover up their story in the Kyoshi novels because that is what they intended doing long time, it was not something the cooked up later, if you look at the issue with the person who was training Aang to master the avatar state, the longitivity issue has been there since the animated series was released.
My theory is: Kyoshi deactivated her immortality technique which had the side effect of emotion suppression and either: a) got so overwhelmed by the decades of pent-up rage, grief, sorrow, horror, and sadness that her heart promptly gave out... or... b) instantly remembered and realized how cringy, weird, out-of-touch, and (ultimately how utterly alone she was) and fully body cringed so hard she ascended into spiritual energy and reincarnated into Roku to escape the embarrassment. (Envision nearly 100+ years of cringy high school-level memories and decisions coursing throughout your being making all of your personal growth and wisdom feel like nothing in a single moment making you inwardly wince on a spiritual level...all in one lonely, vulnerable moment).
Kyoshi is not the strongest avatar and she can't blood bend. The book makes it clear that kyoshi was pretty much not threatened by anyone so her death was caused by herself, choosing to stop being immortal.
She is the strongest avatar lol.She can't blood bend she just learn the healing technique that can freeze someone's organ if being used at max.Funny she didn't got threatened by anyone cause who dare to fight her?they will all be dead that's why she just decided to end herself by stop using the immortality technique.
@@Zai02-gk4dm No clown she's not, Korra is canonically the strongest avatar. I know what kyoshi can do I've read both novels. You seem to have not because plenty threatened her and Yun had her on her knees after reverse jumping her and all her allies.
Kyoshi hesitated less and less and Roku kept hesitating xD Does that mean....that was one of Kyoshi's biggest regrets at the end? If you follow the thought that one Avatar's regret is another Avatar's trait?
I think it is intended that there is an age defining bending in their world because Ang meet a very old man that possibly lives longer than Kyoshi or he is exactly the one that teaches immortality to Kyoshi. Correct me if I am wrong
I’m just thinking does the pregnancy of the avatar just starts at the start or do they become the avatar the day they were born and the current avatar died?
