Star Wars Explained: You are in my opinion the most informative Star Wars channel out there, today's Canon vs Legends comparison was highly entertaining,very thought provoking, I totally enjoyed it! lol
thesawtoothdude So it seems. I mean, yeah, we still have some clones in the first order, but we don't bring anybody back from the day like it's nothing. Not to hate too much on legends but that's a little too ridiculous.
This is an example where the new Canon makes a better story. Rogue Ones characters are more compelling and the source weakness in the Deathstar has a good explanation. A good video would be comparing Thrawn but after Rebels has completed.
Bevel Lemelisk, Rest in Piece. Oh, ok. Rest in piece again. (5 deaths later) Ok, one final time. To be fair, the cloning thing made a bit of sense in the idea of Palpatine practicing essense transfer
They were already trying to find a giant kyber crystal for the laser during the Clone wars as seen in Crystal crisis on Utapu. We also saw the designs for the Death Star in Episode III.
+Juri Von Braun developed the v1 and v2 rockets that allowed nazi to bomb london. He didn't want to lead the Nazi party nor seemed interested in stopping Nazi rocket development. So shove it.
jesus christ I hate the cloning thing in starwars legends, it makes every death so meaningless... recreating someone's consious and force levels should be impossible in canon
except cloning was rarely used. Three times I remember it was Yassard cloning herself leaving two Yassards for rogue squadron to fight. Palpatine who then finally died. Third was Thrawn whose clone died before he could be unvatted. Oh and the Fel clones who started a whole colony which was kind of cool.
Technically they've brought it back into canon but no force user has done it yet, in the comics Cylo had clones of himself stored up that would activiate whenever he died with his consciousness or something like it backed up onto a computer. I know it's more technology based and not force based, but when I first read it I just had memories of Dark Empire screaming in my head.
Nobody has acknowledged the reason the death star had an exhaust port is just logic. A machine the size of the death star that has planet destroying weapon and jumps through hyperspace would need one.
The new series was made before Legends was created and is officially part of both continuities. The entirety of Clone Wars '09 takes place between episodes of Clone Wars '03.
I remember reading in some guide book or something about Tarkin and this female Death Star designer. Never heard about Bevel Lemelisk until I saw your videos on him. So odd that I never heard about him until now but I'm glad you finally mentioned the woman because I know for sure I read that somewhere.
@@Mal-sg6zc It still bugs me. It's one of the things that ruined RoS for me. (Let's undo everything the main characters did in the original movies and make them fight the same villain again.) Legends was simply unorganized as a timeline (as someone who never really bothered with it), canon is mostly lazy and uncreative. I dislike them for different reasons.
I know you can't do this soon but maybe when the new Vader comic comes out you can do a vid on what the legends Vader did right after a revenge of the sith and compare
Great video! May I ask, though, what role the Geonosians had in building the Death Star? If I remember correctly, Dooku was seeking their help to build it...I think...
I like the evil of killing someone and cloning/resurrecting them to do it better, but Galen and Krennic have a great dynamic. I enjoyed the book Catalyst for that reason.
How comes Tarkin never got punished for wiping out an imperial facility? There were still foot soldiers, personel and high ranking officials on Scarif and he just killed them for the heck of it. Not to mention all the data that got lost. It's not like the rebels had any chance of conquering the base, so how could Tarkin possibly justify this?
It's not like there was much time for any consequences to happen. A New Hope starts hours or so after Rogue One, and also happens over a very short timespan. There's maybe a few days between the destruction of the Scarif base and Tarkin and the Death Star being blown to bits.
+Erig Badgley So? Aren't there any better ways to secure a compomised location than blowing the whole place up, with people and viable data still still inside? When somebody finds your secret money stach, do you burn the entire house down?
I am truly saddened this is the last we'll see of Krennic. He was an interesting villain to say the least, and while I am perhaps in a minority, I would've wanted some of Rogue One and Krennic to survive the film so they could finish their fight in the planned (but scrapped) sequel.
The cloning thing in Legends would make the writers of Spider-Man comics blush, and they have written some crazy clone stories. I'm glad the Clone Wars ended up being the story that it became and not some crazy thing where Obi-Wan fights Obi-Waan... :P Oh, and didn't Raith Seinar have a hand in the DS development in Legends?
There is a long string of people involved with the Death Star. Palpatine wanted a super weapon when the Republic was still around but the Jedi didn't know, Palpatine told Tarkin and he came up with the overall idea of the Death Star and then tasked Krennic with making it a reality who the tasked Galen Erso with making the actual weapon inside the structure.
I feel as though Lemelisk's story was a bit half cooked. With Galen, we had a nice story involving the separation of his family and how he intentionally put the flaw there, while Lemelisk is just someone who.. uh, got cloned, and made 6 superweapons? There's barely any dimension to Lemelisk's character
how about the unknown regions in cannon meaning the thrawn era versus the unknown regions during palpatine and what is being referenced through the new trilogy
I love Bevel Lemelisk's final words, when the Republic go to execute him...and I feel sorry to you dont mention them... "At least make sure you do it right this time." :D
I think it would have set up a really good confrontational dynamic between Jyn and Cassian if Cassian actually did shoot Galen. I would have preferred them coming to terms with this conflict by the end of the movie.
Am I the only one who doesn't like that the Death Star's weakness was intentional? In my opinion it's understandable that a station the size of a moon would have flaws. A single exhaust port is pretty incredible already considering the power to destroy a planet is being generated inside a single station, the heat has to go somewhere. People say the weakness was too convenient and easy to exploit, but really, it was very well defended, cost many lives and took a pilot to use the force to actually get the shot in. To be honest, the fact that Galen put it there intentionally really annoys me. He must have relied on the rebellion stealing the plans (instead of just showing the weakness on the message) and then for a bunch of X-Wings to break through a moon-sized station's defences and have a force sensitive pilot land a one in a million shot. Maybe I am the only one but I think the answer of it being a convenient weakness is a better explanation than what we got with Galen being behind it all.
Boris Ahsmann it does take away some if Luke's glory
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Talking of cloning and Legends VS Canon; how about a video about the Clone Wars, comparing the pre-Prequel EU mentions of the war with what we got in the canon?
this is another perfect example of why the new canon excels over legends. I love many things about star wars legends but there were also lots of silly things that didn't make much sense.
One thing seemingly important that was skipped over here is the Geonotian link to the design of the death star. At the end of ep. 2 we see the death star referenced long before krennic and erso.. and it's implied that it's a weapon not just a structure. Is this a case of Disney writing around inconvienient canon so the geonotian link is 'not so important'? It was incomplete or something like that?
I pulled down my copy of Dark Saber after seeing this vid because something bugged me. You actually got Lemelisk's death wrong. When he was finally captured by Wedge he was actually very chill about it. His words were, "Ah well. If you're going to execute me, just make sure you do it right this time. And the two times you mentioned him being cloned by the emperor didn't even come close to how many time Palpatine killed Lemelisk. I think it was over half-a-dozen time, I can't remember. And each time, it was worse than the last. Palpatine always had to be creative about it. Poor guy was happy to finally die and stay that way.
It was. At first, it was punishment for his failure with the Death Star, then afterward, it was Palpatine basically “encouraging” Lemelisk not to screw up again.
Lemelisk is an interesting case of real world history getting filtered into Star Wars background lore. His capture and refusal to apologize is based on Adolf Eichmann, one of the architects of the Holocaust, who was captured in South America by the Mossad and tried in Israel. He's the source of the phrase "only following orders" and the inspiration for the term "the banality of evil".
In everything you need to know about star wars says that the creators was killed than cloned . the book is technically a canon source because it has Rebel mentioned through it.
I loved Rogue One and definitely get the Rogue One: Ultimate Guide; still, Legends is an excellent resource. But overall, it can function WITHOUT the cloning and OP-ness. Canon is fine, but is occasionally becoming a nesting ground for superfluity. I only go for the rare gems in both continuities. 💎 Therefore, Galen Erso is my choice of Death Star designer within the new Canon. Bevel Lemelisk is pretty kooky to my rationale. All in all, I do hope Disney/Lucasfilm brings back some of the EU into their new Canon as it expands. However, they better not turn the Legends crystals to a corrupt red upon production. It tests the integrity of the franchise altogether. Yet, I'll keep faith and positivity in check. 👌
what i find interesting is, in one episode of rebels, sabine said the empire used weapons she created against her ppl. so... was she referring to the mandalorian war or the death star? did i over look that she helped design the gravity fields that pull ships out of hyperspace?
Same here, I listened to the catalyst audiobook before seeing the film which made me enjoy the film a bit more, would have been great to have seen more of the backstory on screen though.
what was jerjerrod's role in the first death star project? It must have been pretty close to Erso to warrant his position of lead designer the second time around.
i still am kinda curious about the plans. sence we first saw them in the hands of the geonoaians during the battle of geonosis giving them to count dooku and then by rouge one we have another set. do you think Galen and Krennic were shown those blueprints and tasked with making improvements or something
I'd say that's plausible. Galen seemed to have been brought in at first to create/find a power source powerful enough but, as we know, ended up doing allot more, adding the weakness and delaying its construction as much as he could. Krennic was more like someone who as his title suggests, directed the construction and felt like the Death Star was his "Child"
I think he was was referring to the collective you, not to the specific you. It's possible that guy had almost no connection to the construction of it, and Vader just didn't care who helped build it or not
They are about the same to me. I remember reading the Sun Crusher trilogy and the clueless scientist sounded as sympathetic to me as Galen IMO. I have no experience with Bevel personally he sounds like Krennic with less ambition and more likes the challenge. Both stories are valid and don't see the big deal in this Old EU vs. New EU debate like other ones.
How about comparing Kanan and Ezra(cough Space Aladdin cough cough) to Galen Marek and Rahm Kota? Or just compare Kanan to Kota, Dass Jennir, and Ferus Olin?
No, before Padme was introduced in Episode 1 their Mom was supposed to have been force sensitive; according to a comic or book that predates the prequels.
You might be talking about the black fleet crisis trilogy where a woman tells Luke that his mother is a member of her people. This was a lie she told him so he would help her find her them.
You could be right; I've looked everywhere online trying to find what I was referring to, but could have swore something was mentioned about their Mom before the prequels being force sensitive, however, that could have just been a concept idea from one of the behind the scene interviews.
After seeing the "Twin Suns" episode i began to wonder who really would have won between Vader and Obi-Wan? Every Star Wars fan knows that Obi-Wan deliberately lowered his guard on the death star resulting in his death at the hands of Vader. So who would have won if Obi-Wan decided to fight Vader instead of sacrificing himself?
did the death star in Rouge one destroy the planet (what was that desert planet that was targeted in the beginning) or did it just blew up a certain part of it?
Just that part of it. When Vader was telling off Krennic, he mentioned them having to come up with a cover story about one city being destroyed by a mining accident or something, not a cover story about the entire planet (moon).
At first, I wasn't too excited about canon events since I pretty much grew up with Legends and was pretty invested in it. However, I'm now finding that the canon is actually becoming more of a favorite. The characters of canon have much more interesting stories than Legends now. Especially a certain Chiss who's now canon ;D
I think the 'Canon Duo' should have been responsible for the super-laser. Limelisk for everything else. But I still hate the cloning bit, it makes star wars death completely pointless.
The geonosians made the plans but didn't make the superlaser. Krennic supervised the creation of the Death Star and Galen built constructed the superlaser.
I agree that the new Canon story is better, but I still really liked Darksaber. It was one of my favorite Bantam Star Wars novels and kind of an interesting rebuttal of the superweapon plot that kept being used over and over, since the Darksaber itself winds up being a completely useless waste of time and money. I also liked Qwi Zux and her relationship with Wedge Antilles, which kicked off my all-time favorite Star Wars novel, Starfighters of Adumar.
