messi loves man markers. it's impossible messi is too good at stalling players on the the spot. the opponents just see him gliding away whilst they are left behind
I remember one game where Zidane man marked Messi with Kovacic at the Bernabeu. Messi was dragging him whatever he wanted, leaving a huge gap in Real Madrid's midfield. The game ended 0:3 and Barcelona eventually won the title.
Still remember Messi retiring from international football back in 2015, for him to come back 7 years later and win the World Cup it is truly mesmerizing.
He quit international football because he got sick of losing. It's not like he retired from football and just decided to start up again after all that time and just won the World Cup 😅😅
@@Parky_1712 he didn't quit because he was a sad loser you clown !!! He quit because he didn't fit into the argentina style of football being played at the time !!! . It was more to do with the management than Messi !!!. Messi has a unique way of playing and the players around him were just not like that !!!.. This goes to prove if back then the Argentina FA had listened o Messi and put the players around him they would have had a world cup !!! Messi plays a free role on the pitch and moves around so no one can pin him down !!!. To win the world cup as captain of Argentina at the age of 35 and scoring a goal in every round says it all !!! Even scoring two in the final !!!. The Argentina team now is more like the Barcelona back in the day !!!. They just do not give up and fight to the last second !!!.
@@hypello9534 haha yeah, they are now taking the WC trophy as though NOW we consider him the best and are trying to use pele's 3 WCs as the argument, they are trying to ignore 7 BDO 6 Golden boots 11 league titles 4 UCLs LOLOL its laughable man
@@IWannatalkpodcast once your man burst onto the scene over a decade & a half ago that silly debate ceased to be valid. perhaps there was never a genuine debate at all, who knows....
Playing in lower leagues? That a sign of a great player now? You can't be serious. As for the world cup, even the guys on the bench for Argentina won it and Argentina had won it before too. They were always a contender. It's not a measure of greatness.
@@TonyMontanaDSHow is la Liga a “Lower league” when it’s ranked #2 in the world? And there’s a difference between winning the World Cup from the bench and carrying an entire nation on your back.
Messi’s criticism in Argentina is due to a generational thing. People that saw Maradona winning criticized Messi. But for the generation that only saw Messi, there was never a doubt that he’s the GOAT. He didn’t have to win it in our eyes
He would have been the GOAT even if France had won it. People who understand and appreciate football know he’s always been the best and most gifted player to ever grace a pitch.
@@aryan.4855 You honestly want to sit there and tell me that ronaldo is as complete a footballer as messi? Football Is more than numbers. Ronaldo could only dream of doing half the stuff messi is capable of on a pitch.
Real football fans always knew he was gonna end up being the goat. Guy was always a cheat code. Messi is like neo in the matrix, he operates on a different level.
The BIGGEST achievement for Ronaldo is keeping the Messi v Ronaldo debate alive for this long... Which in itself is a MASSIVE achievement WITHOUT ANY disrespect. Its a compliment.
The whole Argentina was not only playing for their country but for their capital Leo too. Every single player wanted to win it for their captain . Such a good game . And thanks to Mbappe the game became one of the best football matches ever .
messi has been amazing for argentina. without messi argentina wont be as good he is an amazing playmaker. also when his not in the mood for playmaking, he just past 3 defenders with ease
Football is complete. Messi has completed football. Messi has won the battle. The Debate that never should have existed is done and dusted. Messi by far the greatest ever, no one else comes close.
@@PayssiNotWantedInBarcelonely They won the world cup, Messi won the MOTM, and has the most MOTM ever in WC with 10, the debate has been ripped from the soil .. Messi was the best player this World Cup and he dragged them through the World Cup Final... This was the sheer replication of Maradona 86...
The debate is well and truly over in my opinion. Messi inspired that team and not just over this tournament. He, the team, as well as the change in management and attitude in the Argentina setup - built toward this day. But, why he is the GOAT compared to CR7 - his attitude in his twilight. How Ronaldo has conducted himself over the last 1+ year.... has brought him down the pecking order. I'm glad I witnessed the game yesterday. Proper sports history.
@Kuku Nase has he? Which team did he carry that was worse? So you think the entire French team were in on this rigged game? Loris is one of the best goalkeepers around. You think he intentionally conceded those penalties? You think he intentionally gave up the chance to win gold? Wow that will be an explosive exposé when it gets out.
@@ObeseGorilla229I’m the number 1 Ronaldo fan but I have to admit Messi is so much better than him in every way and it’s not even close. Messi is the undisputed 🐐.
Messi lifts the World Cup with the whole country behind him… Ronaldo on the Piers Morgan show battling his own personal demons! Football won yesterday night… best final ever!
@t burton It's hilarious, a lot of people were saying the debate was over last year when Messi was struggling in Ligue 1. And now it's flipped with Messi picking up again, and Ronaldo falling off.
@@ranjitprakash1986 mate your Indian you can’t play football let alone talk about it. How’s it feel watching England change the face of test cricket? Literally 1 billion of you’s and your shite at every sport you try to play
After around 2015, Messi's ungodly talent had already earned him a place among the two other football gods: Pelé and Maradona. But with the 2021 Copa America and now the World Cup, Messi became the greatest of them, in my opinion. Ronaldo did come close to being counted among them, simply by virtue of his outrageous goal scoring ability. But his international career fell short. He is one of the greatest players ever for sure, with an illustrious club career, full of individual awards. But now that his career is ending, to me he finished at the level of other legends like Cruyff, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Nazairo, and Beckenbauer. He probably tops that list. But he does not make the GOAT shortlist. To do that you have to become more than a player - you have to transcend football to become a national a hero and change the sport itself. You have to have created legendary moments that got burned into people's memories, and which will be remembered for generations. Ronaldo always lacked that thing you can't describe - the touch of genius that set Messi, Pelé and Maradona apart. He was a goal scoring machine, but not much else. What truly set him apart was that he was the most marketable player ever. But he's no hero - he's a brand that was distributed en masse. He's not even close to Messi. He never was.
I would put R9 in the same class, talent wise, as Maradona, Pele & Messi. Injuries, at a very young age, derailed what could’ve been potentially the greatest career ever. Remember, Ronaldo at 22 had already won the Ballon D’or & FIFA World Player twice.
@@oomar4597 dont think he would surpass Messi tho. Ronalod's best season he got 47 goals in 49 games. Messi got 73 goals in 60 games. Clear difference there and Ronaldo was a ST.
@@aidan2849 R9 scored 47 Goals at the age of 20. He could’ve come close to matching Messi’s Goal scoring records. The thing that Messi has over him is his exceptional passing ability. Messi is one of the greatest passers I’ve ever seen and he makes passes that literally make my jaw drop!
@@Johndoe-gf7eu for you not for football era it's already over mark my word in future FIFA will publish the best players of all time😍 Ronaldo would be 3 or 4
Before the WC it was debatable, Messi was 21 - 25 (peaked), CR7 was better 28 - 32 ( peaked) & of course Messi is good now at 35, but after the world cup the debate is over. Messi the goat.
@@bangladeshirealtor He subbed him off far too early, just the threat of Di Maria on the pitch was enough to scare France. Game turned on its head when he went off.
I can't imagine any player under the kind of pressure Messi was under in this Final: the pressure from his country, his peers, his team, everything. A pressure unlike anything I've seen in sport. That alone puts him above anyone else.
There was never a debate imo Messi can still turn defenders inside out with skill and pace. Ronaldo started to lose that at 32 and had to change the way he played.
Ronaldo could only ever get past 1 player anyway, he doesnt have the technical skill or agility to do what messi does, he just relied on his speed and strength.
I'm no big fan of Cristiano. But, tbf, Messi also adapted his way to play when he turned 30. He has to decide if he turns alien. Back in the days, he was alien as soon as the first whistle was blown until the game ended. I have seen so many games of him, especially from 2007-2015 that it's not fair to claim he hasn't had to adapt his style. He had to. The point here is, that - despite being 35 - he is still the best player in the world. That is something no one had ever achieved, this kind of continuity for at least 15 years. I can't recall exactly if it was in 2004 or 2005 when Dinho was voted player of year by fifa. He said in an interview after the ceremony ( and I quote): "This award here says I'm the best player in the world, but I'm not even the best player at Barcelona." He was referring to Messi, of course. I think it was in 2005, but don't nail me on that ^^
@@rpb007 at his age Messi has two ballon d'or. Until he wins one, u r emotional. Mbappe wudnt beat Ronaldo not to talk of Messi. There are level to this things.
BTW.. I didn't want Mbappe to get that 3rd goal. I wanted Hurst to hold that record forever but imagine scoring a hattrick in a World Cup final and still losing. Gutted.
people overhyped mbappes hattrick 2 penalties in for the same team in a world cup final is a disgrace and hurst achievement is stil better unless he got 2 penalty goals too of course
Mbappe shows how the penalty should be taken, pick your spot, shoot with pace and power. Even if the GK guess the direction right, there’s no chance he could have save it. Remind me of Ruud van Nistelrooy way of penalty taking
,the Argentinians scored better penalty's than Mbappe !!!. It takes some nerve and talent to just roll the ball past the keeper !!!!. Power shots do get saved !!! If the keeper guesses the right way . But to eyeball the keeper and send him the wrong way is just natural talent !!!!.
Yesterday, heart and passion won over skills AND arrogance... I am very happy that Messi fulfills his dream (and that of football fans all around the world). Congratulations Argentina, Congratulations Lionel Messi 🇦🇷🏆🐐
I'm happy you alluded to the arrogance of Mbappe and France. Argentina showed tremendous strength to come back from three body blows -- a lesser team could have not pulled that one out. Vamos Argentina!
lol in what world do france have more skills than argentina? france had advantage in physical and speed aspect and maybe more known names in the squad because argentina squad most were young and unknown. but in terms of skill passion and heart argentina is definately better even the argentina goalie outskilled the useless french ´´legend´´ lloris who can´t save penalties from 10 year old boys in trainings
There was never a debate... Messi's always been the better dribbler/ ball passer / playmaker / more consistent free kick technician / all while scoring prolifically. Cristiano could only compete with Messi on the goals front. Once his ball playing style fell off, after 2013. Mbappé is the future of football, once Messi hangs up his boots. The young lad went out on his shield. Dragging his team back into the match, after the 80th minute. Incredible talent.
@@Johndoe-gf7eu clowns like u are the reason y penaldo keep lying to himself.. penaldoo is old thats all.. messi has 6 golden boots clown..ronaldo at messi age never had the amount of goals messi has..penaldoo is just old..
@@Johndoe-gf7eu The amount of goals isn’t everything. Messi has a higher goal count per game, straight up more assists, is two years younger than Ronaldo (less time in the leagues) and has shown to be the better leader.
I couldn't agree more, I've been saying it for years. Unfortuantly we're living in a time where stats are the deciding factor on a players quality for some strange reason but if you just watch both players with your eyes, Messi is miles ahead
beg to differ with all of those folks that say now that the goat debate is at last over. for the past 17-18 years there was never a genuine debate for many of us just as soon as messi had burst onto the scene under the great ronaldinho's tutelage. or if there ever was a debate, it's been settled a long time ago.
It’s even over, mans getting excited like it’s proved something 😂😂😂saying someone is the goat isn’t quantifiable by fact 😂😂😂😂its a subjective opinion. R
@@Johndoe-gf7eu as i very much appreciate your comment, i've got just one remarkable quote to share with y'all: "if you don't love messi, you don't love football !"
Agreed, there was never a question. The only people making it a debate are people that love drama and fabricating over the top rivarlies. Ronaldo is a good goal scorer, thats it. He will be remembered as a goal scorer. Messi will be remembered for his goals, assists technical ability, dribbling and all the creative little things he does on the pitch. I find it funny how ronaldo is never compared with Pele or Maradona, but Messi is. I think thats quite telling.
You can really tell the debate was settled after the final by the fashion in which Ronaldo fans reacted to it. Their arguments went from elevating Ronaldo to headlessly bashing on Messi and claiming the whole tournament was rigged. It just reeked of desperation. That's how you know they're lost. They're both amazing players, but it's never been a debate in my mind.
I will be honest, I'm a united fan and a few months ago i would have said Ronaldo is the greatest cause i was bias but now that I don't have that bias towards him anymore it's obvious messi is the better player.
Mbappe scored 4 goals in one game whereas Kane only scored 3 goals in 5 games and yet the British still hype up Kane as the best striker in the world, yeah right 🤣🤣
I'm mean......we are England and kane is English? What tf did you think was going to happen? literally every country hypes up their nations best player😂.......
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 He's still got 12 goals in 15 games in the league as well he is still bagging goals now in and despite his bottlejob at the WC still had 5G/a in 5 games. It's a shame about his ankle injuries he was run into the ground and lost a bit of pace his prime came a couple years to early for england
This debate is OVER for those who only take the prize as the ultimate GOAT indicator. For a real football fan, this debate was over a long long time ago and some think this was never a debate to begin with.
In a penalty, goalkeeper is already at a disadvantage, and strikers do all kind of shenanigans in their run up, some delay it; so anything that helps a goalkeeper to level a playing field is fair game.
1)There was never a debate to begin with. 2)There was never a comparison to begin with. 3)The goat debate was invented by ESPN and the media. 4)Messi should have only be compared to Arjen Robben and Neymar. 5)Ronaldo is just a good goal scorer to be compared with Drogba, Tevez, Aguero, Suarez, Batistuta, Mbappe etc... That's the right comparison. 6)The greatest Ronaldo accomplishment was to be compared with Messi for 15 years. 7)The only HATE for Ronaldo is that he was too overrated for too long. 8)Stop using Messi in the same sentence with Ronaldo.
This was my first time watching WC and before the tournament starter I predicted the final 2 teams, the score and the winner funny enough. My cousin who has played his whole life said it was too good to be true and would never happen but it did. I wish I was more shocked but I'm so happy for Messi. Definitely made me a new fan.
The debate was already over even when Messi just started because Ronaldinho declared to others that they were going to see the greatest player ever in Messi!!
Ronaldo has more goals than all 3, how can you seriously say he isn’t up there. That’s just agenda and bias, man has scored 800+ goals. You just sound stupid saying that, no one will take you serious
@@Johndoe-gf7eu The debate is who's the goat not who's scored the most goals, Pele's goal per game ratio is far better than Ronaldos , you didn't mention Ronaldo scored 130 penalties in his 800 Pele scored 30 , Pele has 3 world cup medal's Ronaldo has never scored a goal in the knock out rounds in 4 world cups.
@@rosshaugh7937 i don’t wanna be a hater but I honestly can’t listen to talkSPORT on a Saturday because of them two ! Who should hear hear on the other clip … Jesus. Jamie is 100% right, he keeps it’s real.
EMI Martinez was outstanding and I’m over the moon for the wee guy from Rosario I actually tipped France before it started but still screaming my head off during that game for Argentina to win
Toxic Messi and Ronaldo fans be like: - Gain superiority complex just for saying “I like Messi/Ronaldo” - Get genuinely pissed off when someone says something bad about their favorite player - Try their hardest to defend their favorite and start attacking other people who don’t agree - Feel better about themselves when the other player is doing bad (that’s messed up when you think about it) - Gain overconfidence when their favorite is doing well - Dismiss the other’s achievements Everyone out here just enjoying Football and the toxic Messi/Ronaldo fans just focused on what to say to attack others. Waiting until something happens so they can go online and start hating, those fans probably don’t even watch much football.
Messi fans need to realize that there's something called personal opinions and it's okay for people to have different opinions. There's more to football than passing and dribbling. If I were to rate their strength this is how I would rate them. Dribbling: Messi 10 CR7 6 Passing: Messi 10 CR7 7 Heading: Messi 5 CR7 10 Sprinting: Messi 8 CR7 9 Aerial: Messi 5 CR7 10 Left foot: Messi 10 CR7 7 Right foot: Messi 4 CR7 10 Leadership: Messi 7 CR7 9 Goal scoring: Messi 10 CR7 10 Assist: Messi 10 CR7 7 Physique: Messi 7 CR7 10 Penalties: Messi 8 CR7 9 Freeckicks: Messi 7 CR7 6 So CR7 > Messi in my opinion. CR7 is more complete.
@@jamespalmer980 Messi has a better goals per game ratio throughout his career and a ton more assists. He was still smashing it during the decline Barcelona as well. His records against the prem teams (best in the world apparently) in the champions league is also incredible so I'm not really buying it.
@@guccibase Didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion but it’s an ignorant one. Messi is technically on another level to Ronaldo & it’s not difficult to see, CR7 may be able to match him for goals but he’s never dictated games on his own like Messi does
There shouldn’t have been a debate anyway all you have to do is watch football to see who was better but I’m glad he’s won cos now there’s no argument at all
Did watch Portugal? How can it end the debate when one guy BIG LUCK (messi) and the other guy very unlucky (cr7)??? Its the same with messis stats during Prime barca while ronaldo had to play in broken Madrid (0-5 and 2-6 El clasico first season) No doubt messi is very talented and most gifted player but he isnt better than cr7 and maradona
@@Dranzer21 I watched and a saw a "good" performance. His teammates played well too... btw: Which did biased messifan(boys) blame this time if Argentina not won WC 2022? You couldnt pick SERIE A RECORD TOPSCORER Higauin this time due he retired long ago
@@aryan.4855 no he didn't. He's never been anywhere near as good a footballer as messi. The void between the two is huge the only thing that makes it close is the numbers.
@@reddev96 Messis always been the better footballer but tbf performance wise he did kind of keep up with him or get as close as you could get I'd say until around 2015? Cause he was doing crazy things in his prime also If that's fair to him, but from then on anyone who didn't say Messi I'd ask what they were watching or smoking lol
@@deepankarbiswal6915 💯. I watched so many matches of ronaldo. Till this day i dint understand why people compare them. You have messi and then a very big space between him and the 2nd best player in history. In my eyes that was maradona, because he preformed 🪄 also. Ronaldo is just a finisher
@@WZG897 most of the top ranking never put Maradona as the 2nd best player, its messi or Ronaldo. Maradona was not great and also the football in the 80s 90s was very different than it is today. You can't compare modern football to the old one. Makes no sense
Messi is the goat and maradona had magical moments and the talent. They both have the wachtfactor also the 🪄. They both carried a bad argentina team to the worldcup finals en even win it. Ronaldo is just a goalscorer and relies on his teammates to create goals for him. His skills are most of the time just bs with no efficiency. Ronaldo at number 2 is just BS. Ronaldo is just PR. I am not a ronaldo hater. I admire his work and for me he is at 4. Messi Maradona R9 CR7
On penalties from 12 yards pro players should score. Keepers have to stay on there line and somehow save it. Have to use everything you can to your advantage...
The debate has never existed, Messi has always been better at PLAYING football than Ronaldo those who want to raise CR7 to Messi's level simply don't know football. You may mention that in your opinion Cristiano is better but in reality the facts speak for themselves.
Which facts? All you can say is Messi best playmaker but ignore how much luck he have on his teammates compared to Ronaldo. Is messi now better than ronaldo in aerial skills after WC final? No and there are plenty abilities messi dont surpass ronaldo. Ronaldo has records messi will never break and so is the opposite.
The way ronaldo has handled the end of his career has made messi the goat before the world cup, humble, passionate, true professional. Ronaldo’s ego trumps everything else.
There was never a debate. Any person who is unbiased and who knows football clearly can see there is no comparison at all. Messi is by far the greatest player of the modern era. The way he plays brings magic and on top of that doing that at the highest level for over 15+ years is insane! Messi, the GOAT!
People who understand even a bit about Football always knew Messi was arguably the greatest along with Maradona..and to do it in the WC at 35 was mind boggling.. no one else could have done that!!!
Ronaldo has gone from #2 behind Messi to barely a top 5 player of his generation. His huge ego, toxic behaviour and selfish personality ruined both Juventus and Manure. He does more harm than good these days. Even was a colossal distraction for Portugal. Crynaldo has become a meme. To even compare him to Messi is insulting and embarrassing to all football fans. At this point, the only people who still rate Crynaldo are simps who are in love with him but don't understand football.
Ronaldo played for Juventus only for like 2 years and still became the top scorer, your jealousy towards Ronaldo won't do anything, not much would care bout your opinion
@@rpb007 joined a team that had won 9 titles in a row and ruined them with his toxic ego. Your love for Ronaldo is laughable, he's not gay though so your simping and hoping he will fall in love with you will count for nothing bro
The GOAT debate was over long time ago. For me personally, it was settled when I first saw Messi at 17yrs old. The debate was over once Messi was born. This world cup has nothing to do with it
@@bashuggs1205 yes it does 😂😂😂😂argument was over ages ago. Played a massive part, started against poland and made a game winning block. Started another game and has been used a sub several timeS
Dont worry roger, these people see anything united related and seethe through their teeth 😂😂😂we have a world cup winner, souness and carragher will be fuming 😂😂
@@bashuggs1205 wins the world cup but doesn’t disregard their argument 😂😂😂😂im crying hahahahaha, just admit youre wrong, martinez is a success, its okay to admit
It was over when Messi joined the lowers leagues in France in the USA. Great players don't play against inferior opposition. It's like Verstappen winning races in F2 and people comparing him to Hamilton in F1.
Deschamps was brilliant in game. The first 2 subs were taken off to try slow down Argentina from pressing even further ahead. Then Coman and Camavinga brought the legs and energy and it almost paid off. They should have been dead and buried. Southgate wont dare make take those risks. Grealish 2 minutes🙄 let's hope he learned from that final.
@@deepankarbiswal6915 thats because they both accomplished it before they were old, unlike messi, however I said on par didnt say they were better than him or him better than them, I recognise greatness which he has now achieved, thus he can imo now be classed as the same as the other goats, messi is greatest in our generation like Pele and Maradona were in theirs and to suggest messi is better shows how little you know of football , im guessing but your probably 15 to 25 years old and love fifa 😉
it was over years ago really, but the press get giddy like kids in a sweet shop. Ronnies been a tool on & off for decades now.. remember the wink ? plus he dived for most of his free kicks & pens in our league so has no class in my mind. Just strong & powerful like the laughing mbappe.. another star that showed he's got attitude problems.. Messi just has more class on & off the pitch.
Messi has always been humble. There was an interview when he was 16 years old and had the same attitude as he does now. As for Mbappé, I think he has time to change especially since Messi is on his team and can teach him a lot.
Messi has been the greatest of his era since he was 23 or 24. It never needed the World Cup to confirm that. First there was Pele, then Maradona, and now Messi. It could be a long time until we see a player of that legendary calibre.
If Messi is the best, then how did he lose to Saudi? Surely part of the criteria of being the best is to never lose to a team like Saudi? Control ur emotions, your intoxicated by messis team winning the cup
Mbappe just showed the English what it means to be elite.. Mbappe took 3 penalties in a World Cup final against arguably the best goalie at saving them.. Harry can learn something. Respect 👏🏽
LOOOOOL. Don’t embarrass yourself, in the sporting world england are clear. Where is frances world champion boxers? Weak country. Great at kicking a ball around like a girl, but not good at fighting, or olympics, or F1 etc 😂😂😂
For me Argentina was first to the ball,aggressive,kept formation,and played faster than usual starts (on purpose). Threw the French off. Got up 2 nil and tried to breath a little bit and got caught slipping. The French took advantage and made it one of the greatest world cups of all time!! For me this was a beautiful game to watch from start to finish.
