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The Decline of Novgorod in EU4 

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Novgorod is an Orthodox Russian nation in EU4. In almost every game, Muscovy annexes Novgorod, and there is little that can be done to stop this. Today, I answer the question of why this is - Why is Novgorod so weak in EU4? There are a plethora of reasons for this that I will address in this short animated history documentary. This is EU4 history, a theme in which I explore the history behind the game in Europa Universalis IV, with such questions as "Why is CILLI A DIPLOMACY GOD in EU4?" and "Why is ENRIQUE so TERRIBLE in EU4?". Have any questions or history that you'd like me to explore! Let me know in the comments below!
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Novgorod is the trading merchant republic of the Russian peoples. Novgorod was the original capital of the Rus, until it was transferred to Kiev in 882. After the Novgorodian uprising of 1136 against its prince, Vsevolod Mstislavich, a unique form of government, known as "boyar republic" or "merchant republic", was established in the city. The Novgorodian republic gradually expanded north and east, and continued to prosper as a center of trade, mainly in fur. While it was mostly spared the terror of Mongol invasion that befell the rest of Russia between 1223 and 1240, it still had to pay tribute to the Khan. The republic continued to be relatively prosperous, but its sovereignty was being gradually undermined by the more and more powerful Muscovite princes; first by the Treaty of Yazhelbitsy in 1456, then after the disastrous Battle of Shelon in 1471. Novgorod was fully annexed by Moscow in 1478, after Ivan III sent his armies against the city. Novgorod continued to be an important city within the Muscovite and subsequently Russian state until the famine of 1560s and the Massacre of Novgorod in 1570, when Ivan the Terrible slaughtered thousands of inhabitants, ransacked the city, and had its elite killed or deported. From a city that once rivaled Moscow, Novgorod was reduced to a provincial town.
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@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Hey guys, I'd just like to correct myself at 2:27, instead of 'grand duchy' it should be 'kingdom'. I'm glad lots of people enjoy these videos and I plan to continue making them, if you have any suggestions let me know.
@acegamergoldie1008
@acegamergoldie1008 3 года назад
U should probably pin this so people see it
@emanuelaydin3306
@emanuelaydin3306 3 года назад
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@trippkhalid1331
@trippkhalid1331 3 года назад
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@nikolasalfredo6163
@nikolasalfredo6163 3 года назад
@Emanuel Aydin Yea, I have been watching on Flixzone} for years myself =)
@baron6541
@baron6541 3 года назад
"Vasily the Blind eventually came out on top and focused his sights on conquering the rest of Russia" What Sights?
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
That was on purpose... xD
@baron6541
@baron6541 3 года назад
@@TheSocialStreamers lol
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Did you enjoy the video?
@baron6541
@baron6541 3 года назад
@@TheSocialStreamers yeah
@psychoperxtor
@psychoperxtor 3 года назад
Nice pfp
@goopy79
@goopy79 3 года назад
In the 2000 hours of EU4 I've played, I have never seen Novgorod survive past 50 years
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Indeed, did you enjoy the video? :)
@just_pleb8977
@just_pleb8977 3 года назад
it happened to me once novgorod was allied with lithuania and managed to stay intact until 1650 (stopped my game here)
@marcinkusmierzak991
@marcinkusmierzak991 3 года назад
I have seen few games when Novgorod survived longer or together with Ryazan and the hordes destroyed Muscovy, once Novgorod even formed Russia because Ottomans helped them in the war against Muscovy. It depends a lot on relations between Muscovy, Denmark, Poland, Lithuania and even Ottomans (sometimes Ottomans ally Muscovy or Russia because PLC is their common enemy)
@FolgoreCZ
@FolgoreCZ 3 года назад
I think I saw Novgorod forming Russia couple of times, if it wasn't a fever dream. :-D But I also think it was before the Third Rome DLC.
@whitegold2960
@whitegold2960 3 года назад
Novgorod survived quite a few games in my 2000 hours like 5-6 times. Surprisingly in my first full game ever from which I thought Novgorod was the major power in Russia. But that was all before the third rome dlc and patch think the new vassals are the death of ai Novgorod
@bjornhurrdurrsson
@bjornhurrdurrsson 3 года назад
Every EU4 game, Muscovy annexes one Novgorod. Together we can stop this!
@cyrap6165
@cyrap6165 3 года назад
Nah im my byzantium game they allied the ottomans:D
@nahlokin6509
@nahlokin6509 3 года назад
Now Denmark bully Muscovy and Russia never form
@hellbringersbrother
@hellbringersbrother 3 года назад
@@nahlokin6509 I've seen Russia form recently, except Novgorod was still alive in its northernmost province and allied to Denmark.
@Seahawksby100
@Seahawksby100 3 года назад
Huge fan of this series of videos. Knowing the context of certain rulers and tags adds some good flavor to the 1444 start date.
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Thanks man, means alot! Got a few more plans so stay tuned!
@Pasha4579
@Pasha4579 3 года назад
I am russian, and as a history teacher should say this is a very good video! Nice job)
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Thanks alot, glad you enjoyed it!
@jameskinney3896
@jameskinney3896 3 года назад
3:01 Impressive for a blind man
@panzerofthelake506
@panzerofthelake506 3 года назад
Lol
@SqurrielEMT
@SqurrielEMT 3 года назад
I’m actually enjoying this series you have been doing.
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Thanks a lot! Appreciate you sticking around :)
@HeyImLucious
@HeyImLucious 3 года назад
"Vasily The Blind ... focused his *sights* on Novgorod" I hope that was on purpose lol
@mshaqed2538
@mshaqed2538 3 года назад
>Vasily the blind >Focused his sights on Novgorod. Are you sure about that?
@gintaras1.5v79
@gintaras1.5v79 3 года назад
Next gameplay video idea: Trying to survive as Novgorod in speed 5 ?
@itsbebhere
@itsbebhere 3 года назад
In one of my recent campaigns (Oda) I was surprised to arrive Europe and discover Novgorod alive and having all the Finland in ~1600
@Notmyname1593
@Notmyname1593 3 года назад
Had a similar experience with Korea. At first it seemed like normal Russia, then I noticed a tiny Muscovy in Perm and indeed Russia was novgorodian culture.
@Dumdragoon
@Dumdragoon 3 года назад
what have they done to my boy. novgorod with the old estates was huge
@mbrusyda9437
@mbrusyda9437 3 года назад
I've revived the Roman Empire, I've reformed Andalusia, I've rebuilt the Mongol Empire, yet I've never survived the first war against Muscovy as Novgorod
@CryNSyde
@CryNSyde 3 года назад
2:52 Song: "Dance of the Knights" By Prokofiev
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 3 года назад
Coincidentally enough, I played Novgorod, like, last week or so, and I managed to eventually stomp over Muskovy. Wasn't _very_ easy, but I did it. All I had to do is be Poland-Lithuania and the Great Horde's best friend.
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
You might find the video interesting given the context :)
@Aldiyawak
@Aldiyawak 3 года назад
@@TheSocialStreamers just coincidentally passing by 1:55 stating Novgorod became Golden Horde's tributary! This is nuts
@jonb914
@jonb914 3 года назад
Historic Novgorod: "Oh so they accepted the call to arms? That must be nice."
@konstantinmilyutin1190
@konstantinmilyutin1190 3 года назад
Fun fact - in 14th century the Masters' Council (Совет Господ, Soviet Gospod) of Novgorod was created, which literally consisted only of the corporate representatives (I mean trade guilds - "Sotnya"s - which had strong ties with Hansa) and the most influential boyars. This literally meant that the medival Veche direct democracy was overthrown by oligarchic junta which had way more similarities with German city-states, than the original democratic rule of Novgorod. Many Russian researchers see this coup as the start of deterioration of novgorodian strength (as an example, Pskov, which previously was a Prigorod (Suburbia, administrative region of The City of Novgorod), had broken free in the same 14th century). Fun fact n2 - there never was such thing as a "Ruler" of Novgorod. Sure there were elected magistrates and invited Princes, but the thing is that in Novgorod only the City Itself (Great Master Novgorod - Gospodin Velikiy Novgorod) had the highest authority, which meant that not only Rurikovichs ruled over Rus, but also Novgorod and Pskov were literally considered princes by itselves
@easytiger6570
@easytiger6570 3 года назад
А ничего что Псков был только дэ юре под Новгородом еще столетие до Болотовского договора?
@cubeson4168
@cubeson4168 3 года назад
2:27 "Grand duchy of Poland" am I forgetting some part of history, or was it a mistake? Poland was a kingdom since 1025
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Thanks for pointing the mistake out, I'll pin a comment so people know its kingdom
@northlist
@northlist 3 года назад
Babe wake up, TheSocialStreamers uploaded
@marcinszekiel9149
@marcinszekiel9149 3 года назад
Very nice video! There's one little mistake - during battle of Grunwald Poland had already been a kingdom - ruled by a King, not a Grand Duke.
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 3 года назад
We should start with the fact that Poland was never a Grand Duchy.
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 3 года назад
When your vision transcends vision...
@xcheesyxbaconx
@xcheesyxbaconx 3 года назад
In EU3 Novgorod often took over Muscovy (like 50% of the time or more) and it was pretty annoying.
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Ah, that's not very historically accurate lol! Did you enjoy the video? :)
@thedude5294
@thedude5294 3 года назад
EU3 starts in 1399, in the game Muscovy is weaker than Novogord at this time.
@sargafekete_7512
@sargafekete_7512 3 года назад
Novgorod winning is way better than Muscovy winning,I'm ready to ally Novgorod while I only would fight against Muscovy in EU4, can't let the Finno-Ugrics fall
@MonsieurBananes
@MonsieurBananes 3 года назад
Playing as Novgorod is like playing as Granada or Byzantium: YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME
@rommelcandiani6358
@rommelcandiani6358 3 года назад
Not as bad but still pretty bad
@MonsieurBananes
@MonsieurBananes 3 года назад
@@rommelcandiani6358 Out of all three, I'd say Granada is probably the hardest, then Byzantium, and lastly Novgorod
@jbxerr
@jbxerr 3 года назад
Byzantium is not so hard to play if u beat Ottomans once and reclaim greece lands.
@MonsieurBananes
@MonsieurBananes 3 года назад
@@jbxerr Same with Novgorod tho: if you can beat muscovy in one war, you can beat him in another
@marcinkusmierzak991
@marcinkusmierzak991 3 года назад
Novgorod with new mercs in 1.30 has a good start - just get mil tech 4 before Muscovy, hire mercs with good shock general, morale or discipline advisor and consecrate metropolitan to get an icon. You can win without any allies and AE is not a problem because there aren't many orthodox nations.
@user-xw5xo3bv1n
@user-xw5xo3bv1n 3 года назад
0:43 You forgot to mention how Rus became "Kievan" in the first place only because Oleg, prince who came from the north, conquered it.
@feldspaarr
@feldspaarr 3 года назад
This is my favorite of your series
@Arthur-jx8bm
@Arthur-jx8bm 3 года назад
Are you guys gonna review leviathan? Great vid as always!
@panzerofthelake506
@panzerofthelake506 3 года назад
Love your content it's fun to learn the history behind these games. This also helps a lot of people to get into history
@ShahjahanMasood
@ShahjahanMasood 3 года назад
During the starting years of EU4 we see the collapse of the maghreb event, I would love a video on why these nations that once exercised great power became so weak and collapsed? Was it inevitable? or was it avoidable?
@125discipline2
@125discipline2 3 года назад
Vasily's Muscovy Campaign, Blind Playthrough
@albinosbruh4713
@albinosbruh4713 3 года назад
Im here so quick like Novgorod dies so quick in eu4
@Mapsnshit
@Mapsnshit 3 года назад
Fun fact about decisive event that marked huge decline and later Novgorod sizing to exist: At battle of Shelon River, Muscovites were been outnumbered 6 to 1, or 30k to 5k, and yet smaller but more experienced army defeat big but weak Novgorod army
@sodinc
@sodinc Год назад
Yeah, army of Moscow was purely "professional", while Novgorod's one was more a militia. Strangely enough - relatively soon after taking Novgorod under control Moscow abandoned professional army in favour of the massive semi-trained one. It hugely changed the russian society
@Alexandru1996_
@Alexandru1996_ 3 года назад
I have noticed Novgorod survive the whole game at least once...but it was becouse Muscowy was broken by some powerful enemy
@Clear_Ski3s
@Clear_Ski3s 3 года назад
These videos are great, thanks for making em
@Alexandru-yp7kw
@Alexandru-yp7kw 3 года назад
How does this man wonders about eveything I dont but would still want to hear
@louisianaman2025
@louisianaman2025 3 года назад
what song is that at 2:46 i can never find it for some reason
@camdennorris7548
@camdennorris7548 3 года назад
Prokofiev dance of the knights
@WBCY2024
@WBCY2024 3 года назад
@@camdennorris7548 ur amazing
@gileadlothain4669
@gileadlothain4669 3 года назад
The lady in the thumbnail looks oddly like Catherine from Civ 4 but dressed in Fine Clothes from skyrim? Is it just me, or am I seeing things?
@Gelthon
@Gelthon 3 года назад
In my last campaign as Austria did Novogorod not fall. They allied the Ottomans and finally pushed Muscovy a bit back, but it ended in a stalemate and nobody formed Russia...
@SyamuNekoSan
@SyamuNekoSan 3 года назад
Paradox: Novgorod will always fall Arumba: Not in my guard
@When_did_they_add_handles
@When_did_they_add_handles 3 года назад
Loving these EU4 lore videos
@SadFloridaMan
@SadFloridaMan 3 года назад
There was only one campaign I’ve ever played where I’ve seen Novgorod survive. I think they achieved this because they had a balance of power type thing with Muscovy.
@simpasaurussmooth67
@simpasaurussmooth67 3 года назад
In my Hungary save Novogorod actually beat Muscovy and formed Russia them self. I have no idea how they managed it but I love it when unexpected shit like that happens in eu4.
@imdyt8772
@imdyt8772 3 года назад
Nice, I like these videos
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
I have some great ideas going forward so stay tuned! :)
@campbell1213
@campbell1213 3 года назад
These videos are class I’m a fan
@irmaosmatos4026
@irmaosmatos4026 3 года назад
This is very cool, but can I make a suggestion? Instead of using this flags with eyes, use countryballs.
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Thanks for the suggestion :), appreciate it!
@noahlindgren1014
@noahlindgren1014 3 года назад
“Vasily the blind focused his sights...”
@frenchdonut22
@frenchdonut22 Год назад
I’m stating an Novgorod save today
@ethanm4589
@ethanm4589 3 года назад
In my first game play novigorod allied with common wealth and conquered Muscovy
@jesusmoron7713
@jesusmoron7713 3 года назад
Like genoa but in green
@philbaaa1175
@philbaaa1175 3 года назад
Me buying Eu4 in 2014 and playing Novgorod in his first Eu4 round ever
@christremblay9039
@christremblay9039 3 года назад
What is the mod used at the begining when u speak about oleg of Novgorod ?
@maksmoskwa8516
@maksmoskwa8516 3 года назад
I saw 3 games when AI Novogord form Russia
@kamileksanek
@kamileksanek 3 года назад
2:26 "Great duchy of Poland" ???
@williamsantos9471
@williamsantos9471 3 года назад
"Hey guys, I'd just like to correct myself at 2:27, instead of 'grand duchy' it should be 'kingdom'. I'm glad lots of people enjoy these videos and I plan to continue making them, if you have any suggestions let me know."
@andrisvin9521
@andrisvin9521 3 года назад
What's the mod for the map in the beggining of the video with big Kievan Rus ?
@fine1298
@fine1298 3 года назад
fur and copper, makes sweden so damn op
@Bobbloob
@Bobbloob 3 года назад
2:50 what is this music
@lillapis6545
@lillapis6545 3 года назад
hey I’m early, time to watch swag video
@Martin-eu2ke
@Martin-eu2ke 3 года назад
I would play if could use siberian frontier.
@cinni2056
@cinni2056 3 года назад
rip :c
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
Hello darkness my old friend...
@jnkerpol4211
@jnkerpol4211 3 года назад
What was the song at 2:48 ?
@jnkerpol4211
@jnkerpol4211 2 года назад
Still waiting
@weisman4564
@weisman4564 3 года назад
Novgorod was big and rich, but Novgorodian population was lower then muscovian, and it’s one of the reason of nowgorodian defeat in Russian battle royale xd. Anyways I proud of novgorodians, they saved Russians, and orthodox faith. They gifted glory to Russians like Muscovy
@adamwiszniowski9869
@adamwiszniowski9869 3 года назад
2:27 at this time Poland was already a Kingdom
@vikingdazed7366
@vikingdazed7366 3 года назад
I vaguly remembering trying on the challenge of novogord, and after some determination coming up ahead and forming russia, I also remember Spain colonized siberia, since i figured if i wanted a colonial russia i would have started as mucovy
@sexyautisticman8200
@sexyautisticman8200 3 года назад
What song was playing
@Zenitchik_130
@Zenitchik_130 3 года назад
Грустная история моего города
@alanbernhardt6167
@alanbernhardt6167 3 года назад
I have seen Novogrod form Russia once.
@easytiger6570
@easytiger6570 3 года назад
It's not that Novgorod is weak, it is that Muscovy isn't
@vincentmalasawmkimajongte7489
@vincentmalasawmkimajongte7489 2 года назад
Who's the woman in the thumbnail?
@ameyaagarwal1170
@ameyaagarwal1170 3 года назад
Unless it is guaranteed by Ottoblobs. Then all shit goes loose
@AbdulGoodLooks
@AbdulGoodLooks 3 года назад
Or if it joins the HRE
@sprites75
@sprites75 3 года назад
even a player Novgorod has trouble winning that war. the AI fails miserably 95% of the time
@Matas2005
@Matas2005 3 года назад
Grand Duchy of Poland? What? Are you some child-style historian?
@eomersonoftheoden3809
@eomersonoftheoden3809 3 года назад
in my most recent campaing Novgorod beat russia.. i dont know how but they did it first time ive seen it in my 1200hours
@thethirdsicily4802
@thethirdsicily4802 3 года назад
In all my years, I found Novgorod winning ONCE, in my Catholic Qing game.
@Gokaes
@Gokaes 3 года назад
What you said they didnt have to annex them in 4 wars like in eu4? or like how ottomans took egypt in a single war. lol
@danijelblair9087
@danijelblair9087 3 года назад
Whats the song at 2:47 ?
@dl7096
@dl7096 3 года назад
I think it’s dance of the knights by Prokofiev I might be wrong though
@danijelblair9087
@danijelblair9087 3 года назад
@@dl7096 i think it is, grazie mille :)
@creeper2740
@creeper2740 3 года назад
On very hard muscovy mostly always dies :D
@historyvideos122
@historyvideos122 3 года назад
is it me or his brightness is low
@holydoggo4822
@holydoggo4822 3 года назад
wait... is this actual history???
@thenamesianna
@thenamesianna Год назад
Probably
@klaasvaak2575
@klaasvaak2575 3 года назад
simple, because Novgorod never allied poland and denmark, making it possible to vassalize tver and call poland-lituania AND denmark & co in his defensive war.
@NessieAndrew
@NessieAndrew 3 года назад
You should learn how to skew the point of view on the EU4 map.
@youknowme4323
@youknowme4323 3 года назад
Funny in my last Mongol campaign Novgorod clapped muscovy and russia never formed, making my campaign easy
@HeyItsJakegaming
@HeyItsJakegaming 3 года назад
The 0.01% of games in which Novogorod allies Ottomans...
@vank91
@vank91 3 года назад
*DAY 4 OF ASKING TSS TO PLAY KING ARTHUR*
@Dominik-lc4pl
@Dominik-lc4pl 3 года назад
Poland should guarantee Novgorod in Eu4. Muscovy would have to wait for a moment when Poland wouldn't answer the call, which would be much more accurate
@adwans1491
@adwans1491 3 года назад
Poland cant guarantee Novgorod
@brianbates212
@brianbates212 3 года назад
But they should also have a permanent subjugation CB so that when they do win the war they get the whole thing rather than needing at least 3 wars...
@Dominik-lc4pl
@Dominik-lc4pl 3 года назад
@@brianbates212 Idk, I didn't get it from the video: did Muscovy full anex them in one war or did they survive on the White Sea's shores for some more time? In any case, subjugation probably isn't it, they actually conquered them and massacred the city of Novgorod. If they made them a vassal they would have to respect their half sovereign status. Also Musovy already has a ton of vassals and this one would be huge
@easytiger6570
@easytiger6570 3 года назад
@@Dominik-lc4pl Subjugation and later on an event to annex Novgorod but reducing its development by a half, as it was in our timeline
@brianbates212
@brianbates212 3 года назад
@@Dominik-lc4pl They took control / basically removed the republic government but it took ~15 years to fully pacify (integrate) all of the territory so force vassal + integrate would be the closest in-game equivalent. Certainly a more accurate portrayal than 30+ years of wars which is the current version. One addition would be the historic rival modifier would need to go as soon as the subjugation was completed. And yes, the massacre used to be an event that reduced Novgorod's development numbers in earlier versions of the game.
@ke-xs7yd
@ke-xs7yd 3 года назад
Poland has the rank of kingdom in 1410, not grand duchy
@johnconnor8206
@johnconnor8206 Год назад
Alexander nevsky
@user-vv1vu4yg1i
@user-vv1vu4yg1i 3 года назад
How about making a vid about why Muscovy is so shit in 1.30? Really, I played 3 campaigns(Castile, England, France), where I didn't touch them. Sooo, GREAT HORDE CREATED GOLDEN HORDE BY 1650-S
@matthewjmcgraw
@matthewjmcgraw 3 года назад
I WAS THE 1000TH LIKE
@NeoMicy
@NeoMicy 3 года назад
Do you research mate its well documented that medival battles take 2 months to half a year. xD
@stevebezfamilnii2069
@stevebezfamilnii2069 3 года назад
So many errors, you should learn history better before making video about it.
@TheSocialStreamers
@TheSocialStreamers 3 года назад
What errors are you referring to? This was the source I used:www.jstor.org/stable/4205876?seq=1
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