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Thanks for the comparison. I appreciate in particular that you spent some time to find the best spot to mic on the Hesu. I can’t stand that about most RU-vid speaker reviews/comparisons - not every speaker is going to want to be mic’d the same as everyone does with a v30 or even sound best with a 57. Moreover it’s okay to try different speakers, mics, mic placement etc. I may have to get one of these it sounds great.
I'm happy if you found it helpful. In future I'll split the video into two segments. One half on the sweet spot and the other half on the same spot as the V30
What did you think of the Hesu Demon and the adjusted testing approach? Get the IRs here: www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/j0c28sbsx2vkdeydef8gu/h?rlkey=31jll7stmi5ajztj9bn7pdx8o&dl=0
Looking forward to trying these out. Thanks for the amazing vids. Is it time for you to release tabs for your test riff? 😀 It would be interesting to have the DI track of your riff you use in videos for comparing my own v30's to yours.
As always, great content. Entertaining and I'm glad to see testing done by someone who actually cares about being thorough. The Hesu IR is also fantastic. Keep it up.
Sounds real good man. I essentially disregarded this speaker because of how it was demoed in many videos. Just sounded way way too bright. Here though micd further out it sounds great. Nice work!
The two-pronged approach seems like a good idea. The reference spot would be were most sound engineers toss a mic on most cabs after throwing a flashlight on your cab for 5 seconds, but the sweet spot is a highly subjective thing.
Sweet spot find o matic. I love it. Your insistance on adjusting variables is noteworthy. I like your use of available parts to get it done. As the speakers go, i think I could live with either.
I love the naturally scooped tone of the Demon. I think it'd really benefit from a low pass filter. Unfiltered I prefer the V30 but I think the Demon would sound better than the V30 with some post-EQ. The V30 sounds like it has more upper mids/smoother trebles and would cut through a live mix better. The Demon sounds like the speaker I would rather do a death metal record with. The low-mid scoop sounds metal as fuck. I'd want the V30 for playing live though. The Demon sounds like it would have some ice picky or fuzzy trebles on stage. Definitely love having the V30 to compare it to. Your channel deserves so many more subscribers John, amazing work. Thank you!
Ever since I switched to Hesu I actually found it to be the opposite. I cut thru a mix with ease and they don’t have that top end fizziness you sometimes get with v30s but to each their own. We all got diff ears and preferences! I swore by v30’s for the past 20 years. The demon speakers benefit from a bit more resonance dialed in than a v30 imo but that’s just me. I found I had to make some slight adjustments to my eq when I made the switch but I finally found something that, for me, dethroned the V30
@@adriantravelian2216 for sure it’s also depending the company they were manufactured for. V30’s in a Mesa 4x12 at least older ones sound much different than ones in a Marshall or Orange etc… the v30’s in my Mesa 4x12 are much darker sounding than the ones out of a relatively new Orange I finally was able to get rid of. That thing weighed a F’ing ton I think the dude who sold it to me stuffed a dead body in it before or something i used it like 3 shows and just threw it in storage it was abnormally heavy. But I have no regrets switching over to Hesu. I will say tho I find that the Demon speakers as with any other speakers sound a lot diff depending the cab. Like the Hesu cab is built to suite those speakers so they sound they’re best thru that. But not all cabs/speakers/ amps work well together. I think some people think just bc v30’s are so widely used that those are gonna be the best match for whatever they’re head is.
Thanks for the IR's. The Hesu demons sound really nice. I was mostly using V30 IR's (like a lot of people, it gets boring after a while haha), it's nice to have something else to play around with. I think a mix of the two could be the way for me ;)
there‘s my old Cab again 😂😂. Yo i told you! You need to check out the hesu demon! I‘ve got it paired with a dv77. Those two speakers sound brutal together. i still got two 8ohm blackframe v30‘s from the early 90‘s for you if you wanna check them out.
Make a video on how and what you used to make the sweet spot finder. That looked like it would be very helpful when trying to record and miking up an amp!!
Thanks for the IRs. I think micing each speaker in the way that makes it sound best or possibly in the way that they sound best together, if in a comparison, would be better for me, though more work for you.
Nice one! i think finding the sweet for each speaker is the only way to fairly compare them, other than micing from far away or something like that which has its own problems. I think the HESU is cool, and for some of the riffs it sounded more appropriate, and for others the V30 sounded more suitable. I love these semi scientific videos - it is good to question the status quo find things out for yourself and not just trust "what the internet says" so I think these videos are gold. Look at what Jim Lill did with all his experiments, super popular.
Great video! They both sound good, but there's something in the Demon high end that's a little rough. Based on the SPAN plot is it that 8 kHz band that's nearly 10 dB higher than the V30? With a little cut there it might smooth out while keeping its character.
Thanks, John, the Hesu seems a little tamed vs the V30 which sounds harsh comparatively. But they both sound great together. I would say something similar to that of the DV77 and V30 together. Still, the V30 perhaps would cut better in a mix.
I do think that each speaker should be tested both ways. One standard placement and one determined by the find a spot calibration method. Very intetesting. I like it.
My Archon 50w head sounds great thru my Hesu cab that’s a bit of a darker sounding amp but I prefer my 5150iii stealth paired with it. They complement each other very nicely
Hesu demon speakers were finally the ones after god knows how many years and cabs loaded w v30’s to dethrone the v30. Being that it is in fact a bit brighter I found myself dialing in slightly more resonance than with a v30. I liked the speakers so much I actually got a Hesu vertical slant 2x12 and paired it with my 5150iii stealth and they sound great paired together. I find they offer more clarity and articulation than v30’s. I will say the Demon speakers sound best thru a Hesu cab as they are built specifically for those speakers and the cabs are built amazingly and don’t break the bank. However Hesu is not available in the US so you gotta go thru like Thomann or another European distributor. Even still to have a 2x12 shipped to NY was cheaper than most other comparable brands available right here in the states. I think I paid about $750 total that’s including shipping to get it delivered in a matter of a few days. Highly recommend getting one of their cabs if you’re gonna use the speakers the whole rig I have set up just sounds fantastic. I got rid of my Marshall 2x12 w old v30’s and my Orange 4x12 is collecting dust in storage as this has become my go to rig. Highly, highly recommend Hesu the cab and is built with the highest quality it’s an absolute blast to play
I have a hesu standard 212 and a wizard ported 112, and they are only second to my ENGL cabs in terms of build quality. As for the sound, hesu annihilates anything else, just unsuitable for bedroom volumes.
Cheers John, another interesting video! I like the Hesu and will likely pick one up in the future if I come across one. I’m a V30 fan but that might suit a darker amp great. What are the rifts you are playing through the vid? Old Killswitch?
Cheers! The riffs in the video are all my own, apart from the very first. A friend of mine came up with that. I am a big Killswitch fan and they will have influenced me a lot
The 8 ohms seem fine, your sounds quite good as does a friend of mine's. Yet, my guitarist who had a cab with 2 16 ohms was unusable. I'm not exaggerating, it was so harsh and fizzy that it wasn't just annoying when mic'd but effectively in the room and we had to change all of his patches. The guy knows nothing about speakers but hasn't lasted a month before swapping them out. So, tread carefully when grabbing a pair of 16 ohms!
Hey man, appreciate the comparison. I prefer the demon over the v30. It just sounds better to my ears. Kind of clearer and defined. What I was wondering while watching your video is the following... What is your approach on how to change speakers in terms of tightening the bolts. I just changed the v30s in my Engl 412 pro to eminence swamp thangs and wizards which by the way sounds kick ass through my herbie. I've read about warped speaker frames due to overtightening which ultimately leads to damaged speakers. Do you use a torque wrench or do you just feel when it's torqued down enough. Being an engineer myself I got quite the torque wrench collection at home but ultimately I just tightened the bolts hand tight and tried to feel when it's right. What I noticed as well was that the v30s had 4 bolts per speaker and the eminence can take 8 bolts per speaker. So I went with the 8 bolt variant tightening in a criss cross pattern and quite cautiously. What are your thoughts? Cheers 👋🏼
Hey man, thanks for the comment. So far I've just fastened them by hand but also used the cross fastening method. Same with the back panels. Doubt it makes a difference in this application but it's become a habit. I'd love to check out Swamp Thangs. Supposedly they are a bit like K100s which are great with Diezels. I had considered using a torque wrench in my big V30 shootout but decided I already had enough parameters to worry about. I have not damaged a speaker that way yet. At least not to my knowledge
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Good morning 😋 Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'm also trying to cross fasten everything I can haha it has become a habit due to working on engines etc. The reason I abandoned the idea with the torque wrench was that on some fixation points on the speaker frame the bolt head didn't settle that well so I wanted to feel when it's right and then apply a little torque as even as possible. With a torque wrench you can't feel the sweet spot very well. Reg. The swamp thangs. Try them out. They're awesome. But I wouldn't exclusively fit swamp thangs to a cab but pair them with a brighter speaker, otherwise the overall tone can get a bit dark. That's why I was looking at the Hesu Demon and your video helped a great deal. Thanks again und ein schönes Wochenende 😋
Check out some G12-60's if you can. Preferably 80's, but modern would be just fine. Next to GB's, they are def my fave speaker. I like my vintage 60's quite a bit more, but really broken in newer one's sound great.
This has nothing to do with your sound tests, but theres an old trick with subwoofers where you take 2 identical woofers and mount one backwards and reverse the phase and its supposed to cancel any woofer noise i was wondering if this would make for better recording.
Very nice. I like the demon a lot more than the V30, but I'm not sure I like it. Just got me a Jensen Raptor as it was the only speaker that didn't piss me off with some high resonance. Not sure if it's the best for metal though.
The winner is... both together! Can you be our hero and do some Weber Silver wolf and gray wolf (preferably the one with the upper mid presence if you only do one) 👍
No filters or EQ. It might not be 100% the same position. I made the IRs using my sweep rig and placed the mics as close to those positions as I could for the video. So it may not be exact down to the mm.
Hesu was 8 or 16 ohm ? Did you compare same ohms? Your Polish is not so bad man 😂😂😂 ...anyway please speak english 😝 Really good comparison. Same spot method do not work as speaker has its own sweet spot. Simple. I'vd like to see more speaker comparison. DV77 vs Hesu ? Eminenece Governor vs G12M25 Greenback WGS Veteran vs V30 ? WGS ET90 vs G12H75 creamback or with G12T75 ?
Both were 8 Ohms in this. Thank you! I'll stick to English but may sprinkle an occasional Kurwa here and there because it's a fun word 😂 I have most of the speakers in the list apart from the T-75 and the ET90. These videos are fun to me so I may do some those shootouts eventually
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Anyway thatbwas funny to hear polish from you, cool. I have Hesu 16ohm which seems too bright. Did you have a chnce to compare 16 & 8 ? Is there such a big difference ? I hear quite big diff in different ohms for V30 but never haf chance to compare other speakers
If I find a good deal on a 16 Ohm version, I might grab that. I prefer 8 Ohm versions in general because they tend to be less bright and be louder in the mids. Same ballpark tone with slightly different emphasis
