The Depravity of a Minecraft Predator | The Lionmaker Saga (Ft. The Right Opinion) 

Just wanted to make a quick clarification. Suzie was actually the one who had control over her daughter’s phone during the time Lionmaker requested nudes from the 13-year-old. This is a detail I didn't realize until after my video went up, and as a result, I was unnecessarily cruel to her for just trying to do what was right for her child. I take full responsibility for not doing the proper research and apologize for mischaracterizing that aspect of the story, it was absolutely a mistake on my end and I would like to resolve it. I hope this pinned comment can suffice as a decent explanation and apology for what I did. Thanks for reading this far and I hope you can forgive me.

Lionman: "I was in an intimate relationship with a 16 year old girl." Clown: "What is an intimate relationship?" Lionman: "I was not in an intimate relationship with a 16 year old girl." Clown: "Then why would you say you were?" Lionman: Lionman: Lionman: "I'm not playing your game."

Lionmaker: You won't let me explain. Colossal: Well explain now. Lionmaker: No. >:(

If a dude over 25 uses the “age of consent is different in some places” excuse, he will harm kids; he’s already justified it in his head.

You know you fucked up when keemstar takes a W

Actually agreeing with something Keemstar said feels like that Clickhole article titled “Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point”

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Colossal: Is water wet? Lion Maker: *sigh* Why, why, must you ask these things? Water can be whatever it wants, it doesn't matter what I think about it. You're asking ,me this question to try and get something out of me that I didn't do! Colossal: So, water is wet?

"Were I, as a 28 year old to date a 16 year old, be fucked up, morally in your eyes?" really is the perfectly crafted loaded question. If he says it isn't fucked up, then it shows he thinks that's okay, making his whole story much more suspect. If he says he thinks it is fucked up, then he admits he knows what he did was wrong and has been dodging repercussions the whole time. Brilliant

The fact that he's walking free at all is disgusting.

Lionmaker be like: she's 13, which is close to 14, but 15 is the new 14 so we can round it up to 16 which is just a little below 17 so she's actually 18

The way Lionmaker says "I was VERY protective over her." Is how I'd imagine a groomer would say it/justify it, what a disgusting human being.

the age of consent should mean for 16 year olds being able to give consent to other sixteen year olds, not for 20 somethings to justify their predatory behavior

I hate the fact that Paige felt that she needed to apologize for lying on Lion's behalf. That broke my heart.

he says the age of consent in some nations is 14 but fails to clarify that's between teenagers of that age .

Colossal is so good at interrogation that he gets the answer he wants without ever intimidating him into answering

You can almost always tell someone's guilt based on how lengthy their response to simple questions are.

He’s ONLY sorry he was caught. Point. Blank. Period.

I really hate them saying "relationship" because it was not a relationship. She couldn't consent to that with him, it was abuse.

Colossal: *Makes valid and 100% flawless point* Lionmaker: “Nono you see, thats irrelevant. Now let me explain why it actually is relevant in order to bypass why it is relevant.” This was interesting to listen to, but JESUS CHRIST I wanted to commit scooter-ankle.

Colossal shoulda been an interrogator. Dude is using every trick in their book and absolutely nailing it on with new questions on the fly.

Keem’s role in this is like an episode where one of the recurring villains teams up with the heroes to take on an even greater villain

He’s like a child rambling to their parents about how he totally didn’t steal anything from the store while holding the stolen item behind his back

The question: is it okay for a 26 year old to date a 14 year old? Every normal person: no, thats illegal, immoral, and disgusting. Lionhumper: this is obviously an extremely nuanced and complicated moral conundrum and also yes as long as its not my sisters

Him being unable to villify a relationship between a 16 year old and a 28 year old is one of the best examples of cognitive dissonance, he is incapable of villifying an action that he commited

This guys whole argument is “I’m a pedophile why won’t you listen to why I don’t like being held accountable” And it’s disgusting.

I could have gone my whole life without seeing that clip of oddly detailed Minecraft feet being placed on Minecraft Steve's face.

As someone with borderline personality disorder myself, hearing Lionmaker try to use his own BPD as an excuse is. Gross, to say the least

Jesus christ that interview. Everytime he sighs he starts employing another manipulation tactic because enough holes got poked in the 'logic' he tries to convey. Mad props to Colossal.

“do you have a problem with minecraft toes steve?” i never wanted to die more.

All this is bad enough, but asking people to become “CUB-scribers” is a whole different kind of cringe

colossal: *asks reasonable question* lionmaker: *smacks lips and sighs*

Him saying "I'm innocent because I'm not behind bars for it" is like someone stealing a Snickers, eating it, and putting the wrapper back and when you accuse them of stealing the Snickers they say "well I'm innocent because I'm not in jail for it"

If people 24 and over can cite age of consent laws chapter and verse: seek therapy and leave kids alone.

The fact that her profile picture was that of a cute innocent chibi panda, what most *young girls* tend to have at that age, makes me sick. She shouldn't have had to apologize for this.

You can tell things are really bad when Keemstar isn’t the worst person involved.

I remember when I was younger I was a huge fan of his videos. I remember one day my older brother telling me to never watch him again. I never understood why, and I was too scared to ask him. But as I grew up, I now understand the situation with him. And I thank my brother for that reason

You know I really didn’t need to see that Minecraft toes thing

Put Colossal on a news station and let him loose on every single politician without impunity. That man is a fantastic interviewer.

As a victim of grooming and abuse who was blamed by my parents instead of protected by them, I continue to struggle to not feel like it was my fault in some capacity. For most of my life, I actually felt like I was fully at fault and that the abuse I was subjected to (the inappropriate relationship, sexual exploitation, blackmail, suicide threats, etc) was some kind of valid consequence that I deserved. It made me feel so worthless and shameful. I also felt responsible for protecting these predators. But seeing RU-vidrs I would have looked up to at that age passionately, viciously, and unapologetically call this behavior out as abusive and disgusting and criminal truly helps me. I can’t tell you how much it helps me. It feels so validating. It feels like my inner child finally has someone standing up for her ❤️

The fact that Lionmaker flat out says in the interview that he is the ADULT in the situation, but still says he had a relationship with her...my fucking GOD.

“Slightly more fierce looking Kitty Cat” Dear God Stampy predicted the future

It's weird to see Keemstar doing actual reporter detective work, not gonna lie.

Seeing the tweet of panda apologizing made my heart hurt. I wanted to just say to her "never apologize for being manipulated and groomed, you didn't know."

Lawyers go to school for almost a decade to have the skills to determine whether or not evidence fits together well enough or not to argue guilt. Lionmaker is out here pulling a pro gamer move and arguing that the evidence fits together *too well* for him to be guilty.

His tip-toeing around Collosal's simple moral questions already says enough

the 0.2 seconds of research i was about to do on lionmaker showed me that there was was a lot more than 0.2 seconds of lore, but i didn't know there was THIS much

I love how he says “There’s so much evidence that I did what I did.” he literally admits it on accident and not even colossal noticed lmao

I love the interview part because you can very clearly tell when Colossal just gets what he wanted out of the interview and completely checks out and let’s that degenerate spin his wheels and dig himself into a deeper hole. The very patronizing and disinterested “yeah” and “mhm’s” are hilarious but Lionmaker never notices because he is so extremely focused on giving this pathetic little speech where he does his best to victimize himself. Pure comedy gold.

his whole argument was “no, LISTEN TO ME” then proceeding to talk about something completely unrelated to avoid the question, as well as blaming other people

"I'm not mentally unstable. I haVE BPD." Dude, as someone who also has bpd, that alone pretty much means you're unstable.

“I’ve always been protective of her” he says as his grossly inappropriate “relationship” (abuse) with her has also resulted in her feeling like she has something to publicly apologize for, and dealing with the fallout of a situation that even an adult would find devastating and overwhelming and life changing. Stealing her childhood. The only childhood she will ever have. She SHOULD be thinking about things like her grades, prom, going to the mall with her pals and talking about who has a crush on who, and simply enjoying the rest of her childhood. Instead she’s had an adult, his desires and issues, and the glare of public scrutiny put on her shoulders. Her apology very clearly shows she feels responsible for this, meanwhile this disgusting man who is actually responsible pretends to be a victim 🤡

i love how you introduced colossal into the story like hes the batman of youtube

This is the first time I've heard TRO outright yell "Shut the FUCK UP!" he's always so calm and collected.

“Slightly more fierce looking kitty cat” Stampy was so pure... it’s painful. He just wanted to help out his friend :(

Colossal is so fucking good at what he does. This was SCATHING. Get his ass.

"You thought i was going to take your side." Lion's silence after that says everything i think

Based off of the interview, this kid diddler would be terrible in court

I feel so bad for Paige. I hope she's doing okay now. Getting preyed on and groomed as a child is bad enough, but adding in how violent he was? I can't imagine it.

Colossal's interview skills deserve to be praised on JCS Criminology for real. The way Lion goes through the whole woe is me act just really irked me.

Lionmaker doing his Colossal impression and repeating some of the points Colossal had said earlier, trying to 'get Collosal somehow on what he thinks are technicalities, while Colossal just goes "yeah pretty good points" cracked me up.

Ugh I hate hearing Lionmaker talk. He's trying to sound so intellectual and use big words to take the high ground, and just end ups making run on sentences.

Colossal is a thorough and ruthless investigator. He may be a 1,000 year old man but he’s got a sharp mind. I just wish he’d stop vanishing like all the father figures in my life.

What a way to begin such a legendary documentary: "So, there's an indie game called Among Us."

I used to watch lion maker religiously. I found his channel in July 2014 and he was my favourite mine craft RU-vidr. When the allegations came out in September 2015 I was only 9 and didn’t really understand what he was being accused of so I carried on watching his videos. In December 2015 my mum who had become concerned about the amount of mine craft RU-vidrs being accused of pedophilla banned me from watching him but didn’t explain why other than saying “I don’t think he’s a good man” she unsubscribed me from his channel and was making sure I wasn’t viewing his videos. I remember watching the interview by colossal in November 2016 and after doing it I asked my mum what lion maker had done. She explained in a way which was appropriate for a 10 year old to hear but i got the jist. It’s horrifying to think that I used to look up to him.

everytime jaubrey and the right opinion collab, the amount of serotonin i get can not be quantified.

Damn Colossal straight up police interrogated him and Lionmaker replied with "its a conspiracy" lol

God, Paige’s apology breaks my heart. The fact that he manipulated her into thinking any of this was her fault is beyond awful

im honestly impressed that colossal had that much patience, i would have lost my temper at him

imagine using bpd as an excuse to groom children...

It’s disgusting to see him claim that he was protecting Paige when he posted her nudes on Twitter

45:04 TRO’s comment here is spot on- I don’t think I’ve ever watched a more frustrating exchange. Or listened to so many, many, many words strung together in a more meaningless manner. And the “people are making accusations but no one is accusing me” is one of the most bizarre, illogical, and ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard.

I feel bad for Stampylongnose, 2 of his friends turns out to be Child Predictors. The other one is Leo

His persona is a lion so him being a predator fits pretty well I guess

I think you missed that Suzie was the one that had picked up the conversion by the time he asked her for nudes. It says in the article, that when Lion had told her daughter to not tell anyone about the conversion, the daughter told her mother (Suzie) based off what she was taught, and Suzie had started talking to him through her daughters account and Lion didn't believe that he was talking to her mother. Just feel you mischaracterized her quite a bit, when based of the article cited (6:46) , she had actually taught her daughter quite well about online safety, enough to where her daughter was aware of a bad situation and went to an adult immediately. I feel she handled teaching her daughter quite well, teens should be able to have privacy and parents should be able to trust that they have taught their kids enough for them to make good judgments on their own accord. Also, as for her speaking, English probably ain't her first language. I could be wrong but doesn't the family live in Sweden???

Hmmm... sex scandals involving minors, blatantly lies during interviews, and avoids answering questions by talking bollocks, giving non-answers, talking in circles, and changing the goal posts when he can't refute a point. Are we sure this guy isn't a politician?

Oh dear lord. Colossal’s “mh-hm” at 23:42 was amazing. He clearly didn’t believe him at all

Is no one going to talk about how amazing of a cop Colossal would make with that minefield he laid on the interrogation

The way Lionmaker tried to argue in the interview makes me irrationally angry

Jesus christ, Colossal feels so scary, props to that guy for using his scariness for good.

Poor Stampy, it feels like people kept using him as a way to gain popularity with child audiences... He's the most wholesome minecraft youtuber I ever watched and to see predators take advantage of his wholesome nature is downright deplorable. The fact they not only groomed kids but tricked an innocent man just trying to make wholesome content makes this a billion times worse.

UK here. I HATE that he used the 16 year consent law to justify his actions. Yes the age of consent is 16. No one 18+ dates 16 year olds. It's creepy and comes off as grooming. That lower consent law is more for the 16-18 range as they transition into "adult life" being allowed to leave school, get full-time work, and sign legal papers. NOT for creeps to groom children. Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean you aren't perverted.

that toe video took 10 years off my lifespan wtf

Interviewer: "Did you do this?" Lionmaker: "I'm not guilty, trust me bro [Part 1/284]"

Lionmaker’s whole defense: Okay, I’m bad, but let’s talk about you.

paige's tweet saying that she was sorry breaks my fuckin heart

Massive W to Colossal. Went in with some major question lines, and called this creep out for what he is.

Colossal is Crazy is one of the most brutal RU-vidrs out there and without him, Lionmaker might still be doing his thing.

dude i had a classmate years back say "oh yeah my older sister (who would've been 13-14 at the time) is lionmaker's girlfriend." and I was like "yeah sure she is" but now looking back on it she may well have been one of his victims and i just walked straight by an entire controversy.

The Minecraft toes video was the worst thing to happen to humanity

Paige is so strong coming out with this and i know this video is from last year but i wanted to comment. She was so strong for this and much more concise then whatever Lion was trying to say. She knew her events quite well and she memorized all the times it’s honestly impressive and upsetting that it effected her so much in her life that all the dates are planted in her head.

Why would his false alibi be that he was in jail? That's a horrible alibi to make up. That's like saying, "I didn't murder your sister, I was too busy beating my wife."

Man i feel weird listening to keemstar and going "shit he's making a lot of sense"

"age is just a number" Prison is just a place.

The brilliance of the interview is how he did exactly what Keemstar did but it wasn't defamation because it was all questions being directed at a man who in spite of himself couldn't help but prove his own guilt. Marvelous

It's creepy to see him use the tactics you knew he used to manipulate children thinking it will work on a grown man

i sincerely hope this dude goes to sleep every night seeing colossal's clown avatar viciously and relentlessly questioning him into confession, followed by a trip down to his own personal hell. that would be fun

The "minecraft toes" bit made me want to drive my car into oncoming traffic

I think one quote from Lionmaker seals his fate: 1:06:02 "because there is so much evidence I did what I did"

As a survivor of CSA, these videos are always so hard to swallow. But theyre important and need to be seen