The detail that RUINS Wings of Fire 

However, SeaWings may not need that jawline for catching fish with their other natural advantages in the water, and they might have it to be able to fight other dragons/ survive on land. Also, they might have it to hold on to larger creatures like whales etc, or land animals when on land. Alternately, it may just be vestigial, and something that simply didn’t change as SeaWings migrated to the water, as they survived just fine without it. I think it’s probably this way for holding onto dragon necks.

Actually did a biology presentation on different biological features of dragons and real animals. Longest presentation ever with almost 50 slides and took a half hour to present. Got a good 100%

Congratulations JMA, you're officially the only person who has managed to act like a bigger nerd than me😂

As a fantasy writer myself I thank you for bringing this detail to my attention. Such a harrowing crime against humanity cannot be overlooked.

0:10 my gosh the super fast pacing of the monologue and the zoom-out edits match up *perfectly*

okok but hear me out, (spoilers for arc3 ahead) i think the reasons why leafwings & silkwings have those pointed snouts are because they do need to use them. according to half of arc 3 and the prolouge of chapter 11, they lived in vast forests which are crowded as HECK with all the vines, roots, carnivorous plants (you heard me, Swordtail), so obviously the animals have evolved to get around these with compound (and frankly, complex) eyes, lightning quick reactions and small, slim bodies, like fish! (minus the eyeball part). So the dragons, in turn, have to evolve as well. And any evolution could happen in 2000 years, amirite nightwings. So their nimble snouts were most likely used for snatching prey out of almost any pocket they could hide in the jungle. And although the Tree Wars happened and the breath of evil sucks, 50 years isn't enough time for a whole species to change based on new society; nonetheless two species. So there you have it, my argument for why Pantala is justified with their dragon anatomy. (JMA, you do have a point though. i knew tsunami's design was weird and had to double check the in-book guide. like, why she built like that? what happened to the horns and why is it so s l i m ? like that straight up looks like rainwing slim...ness. slim-ness, sure) Great video too, love to see more content coming! probably should add too if im going to write an entire essay on youtube.

Good point. Although on the other claw, Orcas do pretty well as ocean predators with a rounded muzzle.

Since dragons have a combat based civilization the snout shape could be designed for combative purposes not hunting.

JMA I’ve had a theory/headcanon for a while that might just solve this anatomical crime. So my theory is that a long time ago (likely pre-scorching) some force drove NightWing ancestors out of their territory and into the sea. Then, after thousands of years, they evolved to better suit their underwater lifestyle, but they still kept some semblance of their original appearance. For example, they both have stocky builds, plantigrade feet, and the aforementioned short snouts. Even the SeaWing spines look like webbed NightWing ones, and they have similar scale patterns on their necks. TLDR: SeaWings and NightWings are evolved from the same species, and that is why they have short snouts Also I love your content JMA :)

True although to be fair, they seem to be going the “orca” route rather than the “crocodilian” route. Chunky snouts instead of long skinny ones XD

do remember that tsunami was raised on cows and pigs and goats and such, not necessarily fish, so her snout structure could be different compared to other seawings due to the prey she was raise on and her method of hunting, which likely WOULD be more like a lions. but more likely so that it was just a design error.

Never knew that but definitely a valid point. The only thing I'm curious about is are fish enlarged in Phyrria (sorry if I spelled that wrong) and Pantala like fruit is? Because in book 2 Riptide runs into a whale and with the wording it sounds like the whale might be around the size of the dragon which means its size wouldn't have changed much. If dragons are so large they wouldnt need as large mouths if they mainly ate smaller fish, but if they ate sharks and larger aquatic animals it would make sense for them to have longer faces.

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actually, a lot of aquatic predators do (did) have robust jaws. discounting the shellfish specialists, many large sharks and nearly all of the aquatic carnivora have very powerful bites. orca are a major exception here, being just about the only macropredator that doesnt have robust jaws, which is likely due to its ancestors being fish specialists having only recently transitioned to marine mammals, similar to humans only recently transitioning from the trees to the ground. of course, other modern cetaceans lack robust jaws as well, and all are specialised to much smaller, often piscine or mollusc prey, meaning orca are your best modern base for a large hunting mammal. take a few steps back in time, however, and you will see that damn near all of the cetacean predators had robust jaws. from the extrmely primitive dorudon and basilosaurus to the more modern acrophyseter and livyatan or the much stranger coronodon, which was technically a balleen whale

There are a lot of factors in this to think about. Their main adversaries are dragons, which might contribute more so to their structure than their diet considering the fact that dragons are highly intelligent, which means that they can make things like fish traps: baskets, nets, even fishing rods, and they probably do

I've also heard that the wing anatomy for the dragons in WoF is off. Apparently, in order to properly function, the wings should attach to the spinal column... not the shoulder. I'm no anatomy expert, so I'm not sure how much truth there is to this, the wing placement looks kind of wonky to me either way 😅

I mean they have really strong powerful tails that- similar to how thresher sharks stun their prey- could take advantage on how sea creatures are susceptible to getting stunned and use said tails to whack the living daylights out of their prey. Then they wouldn't need the longer jaw structure. Props on the Spinosaurus stock video btw

what about animals like sharks, whales, dolphins, and porpoises? they eat animals like fish and have pretty bulky jaws. i think seawings have bulky jaws so they can tear into larger prey. while they eat fish, it's also been mentioned that they eat animals like whales and snails... i don't imagine super sleek jaws being very effective for eating those types of foods. seawings with longer jaws would still look kind of cool, though. have to admit lol

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Wings of fire is a great fictional series that teaches kids serious topics that need to be addressed as well as a great read for adults and anyone. It is a greatly written and detailed story that uses its characters, world building, themes, etc. to create an amazing series that will be remembered by readers. 6/10 not enough wings were on fire.

honestly this is so true, as I always felt like something was off with the Seawings when I started reading WoF.

Buuuut such snouts won’t be able to easily eat sharks. Which Seawings love to eat Plus every dragon race has similar ancestry that goes like 5000 years back. This isn’t long enough for such snouts to form And again weren’t there marine dinosaurs with similar snouts?

I love how you add humor into your videos. It really makes it a lot more interesting and not just some boring things that you noticed while reading the series. :)

JMA: 'complains' about a little detail that no one talks about in the WoF fandom. Meanwhile Warriors fans, complaining about every new official cover art for the books (excluding James L. Barry):

What?!?! How did I not notice this before? Thank you JMA for opening my eyes to this fishy detail.

Huh, never thought of that. The detail that got me in book 2 was the mention of Whirlpool wearing rings, since SeaWings have webbed talons. So that got me thinking, do SeaWings have clip on rings that they can insert around their claws by piercing a slit in each side of the webbing?

You’re right, it is so very very frustrating that they just couldn’t get the face right. Of course all we can do is keep on reading and hope they realize it eventually.

Oh god now you're going to tell us that Seawings should be filter feeders

OH MY DEAR LORD! YOURE RIGHT

This made me laugh so hard for no particular reason at all, congrats JMA for making me watch this 10 times

Grab the pitchforks and torches! We’re storming Wings Of Fire Corp. for ruining everything!

I know this isn’t being serious, but… 1. Dunkleosteus ate sharks with a much blunter snout than that. 2. These dragons could not have evolved from reptiles. Reptiles are Tetrapods. Dragons in wings of fire have 6 limbs. You can’t just evolve an extra functioning arm as a vertebrate tetrapod. It would need a good place or way to attach, and there are only two forms available: the pelvic girdle and the pectoral girdle. Both require being at the end of a rib cage, not in the middle. They would have to alter the arm joints in a way that would make using the arm very difficult for many many MANY generations. To make a hexapod dragon, you would need to go back to the many-segmented creature vertebrates evolved from, and select for an extra set of limbs, then re-evolve it from there through reptiles, to dragons. This is why every flying vertebrate has wings made of the arms. But fortunately there’s magic in this world, so many impossible or nearly impossible things can happen.

I hear you man how could they mess up on this one detail oh well, but well done pointing that out 👍

Wasn't that the shape of the jaw looked like in the Nightwing guide to dragons? Also seawings are not fully aquatic, they can live on land. Due to that they need a specialized jaw to eat a variety of prey, should they ever be on land for a stretch of time. It also could be the case that an Animus made their snouts different, possibly to fit in, or to eat a variety of food.

Think about it: Tsunami grew up in the caves. She would have eaten stuff other than fish and therefore would have developed a different snout.

Tsunami looking like a Spinosaurus would actually make her more intimidating tbh Tsunami Spinosaurus art *NOW*

I find it anoying how the other dods didn’t notice sunny was part nightwing. Let me explain. So they were living with her for 6 years, they had another sand wing and a nightwing to compare her to and they didn’t realise the Star scales going down her sides!? They also didn’t notice the shape of her snout, the scales on her snout (or scales in general), colour of her eyes, nightwing spines on her tail or the black tip of her tail. To add to anoying things in WOF starfloght is completely missing the star scales on his side! SUNNY IS MORE NIGHTWING THAN STARFLIGHT!

At first I was like what!? When I heard you say SeaWing snouts, but no you actually bring up a good point! Ive never thought about that before, but it does make sense! Now I got to draw a SeaWing with a long snout and call him Gar.

god I can feel the primal rage emanating just from the last scream LOL

Total agree with you, but tsumani didn't grow up eating raw fish, i think she grew up in eating the other tribies of food.

Yes!

This is making me laugh so hard, this little mini rant was glorious! And yeah, that is actually really bizzarre of a detail for Tui to miss... Though I actually looked at the wiki, and I think the cover artist just took some liberties xD. From Wiki "They have curved horns, a slender, curved snout, and two barbels on the underside of their jaw" Slender, curved snout. WHO MESSED UP THE COVER ART?! (jk Phil Falco, the cover art is glorious, and Book 2s, and 9s are among my favs for the water.)

He’s spent 2 months just thinking about this

based on the thumbnail, i really thought that this video would be about the seawing blood color inconsistency. if Tsunami had blue blood, the inside of her mouth would not be red!

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bruh

Seawings eat Coconuts and Pineapples. They probably use that strong snout to bust open the rock-hard coconut shell and tear off the outer-parts of a pineapple.

The small nerdy detail that got on my nerves was how after thousands of years of isolation of the "Dragon" language, after it was bought to Pyrrhia, it didn't change. The Pyrrhian and Pantalan languages would've evolved in that time and become mutually unintelligible.

Early twice in one day!

Honestly the sea wings have always bothered me. The fact they have wings at all is a little ridiculous, in fiction we'd typically see water based dragons as wingless or surpents having attention around long fins etc

Okay I love that intro 😂❤️

So close to 20k JMA I bet this video gets u there

How dare Tui T. Sutherland make an anatomically incorrect tribe

JMA getting heated over a snout shape is genuinely hilarious, made my day

Id like to think that the reason they have those kinda snouts is because they are simply faster than most of the things they hunt, and plus, they can always use spears. There is no use in a long snout to catch fish if you can just hurdle a spear at them.

My theory is that all tribes evolved from a single tribe, which is why they have some fetures that don't make sense just like the tailbone in our skeleton. it's also possible there's been a lot of cross breeding between the tribes, which gave them the similar characteristics.

what about the graphic novel what do u possibly have against comic tsunami

JMA screeching is similar to me screeching and almost internally exploding every time I see HMS Hood blowing up😂😂

You say this, but other large aquatic predators such as killer whales and large shark species have wide, blunt, powerful jaws for grabbing and biting large prey like marine mammals. A jaw structure like this would be fine for killing seals and kraken.

I have one word for this: Seals. They are aquatic predators that mainly eat fish yet have the same looking jaws as a lion. Case closed. There is no error. Muahahaha!

Also a sad fact of the Darkness of dragon cover Qibli is missing his SNOUT SCAR!?!?

Oh, Hah! I thought you were going to talk about that scene where Riptide was trying to grab Tsunami after he thought she said she liked him. pages 32-34 of "The Lost Heir". I might be wrong about what I think... Please correct me as to what was really going on if I am.

the human embodyment of starflight

JMA, I want to tell you something, Its not a big deal Tbh plenty of dragons who live in water have short snouts, and aquatic creatures in real life have small snouts and primarily eat fish like axolotls

to be fair, i think it would benefit seawings when they're hunting whales, dolphins, and giant squids.

I don’t know how to explain the Pantalla dragon snouts, but Maby sea wings have their noses like that for fighting or hunting on land which they sometimes do. Especially Tsunami

I have another detail from book 2 characters with webbed talons can wear rings!?

sea wings dont only eat raw fish, and its a small detail. and Ms. Sutherland, i am pritty sure, didnt creat the covers for the books.

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HE DIDNT EVEN MENTION THE SCRAGGLY BITS! LIKE THE LITTLE THINGYS COMING FROM THEIR CHINS! WHYYYY! Edit: Me checking if anyone liked or replied to my comment Thinks that nothing happened Me seeing that jma did the lil thingy that shows his icon with the heart at the bottom Freaks out Aaaaahhhhhh

I will never look at this book the some way again. Also, in Talons Of Power, did you realize that Anemone is missing her the markings on her wings that all royal SeaWings have?

Jma: not enough details more details Book righter:shows realistic picture of dragon looking like a crocodile hybrid Jma: yes perfect put it on a poster and book cover excellent.

Dawg, it's a cover of a book. When your actually reading you're GENUINELY never going to think back on it

1:09 it looks fantastic on dinosaurs ( like spinosaurus) so I’m sure it wouldn’t look bad on a dragon that is meant to be underwater catching fish 😭

At first I thought this would be a really insightful serious video discussing an issue with wof but this is so much better-

I’m late to the party again 😭. But that seen where you slowly zoom out with the books and your RU-vid channel is golden.

I’m glad someone brought this up, because when I saw the seawing design as I was reading the series, this really threw me off as well.

The thing is, it’s not actually Tui which did the cover art. Joy Ang did the art

Well, to be fair....... Tui didn't draw the dragons, it was Joy Ang.

Tsunami Spinosaurus Art Now Tsunami Spinosaurus Art Now Tsunami Spinosaurus Art Now

Her jaw probably adopted to her diet from the time in the mountain in book 1

on the back of the cover on wings of fire book 2 there is a dumbo octopus wich are found at between 9800 to 13000 ft deep in the ocean and sunlight can only reach a maximum of 3280 ft deep in the ocean meaning A. tsunami is insanely deep in the ocean B. the dumbo octopus is at the wrong depth and about to die ( or the author made a mistake about not knowing enough about the animal.) C. all of the light that is clearly coming from the surface is all coming from tsunami and the other seawings scales. ( this mistake being on the regular book cover obviously and not the graphic novel cover) . So that is another mistake that makes me mad.

Okay then. Interesting

Y'know considering the lack of 'memes' showing up in YT Shorts, I actually thought Wings of Fire get 'Cancelled Cultured'. Good to see this still living! No. I don't care if Dragons aren't biologically realistic. They're meant to be fantastical. That's the whole point of them!

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it could've been how they evolved, similarly to how whales went back into the sea after being on land for a while. seawings probably only recently evolved back to be in the sea, around when the scorching happened (which was only about 5,000+ years ago, not very long to let things diverge too incredibly). so they could probably evolve those snouts later on. think of it this way also: dinosaurs like spinosaurus didn't use their hands to grab things like fish, they used primarily their snouts. phyrrian dragons have full control of their talons, able to use them the way we use our hands. they could easily catch fish with their hands, and they even use tools like harpoons and spears; thinking about that now, they could've previously had those snouts, but they gradually got shorter and broader as time went by because they found more efficient ways to catch their food WOW this looks like a mouthful to read and i am SO SORRY about that, but things like this are very interesting to me. good brain exercise ngl

To be fair you could argue that becuase seawings have weapons they don't really need elongated snouts plus they are huge compared to fish therefore and a lot faster therefore do not need as much range im their jaws

I've also noticed another thing that this cover has that should be a bit different! If the dragon on the cover is really Tsunami, then where are the spirals on her wings? Turtle has them on his cover, but Tsunami does not!

Oh no now that I’ve noticed this ……oh god it hurts I’m a sucker for continuity *causally breaking down* (oh btw great video JMA😅)

If its aquatic it defiantly needs a aquatic snout. I totally agree JMA and thank you for bringing that detail to me. :)

but jma... its a fictional kids series it doesnt need to be accurate... k, but JMA... that face would look weeird on dragons... I actually didn't realize this before- Thank you for opening my eyes, JMA...

Tbh the covers have been a little inconsistent with the book's descriptions sometimes. Just look at the cover of Darkness Of Dragons: Qibli has a traditional slim dragon snout instead of the usual blunt Sandwing one, his earring is in the wrong ear, and he doesn't even have his signature scar!

Time for a fun fact. If humans wanted to be able to breath underwater, they would need lines of gills running 14 feet in length to have enough oxygen for their brain to function. Dragons are almost identical in terms of minds, so sea wings just can’t be able to breath underwater with gills at their necks. Presented by National Geographic.

Wow why didn't I think of this. Personally, elongated snouts would look really cool on Seawings. Like imagine what looks to be 2 prehistoric sea creatures rapidly swimming towards you, communicating with flashes of life, and then being able to reach you from farther away o.0 (RIP fish)

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As a person who writes fantasy- yikes- but it also might be more thought out, all the sea-wings on covers so far are royalty- and- if you know you know.

I didn't even notice this the first time, thank you Jma for bringing attention to detail on this.

heyo! Loved this video, And… ITS FANFICTION TIME! --------------- A soldier flew over Scorch and Minx, and landed beside them “Sir, I have bad news.” said the General. Minx replied with “What is it, Sir?” “Your father has disappeared… we presume him dead.” Scorch replied in distress “WHAT? You have to find him!” He paced back and forth. “The search party is trying, but no signs yet.” said the General. Minx commanded “Scorch, refill your bag with supplies, we’re going to find him.” “But how? I can’t even fly!” Minx replied with “Don’t worry about that.” ------------------ Chapter 7, the Search.

Also, in arc one, when the scavengers stole the eye of onyx, they HELD it and DIDNT obliterate. Hmmmm…… can a scavenger…….. be a sandwich queen…..?

Not going to lie Jma kinda right