I'd take Woolen. Sauce has slightly better technique but that's taught. You can't teach him to be faster, or to have more length and reach or as high of vertical... But you can teach more technique to Woolen. That baiting QBs to throw the ball by hanging back and then turning on the burners to catch up and get the interception will bait many into that throw. Seeing it on tape is one thing but in a game the QBs will continue to think naw he can't close that gap... then bam.. pick. Woolen hasn't been playing the position as long and is already very good... under Pete Carrol he will be amazing. Plus Sauce is getting away with a lot of penalties.. He is great. Woolen has way more picks... and they're earned picks not lucky deflections.
Sauce likes to put his hands on the receiver to let him know he’s there but most are not PIs because he doesn’t tug. He’s been consistently doing that all year and refs know it’s not PI.
@@JAy275W You guys forget, sauce and his coach has mentioned part of Sauce development will be learning to get interceptions and less deflections per him leading all corners in deflections. Depending on who the receiver is and qb, eventually Woolen will not be able to "catch up". That's terrible coverage philosophy...and one of his ints was a gimme pass to Tom Brady playing wr. If not for a penalty, he would have had 4 td's against him via Hopkins. The 1 td against sauce, was due to a safety coverage miscue. I've been watching this back and forth for a while and Sauce truly is better overall while facing more top tier wr's than Woolen. it is what it is. 6"4, 4.23 spd tho is scary
@@GC-ye9qf well I would just go back up and read the initial comment, there is so much more things that woolen does better that cannot be taught. Woolen has a far higher potential than sauce does and don’t get me wrong they’re both very very good, but like come on just look at Woolen he is a freak and has way way better hands than sauce does because he was a wide receiver Wallen is going to go just a little bit farther but they both will go very far and be the best corners in the game.
@@GC-ye9qf In my opinion, the Brady pick was Woolens best play of the year. He absolutely baited the Bucs into that one by changing how he defended identical looks in the same series.
Woolen has 6 interceptions on 1/3 Less targeted. Woolen has not been thrown at much the past month seems like. I wanted sauce before the year started but it's Tariq that won me over
From these clips, Sauce seems more handsy than Woolen. I can see choosing Sauce now, although I wouldn't. Sauce came out of a top-tier college a fully formed college CB, a consensus top 5-10 pick. Woolen was pick 153, in the fifth round. The fact that Woolen is now (after his limited experience as a CB at a lower tier college) being legitimately compared to Sauce in the NFL says all you need to know about his ability to learn and grow. Woolen's ceiling is even higher than Sauce's--more of a freak, and as dedicated as Sauce to his craft. So now, sure, it's close. But longer term, I'd take Woolen. He can be everything Sherman was, and more.
@@mosehlewi3081 clearly a sauce fan… no need to be so emotional and subjective, just actually read the points the original comment is making and he makes sense.
@@SuperMan-pv9fi im not subjective buddy...i watch everyone of both cornerbacks snaps on film...you guys are the ones who are subjective basing your opinion on media coverage, commentating, highlights, and just the regular broadcast...talk to me when you've watched the film buddy
@mosehlewi3081 woolen is literally tied at top spot in the league with 6 INT, and has only 2 fewer PD than sauce, but sure... he's no.wjere near being a top CB... 🤡
@mosehlewi3081 And what makes you think that you are the only film-watcher in existence? What pompous nonsense. Declarations like yours are useless wastes of bandwidth. Come to the party with facts, or don't come at all.
@@stevejamieson8468 it seems like they just let certain corners get away with whatever they want this year. While others get called for breathing on the receiver
your ignorance is showing but most people in the comments are casuals anyway 😂 I guess all the nfl analysts who say he isn’t holding are wrong and all the refs in each game the last 15 weeks must be blind
Listening to Tyler Lockett on the Sherman podcast, he talked about how playing against the LOB in practice every week is what helped develop him. Lose in practice, win on Sunday. Sauce is incredible, but plays against who during practice? Woolen is playing against DK, Lockett, and Geno. Every week. That’s gotta give a guy some insane practice.
Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore… Garrett put up 1000 yard season with a combination of Joe Flacco, Zach Wilson and Mike White… dude is going to be a top WR in this league
@@Patrickhand20 dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you got to be slow Lockett is the most underrated receiver in the league 1,000 receiver yards every year since 2019!!!!
Just finished the video, I can't believe you picked Gardner over Woolen. It is not even close. Gardner plays with his back to the ball, clutches and grabs, he will start getting called for PI and holding more.
Sauce has less catches, yards and TDs clearly sauce is better. INTs aren’t everything buddy just look at the stats. The only thing woolen has on sauce is INTs
@@DogWalk_videos Riq has a touchdown, blocked fg, and those picks that “don’t matter” are the primary stat to a CB just like sacks are to a DE and is a TURNOVER! A big deal in football because it can shift the momentum to your team. Plus those INTs came off of less targets than sauce. Sauce holds and gets away with it alot from what I’ve seen. Probably because of the name and marketing behind him. Bro got a deal with Bdubs without playing much football.
@@DogWalk_videos The difference between Sauce and Woolen, where Sauce has the advantage is marginal. Both players are doing great, but where Tariq excels, it’s not even close. The INT’s, the ability to close gaps and make big plays at almost any time, most of those things can’t be taught. All of those holds and arguable PI’s Gardner isn’t getting called for are because he doesn’t have the closing speed. It’s because he risks being burnt if he isn’t more physical and handsy. I’ll take the guy who can cover based on his willingness to learn and raw physical ability over the guy who is a PI call waiting to happen on nearly every play. Edit: also, the Jets have a better overall defense around Sauce, by a long shot. If Seattle was getting similar pressures run stopping as the Jets, that would only make Woolen’s job easier.
@@ilikeme1234 amen to your edit Im a Seahawks fan and we don’t get pressure on the qb at all it’s so bad. That only means more time for qb’s and better throws but he’s found a way so far. It was a good point about each other’s strengths and how one shows more then the other. I think both are stud CB’s and I’d love to see woolen get it but he won’t haha
@@DogWalk_videos sauce was a 4th ovr pick played corner his whole life begged for votes and is cocky rik was s 5th rd pick turned corner about 2 years ago and doesnt cry like sauce 😂
Gardner ranks 1st and Woolen ranks 18th out of all cornerbacks. 1. Chance Gardner 2. Patrick Surtain 3. Jalen Ramsey 4. Charvarius Ward 5. Tyson Campbell 6. Patrick Peterson 7. Jamel Dean 8. Stephon Gilmore 9. Marlon Humphrey 10. Jaire Alexander 11. L'Jarius Sneed 12. Desmond King 13. Darius Slay 14. D.J. Reed 15. James Bradberry 16. Jacee Horn 17. Mike Hilton 18. Tariq Woolen 19. Rasul Douglas 20. Kendall Fuller It is understandable if one removes slot corners Sneed, Hilton, and King II, which would place Woolen at 15. Gardner/Woolen Yards Allowed: 285/460 TDs Permitted: 1/5 Percentage of Allowed Catches: 44.3/56.4 Passer Rating Against: 50.2/74.6 Snaps/Reception: 20.4/17.2 Tackles: 53/46 Missed Tackles: 4/11 Ints: 2/6 Woolen does rank among the top ten in pure coverage. 1. Sauce Gardner 2. Patrick Surtain 3. Patrick Peterson 4. Stephon Gilmore 5. Tyson Campbell 6. James Bradberry 7. Jaire Alexander 8. D.J. Reed 9. Darius Slay 10. Tariq Woolen
Haha. Refreshing to hear someone who actually knows something about something and is not biased to their guy (Im assuming Sauce is not your guy). I can agree with your list.
Woolens only been playing corner for 2 and a half years and he’s already insanely good. He’s only gonna get better and better and could possibly be one of the best corners ever by the time he retires
it's exactly how you should play corner, while I think the pi could have gone either way It's still an excellent play considering it wasnt called, obviously hes doing something right if he hasnt been called for pi as much as some people say.
@@eliekydd1263 i mean by that logic, punching someone is a great play as long as it's not called. sauce has been getting away with SO many PI calls, he had two in a row that were ignored by the refs against seattle, the one against the bengals was a missed call, like there are straight highlights of missed PI on sauce, and we aren't even though his first year.
I also am not a fan of either teams, but my superior football knowledge says there is no comparison...Sauce is the best cornerback right now even as a rookie. Let that sink in. Woolen is maybe top 30
@mosehlewi3081 more accurately "i fucking hate the seahawks and won't give them credit for fucking anything, despite the FACT that their rookie CB is co-leading the NFL with 6 int and is behind sauce by only 2 passes defensed. All this while being targed ⅓ fewer times than sauce, and also who hasnt been guilty of homding onto and riding recievers down field literally every snap like sauce does. I'm also so shoved up my own ass that I call my clearly biased opinion "superior football knowledge". Yea... that about sums it up. 👍🤡
Agreed, he’s playing like this with WAY less experience at CB than sauce. Sauce will probably get better than he is now but probably won’t by a ton. Woolen on the other hand has tons more to learn and experience as a CB and even without that experience and knowledge he is playing just as good if not better than sauce. Woolen will grow exponentially while sauce will grow linearly
@@ryleebarker9339only because he is playing with no technique and just speed rn, but when they both evolve sauce will be better because he will learn not to hold
@Alberto Welch jr every Sauce highlight he's holding. Sauce is great don't get me wrong but Woolen is legit and he's been playing that position less than Sauce has. You're seriously barking at every single person who doesn't think Sauce is all that and a bag of chips. Plus Woolen is humble, Sauce is a cry baby diva who acts like his shit don't stink
No he doesent, Sauce allows a negative -25 EPA meaning offenses when they throw his way score negative 25 points then they are supposed to, compared to woolen -1.8 Sauce is KEY to the Jets Defemnse.
Woolen is literally a pick machine... Dude's speed, ability to bait and close gap. Can't imagine any team would pass woolen up and pick sauce from what we know now. Sauce got that top draft pick bubble protecting him from the refs. Wait till that shit dies off in a year or two...
Opposing receivers: woolen: Courtland Sutton Deebo Samuel Drake London Chris Olave Deandre Hopkins Mike Williams Wandale Robinson Mike Evans-Chris Godwin Davante adams Van Jefferson Dj Moore Brandon ayuik. Sauce Gardner: Rashod Bateman Amari cooper Teehiggins Diontae Johnson Tyreek hill Allen Lazard Courtland Sutton Devante Parker Gave Davis- stefon Diggs Jakobi meyers E st. Brown Justin Jefferson Stefon Diggs and gabe Davis. Tariq woolen shadow rate( how often he follows number 1 receivers) 49 percent) Sauce Gardners shadow rate( 39 percent) Decide for yourself!!🎉😮 Edit: in terms of here and now Sauce is better in my opinion. However, Woolens rapid acquiescence of the position and its complicated fundamentals suggests he and Sauce will be competing for the “best corner” title throughout their career! Exciting! Also: prayers out to Hamlin🙏.
I'll take woolen all day every day. Only ⅔ the targets, and co-leading the NFL with 6 picks, and behind sauce by only 2 PD. INT always have been, and always will be more impactful than a swatted pass. Dude also doesn't have to grab hold and ride his targets down field every snap either. It's a wonder sauce hasn't been getting flagged damn near every play for holding and PI.
@@albertowelchjr3969 lmfao, woolennIS a lockdowm guy. Mahimes only tested home twice, and one of those was just shy of being riq's 7th pick. Riq ain't getting burned, dudes baiting QBs. Gtfo
@@albertowelchjr3969 that the whole convo bro. Tariq is not only lockdown hardly allowing anything at all but he’s freak with insane speed and ball skills. Puts him on a different level than sauce
wow, I thought from a lot of the way people (youtubers, commenters on YT as well as actual NFL analysts and other talking heads) that Sauce was shadowing #1s more often than Tariq. Can't wait to see DK torch Sauce once or twice this weekend =P
Woolen was also mentored by Richard Sherman. Got a bit of a head start and has the stats, technique, skill, mindset, and potential to go farther. Woolen all day everyday. Gardner is missing technique, hasn’t adapted to the rules, needs to learn how to play the ball better, and needs to be faster on his feet.
Woolen tied the season total of picks, and was targeted way less. Sauce defended the most passes, but that just means QB's tried him more. Woolen made QB's pay a worse price if they tried him, which is also why he was so thoroughly compared to Sherman. When he was in his prime, people just didn't throw to his side of the field. Anyway fans will just pick their player, but I think Woolens performance was much more impressive. Best wishes to Sauce though, he's gonna have a career
I think after 16 weeks in the nfl if he truly held he would be called for more than just 3 DPIs maybe cuz youve heard people say he holds u look for it when u watch the film. Kinda like brainwashing, just being fair.
Yea, Sauce is always thriving to be the best and he did it in college by going 4th overall. thats what it means, dont overthink it these are pro athletes they dont care abt what poeple like u think.
Gotta pick woolen, as much as i liked Sauce pre draft…. He holds so often i’m shocked he doesn’t get called for it. I don’t see this happening again with how much media covered it. That being said they’re both insane rookies
Sauce doesn't turn his head that will become a penalty every time in the future. He also has a number one corner across from him making his life easier as he has a mentorship opportunity. Not to mention every one prefers interceptions to deflections as they are momentum shifters in a way deflections aren't. That being said he is doing extremely well for a rookie. Bit I feel the edge has to go to woolen as he turns his head and can utterly swing momentum of games in his team's favor without a vet offering tips on how to do better.
@@TopTierHater on the day you said that Woolen gets targeted more than Sauce, Woolen was at 48 targets and Sauce was at 68. TF are you smoking. You think you can just lie and nobody will look up the stats?
Woolen all the way. Once they start watching Sauce. They are gonna throw flags on all those plays you just showed. He is physical, but to early. Like how were those not PI's?????
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It looks like he’s getting beat so he just throws his body and arms into the play with out even turning his head and making a play on the ball in a lot of the clips.
@@carneyfn It has more to do with value. Woolen comes with a cheaper contract and was a lower draft pick, so less was needed to acquire him. Sauce gets the 5th year option. Both look like Elite Defenders.
They are both class, but i'm taking Woolen every time. Mainly because, things Woolen needs to improve on are easier to accomplish than what Sauce lacks. Having said that, both are studs! Sauce will win the award simply because of the team he plays for though.
Do you mean the same Jets that the Seahawks beat the crap out of, even though the Seahawks are so banged-up had even more key players injured in that game? 🤣🤣🤣
I'd go Tariq purely because very similar stats but has had more big plays and was a 5th rounder. I know quite small minded but they're both great players and sometimes it's who makes more of an impact
Sauce gets the recognition simply because he was early pick big $ and woolen was a afterthought5th rounder so they will want sauce to be the bigger star for that reason alone. I don't think it should matter regardless where ur drafted if you prove urself and start in the league then gameplay production all that should matter
as a seahawks fan i’m very grateful that we got woolen. ATM i do think sauce is a more complete player, but in 3 years after woolen develops I think 99% of people are going to take Woolen
What’s crazy is Sauce is definitely the more complete and refined player, but Woolen is outperforming him in key ways and keeping up well in all others. He’s also a CB teams are afraid to throw at in a way they aren’t with Sauce.
I believe you are wrong, creating turnovers is so huge in a game of inches. Tariq is already a generational talent, and he still has a lot to learn. Tariq's ceiling is much higher.
Tariq has: Bigger size More speed More picks Better technique Pete Carroll(the DB god) coaching him I think Tariq is better now, and i think Tariq will be better in the future
We are talking about who is the better player. Not when they were drafted no one is doubting that Tariq is a better steal where he was drafted than sauce
Did I travel back in time when Sherman and Revis were both insanely talented and to make it more crazy is that they both played for the exact same team as woolen and sauce. In year two I wouldn’t be surprised if woolen has matches Sherman’s record🧟♂️
sauce also commits pass interferences like every play and is never called lol. the highlight right after he says he would chose sauce, is sauce running into a defender before the ball gets there
Sauce should be more complete. He has been playing cornerback his whole career. Woolen was a Receiver that only switched to Corner during his Jr. Year of college. But despite the lack of experience at the position. He is a better athlete. Who is faster and bigger than Gardner. Which means his celling is higher, if he can continue to develop as a corner. Gardner is great and Any team should be thrilled to have either one of them. But Gardner is already pretty polished. Meaning he has less room to grow and get better. While Woolen (the better all around athlete) is just getting started. But they are both phenomenal... Just my "two cents".
As a Seahawks fan, it doesn’t matter to me who wins the award. Tariq is a 5th round pick that’s only played 2 years of CB. The fact he even is in the conversation with the #4 overall pick is wild and K9 will probably win OROY. Tariq is only going to get better and better, he’s also more physically gifted than sauce. They’re both the future of the league and I can’t wait for year 2.
Woolen is natural and Sauce is technical. One has played the position for many years while the other is semi new to it. I'll give it to those who are natural and thriving over those who are just thriving.
Woolen has the speed to Bait Quarterbacks… u can’t teach that. Woolen has been targeted half as much. A shutdown corner is the guy Quarterback’s just don’t throw at… that’s Riq…..
I have these mock draft simulators I play and Woolen seldom made it out of the third or even second round because everyone knew the speed, height and length. Gardner was kind of mid first round until climbing to the top of the first as great corners tend to do. I still can’t figure out why all teams passed on Woolen.
It was because the teams, other than the Seahawks, drafted on the basis of how that professional alcoholic greaser, Mel Kiper rated the players. The Seahawks ignored him and selected the players that gave them the best 2022 draft. That is why they are again ignoring him and signing Geno to an extension, rather than drafting one of his top-5 QB flops.
gotta be woolen bro every clip i’m this video is pi or holding it’s just a matter of time before it gets called. turnovers are what changes ball games not shut down. not to mention woolen has great coverage as well
As a Seahawks fan, I always thought Riq was better but just assumed that was my bias. After looking at the comments it’s nice to know that others agree, hawks fan or not.
Not at all like comparing lattimore and diggs, woolen has allowed less yards completion percentage passer rating, more takeaways, more tds scored, but just has allowed 2 more tds and has 3 less pass breakups. Diggs gave up about 1k yards with 11 picks and 4 tds woolen has allowed 314 yards and 3 tds 15 games into the season. That is a bias decision I am guessing and I think was a bias analysis
“Press coverage kind of mid” lol, whatttt. He was a press corner in college , they had concerns about him being a zone corner because that’s all they played in cinci. Crazy someone would say sauce press coverage is mid when that was his calling card .
I’m taking woolen. He’s play based off talent and hasn’t reached his potential yet. Don’t even know all the fundamentals. Sauce already reached his ceiling.
After everything you said about Woolen compared to Gardener, I’m surprised you didn’t take Woolen. He seems to be a better athlete with less experience at the position. I’d like to revisit the conversation in a year, who knows if one of them is just a flash in the pan
if i had to win right now this season only sauce doesn’t need to develop as much as woolen but if woolen can learn to cover like sauce and develop he will be miles better
I would for sure take Woolen over Sauce. He is always gonna remember that he was a 5th round pick and that could fuel him to beat everyone in terms of preparation. Dude also barely played corner in college and when he came into camp the defensive coordinator said he couldn’t catch anything which will only give him more to learn from the position as time goes on. Also I’m taking 4 more picks all day, turnovers win the game and he must have put magnets in his gloves and the ball since he seems to get hands on a ball almost every game. I also didn’t like that Sauce in the news complaining that he was getting less pro bowl votes than Woolen was, seems like a selfish thing for such a high draft pick to be complaining about.
Bro you said that woolen was better at the end but still chose sauce. Woolen has 6 ints, blocked fg, pick 6, and covers wr 1s more. Woolen is literally better. If riq doesn’t get droy something’s wrong
Sauce is a more tradicional corner with more refined skills, but Woolen is such a freakish athlete, there is no substitute for that. And he's been playing corner for 2 years total, NFL and college combined. It'scrazy to think he's still learning, so his ceiling is higher than Sauce's.
