The Disgusting Double Standards On Jiraiya And Hiruzen 

Should Jiraiya have stayed in the village after Naruto was born?

Jiraiya bought the popsicle with Naruto's money... That's even worse.

The whole naruto being so alone is a plothole on itself. Minato and Kushina didn't have a single friend that helped their son while growing up, even his own student and master didn't gave a flyer fuck about the boy for the first 12 years of his life

I always found it werid how jirayah spent years taking care of 3 random orphans but couldnt take care of his own students son

Hiruzen should have assigned a caretaker, but jiraiya was literally his god father 🤦‍♂️

I’m so glad someone else is talking about this. Jiraiya ditched his Godson and not nearly enough people talk about it.

It's funny because jiraiya didn't even do shit when orochimaru attacked the village and murder their sensei and father figure

I can't understand how did Naruto learn basic skills? Like talking or brushing teeth. Who was paternal figure when he was at age 0-4? Why wasn't he/she around after that? Iruka is cool, but it seems like he noticed Naruto only when he was already somewhere at the age of 9.

Its very stupid people don't recognize him as the son of Minato when there is a huge Minato face in the mountain and Naruto looks exactly like him

Jiraiya went out to buy cigarettes and returned 12 years later 😭

Didn’t realise the rent scene was filler until I saw this video, thanks for letting us know!

Jiraiya spent years to train The Amegakure orphans but couldn't even spend a week to spend with Naruto in an entire year. And Jiraiya was sent to fight in the 2ND Great Ninja war, not to keep tabs on snake lady.

Honestly you can feel how kishi was making stuff up as he went. That's not an insult some writers do fantastic work with that like DBZ and one piece where the story grows as the writer goes But Naruto this was always a strange plot hole in ho many people were there to take care of Naruto but never did. But kishi needed to give him the lonely swing set vibe to make you sympathetic to him at the start. It's just all strange. Same with the Sasuke is his friend backstory as at most they were classmates/rivals in Naruto's mind only becoming friends later as Sasuke said himself.

everyone hating on hiruzen forget that the man just wants to retire already. He was around during the First and Second Hokage's reign, he was youngest when he became hokage between the ages of 18-20 out of all seven hokages, he led konoha through two shinobi wars which lasted a total of 11 eleven years (there was a year gap between the second and third shinobi war), he had to stumble upon the fact his most prominent student became a horrific psychopath that tortured and experimented innocent people for his own means, and finally when he could appoint minato the fourth hokage after leading konoha for 29 years, minato dies a year later so he has to take up leadership again for another 13 years till his death. And all the while, he had Danzo being a sneaky bastard, trapped between his knowing that Danzo's conniving and ruthless nature is both essential for Konoha yet also the part he hates most about his home. The guys been through more stress than probably anyone we've seen in the show. Yet despite that, he was kind man to all and was the icon of the Will of Fire for over three generations of shinobi. People hate on him as if he wouldn't be an absolute saint compared to most political leaders we have in this world.

Finally! Justice... From the moment that I knew jiraiya was naruto legal tutor cant stop think about all these years naruto has to be alone and dealing with konohas hate where the fuck was jiraiya ?

I always questioned one thing about the Narutoverse..... who nursed baby Naruto? He was a newborn when Minato and Kushina made their sacrifice. Most newborns need milk. So who the hell nursed and took care of him? Hiruzen was in charge so he must have asked someone to do it. But keep in mind, in almost every culture, a newborn and the person who nurses them develop a bond. So when Naruto grows up, we never see any female characters who fit the definition of a nurse mother for him? Did Iruka bottle feed Naruto? No, because the very first episode Iruka displays a cold demeanor and blames Naruto for his parents death. Did the Ramen guy and his daughter help raise Naruto? We don't know!!!!!! this is one of those plot holes that they never delve into and it drives me crazy.

Another example of how people take memes and jokes too seriously and then believe it as fact.

Best moment in filler episode. Hiruzen: give money, told naruto to save money, refuse to elaborate about naruto question, leave Also hiruzen: beg a fish that kid naruto had to catch by himself cause he aint got money. Bruh, you are hokage, you should treat him not the other way around.

Can you make a similar video like this with the double standards surrounding Sasuke and Itachi? People are way too quick to call Sasuke a baby and demean his actions while simultaneously praising Itachi for committing Genocide

There's double standard for every character that's likeable .....everyone is bias towards a character they like

Jiraiya is arguably the worst spy of the entire Naruto franchise. Couldn’t track down Orochimaru a single time despite Orochimaru’s being right around the corner the whole time. found Tsunade after 12 years by ACCIDENT, was over reliant on his supposed contacts network. Heck he Stumbled on Naruto by accident, no evidence he ever planned to care for Naruto before they met at all! Like wtf dude greatest shinobi my ass.

One of the biggest problems is that people say that Hiruzen was a bad hokage and a asshole when the whole point is that he was a bad hokage because he was too nice of a guy and basically let Danzo deal with all the big problems. People say that he didn't take care of Naruto. It is kinda true but he was also lowkey a deadbeat to Asuma his actual son but that is never seen as a problem because I guess Asuma isn't the main character. As shown in the video even Naruto during Boruto was exhausted and neglected his family because of the demands of the hokage titel. Hiruzen never actually told anyone that Naruto was the jinchuriki it was reveald in a novel that Danzo leakez that so ideally Naruto would have a better childhood. And as said Hiruzen can't exactly force other people to not hate him because that is just being a dictator. Hell Hiruzen lost his wife Biwako to Kurama and even with that he never hated Naruto. Some people also say that he didn't take care of Sauske either. Don't know how much of the Kakashi anbu arc is canon since itvis based on a novel but at least in the anime Hiruzen put Naruto and Sauske together so that Sauske could eventually use the sharingan to controll and calm the nine tails so the attack could never be repeated. Hiruzen did have some Ls as hokage. He didn't kill Orochimaru but that was because he still saw him as his pupil and didn't want to give upp on him. And then when they meet during the konoha crush and he sees how far Orochimaru has fallen he gave his life and permanently crippeld Orochimaru weakening him until the 4th war. And he also saw this as a failiure and felt great guilt and remorse for it. He didn't manage to stop the Uchiha massacare but he was also the only elder who actually wanted or really tried to mend bridges. When it happend because of Danzo, Hiruzen still felt great regrett in being unable to stop it with even Itachi feeling greatfull to him althoug he himself disagreed. Him not getting rid of Danzo was probably his only true mistake but that was because Danzo was basically his Sauske. Even tough Danzo would never say it outloud deep down he still cared about him as a friend and just wanted to catch upp to him. Even tough they dissagreed with eatchothers methods they still ultimately trusted eachother deep down. And while Danzo did a lot of evil shit that many times backfired he at least genuenly tought it was for the good of the village. Of course this also meant for his own good as in his own mind the village could only prosper with him at the head. In the end tough he died as a ninja sacrificeing himself to stop Tobi and Sauske from getting more power. Hell its shown that Hiruzen took care of Iruka after the ninetails attack and pretty much encouraged him to look after Naruto in his stead. All in all Hiruzen tried his best with what he was given.

I never understood the third hokage hate. Hiruzen wasn't a bad guy.

Remember jiraiya was chasing his boyfriend orochimaru for years. Like student like master

the biggest diffrence between Jiraiya and hiruzen was : Jiraiya was working in an anbu like job and he was in a really shitty head-space for a while. But Hiruzen the richest man in the village the ninja president didin't give him enough money or help him even to buy his grocerys...

Hirzen is hated on because of potholes and filler which is unfair. Reasonable hate would be how badly he handled Orochimaru and Danzo

People should be puttimg most of the blame on Danzo for leaking out the fact that naruto had the nine tails.

Hiruzen slander takes a huge blow today.

Honestly the secret jinchuriki and 4ths son plot is bleh. Since literally everyone knows hes the 9 tails anyways, and basically the only prestige it gives later is all the characters saying "wow i really see his father in him now" Even trying to hide it is silly since Itachi and the Akatsuki even orochimaru (basically everyone that wants to attack) already know about him. So it doesn't really protect him at all either.

Guess the next ai story us "what If Naruto was adopted by hiruzen and trained with jiraya for 10 years while having a harem and being able to summon both toads and monkeys as well as learning sage mode early and knowing he had loving parents and a lot of money with special teachers to help him improve while the swing set isn't as plot relevant"

Since we don't know the legal system of Naruto world "Godfather" is as much of a title as "Sannin".

Jiriya was his godfather. Hiruzen's job was literally to take care of him and he jsut sort of did nothing to counteract the abuse Naruto suffered and also allowed a fuckign child to live alone, surviving off ramen. Is jiriya in the wrong for not doing more? Yes. Is hiruzen just as bad if not worse? Abso-fucking-lutely

Minato saved the entire village from destruction by the Nine-Tails and defeated masked Obito? And then as they were dying Hiruzen promised them to take care of Naruto. And he did the bare minimum. Once Naruto was "old enough" he put him in a small apartment with little allowance and allowed the entire village to ostricize him. And he didn't say a word to them. "Stop hating him it isn't his fault." , "He is Minato and Kushina's son". Or take him in as a son and raise him like your own. You know properly train your villages Jinchuriki to not only be physically strong enough to protect himself, but also is mentally strong enough so he doesn't snap from abuse/trauma and destroys the village. I see people make the argument that if it was known he was the Minato's son he would be targeted. But he is targeted anyway! And the name Uzumaki doesn't exactly cover things up, because Uzumaki is one of the most legendary Ninja clans ever. So what was Hiruzen doing? He just came around from time to time to hear Naruto say that life sucks.

We have to be honest here... This whole Naruto is alone plot is just really bad writing. With Sasuke it makes actually a lot of sense, but the Naruto one is beyond forced. And i agree with this video 100%

Shikamaru and his father are the onky people who doesnt judge naruto

That konan and itachi meme at the beginning what the hell 🤣

Nobody can tell me “it is dangerous to be known as the Yellow Flash’s son.” There is literally nothing more dangerous than being known as the jinchuriki of the strongest tailed beast.

He made the whole situation of Naruto living alone and having no one. This is ninja village. Orphans happen all the time. The least he could do was to find him foster family.

Thanks for the video!

in defense of Jiraiya 1. when did Jiraiya learn of minato and kushina's death? for all we know he could have learned about it like shortly before going back to the leaf. 2. you assume he was just peaking on girls when he outright said he was spying on orochimaru and the akastkui organization and while that may seem like its a bit of a stretch to be gone for so long remember all three saninn were gone from the village that long for their own personal reasons odds are he wasn't as in touch with the leaf and even if he was who would have told him about Minato and Kushina and Naruto? Not saying Jiraiya is the best parental figure just saying its more understandable he wasn't in Naruto's life at the start and while he did first start to train him because of the sexy justu he did grow attached to him to the point he started training him out of interest in his future

You'd think After 30 years of being a mayor of a village that participated in 3 world wars, got attacked by Godzilla and is sending it's citizens on missions where they get knives thrown at them and fire breath on.. Hiruzen would have built an orphanage. How many ninjas never return back from missions? Like 1/week? At least 52 orphans a year. Are they all getting flats? Did just Naruto get a flat as a favour? So there's hundreds of homeless orphans? This never would have happened with Madara as Hokage.

Jiraya didn't promise to Naruto's dying parents did he

Wow, this video kinda made me see a new perspective. It was a great one! Besides, Dygo is y favorite “Naruto youtuber” 😅

3rd hokage was basically hit the hardest with Shippuden Especially since he wasn't alive and people can Blame him on everything danzo and Naruto related. If he somehow did survive kishi would have probably given a more reasonable reason to why Naruto was growing up in the ghetto like needing to keep the 9 tails a secret(that everyone knew about) or reasons to why things ended up that way. Probably the strongest earth style jutsu with this massive plot hole

As the best spy and ninja at the time ever, why didn't Jiraiya figure out that Orochimaru is coming for the village and why didn't he come to defend his sensei .... the answer is easy ... cause the writers messed up

2:02 You can't skip the filler if you're watching it while it's airing. When I was a kid I didn't even know what filler or canon were. As far as I knew, everything was part of the canon.

This is rhe content i subscribe for! Love it man! Keep crushing it!

The difference is that before we learn about Jiraiya being his godfather we are shown that he’s a bit irresponsible. Competent but irresponsible nonetheless. However, Hiruzen is not only Hokage, but also a father of two, so we have an expectation that he will be more responsible and have an understanding of how a child should be raised.

Well we can also say Jiraiya stole his godson’s money to go to the brothels

You know that Minato and Kushina are running hands with Jiraiya and Hiruzen in the afterlife.

Love your videos dude 🔥

I mean, by all standards everyone hated and let Naruto grow himself for plot-reasons. This includes Jiraya, Hiruzen, Sasuke's Mother, Kakashi, and, all the Jonins we know and love. But, as you argued that Hiruzen was very busy with the village, you can argue the same for Jiraya. We don't know what he did in those 12 years when he was not in the village, but since we do know he discovered stuff about akatsuki, clearly he worked for the village, arguably preventing wars to start when the village was weak as well. Whatever mission or investigation Jiraya did was too dangerous to take a kid with him (12yo Naruto was a shinobi so not considered a civilian child at that point). The only thing that Jiraya could have done would be to take the role of 5th Hokage, thus staying in the village to rise Naruto as his godfather while the village will benefit alot from one of the 3 sannins as the Hokage, but anyways, he was a kind of what Sasuke is in Burrito-verse. Oh, and maybe Hiruzen is not the worst, BUT, everything that happened to the Uchiha clan and to the Naruto (who's jinchuriky identity should have been kept a secret), was BEACAUSE OF THE DANZO, WHOM HE LET DO WHATEVER TF HE WANTS FOR ALMOST LIKE 1 CENTURY?! IDK man, the only reason I don't like Hiruzen is because I absolutely hate Danzo, and Hiruzen was the one who let Danzo have all that power and influence, he was also aware of pretty much all the nasty things Danzo did, arguably in advance, and still had 0 action points, "because we need the shadow of the fire" BS. Oh, and the argument with the house, well, I'm pretty sure the son of the 4th Hokage should be able to inherit their house and money. And, just because he didn't let Naruto die is not testament of how good Hiruzen was. Even if Naruto was not the son of the 4th Hokage, Hiruzen would have done the exact same thing, not because of love, but because of the necessity of having a Jinchuuriki in the village, he can't afford to let the Bijuu get berserk because he lets a child die of cold and hunger, can you? And about the argument with "but nobody was violent with Naruto", well, that's because they were freaking scared Naruto will kill them if they do anything to him, if anything, this is Danzo's making not Hiruzens.

people were hard on hiruzen for a multitude of reasons,not taking care of naruto the uchiha clan massacre letting orochimaru go and letting danzo do whatever he wanted

Thanks so much 4 this bcuz the disrespect people put on the 3rd is ridiculous. Shout out to my ninja the 3rd!!!!

Thank you for making this video!! Filler straight up ruined the 3rd as a character.

Here’s the thing with pervy sage he’s actually traveling and doing stuff dealing with orochimaru he did the shadow hokage thing before sasuke that’s my reasoning that’s why I like ur rewrite more cuz naruto doesn’t wanna talk about his dad & mess with hiruzen off rip even though hiruzen is actively trying to get close with Naruto and no i didn’t even remember that filler scene it more so me thinking why are so distant from naruto & didn’t connect with him

7:56 yeah, I’m sure his childhood would still be tough, even with his father around. But you wanna know the big difference between that timeline and the original? The fact that he has a father. And dosent live alone in his formative years with only occasional visits from Hiruzen. Honestly it’s probably the most unrealistic aspect of Naruto, the fact that Naruto didn’t grow into a serial killer like anyone else in that situation would. Hell, Gaara basically became a state sanctioned serial killer, and Kishimoto literally had to make Naruto ninja Jesus so that through the power of god and anime he would miraculously become a good person

Jiraiya was out doing dope shit. Hiruzen was too busy figuring out how to best genocide the Uchiha

Keep up the great content❤

Hey dygo I’m struggling with thumbnails any chance you can help?

You opened my eyes to the truth, fr

To be fair Jiraya thought that Hirozen had it covered and went to write more novels and find his destiny told to him by the great toad on mount miyoboku

I think Jiraiya was looking for the Child of Prophecy in the 12 years he was away. He thought that was his life purpose to find them and then he noticed Naruto

I mean, tbf, Kishimoto didn't think of Jiraiya yet. For the first 12 years of Naruto's life, Jiraiya literally didn't exist

boruto really put it into perspective about the role of hokage, he did the best he could.

this is a very important video Narutofans need to watch, Kishimoto's intentions for Hiruzen vs the fans perspective of him is wildly different. very good video

Can you make a video explaining the whole thing with Orochimaru losing his arms. I don’t understand - was his jutsu sealed away or his arms? Because if the latter - why can he not use his own jutsu once he gets a new set of arms? Would he have just started from the ground up with Sasuke’s body and said fuck his arms being sealed?

Finally justice for Hiruzen. He certainly made mistakes, but he was far from a bad leader or even a bad father figure. Asuma, his son, recognized this better than anyone, besides all of his students, they were like sons to him, hence the difficulty of stopping Orochimaru. And the main factor that shows that he did his best to take care of Naruto, is the fact that the Hokage that Naruto looks up to and admires, is not Hashirama, nor Tobiram or Kakashi, but the kind Sarutobi. Just remembering the scene where Tsunade disrespects the third man's memory shows how much Naruto respected the Old Man. And we can see in the status quo of Naruto acting as the seventh Hokage

Hiruzen should’ve made sure naruto recieved the world, cause he was the child of one of their villages greatest leaders.

@7:09 that's a crazy narrative to spin about Minato🤨😯 😆

The fact that no-one knew Naruto was Minato`s son but that he had the fox was a mayor pothole. But let's be honest Hiruzen was a pretty lousy hokage. He left Naruto mostly on his own as a kid, then again that seemed to be normal in the oh so great Village hidden between the leafs (Oroshimaru, Iruka,...), raising orphans is apparently not in the job description for any of the villagers. And let us not forget he basically forced a teenager to slaughter his entire clan... yeah Danzo did it, but he looked away anytime some unpopular decision had to be made (at least Tobirama wasn't`t afraid to get his hands dirty).

What chapter was it mentioned that Jiriya was Naruto’s godfather not saying it’s wrong I just don’t remember?

finally so its not just me that thought this

8:46, Dygo you forgot, Boruto isn't canon, it is just bad fan fiction worse than the Naruto filler.

Excellent video. Dispelling odd community perspectives

Hiruzen giving Naruto his allowance and Hiruzen promising Kushina he would take care of Naruto are both filler scenes in the anime that dont exist in the manga. Hiruzen did look after Naruto as he is shown watching over him using his crystal ball in chapter 1 and 2. Naruto also is fine. He wasn't "buying spoilt milk" that's a stupid misinterpretation of the scene. That scene is to showcase how clumsy Naruto is: because if he was buying old food he would be eating a moldy sandwich at the start of chapter 3, but he isnt. In the fanbook it states that Naruto has plants in his apartment that are taken cared for: most adults can't take care of plants properly, so the fact Naruto can suppprts the fact that the milk is a singular occurrence. As well as that: Naruto has and uses grooming products, which someone who was poor couldn’t necessarily afford to do. People act as if the entire world of Naruto doesn’t send kids to battle at as young as 5 years old. And people want to complain about Naruto not having a great childhood: kids in general dont have a good childhood in Naruto. They grow up with PTSD and there is a consistent generational trauma and low life expectancy - especially when the ninja world has been at war more times than it has been at peace. Hiruzen literally says that as soon as you get the headband you're an adult in chapter 2 in the leaf. And kids mostly graduate the academy at as young as 10 if not younger. Which means independence is paramount in that ninja society and is an expectation. Naruto doesnt get any caretakers just like Sasuke, Kakashi, Iruka, Orochimaru didn’t get any. To talk about Naruto's childhood before the beginning of the series is stupid as fuck because we don't see any of it and we no information of it is canon. If Naruto was to be given a guardian the only appropriate person would be Jiraya - since he's someone Hiruzen can trust and is powerful enough to protect Naruto against Akatsuki who might harm him. Where the fuck was Jiraya though? He was writing porn and sexually harassing women and being a disgrace to mankind. The kind of man who the MeToo movement is attempting to bring to justice. A fucking loser who can't accept his responsibility as a Godfather and runs away from it. If you blame Hiruzen I will pack you the fuck up with just the first 3 chapters alone. Then we can see how much you know about Naruto.

Difference is Sarutobi owes Kushina and Minato his life, Jiraiya doesn't

I’ll die on the hill of Jiriaya assumed Naruto was in good hands with Hiruzen.

Spot on video munch respect

Let’s be real the worse thing Hirozen did was let Danzo do whatever he wanted

I think if hirozen could have hired someone to look after the kid.

Fun fact: Hiruzen once wanted Jiraiya to be the next Hokage.

Poor Hiruzen suffered the worst fate a Naruto character could receive. Anime only fans misunderstandings.

I would like to believe jiraiya had too much more important ninja responsibilities to take care of. ie. Being the shadow hokage, gathering I tell on threats, spying on orochimaru and the akatski… but was he really? I mean there’s still the nine tails attack. I guess you can argue how would he even know about obito anyways. But orochimaru still managed an all out invasion with the sand village. Like how do you not see the sand making weird and large movements? Pretty sure they even mentioned the leaf noticed and chopped it up to simulation training or something. Like sure jiraiya took down the summons but he should have looked into it more and prevented that sheet from happening in the first place. Plus the akatski (the main focus of his mission at the time) invaded and only kakashi and the other sensei’s confronted them. What was jiraiya doing for all those years? I bet he was just doing some pervy “research” for his “book”

i think jiraiya was collecting info about akatsuki and needed to go into some shady thing that you just cant go with a child.

Hiruzen Sarutobi is hated for the Uchiha clan's massacre

Wait what about other orphans. A ninja village must have quite a bit especially if it’s the leaf that suffers major catastrophes on a regular basis (Obito attack, Orochimaru attack, Pain attack, etc.). Wouldn’t it make more sense to put Naruto in some orphanage like system that also teaches him the fundamentals of being a ninja. Then on graduation and becoming a genin he would owe said orphanage money. This would help explain what happened to his parents assets as well as provide some additional motivation for Naruto in the beginning chapters.

By the way, I'm sure everyone in the village knew Kushina was pregnant and Minato was about to have a child, and nobody asked what happened to the baby after they died?

People love using filler to justify their arguments and it genuinely gets me angry. They can’t find anything to defend their beliefs, so they run to filler and hide from the manga/canon

I hate how fans just assume Hiruzen should have been super close to Naruto and that he didn't have the same sort of fear or disdain for him as other villagers. Remember that originally Naruto was going to literally be Kurama and this is how villagers viewed him even if he didn't show it. Hiruzen being very close to Naruto would not only put his life at risk but would also make him less popular with the village. And it was also very normal to treat jinchurikis very badly, far worse than how he was treated. We could however talk about all of Minato's and Kushina's clan's money but the economics of Naruto and ninja wages is thoroughly borked anyway. Death likely leads to money going to the village and not to descendants. Headcanon some inheritance paperwork not getting filled out. But of course the Naruto world economy is borked anyway with Naruto being poor even after S rank missions so best not to think about it.

Naruto suffers badly from “my author didn’t plan this story out past the opening arcs” disease. It could not be more clear that originally he wasn’t thoroughbred ninja royalty, that Jiriya existing and being Naruto’s godfather wasn’t paned. The tailed beasts being a group wasn’t planed (hence why shukaku doesn’t share any of the traits the others do). Its a fun read/watch but its not a story that stands up to even cursory scrutiny.

My points on Hiruzen being bad is not directly tied to him not raising Naruto, but his decisions during his second time as Hokage. - He let Danzo leak the news about Naruto being Jinchuriki (I belive it's Volume 2 of Itachi Shinden) and didn't supressed it, despite being the ultimate power in the village, which also resulted in worsening the reputation of the Uchiha clan - Didn't managed to find a good footing with relations with Uchiha clan, thus resulting in their massacre by his orders. - Let Orochimaru go, which led to many horrible events that he ensued. And all that are actual decisions that he made. Not "mistakes" that you claim them to be.

Jiraiya slander is always appreciated. I see nothing appealing or interesting in this character. Yes, his death was sad, and that's the only part with him I actually enjoyed watching.

Hiruzen is the hokage, he does not have time to look after 1 child when he has a whole village to support. He did what he could.

The real culprits to me are Konoha's Foster Care and Orphanages. If the children are the future, then they should have been the first ones to step up to take care of them, no matter how "evil" or "demonic" they think a kid like Naruto is.

Kishimoto doesn't think ahead , Makin a retcon that jiraya was the godfather literally makes the scene he doesn't recognize naruto non sense in hindsight, he also neve shows sasukes life after th massacre realistically sasuke woulda killed himself like gaara tried to, he then has flashbacks of naruto and sauske knowing each other as kids , recognizing their mutual loneliness but don't become friends till they're assigned together ?? Naruto got ramen when he was older so what did he eat all this time, same with sasuke, and my god the massacre retcon ruined hiruzens character

Orochimaru>>>>>> jiraiya

Without Hiruzens harsh Treatment raising him alone Naruto wouldend be WHO he IS With a Family raised His Talk No Jutsu wouldend exist or doese Not bring the Same Effekt

Hiruzen actually did take care of Naruto until he was by Village standards old enough to live by himself. He covered his rent and ensured him an allowance based around his Heritage from his father and mother. However Hiruzen also had to keep the unstable peace of village and the political turmoil. and Naruto was one of those political turmoils. with the village elders as we all know making things worse including Danzo that always waited for a chance to usurp the Hokage seat. Hiruzen also couldn't show favourtism towards the boy too much, as the entire village hated him, saw him as a monster with Danzo wanting to use him as a weapon even. the Ban on calling Naruto the Fox demon alone was punished severely, as in the goddamn Anbu would visit you if not the Hokage himself to make you shut your trap. How does people expect one man that has to keep the balance of the village's power structure in balance also take care of Naruto like his own son, at his old age.

Jiraiya was a shinobi who spent most of his time outside of the village. He didn't even live in the leaf for until Naruto was a little older, at which point he took him under his wing and trained him for years. Hiruzen was the hokage, and didn't really do much for Naruto..