Thank you for not blaming the music. Though it isn't my preference, I still appreciate that you held the individual accountable and not what he listened to.
From what I've seen, it's bad parenting that causes kids to rebel. Sometimes they rebel by listening to music their parents don't like and dressing in ways their parents don't like. That's why that type of music/scene attracts them. But it's the fault of bad parenting, not the music. Same with anti police and anti government groups. They're the result of bad policing and bad governing, causing ppl affected by it to start and join those groups.
Strict parenting, over parenting, helicopter parenting. Music was the only escape from my reality a lot of the time. I found comfort in artist like Tyler the creator. It’s not that I agreed with what he was saying but expressing himself in ways that I wasn’t really allowed. Wasn’t allowed to do alot so it was nice for someone to portray to be totally opposite of the life i was forced to live 🤮
Music? Wtf music? It’s always the Parents fault. It starts with genetics. Like before people fuck do you guys make a comprehensive list of everything that’s ran through your families? No one does but you can use your brain right?
@@shakeybonessrh maybe you haven't heard of other cases where law enforcement and lawyers blamed what defendants listened to, rather than the individuals. There are also instances where people have become suspects because they were deemed satanic due to their musical preferences, such as "The West Memphis Three". Placing the blame on musical interests is not novel, hence my post.
@@crazypsychoamy1021 she got him killed? Or did Dick do? Or maybe rather the police after the first screwed up welfare check? How tf can you blame the mother and not Dick, who did the actual killing(s) or the police, who seemed to have sent the exact same and only two cops in the precinct, born without the sense of smell, to a house smelling like death milestones in every direction, Dick himself included?
@@belladonnahigh9206 it's always easy to blame the mother in these situations. I seem to see a pattern in true crime that so many people are itching to blame the mom for everything even when it doesn't make sense. It's tiresome lmao
@@crazypsychoamy1021 She said she called him when he was driving, already on his way to the house. So he didn't go to the house because of her call. He was already going there.
If that were my mom and I was missing for 2 days at a friends house and no one was answering the phones. Besides a friend who was giving different stories. Then she’d know something was up, track down the house and either get the police to go in or go in herself. I’d do the same thing for my kid. I wouldn’t be waiting for 2 days
For somebody who is supposedly obsessed with death, Richard sure did a lot to avoid it (not commit suicide, accept a plea bargain to avoid the death penalty, etc...).
Right? They are all a bunch of wannabes. These little shits always Cracked in combat. They were the one dropping stuff on their foot to break it or slam a hand in a door. They are literally always little punks.
@@Wort-Wort-Wortmore like he kept pushing himself into this persona because he stayed submissive instead of standing up for himself and I don’t mean just bullying. Blaming this entire thing on “bullying” is very arrogant when it’s apparent there was a lot more problems.
The cops get calls every day to do home checks. We can’t legally enter the house. They didn’t have reasonable suspicion. The issue isn’t with the cops but the rules we must follow. The video is wrong at least in mass. We cannot enter a home on a welfare check unless allowed. And as far as qualified immunity that is only in civil cases. Doesn’t stop a cop getting fired or arrested
@@untroubledwaters2137 they had permission to break in from you after days then yes. After 12 hours with no homeowner permission I promise u that u are wrong. And even after days with an ex wife telling you to break in rather than a child of the occupant is a very touchy area
@@ransakreject5221 it literally stated in the video that the police had to means to go in with multiple calls for a minor and welfare check when they haven't heard from them in days. Plus the police even said they smelled horrible smells. The police just fucking sucked and dropped the ball
There is a very distinct odor that comes from a rotting corpse. It’s unmistakable if you’ve ever smelled it. Absolutely wretched smell. How the police, even if they don’t know that smell, didn’t think they should investigate it further while investigating multiple missing/unaccounted for minors, baffles me beyond belief. A pure cavalier attitude causing further trauma to that poor family.
Have you smelt it before!?😧 You're so right tho! Like wtf they didn't even try to get in contact with the homeowners at all! They just talked to some creepy kid and took his word when looking for multiple missing people! The police totally fucked up big time! I mean not that there was anything they could do but still!
I also don't understand how the father that came to the house looking for his "missing daughter" was able to just leave and go on back home. Mind blowing!! I would've kicked that damn door off the hinges for my daughter.
@@charliechurch5004 take a GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF. I sense some evil within. I don’t PRETEND to be a God fearing Christian, but I’ll leave you @Charlie “Church” with a scripture from your good book. NIV Matthew 7 1. Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4. How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
@@Bulls-eye4795 oh, thank u for clarifying, in a polite way. I still feel frustrated with the parents of these young ppl. I feel sad and upset that this happened. I'm a parent and I get emotional over this kinda thing, senseless violence.🥺
The sickest most disturbing part of this entire story is the fact that he spent DAYS in that house after the murders. His brain must have been in a severely deep state of shock for the majority of that time, otherwise I just cant fathom the the ability to consciously endure that reality of your actions with bodies under the same roof. Has to be one of the most spine chilling crime videos I've ever watched.
If you can find it watch the Web of Lies tv show episode about the Farmville Murders. its dramatized a bit but its more information about the case nonetheless
My heart breaks for Melanies mom!! She tried so hard to reach out for help and KNEW something wasn't right only to be simply pacified by the police. Infuriating. I can't imagine what it was like for her to hear the gut wrenching truth and details.
Yes, valuing societal judgement, road trips and possibly breaking and entering charges can be a real obstacle when you are worried about the safety of your child.
if i were her and he kept giving me the runaround about where my kid was, i would break into the fucking house even if it meant i went to jail to find my kid I really wouldn’t care!
Yea and she was so polite every time she called!! I would have drive down there immediately and probably would have ended up his next victim. I feel soooo sad for her! Thank god she didn’t lose her husband as well!
I was severely picked on and quit school. I ended up going back. My mother was a severe alcoholic that neglected me. I feel this doesn't make u kill people. He's just evil, nothing to figure out here.
Trauma affects different people in different ways. We know far too little about its effects and treatment. I don't think Richard was born 'evil'. I think like so many western serial killers, he was created by his environment. My heart goes out the families of the victims.
Investigation Discovery had this case in one of their series. They interviewed Emma’s friend, Razakel. She said that Emma told her she thought Richard was very weird, and he was nothing how she imagined him to be, he made her feel very uncomfortable. Shortly after, Emma started ignoring him and barely talked to him; which slowly started to enrage him
Razakel and her husband convinced Sam to kill the victims because Emma did him wrong and "dissed the label" (skr records the "label" razakel and her husband owned ) There is so much more to this that's known to people in the horror core scene.
I'm a little confused, if he didn't bathe for days after the murders and continued wearing the same bloody clothes, how did the police not see the blood stains on his clothes or his body during the welfare checks or when they investigated the noise in the basement? Also why would they not search the whole house to make sure it was clear along with the basement? The smell, might not have been as bad as neighbors made it sound, Mel's dad sat there for 8hrs. Then went home, surely he would have reported a strange odor considering he was trying to find his daughter, but the stink on the murderer was definately noticeable according to the tow truck driver. Police had several interactions with that psycho kid and didnt notice anything odd?
Exactly... Idk what's wrong with small town cops they seem to be so uncaring about the members of their community. You would think they would be more motivated to investigate suspicious smells/behaviors etc...
Apparently he had a jacket or something over his shirt most of the time. He crashed marks car at like 4am also, and the cops didn't even notice his shirt because of the one he had over it. They just gave him a ticket and said jog on.
The police were so negligent here. The fact that they did not ask to speak to the home owner and did not notice any odour despite neighbours noticing it from much further away is ridiculous. Also the fact there were two missing minors involved one who's mother contacted the police regularly and yet she was met with nonchalance by officers. If I lived here I would be most concerned by the failures of the local police force as they fell very short of what is expected.
"Oh yeah, two minors are missing and neither of the two adult owners are here but this unrelated teenage boy is looking after things so seems legit to me" like WHAT were they thinking
The fact that he had spoken with police several times and not shown any nerviousness or a sign something was wrong says all I need to know about this sic kid..
welp, could this not being nervous stuff that u mention, come from the help of "demonic powers" or "dark forces" that he worshipped and sang about......or is it super natural power of white privilege working at his aid?! lol lol jk
Do you honestly believe the police's account on his behavior when they literally couldn't care less until they stumbled upon a gruesome crime scene that they knew they couldn't downplay? It sounds more like a very convenient excuse to me
@@canuckfan1745 as a white man who has been harassed countless times by police for just walking down the street as well as being beaten and arrested on madeup nonsense you're an idiot if you think being white gives you privilege with the police. Having and looking like you have money gives you privilege.
Those initial videos to Emma hit so off because that is exactly the type of awkward but friendly video I'd expect from a teenager "proving" to their online friend that they're not secretly a murderer or something. And yet, this was the result.
@stustutofuI know exactly why because I knew them. Sam was a Promoter in the scene, same as Emma. Both were higher up in that hierarchy of "Work for Free" Teens that ran Myspace Promotion. That's how they met and were connected.
Dude the quivering voice is such a red flag. I’ve known kids like him. I’m a death metal guy with some appreciation for horrorcore or death rap. It’s an escape, not a means to an end. This kid just took his teenage angst way too far. You get rejected, you write a song about it, not this crap.
@@cw5894 you did claim it as a fact “his quivering voice is fake” you are stating that it’s a fact that his quivering voice is fake bubba, if you said “I think” or “probably” then you wouldn’t be presenting it as a fact, you don’t have to say somethings a fact in order for you to present it as one, BUBBA
I live in Virginia, and this is still one of the most shocking and awful things to happen in the entire state, especially Farmville, which is a rather small college town. My mom still talks about it. She asked me if i knew what horrorcore was because she was worried I'd meet someone like this guy. The entire thing just breaks my heart.
I remember my mom asked me the same thing about horrorcore just because I would go to hardcore punk and metal shows at the Modern Exchange, the venue where these people went to see their concert. I was never into ICP or anything like that.
I can assure you as a big fan of horrorcore (albeit only a few specific artists, none of which perform at that festival) that not all of us are crazy people, lol. I may listen to songs about murder and violence, but I actually have a lot of empathy for all people, no matter their race, gender, sexuality, etc. At the end of the day it's just music, and there are psycho fans for every genre - like that dude who was obsessed with Björk..
I've never, ever heard anything good coming from that kind of dark stuff certain people are into. NEVER. While they don't always turn into murderers, it's nonetheless rather obvious that it's not the best stuff to fill your mind with. Why would you do it? What possible rationale is there, for it? THERE...ISN'T...ANY, PERIOD. It's probably better to NOT do it (and that's a major 'no duh!'). There's nothing profound or scientific about it. It does no one ANY good to get into dark subjects/thoughts, etc.
@@noahhyde8769 I mean there is nothing good coming from mainstream singers and rappers either. To my knowledge these mainstream people have killed more people than people that listen to Horrorcore, punk, metal, rock, etc... Most of the mainstream crap is about drugs, gangs, shaking ass, etc... It also seems many of them are okay with drugging beverages at bars and raping women... Maybe don’t judge someone’s taste in music...You do you. If you don’t like it then don’t listen. You don’t need/have to understand because it has nothing to do with you. Anyway, Stay Blessed and have a wonderful day, sincerely.
Its almost like we abolished slavery or something. Cops can be just as lazy and incompetent and a fastfood worker. Yes law enforcement is corrupt! But what stopped her from driving her happy ass down to the house and breaking the door down?! Wasnt gas prices! Wasnt that she didnt know where! Oh, a breaking and entering charge!! Oh no, she might be on the news because her daughter might just be ignoring her!! Could you imagine the shame she wouldve felt if nothing was wrong?!
And they didn’t even do anything based off her calling. They went because he called about sounds, outside reports etc. just sick and sad. I pray for the families especially Ms Kathleen.
I couldn’t agree more, especially about your gut. It ONLY has your best interests in mind, can you say that for anything else? You gut doesn’t have a voice so it communicates to you any way it can!
Except that my mom would tell me "something bad is going to happen - I feel it" every, single time I wanted to do something she didn't want me to (which was anything that required me to leave the house 🙄..) and nothing ever did lmao.. except when she insisted I was "fine"
I've heard a wise man say these words while listening to some mass shooting coverage "if your going to hurt or murder some one, just kill yourself, worthless piece of shit." Imagine if all those school shooters justed capped themselves instead of murdering their peers. Sure it's sad. But better than having so many families suffer due to one asshole.
I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around why anyone would let a 20 year old man not only visit, but stay the night in the house when he was there bc he was romantically interested in their 16 year daughter.
Some parents are way too accepting. They think "oh its just 4 years." Yes, but they don't realize that they're also in two completely separate stages of life.
A friend they met over the internet nonetheless. They don't even know who this guy is. Seriously, I think the issue was that the parents were more worried about the daughter's acceptance rather than the issue at hand. I am sure though that those loving parents are sincerely regretting their decision every day of their life.
I had a friend who got pregnant at 16 by a 28 year old. Her parents would invite him over to drink and smoke, but only if he would bring diapers. Her parents gave us weed all the time and her mom gave us pills. There were several other grown men that they knew about us getting drunk and high with and would have over to their house. They didn't care at all. The dad stayed to care when she started to get worse on meth but her mom wold always cover for us. It was insanity.
That's so disgusting his clothes were soaked in rotting blood and he never changed them and just walked around smelling like that 🤮 I hated how he spoke too with that hissss like a ssssnake..so glad he was caught
He was a stinki boi prior to getting all that human gunk on him that's why he didnt get laid. He was a stinki boi after and getting non sexual body fluids all over his clothes from murdering.
It’s understandable to have violent thoughts due to being bullied but acting on it is just psychotic. There’s no justifying taking an innocent humans life
Same but I act violently sometimes when I snap out like throwing the chairs and notebooks to my classmates. I had also violent thoughts of killing my bullies and classmates but I stopped myself. Sometimes, my violent thoughts are there but I am doing my best not to snap out.
someone could go through the exact same thing you went through and come out like this guy. its not evil, it's the difference in the way you react to situations. you didnt react violently because thats not how your brain decided to process what you were going through. other people have different genetic make ups and environments.
@@vicksus4809 how about just now giving a fuck about those people, once they know they wont get a reaction they stop. i was bullied because i moved a lot, and naturally after the 2nd time moving just started not giving a fuck about anything. surprisingly the bullying stopped then and i actually made "friends".
Absolutely bizarre that the police dept did nothing despite the fact that it WASN’T his house and there was no sign of the actual homeowners or their child. Some random dude squatting there every time they came by for a welfare check and they’re like “everything checks out to us!”
Seems it’s quite common, the amount of times I’ve heard of welfare checks being done and the police leave without noticing the dead body in the back room, or the dying man on the floor. You heard the case of Ryan Waller where the cops claimed they couldn’t legally enter the house so just kinda did nothin, despite a young man being shot in the head and his gf being dead? And the Cleveland strangler; officers regularly checking up on him as part of his probation, yet no one noticed a bunch of dead women in his home?! You couldn’t make it up, it’s so ridiculous... horrifyingly shockingly despairingly ridiculous. 😔
Most of these police don’t care enough to investigate things thoroughly sadly. They’re just there to do their job, be above the law, and collect a paycheck 🤦🏼♂️
The way he talks in the videos is the maturity level of my ten year old daughter who has a developmental disorder. How anyone thought he was normal blows my mind.
All his videos show he has a shaky voice, and maybe why he was teased. Maybe she didn't think he'd actually show, and then felt awkward or embarrassed and couldn't tell him to go home. No one knows the full story but him. Everyone else is dead.
We all knew he had confidence issues and was awkward. But otherwise seemed normal. A few weird things like he watched me shake hands with everyone else when I was leaving a Weekend Practice Festival for Strictly For The Wicked. He then decided to hug me instead of shaking my hand. That was odd to me because it's not a hugging culture and he watched everyone else shake my hand rather than hug.
@@tiathetaurus what’s your question is he trying to sound like the rapper Mars? He is, syko sam was one of his biggest fans and mars talked about him on the news. Mars is horrorcore rapper from Bay Area in California. He was also a favorite of the Red Lake Indian reservation school 🔫 er Jeff Weiss and has been on the news for that incident as well
It's so sad that Emma's parents truly tried so hard to keep her safe. They also let her be who she was going to be regardless of how they might have felt about it. Those are some amazing parents. My heart hurts for Melanie's mom. She tried so hard to find out what was going on 😢
Pretty irresponsible really. Its not moreso about "letting her be who she was", but really being a good parent to a naive teen. Why would you ever let some kid your daughter has never actually met stay in your house? Or even go with her anywhere
Oooh how amazing is their parenting that it results in the tragic loss of their daughter... You downturn minded people blaming parents for teaching their children what's wrong and not allowing them to do it, you should get some classes in biology and logic.
@@Ze_Moose @Ze_Moose What do you mean by disciplined? *If you mean corporal punishment*, then part of your gratefulness is probably from ignorance of the world around you. After searching "are you more likely to commit crimes if you were disciplined as a kid" I found several sources (the very first one being a .gov site) claiming that not only does it increase the likelihood of committing crimes, it also increases likelihood of the child developing antisocial behaviors. After searching "likelihood of committing crimes in relation to corporal punishment" I found several more articles that make similar points (including the WHO, IJP, and NIH). However I did find one website (parlia) that paints it in a better light saying it is a strong deterrent. I guess your sample group of one might not have enough weight. I was punished as a child and had developed a stealing habit and as well as a defiance problem later on in life. I have since acknowledged and resolved these issues. I know first hand that it aint so good.
Every time I hear this story I’m infuriated. How does a welfare check consist of merely speaking to a teenage boy who doesn’t live at the residence? They didn’t take into account anything the mother said, treating her as an over anxious, protective mother who probably didn’t have anything to worry about. I hope they lose sleep. We all know our loved ones, if she normally would not go without checking in AND nobody at the residence could be reached… huge red flag. How did they miss the crime scene, how?
Agreed.... taking a minor, non residents word instead of insisting on speaking to the owners?! Ridiculous. Smh not that it would have made much difference but that poor mother constantly calling and getting nowhere... my heart hurts for their families.
So I use to talk to razakel and sicktantic. They knew Sam and Emma and razakel and sicktanic. All talk to each. By the sicktanick and razakel are nice people just different. They played match maker. They regret ever doing this. Razakel said look this is just music and I'm going to do this for Emma and Mel. I use to listen to horrorcore and write lyrics it helps release anger. But I got bored of the music also needed to step away because if murder is all you listen too it does something to the brain. I step away I'll listen to it sometimes. Lot of it is to demonic and the fan base is different good and bad way mostly bad because it draws the weirdos
@@Hardhatreptiles95 it's a lot like Death Metal in those regards. It's a catharsis for 85% of it's fans, a fantasy to 10% and a lifestyle to the 5% that chase everyone *else* away from it. I AM glad to see various stylings & techniques from both break into other genres though
He didn't smell bad. This was the "emo goth grunge mix" era. Baby Oil to grease the hair. Axe Body spray. That's what he smelled like. I've met him. Didn't meet the girls but knew them well online through working with them.
I found the footage of Richard himself pretty enlightening. At first I thought it’s just a case of a put upon, shy, awkward boy who cracked it after one rejection too many but he looks completely insincere and devoid of remorse or even sorrow in his pre suicide video saying goodbye to his family and friends, he is basically smirking. Huge asshole
Thats one way to see it. My take on him was more like: His Voice was shacking. He was so full of adrenaline and most likely couldn't even comprehend what he really did. He broke in this moment. Like everything before is gone, he can never go back. After that, he went numb emotionaly. He knew, nothing he says is changing what he did and he knew he will get caught sooner or later, so he did what he wanted till this moment. And it's possible, that you get so shocked, you go emotionaly numb. His reason was most likely: he was so full of hate and abuse (he was abused by somebody in school or family) and wanted to escape. His escape was with this girl. But she didn't want him and he was "stuck" (in his mind at least) at their place. They most likely abused (verbaly) him. He couldn't flee from there and at some point he was so fed up with everything, that he couldn't handle it anymore (like one drop of water spills the glass). He NEEDED this to stop. They didn't stop till it was to late and he killed them. (than the video happened) Either the parents heard this and tryed to stop him or he waited for them to not get "discovered" sooner. Either way, they need to go. I dont try to defend him or anything. There is no reason to kill another human unless he killed first (i'm for the death sentence). You can say, he was an asshole for his last few free days, but before, he was a sad and helpless kid who only wanted someone else.
Who cares if people rejected him? Then ask out the chubby girls? I used to talk to nerds and introduce them to other nerds and many thought they were too good to hang out with someone unattractive. Never understood that mentality. I hung out with ugly interesting people. Now I’m an ugly interesting person myself!
@@nerdkartoffl9019 agree.she took the piss out of him like others did and he snapped.not defending him.but..theres only so much you can take when you've been bullied all your life .it's a very sad disturbing case .
As a parent- desperate times demand desperate actions. Police ignore, then I would tell them I'm going there and going in. Police would show up immediately.
Especially when they went through the house and he called because he was scared! How is such ignorance possible. In addition to the odor, 4 people were viciously k*lled and they don't notice? Unbelievable
Yeah I gotta say, if my daughter wants to invite some boy to our home to stay, that she only knows online, im saying no. Parents need to learn you do not have to go along with whatever your kids want. Look how misguided these kids were? No.
When faced with that decision, I bet some girls would try and secretly run off to meet them instead. Watch your kids man, when I have my own, I hope they’ll trust me enough to talk about stuff like this.
i agree. I think that Chad made a good point in saying that they might secretly run off. The hopeful point is that they would talk to you... but I think in this scenario, maybe they should have said at least let's all meet him first... and then try... he might have just killed them too. The police didn't seem helpful either. :(
In fairness, I did the same with a close friend who was from an abusive household. He's sitting next to me as I type this. He just got a job where I work and we hang out all the time. He was my first real friend who doesn't just use me, and he's said the same for me. It's not always bad. It's good to be careful, extremely important to be careful, in fact, but he's lived with me and my family for four months and we're both happy.
It syxks cause it probably wouldn't matter. Either they do it anyway behind the parents back or meet other crazy people not online. I want to over protect my sons but I know it makes them rebel like my dumb ass who could have gotten killed easy a few times. Pray for the youth
Yeah, lots of good info. I think it's very interesting his dad threw his mom out of the family home. That suggests his dad was abusive and possibly misogynistic. If he witnessed his father physically and verbally abusing his mother from childhood, it could shed some light on his violence to the three females in the house. Males who abuse female partners frequently had a father who was a domestic abuser, and grew up being influenced by him and disrespecting women as a result. Big Incel vibes from the killer. He was obviously enraged that Emma didn't find him attractive (huge arrogance he ever assumed she would - he was punching well above his weight and should have known it), and angry and humiliated that her friend and mother knew she'd given him the brush off. Males who abuse/kill females can't handle rejection. The chance of a woman being killed by her abusive partner rockets, as soon as she leaves him or even mentions she might leave him. This guy was surely a ticking time bomb. The fact he was 20 and pursuing an online relationship with a 16 year old girl he'd never met, speaks volumes about him. It's doubtful he'd ever had a serious relationship, so was pinning all his hopes on this 'virtual' girlfriend. Chances are he would always kill a woman when she rejected him.
They missed a lot of parts of the Story. I knew Sam for a few years, met him, ECT. I was the West Coast promoter for most of the Scene. They gathered REALLY good footage though. I hadn't seen the video of his room at 2:45, my name and handwriting is there "Hate". I was always more the business side, but I was also a similarly aged edgy teenager at the time.
There is no way the cops could miss the odor of decay. They either didn't feel like dealing with it and hoped it would take care of itself or maybe they had no sense of smell...baffling. Glad this lunatic is off the streets.
And what about the killers' wear full of gore and guts...? Damn how can the police miss that if he never took 'em off until he's arrested at the airport?
Do you mean that the cops where giving the guy time to clean so the scene wouldn’t be as bad or that they were giving him time to cover up the crime? The police department knew the victims mom was already concerned and was not giving up, so it’s hard to imagine the cops putting their careers on the line to help a random stranger get away. They would still have to handle the missing person cases even if the bodies were cleaned up or removed.
The people were dead already but yea, how they didn't smell it is bizarre. I do not think they smelled it, we cannot prove it. Why would they ignore it.
Also his appearance does match those of serial killers and mass murderers. Parents have to start understanding that tough love is still LOVE. You might feel like you’re being mean or your child won’t love you for being strict at the time but it will cost you if you don’t put your foot down. They thought it was just a phase, how the fuck. They’re writing their evil fucking master plans on the walls in their room like what more do you freaking need !!
@@Smeowtime Right, if I went to get my daughter, I wouldn’t have waited all day then driven 4 hrs back home. I’m sure they just couldn’t have fathomed this nightmare had occurred. Maybe they were more worried she’d ran away considering but yeah I’m like you, probably would’ve camped out at the PD.
How they were already dead nothing the cops could have done expect for arrest Him a day or 2 sooner..the officer I charge of the investigation of the Computer was my teacher in college
It wasn't an excuse. He was making a joke. He was quoting the Virginia Tech Shooter from 2007...back then a Rapper named Rotten Mouth in that scene made a song called "I had to", the song ends with the audio manifesto line from the shooter saying "I had to do it". That was one of Sam's favorite songs. Sam started out working with Wicked Intent Records/Radio. Rotten Mouth originally was in the crew I managed, B.B.N. (Bonded By Narcotics). He then switched to Wicked Intent when they started up. There's an insane amount of backstory I can give you that will make you understand it. For example, when he turns around walking into the Station and says "Jesus Made Me Do It"...that comment was made for ME and a handful of others because we joked that we should say that if we ever get caught for murder because everyone always says "the devil made me do it". The simple fact is that Sam saw his Fantasy Online Girlfriend break up with him. She was more influential in that scene than him, so he knew he was about to lose the entire group of friends when she went online talking about him. He couldn't handle all of that hitting him. That's what happened, and you can quote me on that as a source. The guy formerly known as [Hate] told you that.
I'm 2 seconds into this and he keeps saying "my mind just snaps... I'm so sorry" but he's acting like he's auditioning to be a model actor who just watched crime documentaries and heard about the sanity plea 🙄
Lmfao that’s the first thing I thought of when hearing him say that! I immediately rolled my eyes and had second hand embarrassment throughout his whole video.
My mom had a well check done on me when I was a teen. The police demanded to speak with me, took me aside, asked me if everything was alright. That's a proper welfare check. This was severe negligence.
I can't wrap my mind around the fact that her parents allowed their 16 year old daughter to carry on with a 20 year old stranger from across the country and facilitated the transition from the two being vague online acquaintances to him potentially becoming a more concrete/real influence in their daughters life IRL. Especially considering that her parents were only indulging Emma's interest in horror core and such in an attempt to ensure that at least she was safe throughout her rebellious forays. But in what universe does inviting a 20 year old strange man with obviously dark and bizarre interests to fly across the country and practically take up roost in your 16 year old daughters bedroom sound even remotely like an exercise in safety or harm reduction/damage control?
this was exactly what i thought - her dad drove there and waited for 8 hours, no one came, and he didn't go to the police? i would have barged into that house, damn the consequences. it's my kid.
I've watched Melanie's mum, sibling, Razakel & her boyfriend being interviewed, he didn't wait 8 hrs thats bs. I'll look it up, let you know what doc it was, think it might have been an episode on 'Evil Lives Here'. @@BooksandCookiesBooktalk
I thought the same thing, but remember that Emma’s father came to the house & was murdered. The other father would have been too, I’m sure Richard camped out with the weapon waiting for him to come in. So perhaps “something” told him not to barge in.
meeting someone you have only talked to online can make you feel differently about the person, the way you perceived them in your head how they will be in person does not always live up to what you were picturing
Cops: Horrible smell coming out of the house? Neighbor: yes, it smells like a dead body! Cops: Does it smell like Marijuana? Neighbor: Nooo. It smells like death! Cops: well we're at a loss here, call us back if you smell marijuana, well use all our resources to bring that criminal to justice then!
@@ms.doomer5623 down my street 5 years ago there was an RV parked at the end of the road for 3 days, it was an undercover police surveillance lab watching every move my neighbor made. They busted him with 2 plants. The police said they got a tip of a drug house that smelled of marijuana. He was growing for personal use with a valid medical card! His ex turned him in and side he was a major player on the west coast, they believed her, with absolutely no evidence but were able to stake out his house for 72 hours and got a search warrant when the sniffer dogs alerted to the smell of drugs coming from his shed. This operation cost tax payers $70,000. It shows where the priorities of the police department actual start and end.
@@ms.doomer5623 It takes about 3 days to smell a dead body from INSIDE....so don't blame the cops...If they bust down the door then you all complain...FACTS
I'm confused more than anything by the car crash story. He was driving without a license, crashed a car that wasn't his, it's 4:00 in the a.m., he reeks of death, and they issue him a summons and send him on his way?
My blood boils at how "idgaf" attitude the police had. The mother kept calling, being on top of everything, trying and trying relentlessly. Oh, the failure and the absolute lack of empathy of the police officer
As a parent if my daughter went missing and the only person I could get ahold of was the teen boy trying to get into her pants I am going to the house and going inside. I’ll take the punishment for unlawful entry into a home if things turn out to be different. What I wouldn’t do is drive two hours to pick her up, shrug my shoulders and drive home.
So if I hear someone write lyrics: The evil voices inside my head. They just want me to murder They want me to take lives on mass murder spree They love the smell of a body that’s rotten and decayed. Should just be looked over and not judged. Okay good to know… Question if you had a daughter and the boy she brought over wrote stuff like this. Would you want her hanging around him?
@@Area-5l Definitely not, and I'd be cautious making friends with someone like that. Point is that not everyone in certain bands is a murderer, you have to judge ppl individually.
@@Area-5l would I like it? No but teenagers are full of emotions and you can't blame a song for someone commiting a quadruple homicide. If you watch the programme about this case the band helped in everyway they could to find out wtf was going on and are actually pretty decent human beings and if you're wanting to go down the blame road why did the girls parents, one who was a Pastor, allow a boy they'd never met travel across the country to meet and stay with their underage daughter? Thats what I would of said a big massive No too.
They were very negligent. I've experienced a wellness check from a new friend - who wasn't quite accustomed to my depression-related mood swings - who overreacted. There were three or four cops who came through my door and searched around my home. One of them made me call my mother and then snatched the phone once she got on the line, and walked out to speak with her. So of course I don't understand the severe lack of police response in this story, because they were pretty thorough with me!
I hear you, my dad is well known for his erratic mental health and is known to go off radar a lot....but when he didn't check in on an important family event ( which he always does regardless) I called the police ASAP, and they went straight out to check on him....he was OK, just had a heavy depressive episode
They didn't meet until then. Dude definitely was more off putting in person. Dude literally watched an entire group of people shake my hand when leaving and decided to hug me instead. Those types of things.
It could have been repaired if he was taught at a young age to confront is problems and not bury them inside as I always tell my kid to always stand up for himself and never fear no1 but only god himself, also sports or martial arts is an amazing way to build self worth and confidence. ( I blame the parents if my kid started listening to that trash music i would be extremely worried that hes in a dark place mentally and something traumatic is happening in his life, how much more blatant does it have to be)
I mean yeah, in hindsight you can say that. To him, maybe he thought his daughter just wanted to stay longer and that they were out doing something. A parent wants to think that anything other than the worst happened. I would have walked around the house looking through the windows and calling the police if I got no answer.
@I_am_a_cat_ no way because people break into houses for less than that (that being a missing loved one), for money, valuables, copper wire, ain't no way in hell a trespassing or B&E charge would stop me from looking for my child. Especially considering the build up of events. And even if nothing is found, why drive all the way back home, why not get a hotel nearby? I cannot imagine not being near the last known location of my missing child. I lost my cat once in the woods in another state, luckily we got her back, but I was ready to stay behind on the trip over a cat lol
This child is so ridiculously clueless, he lashed out violently killing four people, says “fuck the world and everyone in it, I hate this place,” and then says “PEACE!”
Context is key. He’s not using “peace” in the sense of non-violence. He’s saying “peace” as in bye. Ironic yes, but in context it’s very typical to say bye this way within this age group especially.
He said "Peace" as in goodbye. People are brainwashed, it's no different than when someone says "god damnit" or "Jesus Christ" out of frustration even though they aren't necessarily religious, it's just that they grew up in western society dominated by Abrahamic religions such as Christianity so the phrases are etched into their subconscious minds. It's about as ironic as crying to God when you're in pain, even though you don't actually believe in him.
@@TheCnicus no YA’LL are missing the point. ‘peace out’ has been evolved to emptily and merely mean “see u later” when in reality it should be taken at face value. PEACE OUT means leave with love. So yes. it’s EXTREMELY ironic when you’re really thinking about the weight of the words we overlook everyday, because he will do everything but PEACE OUT when he rots off of this world.
" I had to do it, my mind just snapped" I dont believe a word of it. So unconvincing. Hes smiling when he says it. Funny I was bullied for my weight (o so much for my red hair) and glasses. I never murdered anyone, nor could I. And they way you describe what it feels like to be bullied, wow. You described exactly how I used to feel. I had over two decades of therapy for being bullied, molested and beaten. I still have anger but have learned control. I get loud and animated quickly when challenged, more as a defense (Im a big guy now) but I no longer back down from a confrontation, maybe even to my determent. But kill someone, even iin self defense... I dont have that in me.. Hurt or main even to protect myself maybe, never kill. Im glad he didnt hang himself to "face his consequences"
@Herbert West yeah I agree. Specially after she said she" loves him forever and always" and how her " insides feels squishy" and then treats him like that after he drove so far for love.
@@kittysplode so a lil bitch who lets his emotions turn him into a killer, is a real ass man? Haha funny shit. Or where you implying 'real ass nigers' means lil weak bois who are emotional?
It's crazy I met this dude. He did a rap track with my buddy who had a group called delirious. He was deffinitly a weird person. Next thing we know we see him on TV and found out what he did. Sat in a room with this p.o.s. makes you think about who is around you all the time.
I have sat in the same room as the person that murdered my father. Pretty intense situation considering I have his name tattooed on a bullet across my throat and an entire back piece that says “vengeance is mine” as a top and bottom rocker.
His video of "he lost it & tell his parents he's sorry". Look at his body language he can barely contain his smile or grinning. He"s in his glory & proud of his act.
@The Mandalorian I'd have to watch again to remember if there is blood or bot. My response was to the person claiming there was a whole nother human there.
It’s weird to me that the parents didn’t have any friends or colleagues or anyone questioning where they were. That they could be missing for days yet no one called the police? Like even Melanie’s mom was concerned they “dropped off the face of the earth” to later know they were dead inside that house and no one except Melanie’s mom was so very concerned is sad as well.
That's one of my favorite things about the Chandler Halderson stuff. His parents were so loved by their friends and coworkers they IMMEDIATELY went over to the house because they thought something was off.
I used to think it was ridiculous and then I hypnotized myself to endure natural child birth. What you listen to over and over and over can make an imprint on your mind. Especially if it encompasses other facets of life. It may for certain people of course not everyone.
So many questions with this case. Most notably his multiple run ins with the police while he was "caked in gore" and "smelled like the devil". How were officers able to navigate through the house without seeing any of the bloodshed and why on earth would he even makeup the dog/noise in the basement story? The officer at the scene of the car crash didn't notice anything amiss? It's 4:00 am and most likely very dark out so id imagine the officer would have had his flashlight on the kid at some point. I understand there's such a thing as negligence but there is something extremely off/sinister with this one
I was a huge fan of horrorcore when I was young, I remember when this case came to light a lot of the horrorcore artist had memorials for the victims. It was such a sad day, can't believe the way the police handled this case.
the horrocore artists took advantage of the situation and only cared about being on tv because thats the most attention they ever had. i know because i was a part of it. fuck them. rip to those girls.
@@cemoihonay not being racist but white people are weird. What is interesting in horrorcore? I really think white people are crazy😂 Most of serial killers are white, Most twisted cases involve them, etc. They claim it's hard life and too much stress but we are stressed on daily basis yet we don't do that kind of shit.
It’s happened to so many of us. You meet someone online and you actually fall for them but it’s the image that you yourself have created of them. We project traits onto someone we don’t quite know yet but more what we want them to be like. It’s all online or on the phone so it’s easy to do. Then you meet them. It can go one of two ways. The spark intensifies or it’s nothing at all like you have built up in your mind. Then you find yourself repulsed. It’s happen to me. I totally get it. But she didn’t get out alive. Poor girl. Folks like me learned the pitfalls of meeting someone online and building up a false narrative. We learned the lesson and moved on to make better choices. This poor girl never got to do that. Makes me sad
Yeah but if you had the same experience I had it's fuckin aggravating. Obviously I can handle rejection a lot better than this kid lol but I've been in online relationships as an ugly dude. I've straight told girls I was ugly and told them the pictures I was showing them were obviously my best pictures. Not a total catfish but no one puts up their super ugly pics. Every time I got "noooo omg you're so cute I don't care about looks" then you meet them and they totally care about looks. Then you go from cute to "creepy" that's why I just always took it super slow and even if someone got attached to me I didn't get attached to them. Girls care about looks. Stop pretending you don't. You just look that much more shallow when it happens.
Not to put the blame on the parents, but no way would I let a 20 year old sleep over with my 16 year old daughter. Even though it's only a 4 year difference, there's quite a big difference in maturity from being a sophomore in highschool to a sophomore in college.
@@direktive4 I am sure that it is intense. Even a person that drinks caffeinated beverages struggle with some withdrawals. Shaking, diarrhea, Confusion, irritability, fatigue, ect. And it appears that he enjoyed energy drinks quite often and being a heavy drinker of them. I can practically guarantee you that he experienced some intense withdrawals. Is it factual that he did not have any energy drinks while he was there?..
Just gotta wonder- how bad was the personal hygiene of the officers who kept going to the house that they couldn't small the rancid cadavers that all the neighbors smelled from farther away?
I would say the cops didn't really care, I don't see how they could do multiple welfare checkups not see the people they went there to check up on and think "nah nothing suspicious is going on"
This is the first time I've ever heard of a such a half-assed welfare check. Having lived with the young adult subject of one, I can tell you they typically refuse to leave until they get some sort of first hand evidence that the person is alive & well. An officer actually sat there with me while his partner went to hunt her down. It took a freaking hour, but they didn't stop until one of them actually *saw* her. The one that waited w me really sucked at poker btw...
I'm surprised how many comments are just anger at the (admittedly) poor police work, and very few pointing to the subject matter that brought all these people together and clearly in a sense animated the killers inner life. I'm not denying that the whole horrorcore thing is a fad and a cringy one at that, for likely most of its listener base. But when people who listen to satanic music about slaughtering people, and make that genre a sort of cornerstone of their social life, I feel like it's not unreasonable to point it out when they become real life lyrics to one of their awful songs, if that makes any sense. Also I would say the father really dropped the ball allowing that in his home, blaspheming Christ on the bathroom walls and what not. There's a place to acknowledge youthful boundary pushing and a place to put your foot down.
@@DvidTheGnome You can just ram that stupidity.people have been blaming music, books and "loss of God" for crime since they made Socrates take that last bath with a cup of hemlock. It's stupid and counterproductive. It's also been proven to be bullshit multiple times, as what little behavioral effect it actually has wears of after about an in kids and 5-10 minutes in adults in multiple studies since the late 60's
@@nicholashodges201 Yes, people often have that kneejerk response you've just given me. It gets less and less convincing as every year goes by. I can't actually believe it was ever convincing. Like listening to satanic music about slaughtering people and hating God, will not have marked effects on people significantly different and less desirable than should a person choose to listen to more edifying music and believe in God. You could also easily scale this up society wide, but then you are in danger of flirting with social conservatism, and I know that's unacceptable to a certain type of person. The kind who gets emotional over the idea that media has both immediate and lasting effects on people and populations. I can tell you are a liberal, so I'll not bother you any more. Good luck with that.
His sister saying that “he wouldn’t even kill a spider” doesn’t really have any backing because lots of people are scared of spiders, doesn’t mean they won’t hurt people lol
Ehh it sorta does, it usually means that they're really not capable of harming even something everyone would be fine with harming, I wouldn't say spider for that reason but I would say that it does have some level of backing.
@@TuberoseKisser Lol I’m talking from personal experience here, I had an ex who I realized was similar to this guy as I watched. My ex was insanely violent, got in fights (was suspended a lot in school) and had a similar mindset to this guy. He was also very abusive. But let me tell you, he had a severe hatred for spiders. Whenever I was at his house he would actually start crying and ask me to kill it for him because he was THAT scared of them. He wouldn’t even go in the same room as a spider😂 So imo, it has absolutely no backing. If you have a personal experience or etc I’d be glad to hear, but speculation doesn’t do it for me when Ive met people like that 👍🏼 Edit: Forgot to add he glorified people like the columbine shooters. Not to mention I found out later in the relationship he would shoot animals with a bb gun for fun 😑 that’s not all but yeah ....a dislike of spiders has nothing to do with hurting animals or humans. And for anyone wondering he wasn’t violent toward me and I thought he was misunderstood and hurt, so I stayed with him but eventually left lmao
I think she meant like “he wouldn’t even kill a spider for me” meaning like he wouldn’t do stuff for her or anything so why was he saying I love you so she knew something was up if that makes sense
months after the first time i watched this video, it still haunts me. It brings back weird nostalgia for the times of early social media and my budding social life in the early 2000s, and there's an odd sense of familiarity to the beginning events in this story, i can't quite place it. I was carbon cop of McCroskey at that age, during that same time period. My personality, my disposition, and my desperation to be cool and accepted, and noticed by the opposite sex. Obviously he and i took separate paths in life. This story is just so sad, and sickening.
I feel you. I was overweight, wore baggy clothes and desperately wanted to be accepted by girls. I also took weird angle photographs that didnt show my weight. Played music that went hard to mask my insecurities. That part about him meeting Emma for the first time and her being turned off by his appearance... yikes that hit home. All of it was sickeningly relatable emotions. But this guy took it to a whole another level...
I think most teens go through this. When you don’t fit in with the real popular kids like I didn’t, you adopt other ways to exist. And find some other people like you. Thing is most of us grow out of this. But some grow very dark. They end up here.
the wildest part of this video is that, even after everything, when they knew he had horrifically murdered several people, they didnt even handcuff him when they found him. this has got to be the second least competent police department after uvalde.
Believe it or not if you comply with police and do what they say they tend to be pretty cool with you. Whereas if you start resisting arrest and being belligerent they will probably f*** you up... Source: I've been arrested half a dozen times
The Most incompetent police department was that of Spring Lake, NC. The entire department was fired and for a couple years only two sheriff's patrolled the city.
Seems like she was desperately looking for some kind of affection and had issues herself. Lots of young woman in america are emotional rollercoasters and can act like they're in love with someone one day and then hate them the next without even a word being said to them. It's scary how some never even meet a person before sending messages like that to them. Great way to gain stalkers.
They said she was put off by his shyness and physical appearance. In other words her panties dried up real quick when she got a good look at the pale 5'5 beta ginger who was a bit too doughy for her taste. Not the chiseled edgelord he played on the internet.
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Wow. Imagine having to make several calls to the police to help make sure your daughter is okay. They don’t do their job several times in a row and the person on the phone tries to make you feel like you’re worried for nothing and says call again later. You call again and again and they arrive the day after you call. Wow great job. One of the absolute worst cases I’ve seen when it comes to the police doing their job. That’s just sad. I hope some people got fired and/or they made actual trainings because of this. Like bruh it’s literally your job to make sure people are okay. They repeatedly refused to do their job lmao. This whole case is sad and messed up. I hope their families have found some peace somehow..
Imagine doing nothing but waiting on the cops over and over again because you think that surely you must possess some type of "specialness" (perhaps being a member of a privileged class?) that will inoculate you from LE apathy and incompetence.
What kind of preacher let's this kind of satanic trash in his house...and the mother had a PHD in Criminology and she didn't see issues with any of this?
It should be the police's job to make sure people are okay, but it isn't. The Supreme Court ruled multiple times back in the 80s that the police have no specific duty to protect you, even when they know you are under threat from a known offender. In 2020, the SC ruled that police cannot be held liable for failure to act during an active school shooting after the Parkland murders, so it's unlikely that any future event is going to unpick that anytime soon. The motto "To Protect and Serve" isn't backed up by anything.
I am a horror writer and often visit the dark corners of my mind. Despite this I feel no urge to kill anyone for real. I used to play guitar in a black metal band and none of us ever became disturbed killers. But I guess it's always nice to blame ones shortcomings on something, taking responsibility is simply too much for a sicky like this.
Morbid curiosity is what brings us all here. There's a thrill to listening, creating, and expressing dark and disturbing art. Especially in a way that we know we will not be victims nor perpetrators. But acting on a crime like this is beyond the illusion of art entirely.
@GodNotReal (In general) there are people who admit to crimes like murder they didn’t commit as an attempt to get attention, it can be caused by lack of attention from family members or friends in childhood, it could start as destructive behavior (breaking toys, bullying siblings or classmates etc) and form into more violent behaviors as they get older (harm to themselves, siblings, animals etc) and in some cases it goes further over the edge ie breaking and entering, armed robbing and sometimes murder, some that can’t bring themselves to actually commit murder could admit to unsolved crimes to get attention whether it’s positive or negative
So, you influence people with low vibrational energies and then pass on all responsibility for your actions. It's about time you took some responisibility for your own actions. Your actions influence others.
Dude put all this hope into a girl he never met in person and apparently built up a fantasy in his head and when she saw him and wasn't attracted to him and he realized it was never to be he kills her and everyone else in that house and then the father....
No. Partially right, but no. She got the Ick. Withdrew. He ended up making out with a girl at the Show where he got the hickeys. She found out. The girls got mean instead of cold shoulder. It got tense the way back and while at the house. The girls were messaging others in the scene about it. I didn't get any because that's things girls say. But it was getting around a bit. He snapped over that humiliation and saw himself losing his reputation in the scene. All of that built up and snap. Pop goes the weasel. I knew everyone involved except for the parents. I was heavily involved in that music scene.
It is RIDICULOUS that it took THAT many calls for the police to even investigate AT ALL. Also, how did the police not realize what happened when Richard called to have the basement checked out? That odor is unmistakable... If they had entered that house like they said, I don't know how they didn't notice it... I have so many questions.
@@eccehomosexual - Listening to him talk, he sounds like he could've upped his body count. To leave a psychopath to his own devices is never a good thing.
He brings up a valid point, How could the police officers who responded to the welfare check, not notice the overwhealming stench of something dead? My Lord the neighbors could smell it from 3 blocks away??? If it was strong enough to bother neighbors down the street. The smell must've been enough to make someone gag inside the house. I just can't comprehend how you could not notice & leave on multiple occasions. I'm sorry to be so morbid. These people didn't deserve to die like this. May God have mercy on them all. RIP.
That poor woman that was so worried about her daughter got a knock on her door and I can't imagine her reaction. She knew something was wrong, but she was trying to hold it together and not over react.
I believe the bands lead singer Razz called her before the news broke & was unfortunately the first one to tell her /: she said she’ll never forget the moms sobs it’s heartbreaking
RIP to all involved..... especially Mel. This case hit close, because I am friends with Melanie's brother Alex. I remember hanging out with her at their house. She was such an awesome kind hearted person. I remember this like it was yesterday.......
@@FlameFlickers yeah she is. Understandably the whole thing took a heavy toll on her. She has never been the same. She still blames herself for the death of the father.
@@stephenrobinson8721 Well she shouldn't. It's highly likely the father would have gone to check the house anyway because he would have been wondering why he couldn't get in contact with his wife or daughter. There is only one person responsible for all the deaths and that's the cowardly sack of shit that's rotting in prison.
@@ordissays6847 it was for entertainment...just like you watch horror movies for entertainment so was the music and a way to cope with negative feelings. Nobody deserves to be killed in their sleep with a heavy wood spiliting maul to the head....
Thank you for addressing the subculture background in the case so well. Too many true crime creators go on about how teenage killers were into xyz music/makeup, as if a solid half of people were not alternative in some way at that age. I understand why somebody with very deep psychological issues and/or potential for violence would gravitate towards certain subcultures, but an overwhelming majority of emos/goths/metalheads/whatever are totally nice and nonviolent.
Right, but when it's a genre that glorifies murder and the people involved openly talk about death, graves, murder, go desecrating graves...I mean come on. I know a lot of it is just pretend but at some point it IS what it IS.
You can try to defend it but they were going around desecrating graves mocking other people's beliefs and openly hurting themselves with drugs and prob self harm in other forms. I'm a metal head and was a goth back in the day and 90% of the people into the same stuff just like me lost a parent or went through divorce and a lot of these people arent ok and hide their own feelings and lash out against the world in very destructive ways like it or not but these type of interest are massive red flags.
Qualified immunity equals being too lazy to do a factual wellfare check. How can anyone miss that smell .Very disappointing actions on the authorities part. Every one with a childhood like Richard does not turn into mass murderer . Most people actually grow up.
You wouldnt say this if richsrd was a women. Its always grow up, its nothing ect when its a man but women like him get tons of symapathy from you hypocrites
As a parent I cannot fathom a scenario where I would let a online friend sleep over my house at the request of my 16 year old daughter. Bad decision making here.
