Were there several pictures that were targeted at their privates? I guess even a single picture focusing on their parts would be atrocious… I’m just thinking of the pictures parents can sometimes take of kids running around naked being silly or whatever.
@peterpaul9644 They weren't those types of pictures. They were the kind that no one should take or look at.They were the type of pictures that would have sent who ever took them to prison.
Exactly. I got the impression that Lyle the oldest was sociopathic. 18 and 21 years are huge developmental life transitions. K and Jose wouldn't let them make life choices, didn't encourage their career interests, didn't validate their feelings. Jose was in boarding school. He was totally supported by his father also driven by his father, possibly abused. Jose might have been a sociopath himself. Many people expelled from Cuba were mob associated. Organized crime owned Cuba before the revolution. It's very possible that Jose was also corrupted along the way or forced to associated with them. Leave it to Jose and Kitty to find a corrupt therapist for the boys. Confidentiality has professional ethical limitations. You can't fail to report a crime. In fact, the boys could likely have been diagnosed as oppositional defiant and conduct disordered youth. Eric could have been considered sociopathic. But on top of that they suffered from traumatic abuse. That should have been a sentencing mitigation factor if not reducing the conviction to manslaughter.
@@SeanF-m4bas opposed to who? In the original trial there were 50+ people who were able to corroborate the brothers stories about how awful their parents were, from teachers who hadn’t seen them for years and had no loyalty to them to actual family members who witnessed moments of abuse. Yet not 1 person could be found to say otherwise.
Let’s just say they were bad parents they did not deserve to be murdered in cold blood they gave there kids everything 😂 literally bought the son an apartment before they were murdered! Those two rats 🐀 need to stay in jail… think there slick with there lies … there devils
I've watched the whole series and the two actors who played the brothers were excellent, but Ryan Murphy created a different story. Today I've did my research directly and in the REAL trial a few family members said that some abuse was happening. Also last year or lil before , a former Menudo member, Roy Rosselló, has said that Jose Menendez, then an executive at RCA Records (which signed Menudo to a multimillion-dollar contract), raped him as well, in the family’s New Jersey home.
It's sad bc back in this time people didn't think or care about what happened to little boys, it still kind of like this way. We gotta protect all children regardless of what gender they are.
Not only they're Innocent. They didn't get a fair trial. They should be released ASAP and in my opinion, they should sue anyone involved in their many years of incarceration for Billions
@@Djkdarg due to years of abuse and feelings of being trapped and threats and ultimately self defense. A lot of cold blooded killers get less time. Even if 1% chance they did it for money and everything else is BS, which I highly doubt, there's too many people and witnesses that agree with the brothers and at least 1 of the members from the popular Spanish boy band Menudo in the recent documentary I saw of him regarding the 2 brothers has very vivid memories of their Dad and how manipulative and sneaky and ultimately evil he was. He has no horse in this race. It would make no sense for him to make stuff like this up. Plus people close to the Menendezes always say how their dad had so many enemies. And just looking deep into their dad's face and eyes, one can tell this guy was sketchy af. You can't hide your aura and your vibe, no matter who you are. My point is even if it was for money they still did their time and should be paroled.
IMO, they should be released from prison. Those guys were tortured all during their childhood and their heads were screwed up when they murdered their parents. Their dad was a sick sexual predator who abused his sons and others and their mom went along with the sick situation. DISGUSTING.
Literally one of the saddest stories ever. You can tell 100% they're telling the truth. That kind of emotion can't be faked. They shouldn't be in prison. If Gypsy Rose can be out so can they. Ive never felt more sorry for two kids. Their parents were the definition lf evil. Literally possessed by the freaking devil himself.
Gypsy didn’t actually commit the murder, I agree its a sad story but they planned the killing, carried it out and then lied about it for months and spent their parents fortune until they were caught. The things they did after sealed their fate.
@@TeezyTattoos just as Gypsy planned the killing, manipulated a mentally ill boy to carry it out. Then went to a hotel room with her boyfriend on a "honeymoon" of sorts. She also lied about it until she knew she was caught. There's literally no difference.
Unfortunately that was coached crying. Lyle admitted he faked those tears on a phone call and that's why he didn't take the stand for the second trial. He incriminated himself.
Horrible story, I can't stop thinking of those kids who have been abused and no one believes them or help them. The murderer is awful too, but definitely there was something more there.
This was very well put together 👍. I always felt that it was manslaughter. I believe they were s abused and used 💯. Eric reacted so real when it was over(his parents death) by trying to bang his head on that tree like he couldn't believe things went that way for him and Lyle leading up to their parents death😢. He hated it all so much that he had to tell the therapist to get it off his chest and same with lyle. Such misery and Sodom and Gomorrah😢. I hope they can get outta prison now they,ve served their time. Way too much s abuse went on in Cali in the movie/music industry back then😢. Thank You for covering their case❤.
Where the hell was this letter from Andy, their cousin, the whole time they were going to trial ? Now he wants to bring up the letter after they’ve already served 34 years 🙄 I don’t understand these ppl, why were they holding back on evidence and the other guy from the Puerto Rican band why didn’t he talk up and say something a long time ago. Smh it could’ve the boys case smh 🤦🏾♀️
For me I don't believe the abuse excuse. That said I also don't believe they were in imminent fear. They were 21 and 18. They could leave if they wanted to. However as neither of them had an income, leaving would leave them pretty homeless. If you lose a relative your immediate response is not to buy a Rolex
@littlefruitster2667 of course no one deserves to die. But if you abuse a child sexually that will eventually come back and bite ya in the ass. If the parents could have kept their sexual fantasies away from the children maybe the parents would still be alive. And if the pics that were found were found today the brothers would have gotten manslaughter just from the pictures they found of them as children. But the prosecution said "men can't be ra*e cuz they lack the necessary equipment" so that must be true right? So if you belive the prosecution I hope you belive in everything the prosecution says. Which means you don't belive men can be sexually assaulted. Hope you have a fine day with that.
@@shellbacksclub well no, that tape you are referring to - which he never gave consent to have recorded btw - he said no such thing actually which is why it’s barely ever brought up.
If they lied about one thing why is it so far fetched that they can lie about other things?.. if the abuse was true they would said to begin with and not lie and pay people and family to lie for them.
@@lexboogie2 well no bc that’s not how ppl who were abused victims operate especially those who have been abused their whole lives. They don’t just blurt it out and tell ppl it takes a long time for abuse victims especially those who have been sexually abused to come out and speak about it. Pick up a book
@angrylittlemissred oh so I guess they just take a shot gun and blow their own parents face off at close range huh?..... Or do they go on a spending spree spending almost a million dollars on BS cause it was soo" Difficult " or do they go around their family and friends and try to pay them off to say things that wasn't true? I think you need to get a clue and shut up.
I believe them on the sexual abuse, the mother looks slow mentally and Jose is better looking then her, I think she knew and allowed it to keep him in the home, but I think money was the reason for the killing. I think Jose was leaving the mother as he was already having multiple affairs which means he would remarry and they would lose financially
It’s disturbing to think what more evidence do you need it seems as though u would have to get a recording of your abuser to say they are abusing you , and still probably wouldn’t be good enough 🤯
The thing that always bothered me about this is why didn’t Lyle and Erik put the same effort they put in plotting and killing their parents into seeking help for the horrific abuse they claim they suffered for years? Why come up with an alibi if your reason for doing the murder was self defense? Last time I checked you didn’t need to lie about defending yourself. These are two people that grew up in wealth and privilege that a lot of us will never experience, but yet they never tried to get help. They burglarized other peoples homes for the fun of it and never did any time for it because of their dad paying people off. They were spoiled and used to getting away with things and thought they would get away with this. People forget they started seeing Dr Oziel right after getting caught for the robberies, and they never brought up abuse in those sessions. They only brought the abuse up when they got caught for the murders. The actions and lengths they took after the murders makes it really hard to believe they were abused and that they had no other choice but to kill their parents.
They never would have gotten help because of the shame it takes for many victims to report rape especially men. Some people believe males can't be raped or at least if they do then it's because they are gay. Plus there father brought them up to suck it up like men and not be a weak pussy. Not my beliefs but if all the reports are true it's the nature of that family and those times. Yes they were privileged with silver spoons but they also had zero life skills and were also taught that only strong elite men live by their kind of lifestyle and that the only way for success is to lie, cheat and steal. It was what they were taught to live by. I don't agree but I was fortunate to be brought up with morals, I don't think they were
Agreed with OP. I'd go a bit further, it was in fact an "abuse excuse". None of the abuse nonsense was an issue until their defense attorneys came into the fray. If you take a step back and look at the entirety of the actions of the brothers - you can see they did exactly what they were accused of (1st degree murder for $). My only question in this case is who came up with the idea? Was it Lyle or Erik?
@@ledzep310 Well if I had to choose it would definitely be Erik. I say this because he seemed smarter and more calculated than Lyle, he came up with that script about killing the parents and they definitely seemed to go with his playbook when they carried out the act. Lyle seems like he jumps into things head first without thinking things through, his failed restaurant business being the example. I always felt like Erik was the brains of the duo.
@@tijadusenbery1877 Hi, thanks for the response. Yes, agreed once again. Erik is much brighter than Lyle. The only reason I would think Lyle masterminded it and brought Erik into it is the older brother thing. Erik, from what I've read, did look up to Lyle. It could go either way as to who was behind the killings. If I had to bet, I think I would bet on Lyle - Erik was so young at the time. Plus Lyle is so cold. A manipulative sociopath. He has the right mental framework to decide it was ok to kill his parents. Unfortunately we will never know the truth. BOTH of them are endless liars. Plus they both live in a fantasy world. IOW - at this point, even if one of them did say "Yeah, I masterminded it!" - I'd question whether he was telling the truth. Lastly, I congratulate you on seeing thru the BS. 2 trials, 6 years, they spent even more money on legal fees than OJ - and still, they couldn't walk. In fact, they ended up with the worst outcome possible.
Well if you watched the case you would know that the therapist who talked to both Eric in Lyle said that it took numerous sessions for Eric to even talk about what their father had done to them. If you know anything about abuse, trauma and conditioning you would know that coming out to speak about what you went through is a very difficult thing to do. When they did come out and say what they had went through they were shamed especially at a time like this where the knowledge was very limited about this topic.They were examined by numerous psychologists and they all said the same things about these boys in that they were abused. There are even records of Eric having the scaring of what is typically found in children who are forced to have oral sex. Scaring that dentists are permitted to now look out for. There’s just too much evidence here to deny that they were sexually abused. There’s a mountain of evidence that it did happen including multiple witness testimony from literal family members who were told it by Eric and Lyle when they were children. There was even a written letter addressed to a cousin ( who Eric confessed to about being molested by his father) where Eric states that he was still being sexual abused by his father and how he was scared of him bc his father was crazy and he couldn’t say no. Nobody who doesn’t believe the boys can find any evidence that the abuse never happened. The ppl that knew their father don’t even have good things to say about the man. He was a horrible person who abused and terrorized his own children.
i believe that they were abused. from what i had read, and watched to do with the case and the parents. they seems extremely obsessed with their image. I believe the brothers should be released. If gypsy rose blanchard can be released then the brothers should be as well. It is not far. They deserve freedom. Ive just finished watching the netflix series and i think it was brilliant showing what the brothers went through.
They had the age and a big body both. . To run and work for themselves didn't have kill their parents.please . but they had to live in East LA and much money but free (not much money I mean)) they were adult men no teenagers
I believe their father did sexually abuse them, but the murders were premeditated. In my opinion Lyle and Erik are psychopaths and a danger to society.
They’re very much rehabilitated and the 30+ years they’ve served has been more than enough. They’re very active members of the prison community, they’ve held clubs for victims of child abuse, help trained guide dogs, Lyle recently got a degree. There’s a rapper called x-raided who recently got out of prison thanks to the help of the brothers he even called them his “mentors” and speaks very highly of them. There’s a podcast somewhere on RU-vid if you want to hear a what he has to say about them firsthand. Most psychopaths would not go out of their way to help people like this if they knew they’d be spending the rest of their days in prison and that they have nothing to lose.
They belong in prison. They wanted the money. The whole story about their dad touching them was the last straw for them to try to look innocent. They sure weren't sad spending that money!!
Okay then how do you explain the naked and disturbing pics of the boys taken by the father. A member of menudo came forward and said he was in fact raped by the father. Many family members testified that he was a possessive man with a bad temper. Unfortunately much of this was suppressed in the second trial. The docuseries left out so much and was not true
@@janiegomez7068 exactly people forget their intent was to get away with murder. As soon as you say you don’t believe them folks in the comments come at you with all the rape and abuse but have zero to say about their actions after they committed the murders. The abuse never would have been a talking point had they not been caught, how do you claim self defense when your goal was to get away with killing your parents? It was never to get rid of their abusers because it would have been no need to lie about it.
Ya they were Tortured!? Why are they still in there?? I don't understand why they didn't get manslaughter but the defence said it's always been about manslaughter but they are in prison for murder!? Doesn't make sense!! They Served their time and Over That now I'm jail and I Can't Imagine their while Lives with their parents Wow!! I believed them the second the video showed how excruciating it was for them to talk about!? The second trial even had their cousin but said he was a liar?? Did they set them up?? They're way past their time in jail and the torture from their childhood.. Leave them in Peace and Get Them Out Wow this is Awful all the way around it💔🙏
I agree. Back then, the males on that jury believed males can't be raped and there is a misconception that if abuse it true people report it straight away but victims of rape feel a lot of shame which is why not everyone reports, many wait sometimes weeks, months, years to report and men report less. Plus the men of the jury didn't like the woman lawyer that represented the Menendez brothers, not sure why, maybe because she was a tough woman or sexist views, one can only speculate
how could you explain the photos then? or the cousins that confirmed it? also it’s clear when people break down over sexual abuse, it’s not easy to fake especially if you’re familiar with true crime cases-i believe they are innocent and reveled n the power of k wording the people that made their life so hard
So you’re basically now basing your opinion on the last 20 min of the last episode of the series. lol One of the band members of menudo came forward and said he was abused by the father. Also, naked and disturbing pics were taken of the boys when they were young. Also, many family and friends said he was a possessive man with a bad temper. There were so many things that were suppressed during the second trial.
They were abused and they told their cousins when they were little, no one helped those boys. So sad. Now a Menudo band member claims he was molested by Their dad as well. No wonder that band had to be under 16.
Even if the abuse did occur, which I believe it did, it still doesn't justify their decision to commit murder. At the time of the shootings, I don't think their lives were in immediate danger. Their behavior on the boat trip seemed normal, and no one at the fishing trip noticed anything unusual. What really stands out to me is their wild spending after the murders. If their parents had caused them so much pain, why would they even want to touch that money in the first place, they seemed happy spending the money, which raises doubts. I don’t believe the parents would have ever killed their sons, especially considering how well-known they were. If they did, who would inherit all their fortune? You don't put in so much effort to raise your sons to be successful just to end up killing them. It doesn’t add up. I believe Leslie got caught up in the abuse narrative, though I do think she did a terrific job defending Eric. Having watched every episode, documentary, and the Court TV coverage, I tend to believe the family and friends who testified. In my view, their mother was equally to blame. What puzzles me, however, is why Eric didn’t bring up the abuse earlier, especially since it was at the heart of all the trouble he had ever been involved in. It seems odd that he confessed to the murders before mentioning the abuse, which was supposedly the driving factor behind everything. I do have sympathy for the boys, as I can't begin to imagine how horrific the abuse must have been for them to endure. I believe that kind of trauma can change how someone thinks and reacts. However, I still think they could have found a better way to deal with the situation rather than resorting to murder. There had to be other options available to them.
Based on what was said in this video, the father seemed controlling and abusive, so he could have used the finances as a means of control, either through withholding it or telling them what to do with it, which could or could not have been to their interest. The wild spending would then not seem too unusual if that was the case, erratic and callous yes, but not unusual. It's like if you keep a dog in a cage too long, it will probably run every where, and bark at everybody and everything. Confessing to the murder before the abuse, is not that odd either, if you were at the police station going to turn yourself in, you will present them with information that they are supposed to know so that they can carry out whatever needs to be carried out, and then as things progress you will begin to unpack the why's. And it was the 80s. Not a very popular time period to speak about abuse and mental health. I think we only started to prioritize or spoke openly about it quite recently
I'm a 26 year old woman, and it saddens me that so called "adults" like you don't have any empathy or compassion towards victims, and it's so nauseating to see how passionately you guys defend a ra pi st and his accomplice. People who wilfully shut their eyes and minds to 50+ witnesses and mountains of evidences are actually fit for being labelled as "ignorant".
Also, for those of you who say they couldn’t possibly fake their emotions on the stand during the trial, they faked emotion while lying during the 911 call to the cops and when Eric called his tennis coach. So, yes I believe it’s possible to fake emotion
I hate they way everyone is on here making excuses for why these 2 killed their parents. I do believe there was abuse in the home but clearly before and after the crime they plotted this. They plotted to purchase weapons, plotted their alibi, plotted to lie to police about who killed their parents. Then while on trial tried to pay family and friends to lie for them. If they would have been honest about everything from the jump they wouldn’t be where they are. No one believed them because of what came out their mouths and what they did after the murders. They confessed to murder so how if tf are the not guilty. No I don’t believe they should be in jail for life bc I don’t feel they are a harm to anyone else in society but the overkilling of their abusers who was also their parents deserved justice. The same justice their parents might have received had they reported them. This was not in defense this was a planned attack. Thats why they were convicted so please stop saying they’re innocent when they confessed. Say you want to help free them because the sentence wasn’t deserved because of the circumstances behind the killings but Please Please Stop With The They’re Innocent! Especially, when these same rich kids was caught breaking in their own neighbors homes stealing what wasn’t theirs and selling their stuff to keep up their lifestyle when the parents would punish them. Far from innocent!
I just finished watching Netflix and couldn’t help burst into tears during the scene when Lyle and Erik told Leslie what they have been through all this time 😭 It really breaks my heart to imagine all the disgusting evil things their Father had done to them. IMHO, they should be released from jail and be given therapy/psychiatric assistance. They’re THE VICTIM.
It’s very obvious with all the evidence that these brothers are INNOCENT!!! They were abused, afraid, alone and needed the abuse to stop! I believe if their parents were still alive they would both still be predators and abusive people! These brothers were abused since they were children and that changes everything in a child’s mind, it will cause so much damage and Lyle and Erik already have suffered enough for more than a million lifetimes. Please set them free!! They deserve a chance to be free & happy!!!
It’s tragic these poor kids w monsters for parents-I pray GOD for their justice. Let this to be known by all children who are experiencing abuse that they need to let friends know so later they will have proof.
I believe that what these two men went through as children/teens made them victims. They acted in self defense, and should be released from prison. They have suffered enough.
Does everyone forget they killed the mom too? 1st degree. Dad sounds like a POS and maybe the mom wasn’t all there but she didn’t deserve to die like that.
I seen them in L.A. county jail in 1995 in line up, Both brothers looked at me and gave me the head up tilt "Whats Up" I did the same..... I said to myself those the brothers who killed their parents....I said oh well and mind my own business
They killed their parents in cold blood, so there’s no way they can defend themselves. These two brothers were adults when they murdered their parents. They were free to leave home and could have pressed charges against their parents instead.
Bs why are they in jail such bs there father and mother got what came to them his mother for looking the other way not paying attention to sexaul abuse
FREE these brothers!!! This man pain on the stand while saying his dad sexually assaulted him is NOT made up/FAKE! The father was a SICKO/WEIRDO!!!😡😫🙏🏻
