The Diving Debate - Jamie Carragher, Howard Webb & Gary Neville discuss the act of simulation 

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Yeah I really really like the point that he raised there. One of the most recent example that I can think of was when Sterling gets pushed by Walker. If Sterling went down before taking a shot, he'll have a bigger chance of getting a penalty. But because he didn't, ref waves play on.

@Sheep Shagger He is raising a good point. Obviously we would all like it if there was honesty in the game. But look at it from this angle: U got fouled and the ball goes away from you. So the defender robbed u from a clear chance on goal. It's a penalty by the book but u know that the ref most likely wont give u a pen unless u fall down. U are gonna fall. It's a pen anyway and u know he wont give it even though he should. If the refs dont get better at giving those pens then u get why the player would fall. That obviously doesn't mean that u should fall down with no contact. But if it's a pen by the book then u often have to fall down for the ref to give it. Same thing with Welbeck against United. Had he stayed down and rolled around he would have probably had a better chance of getting the pen. But he was honest and got up quickly even though it should have been a pen. Often the refs react to the players reaction. It's a catch 22.

Im with you all the way. They could sort this out if they really want to. It doesnt need a phd or a panel of philosophers. Cheating is against the rules. A worthy and meaningful punishment will suffice. Multiple cameras at every top game covers all incidents and can be used t o determine cheating. Thevtop flight sets the standards for all levels of football yo grassroots. Over time the cheating will stop and that standard will filter down to the lower levels irrespective of whether they have video evidence. Clean up the game of cheats.

I have been saying retrospective action is needed for years! regardless of if the ref dealt with it at the time or not, it should be a fairly long ban and a hefty fine! The people who do it should be ridiculed and belittled until they understand what they done was wrong! It is the foreign influx of players that has made it almost part of the game, it needs to be stamped out!

FIFA have agreements with newspapers from around the world

I don't know why this isn't done. This would soon eradicate diving and cheating if every instance was caught and punished.

I think fines rather than suspensions, will make players think a bit more

UnknownGenius01 you sound very bitter, learn to accept that your team are shit

Neymar, Robben, Sanchez and Saurez at Liverpool.

lol and ronaldo and drogba just to add a few

Nothing ever is...

Funny really, seeing as they themselves talk shit loads of bollocks sometimes.

***** Neville is always spot on.

***** Insightful at least 85% of the time. Howard Webb here gives no insight at all

He'd make a good politician.

Robbie Kenneally Spot on

Lol

Butthurt Liverpool fans. Are you crying scouser?

LfcReviewKing Bitter, bitter Liverpool fan. How many penalties were you given last season, and Slippy G still fucked up the title!

Cavan Man u support chelsea?

Man utd would have no players left.

and your evidence for Rodgers telling his players to dive? suarez doesn't dive anymore than any other professional but it just sticks to him if it does. plus the more tricky the player the more likelihood they will get into situations where they are taken down. I'm not saying that lfc players don't do it but pleace lets not pretend like there are certain teams that do it and managers tell them to because you have no evidence for it

ukguy lol out of all the real consistent cheating teams out there, you pick ManUtd?? is this a bullshit conspiracy theory that you use to make yourself feel less embarrassed about their records i.e league positions etc...compared to what your team has achieved particularly in the last 25years? you pretend there's another reason other than simply your team hasn't been anywhere near as good and consistent as them. I just don't know how you didn't think of teams like Arsenal or Chelsea who are only ever successful when they cheat it seems, at least with ManUtd you can say they win things in style, very convincingly, they've always played many English and British players which is firstly something that should be respected (rather than hating them) and also the majority of them don't have the same "cheating mentality" as many of the foreign players (Arsenal & Chelsea have probably fielded the most foreign players in PremierLeague history and trust me the list of consistent cheats in both Arsenal and Chelsea's history is much longer it's not even close to ManUtd's few, but even many of Chelsea's English players of past and present cheat i.e Terry, Cahill, AshelyCole etc...) when ManUtd win league title's they win at a canter proving they're the best team unlike other clubs when they nick a rare league title now and again off Utd, about 90%of Chelsea's silverware is unconvincing for starters, but they also cheat heavily in order for them to stay in all those cup finals etc...which they end up nicking very narrowly and controversially. Only phonies pretend ManUtd are bigger cheats than other teams because it's just jealousy from you, it's clear people just say it because some other sore loser said it but you can tell their knowledge is actually extremely poor, if they looked at all the incidents they wouldn't say it, it's just fiction created by jealousy. Every little thing with ManUtd get's blown up but they never win trophies because of bad decisions (Chelsea have done many times) and they've lost chances of more silverware because of bad decisions (again, the likes of Chelsea very rarely controversially lose).

just accept the fact - nobody like united

@will ross You've just summed up how many decisions Chelski get on their side that even a ref you claim is ManUtd's best mate has actually given Chel$ea way more decisions than ManUtd lol

Matt Iles I don't get this joke. 😂😂😂

@@salmanfarruz hes the referee i think

Spot on.

Hes always been shit that fella, and his arrogance is fucking annoying, id love to punch him.

Robbie Kenneally Last season he genuinely robbed Chelsea and City EVERY time he referee'd a match featuring them, especially the Chelsea v Sunderland, everytime Chelsea touched the ball he called a foul to stop them gaining momentum, makes you wonder why FIFA haven't brought in technology to do the refereeing AHEMcorruptionAHEM

Ahead of the curve

Another sucker he's with BT though bro

Referees actually have the power to card a player arguing... "Y2"- Dissent by word or action, is translated to sooking to an official... Straight yellow, the issue is referees (Like me) are worried about this because we feel that many yellows will have to be given out...

WSW ARSFC trust man, the key is to understand the difference between when someone is questioning your decision to an extent that it disrespects you or to an extent where they are insulting you.

@WSW ARSFC - but they don't. If anybody but the captain argues the call - Yellow card. Every time. That would stamp out the bullshit in 30 seconds.

Football is a flowing match with no stoppages, sadly those kind of things can not be introduced, or at least should not...

What about all the penalties Chelsea haven't got this season.

Nav Seira So lets turn a blind eye when Chelsea players dive?? ALL players should be punished for this

HullMarkCA obviously all divers should be punished. But then football would be without penaldo and Ashley young

Nav Seira I'm sure the world would be fine without Ashley Young in the game

HullMarkCA brilliant!

Robbie Kenneally that was webb

lol, maybe welbecks pk, but on Evra most definitely a pk

Adnan Chowdhury At Stamford Bridge 2 years ago ? it was clattenburg, he sent off Torres and Ivanovic too, Maybe it was a different match.

Robbie Kenneally Different match. The 3-2 was Clattenberg, Webb was the 3-3 when United were down 3-0. I'm a United fan, Evra was taken down, Welbeck was a bit dubious. But you can't blame a ref for letting a team come back from 3-0.

Robbie Kenneally You dumbass, Clattenburg's match, Chelsea were not 3-0 up.. You should keep your bullshit to yourself....

if the ball is shielded by the defender, but within playing distance then thats fair. once it goes out of the defenders playing distance then that's impeding and should be penalised with an indirect free kick...

im a referee i gave one or two

Écossais Français I agree they do this in the NFL. they get former referees on on Monday Night Football who analysis referees decisions and then explain to the fans.

Did you watch the United and Leicester match then no ?