The developers don’t want to give the community what we want, they never have. Since day one they have not listened and have been openly hostile to us. The glitch bans and rollbacks caused a huge rift and that has never healed. They do not engage and keep us in the dark instead of working with us. This reduced new dev team haven’t learned from the old mistakes and don’t understand how the game they inherited works. Every time they fix one thing they break 10 other things. It would be so easy to keep us happy. Tux gives a good list of the simple stuff they could do. But we all know they don’t listen.
Yeah that isn't going to happen. The devs only want you to play their game the way they want you to. Remember Ubisoft came out said "Gemers should get used to not owning their games"
While I agree with you in theory, but every game has a EULA ( End Users Licensing Agreement) which clearly states otherwise, however. Especially with a live service type game.
And that's why am done with ubisoft and their garbage online games long time ago after they dropped the ball on Ghost Recon breakpoint Game industry is dead.
Great recap and explanation of the state of the game and how devs work. It's laughable to me how some people really think the season character would be amazing considering the awful track records these devs have
I Prefer to have a choice between running your main or a seasonal character so that it at least changes it up a bit. I mean we would still have to run the same content again so a little variety would be welcome.
It could've work no doubt since it FINALLY decided switch things up for the manhunt but noooooooo, since idiots like YOU fucked with the majority of gamers that wanted something different for the seasonal content for once, the majority will fucked you guys back by taking away something so dearly your "kind" care about the most: PvP itself Since Heartland is gone, any chance to fix pvp is gone too & not only pvp will be abandoned in D2, but D3 will be entirely pve only from now onwards & the DZ will be reworked into a high end pve endgame from now onwards mark my words on that cause the minority pvp sideliners will be crushed after this incident.
Was waiting on your take on this. Its really sad what has been happening with this franchise. Im a long time division player since day 1 of Div 1, and to see what is happening here really is upsetting.
So true. The most ridicilous thing is that this all brings up that the ”project resolve” that was the ”reason” for delaying new content is a total bust. We have more critical bugs and things broken than ever and the devs have no clue what to do. And the worst part is that they don’t even try to communicate with honesty and reaspect towards the community.
I loved this game. I came to it late but found it a huge improvement on the first game. But I’ve now just walked away. Ever since the introduction of Year 6 this game has haemorrhaged excellence. It’s a real tragedy.
No offence to the yt community but these kind of critical vids are a couple years too late, no RU-vidr wanted to say this back when Ubisoft was giving them exclusive access to early reviews to heartland and resurgence or trips to Europe for content creators, but now that their channels bread n butter (the division 2) is dying and so is their views, now they wanna apply pressure to the devs🙄
What I want from the Massive Dev is for them to leave their ego at the door and just make the game the community wants. Stop thinking that they knows better and making the game the way they want it. The Massive Dev is still here today, cashing in their paycheck because of the community. Ubisoft wanna stop support for the game years ago and it was thanks to the community that the game is still alive and this shit is what we get for our appreciation.
@@derrickfarbes1805 What do you mean by delivered more than most games? It is a live service. They are suppose to deliver content that the community wants to keep the game alive, So we continue to pay for the season pass, that's their job. Putting in effort is also part of the job. Listen to the community, talk to the community. Don't just throw out some shitty buggy updates and expect us to suck it up. Look at Destiny, Warframe and others online games. Massive is just lucky for the past few years, there aren't any game similar to theirs in the market. How many times have they screw up? Banning players for their buggy games, weapon stats gone missing etc. I can accept some updates are bad, not every update or DLC needs to be good but we can all agree that at this point it is just too much.
@ben_calintz What he means is "they've delivered more than most games". They've continued churning out content even 6 years out. You still play, right? Why TF are you still playing?
I'm in the same boat. There is nothing in this game I haven't done or need. I can't see myself coming back unless New Content comes to the game. Seasonal Characters wasn't new content it was a rinse, scrub and repeat idea of a hard reset for a old game.
Adding to what you said, let's remember there are also other games constantly being released, such as The First Descendant, that might pull players away and serve as a crying shoulder for the heartbreak TD2 is right now.
I know plenty of people who always enjoyed this type legacy story play with other gaming series. This seems like a solid way to go well thinking of the players and of future content to keep drawing people back to the game. I would hate to say it but the guys at COD have a great track record of keeping their fan base engaged with the way they have their content mapped out.
Agree with your suggestions. I also have a suggestion for Division 2. It needs new giant mech/robot/droid boss battle missions and giant mech/robot/droid boss battle countdown. Boss fights need to be monumental, need to be epic. Human boss fights are so anticlimactic
That Stovepipe mission was crazy on Heroic! After you find out he was dead, you go against not one but 2 Maurauders and while you're fighting them, 2+Warhounds are shooting at you. Then after that youre going against a whole mechanized army of drones and mini tanks! It was insane but a good challenge.
Ubi, Tencent and yes, Nexon are all in the same money pot.... so it makes absolute sense that Ubi is killing this title from the inside-out in order to push players to the WAY MORE monetized First Descendant. Just look at all the "positive" push/spin coming from the usual Div2 creators shelling out video after video on how to create and play the new title. Ubi wants nothing more than to drop player count on Div2 servers and convert them to Xdefiant ones, so they can better push their case as a more legitimate eSports title. Well... it was fun while it lasted. Cheers!
But seriously for a moment, Tito Bandito has probably been the best thing to come out of this whole franchise in the last year. And I would absolutely shell out $20-30 for a real one to put on my shelf (right next to all my T-ball trophies). Someone get Funko Pop! on the phone stat!
@@IvoryTaurean The "god-rolled crafting bug" was probably the most exciting thing to happen in Div2 for the past 2 seasons, and the devs pulled an emergency maintenance to take it away. I can maybe remember 1-2 other times in the game's history they pulled an emergency maintenance like that. They intentionally took away something that was increasing player numbers and play time a week before First Descendant came out. Then followed it up with a patch that took away more stuff like Yhaal gear at the clan vendor, and made the apparel event 4 levels instead of the usual 3, just days before their "competition" launched. ....and none of the same YT creators are mentioning a thing about Once Human, 7 Days to Die, Ashfall, Forever Winter, or any other similar title that's also releasing now or soon. This isn't just a title being tanked by poor management. It's redirection. And this is how "influencing" works.
The community wanted survival. Ubisoft wanted to make money instead wasiting years funds and resources then to cancel. Instead they could have put all the energy into Div 2. Idiots. I have barely player Div 2 since the Ubisoft forward used to play everyday and have almost 5K hrs into it. Now playing the first decadent fun easy rewarding game with great community. Nothing is like Division but don't take the community especially Hardcore since Div players for granted. It is us who kept the game alive.
Tux I love this take bro! For the Division Franchise, I think it’s an example of sometimes you gotta take a step back to move forward. They figured it out with Division 1. Maybe they need to look at that ecosystem where pve worked into pve and most, if not all modes felt purposeful
These devs really should take notes from the first descendant devs. They’re really doing an amazing job and are being celebrated by their community. Their communication is top tier and they actually listen to their playerbase. The more that game succeeds the more I wonder what these devs are doing and thinking. They seem so out of touch. It’s not like they had the division 1 to learn from.
There's a lot of "former" players out there and they can bring it back with a lot clearer structure and progression. You look at ANY game with MMORPG elements, whether a true MMORPG or hybrid games like this one; and you look at the successes and the failures and the ONE clear decider is "LINEAR PROGRESSION". X time invested equals Y Rewards; with the only RNG being skins. If I throw on Legendary difficulty and attack a Alert 4 CP; I better get at least ONE exotic component or ONE max roll gear. Put a cap on how many I can get a day if you don't want someone to farm it to death, but I want to know if I am putting X effort I get commiserate reward. I'm relatively new, and I roam the open world in Normal because I still get exotic drops from rando named elites, and while the XP is higher, the stress is much lower. I can talk to my wife, take a call, or take a meeting while working from home on Normal and still get "good" loot while if I amp up the difficulty to "sweaty" I might get more loot, but not equal to effort expended more; and quality is still RNG dependent.
The exotic caches are a case in point: when you get the Chameleon rifle or the same mask or back pack 5 or 6 times in a row it sucks; your will to play this game is just shredded.
1. Whine about old seasons. Get new season concept. 2. Whine about new season concept. Devs go back to the drawing board again. 3. Whine about devs going back to the drawing board. Y'all will never be satisfied, and it shows. They could put out a bug-free DLC, and people will beat it in an hour, just to go back to "there's nothing to do." The team is a tenth of the size it was when WoNY came out, and were allowed to continue developing the game in that state. The game was left for dead, and they were given a second life because people wanted it to be back. Ever since that happened, it has been non-stop complaining from most of the player base, about every little thing (except the incursion). It's as if y'all want the game to die, to a certain degree. It's plain bizarre. If the team was anywhere but Sweden, it wouldn't exist, but they're too nice for all your spoiled behinds.
The only move they have now to get everyone on the same level is a Gear Score 50 regrind, but this would take shitload of work for rebalancing and getting rid of some of the useless gear, guns & talents , they could bring back Div 1 favourites and Div 2 year one talents to get rid of some of the meta we have now
The devs only did this 180 at the exact same time that The First Descendant dropped and showed how bad this game really is. Will The First Descendant ever have sEaSoNaL cHaRaCtErs, no f***ing way.
The first descendant dropped and showed how bad IT is. I know the division has a very clunky story at this point but the story in the first descendant is absolute dog crap.
Yup, The First Descendant only copied Destiny 2 artwork and took the fair monetization model of Warframe and multiplied it by ten without adding anything to the genre. And let's definitely ignore the entire ARPG genre where seasonal characters are a staple and work completely fine. This player base has zero critical thinking skills, I'm sad the devs actually listened to people like you.
@itzJuztThomas n have over 10 million players after a week of release, being PvE only. It's gonna make games like Division 3 be PvE only i promise you that
A great game that has been turned into a dumpster fire. How can a company let something that had so much promise and potential get to this? It's a project that was literally on a plate to continue adding great content and lore. I'm a Div 1 player and supported both games since day one and have sadly uninstalled the game from my pc because I hate seeing how much my time invested into the game, lore and company has been mistreated.
I think then they need a dedicated team to patch and help maintain the server, but then they need a couple other teams developing the added expansions that branch off and back into the game.
Uninspired loot, boring game modes and seasonal characters are all a sign of whoever is in charge of these creative decisions is NOT a The Division 2 player. I’ve been screaming Yannick doesn’t play his own game for years. As the creative director he needs to be fired immediately and replaced with someone who knows and plays this game. A few months back Yannick and some Ubisoft game reporters were playing The Division 2. First they were playing on hard mode. Second no one knew what the current meta in the game was. If Yannick doesn’t know why is he still in charge of our beloved franchise?
A good breakdown. Ngl the title had me thinking yall were gonna dog on the decision to take out seasonal characters. I feel like so many streamers keep saying “the vocal minority” And gaslighting us into feeling bad that massive walked it back. Great vid tho, some great points!
Haven't logged on in over 2 months. It just hit a wall so hard after "Resolve". Im so lost on why they would ditch heartland. Who ever is in charge over at Ubisoft is just so out of touch.
3 hours solo to do the last manhunt on heroic and then turned the game off. I don't have every piece of gear in the game but have what I want, so being a looter game doesn't really matter anymore.
Speaking of dud gear, I finally got that new, weird looking shotgun. I was so excited to FINALLY get a new exotic! All it does is slow down enemy movement speed. 😳
Day one player for D1 and D2 … 9000 SHD … unhealthy number of hours in D1 … and I’m done … uninstalled the game … can’t believe I’m walking away after all these years … I’m tired of caring about a game where the development team does not … so I’ll put in as much effort as they have, which is none …
I love this game. But i simply cannot play the same content over and over again. The only thing that keeps me going is PVP (DZ). But even the DZ is boring me as the amount of people using cronus is crazy. It baffles me that the pvp is abandoned and nothing is done to prevent the cheaters. This week it was the first time i could see that the game is dead. Maybe a lot of people went to play the First Descendant. Its so sad but i guess its best to play other games and wait for Division 3.
I agree sir. These are the successes of the game.: the incursion, dark hours, dark zone, countdown. These are the failures: kenley college, summit, pentagon, darpa labs and most of new york. We need more new missions, new exotics , new weapons , new gear sets etc. I will be glad to pay $ 5.00 a month for new missions.
Tbh, I didn't mind descent since I'm starting to like Rogue-like gamemodes but I'll admit theres a few problems with it. And like everyone here, I didn't like the idea of adding seasonal characters.
Started playing the Division 2 back in late 2019 and played for almost 5k hours. Never complained or whined about all that went wrong, was just accepting it was not perfect in a not perfect world, lol. Recently I was kind of done playing Div2 until they announced that new Season 2.0 thing with the seasonal character that resets when a new season starts, and I was quite happy about that and was waiting for that to be implemented to be back in the game. Then it was cancelled, and I simply uninstalled the game. Farewell Division 2. Waiting for Division 3.
I still think about my old, old hardwired seeker mine build, the one everyone bitched about. Then gear 2.0 happened. To me that is when this game took a giant shit on itself. I still played after that and rebuilt but I hate them for that still to this day.
After 3 years of playing Division 2 I haven’t played since May. I don’t plan on coming back anytime soon. Diablo 4 Season 4 launched in May which has been fun and College Football 25 comes out in a week which I have been waiting for for 12 years . I might check back if I hear good things about the DLC otherwise I won’t be playing Division anymore till Div3
I feel that we the community have helped them fail. Many years ago, they were walking away, letting us know that they were not going to do any more content in the game because they were going work on other titles like Star Wars. We the community did not want that to happen and wanted more content. Millions walked away from this game. The rest that stayed was happy that we were going to get some content from other people who never worked on this game. Most of the original developers of this game either left to work with another company. Or started working in Star Wars. I feel that we got what we deserved because they knew they could not support the division 2, and we forced their hand to find somebody that can work on this game and now look at it. There are so many bugs it’s crazy. Yesterday I had a build with a Momento backpack., I switched to a non-momento backpack build, and I was still got trophies. 😂 but I agree 100% on your assessment on this video.
one the most enraging things about this game too, is the fact that you farm FOR HOURS for a piece of gear with targeted loot in mind, and get literally everything else but whats supposed to be there for targeted loot, example:farming for fenris, get exotic knees, weapons, gear sets, pistols, mods, BUT NO TARGETED LOOT, talk about blatantly trying to push players away. p.s. i still get purple gear on heroic from chests, ive even had purple gear drop on legendary....what a joke, too much invested for no return, game isnt fun or rewarding anymore, now its a time killer when im bored on my day off at best
I quit playing about 3 months ago as it was just getting way too boring lately. Went to FO76 for awhile due to the Fallout TV hype and was thinking about coming back to the Division 2 but.....maybe not from all the negativity I have been hearing lately.
Damage is done. Many of us quit playing or greatly reduced their gametime. I even renewed my subscription to Wow even tho i swore i wasnt going to play anymore Blizz games.
Granted I'm too new to the game to judge the devs track record. But it seems weird. They had this strange plan for seasonal characters which seemed like a mistake from the beginning. The player base didn't like it and made their displeasure known. Now the devs say they want to take the seasonal characters out. But the devs are not listening to the fans? Seems to me like they listened at least on this issue.
As a consistent player over the last few years, I'm officially done with Division. First descendant is looking like it will have a bright future with devs actively fixing and listening to the community. It sucks after all the fun i've had with the division, but honestly it's just time to move on.
I stopped playing as SOON as they announced the seasonal characters! I joined back 4-5 months ago after the big update after being away for 5yrs! For those months i went from 10-418 on a day and night grind loving it (mostly🙄). But now what is the gd point?🤷🏽♂️
Maybe apart from status effect or explosive damage, what other skill builds are there? I want the shortest time to kill load out, why spend 45 mins on any mission when you can complete the same mission with a smg or St Almo build in half the time
Monster Hunter world and elden ring are absolute bangers if you haven’t tried them already. Both have a kind of hard learning curve at first but are masterpieces definitely worth playing.
I think they should turn the college map into another countdown mode. Summit is cool but just not enticing. I'd rather roam and explore. Raids are cool but just not rewarding. Ive played a few times and its just not worth it. I've always loved the gameplay mechanics. This is why I play regardless of anything else.
Me personally i think ubisoft should take their time with division 3. I'd rather have a closer to perfected game with a good amount of content from launch than a broken unpopular game. I want td3 to be a top tier game for years to come
@@mevinsmiley5210 there's literally nothing left of the game. I have maxed every set. I have every exotic. I've ran every piece of content to the point of puking and I'm not sticking around anymore for this buggy POS game.
@steelfuser435 There's plenty to do, you've just done it & don't like it anymore. That's completely fair. My issue is the constant every day complaining about "the bugs" or the imaginary Seasonal Characters scenario or the missing ponytail or whatever. You do you play anymore & I assume you don't bitch & moan every day like most of these people do but if you do, quit bitching.
Normally I have something to add but not at all this time very well said I’ve seen some creators blame people for speaking up against seasonal characters as the reason it may have been pulled back but I believe it was people leaving the game is the real reason the devs normally don’t care if people don’t like something they do it regardless I think for the first time they saw at least the idea of money starting to go out the window and as we’ve seen over the last couple of years Ubisoft has no problem pulling a game no matter how far into development it is they made a business decision not a decision for the community they better hope people actually come back that may only be if first descendent drops the ball but right now they got And1 levels of handling so not sure if that’s happening anytime soon. And that’s me not having anything to add lol good video TB
I've gradually just moved on to other games after over 4000 hours in Div2. They aint gonna give me what i'm looking for, all the points in the video pretty much cover most of it.
I recently purchased GR Breakpoint as it was dirt cheap during summer sale. And i have to say. I'm enjoying it better than Division 2. Certainly took my interest away from Division 2. Like how long can you bring yourself to grind the same thing day in and say out? Sure, trying out different builds help but even that wears out after a few hours. And the current content drought is simply not helping. Literally any new game will take your attention away. Also i get the feeling that the game will be substantially broken as the seasonal characters plan is getting scrapped. I didn't support the seasonal characters thing but from their discussions, it seemed like they already started implementing stuff to tailor the game to it. Now they have to change everything again and we already know what happens when they try to make the simplest of changes in the code. A mere update introduces 100 new bugs.
Tux, I didn't see call of duty listed. But, that seems relatively close to what they were kind of heading towards. Different, but similar.... I thought Heartland was going to be like that.... Free open server with seasonal content and then open up the story play more with additional storylines gear and characters.
Also, they could even extend that where some of the added storylines takes them through parts of the DZ to introduce a broader story, as well as DZ specific gear and DZ specific storylines, for after they complete the purchased game. Well leaving the open servers available for people to run through the open server storyline. But, again.... They need people not just playing the game and creating feedback... They need developers who listen to the feedback and hopefully take the time to play with the players at times, or at least want to see their game succeed.
But, all of this is money, and who knows what their budget is like especially since they are slowly losing fan base, which equals current and future revenue.
No, the community wasn't "in an uproar" about seasonal characters, a very vocal minority of RU-vid creators got upset. The pitchforks came out and people started clutching their beloved Strikers gear at the horrible thought of a gear change. Quite honestly this probably is the end of the game... because the developers caved to the people complaining about a concept they haven't even seen yet. Any positive energy and momentum at the Studio just got flushed, and there are probably talks about canning the franchise... What did complaining get you, several months of stale Strikers/ Elmo's, and a rushed DLC which is going to be a dumpster fire.
Devs are unbelievable stubborn ,why would you want to make players happy??!! isn't that the whole point ?? Devs destroy any funny of the game by constantly manipulate npsc , they give something but in the same time they ad more small changes that drives players away . We're is enough?! We shouldn't be worried about npsc crazy skills precision sponge bullets, we should enjoying game by creating new builds new strategies , new weapons ,simple we need more new missions , every game has end game. You can't just keep increasing more lvl and buff npcs wtf of system is that , you ad new content to keep players engaged
Game is dead to late to little or nothing at all more like it community breaking apart clans leaving . Beyond fixable now was hard enough to keep people playing before this
Y'all litetally made up an imaginary scenario on how the game was GOING to run with Seasonals & got the devs to reverse course even though it possibly could have been positive for the game. Y'all whine & moan about not having anything new then the devs try to do something new & y'all cry & complain & get it yeeted with absolutely ZERO knowledge of how it would work bc CoNtEnT cReAtOrS told you to cry like them. This cOmMuNiTy is absurd.
@Derivedwhale45 Censorship absolutely not. "Stand your ground" absolutely. The devs need to tell these babies to ____ ___ & play something else. Valid criticisms or suggestions are one thing. Stomping feet & throwing digital hissy fits needs to be either completely ignored or savagely mocked.
very true,,, great thoughts. i was thinking about the seasonal character , in my thoughts i thought it was going to be similiar to hardcore thought we are going to cross the bridge naked and start like hardcore/survival and in the end fight her and keener. glad i was wrong. basically i think the kelso manhunt said it all in the cabin about the virus outbreak its global so i think D3 will take us world wide or atleast it should. I think as we cross the bridge should also aqcure Diamond skills , i mean who doesnt want their own murder dog or crazy bullistic drone ? what an intro for D3. just a Dreamer i know
