The incredible thing about David Tennant and Matt Smith is that they were known for being among the most fun-loving and friendly Doctors, yet could also be the most sinister.
I think they are the best ones, so powerful and deep, at the same time. Particulary, Matt Smith. One of my favourites scenes is when Rory went to a Cyberman Crusader to get his baby back, dressed as a knight, and the Cybermans ask him why they should fear him, then he says they shouldn't, they should fear the doctor. After that, all the Cyberman's ships exploded in the sky. Matt Smith's Doctor seems the most happy and outgoing of them, but he wouldn't accept any more losses, he would burn all the skies in order to avoid that. Sadly, this was far from being enough
Elliott Blakemore He wasn't turning evil, he just acknowledged the truth about himself. He knew he was exceptional. But he also knew that didn't make him better. That's why he saved Wilf over himself.
@@Ranger1812 Ironically, it's a realization like that which truly made him exceptional. Anyone can be arrogant, vain, have a god complex. It takes someone special to admit- even with all that power- that they are equal to everyone else.
I saw 11 as rather intimidating when he was angry. But that paled when 10 started slipping. He wasn’t intimidating, he was utterly terrifying. That wire thin line into becoming a monster.
The entire Waters of Mars episode was really _really_ dark. It is one of the most memorable ones, that I still vividly remember 4 years since I’ve seen any episode.
schoolterrorist damn that sucks. No one really talked about it when I was in school. At least that I remember but my memory is shot so I don’t really know.
Rishiraj Bhowmick 11 just had tons of guilt for his entire existence, though he still had fun. 10 remembers, regrets everything, with that dark side. 12 was just dark, nothing playful, just dark. The 13th is just- She has no personality.
@@cityguard4847 I really thought this most recent season, they were going somewhere with 13. Like very occasionally she would do something like raise her voice and I was like 'oh yeah here it comes' and then it would just fizzle out. I'm absolutely furious about it, why won't they let her show anger??!?!
Eden Sanden showing the doctors anger is one way to go, but it’s certainly not the only way. We’ve had four in a row who all had pretty palpable rage, I don’t want that to be the new normal. I don’t think the Chibnall era is excellent so far, but I think it’s mostly pretty good. And after Matt Smith was given about forty repetitive “badass” angry speeches I welcome the change. The doctor’s personality is supposed to be different, that’s the nature of regeneration. I feel like everyone is really upset that 13 isn’t following all the exact same beats as 10, 11 and 12
The Doctor having his darker moments is what makes Doctor Who so great for me. Makes the character more nuanced instead of being a straight up good hero.
Thirteens dark moments: Almost never happen cause her characters expressed via her tardis fam Dont get a chance to be expressed because she's never defeated and or in a hopeless situation (apart from the timeless child, which doesnt really count because she was trapped for like ten minutes) Are just fucking weak because she never has any long speeches, and any talk she does have simply isnt as impactful as anything any of the other four docters before her produced.
@@Lauren-pq3qx tbh I thought it got slightly dark when that queen was asking her about dead planets, but it definitely would be nice to see some darker moments from her, I will say I did like the whole revenge against Tim Shaw thing though it kinda showed the doctors effect on companions
@@Lauren-pq3qx The issue with the 13th Doctor was that the writers wanted to move on from the "You'd be a good Dalek", that 9 through 12 had. That is what 12th final speech was for. He literally told his future self that "Hatred is foolish and love is always wise." and to "Never be cruel, never be cowardly" what were the key aspects of the darkness those 4 Doctors had. With that speech the writers made the cut and making just another "Doctor of War" like the glass called it would throw this entire scene out of the window. The writers, each and every single one of them, still screwed up writing Jodie a good script on that premise, but the direction made absolut sence.
@@Lauren-pq3qx i feel as though that it was the writing that let 13 down, not Jodie. She’s an incredible actress and she plays the doctor very well, the only issue with the 13th doctor is the writing. I do hope it improves next season
The fact that we got a confirmed suicide in that episode _because_ The Doctor put himself first was very dark ;-; Then again, A Town Called Mercy was great too in my opinion, when The Doctor almost killed someone out of spite.
@@jackofalltrades6718 you COULD argue the point THAT character commited war crimes and the doctors action were justified! but by the time we got to 11th HE commited genocide at least twice, and was to do it again on his change, our doctor is FAAAAAAR from innocent!
Actually it wasn’t the first time. At the very beginning of the show, the first doctor was a selfish and cowardly bastard who in his first episode kidnapped two schoolteachers out of fear, considered killing a caveman with a rock just because he was slowing them down, and then pretended that the TARDIS was broken just so that he and his companions could go and explore the potentially dangerous city which turned out to be where the Daleks were living. But over the course of season 1 he slowly softened up and by season 2 he was much more like the Doctor we now know and love.
The 10th Doctor showed us that his companions are the key thing that humanizes him. His solo episodes, particularily The Waters Of Mars, shows us who he his without others.
oh please, he had spent the time between "Runaway Bride" and first episode of S3, alone in the Tardis. same happened in between first episode of S4 and 2007 special. not to mention being The Master's prisoner for an entire year. the time you're talking about which is by the way, brief, was when he just chose to be alone after so many losses and having his heart being broken over and over
I think any Doctor could have been a great Master. It’s only a thin line before the Doctor becomes his best friend. Imagine 11, but evil. That childish demeanor becomes sick. Or 12 his complete sociopath moments stop being funny when he’s genuinely trying to kill everyone
Doctors like Chris and Tennant always had this raging presence about them, then you've got doctors like Sylvester, Matt and Capaldi who could just switch between being kind hearted and crap your pants scary
tbh i've felt David be the more Crap your pants scary than the others. Like 10 is extremely cheery and lovely and kind but when he gets dark, he gets DARK
and they learnt from the original, 2nd! 7th was the darkest of all the doctors, but dont believe any of the others were innocent, they were far from it!
I would have included the time he let/made an entire race die because the matriarch couldn’t remember the name of one of the girls she killed. (Vampires in Venice)
For me that's the darkest 11th doctor moment. Everything about the episode felt uneasy with the 11th doctor because anger didn't fit his character yet Matt Smith played it very well.
@@nivaneh1010 yeah it is weird to me as well. Matt is my favourite doctor, yet all that anger felt kind of weird for a doctor, but it was just so well acted and written that it just worked.
Moffat and Davies really knew how to make the Doctors sounds dark ESPECIALLY Davies. 10's slow decent into a complete god complex is still one of my favourite things to watch from the series.
10th was really dark. He was still recovering from him being “The Warrior” and then Rose happened, his hope into becoming a better men, and he lost her. That broke him, made him realize he could not save everyone (She didn’t die, of course, but she got lost in a different dimension) he went through such a hard time after that, you can see it. But then Martha came, she may have not relieve him from his pain, but she helped him with her friendship and her support. But then, Donna came into the picture, she not only made him snapped out of his bullshit angsty pity party (I know he was suffering, but still lol) and helped him become the man he was supposed to be, the man he knew he would become with Rose, the man Martha was hoping and reaching for, the man that The Doctor himself wanted to be...he was underbaked, and Donna, in Pompei, gave him a choice: because being “that man” is a choice. That is why when 12th appeared, as a warrior more than the Doctor that 9th was scared of, 10th build up and 11th almost got; that broke him again (and Clara missing 11th was the clue), he was lost until he remembered...his face, his face came from that moment in Pompei when Donna helped him make his choice of being the man he was meant to be. And he remembered, his own self gave him a post-it note on “What the Doctor is” as a new face. The face of hope.
Marithé Tuyub See, and that’s the problem with the 13th doctor. She isn’t dark. She’s just a happy, fluffy puppy dog. We need the doctor, the time lord who has been sacred, the one who needs to be told when to stop, the one whose life is barely worth living.
"Brother of Mine" isn't saying that The Doctor never in his existence raised his voice. It was just in that one story when he punished the Family Of Blood, he never yelled *at them.* He spoke calmly even in his wrath. It made their punishment all the more unsettling to him because The Doctor was completely temperate,
10 did a really good job of slowly coming to terms with his own death. He went through the stages of denying the destiny laid out for him, trying to become the cheater of time he could always become, but slowly coming to terms with his inevitable death.
That Cassandra death scene is underrated. The way he says 'everything has its time and everything dies ' is why Chris Eccleston is my favourite and its a great way to introduce his more vengeful personality
He was pretty good. He's one of the few individual Daleks to have an actual character. I really want the Emperor Dalek to come back and lead his children once again.
@@nikorobinson317 i was scaredof daleks as a kid now i think how could they be scary with only one eye an egg beater and a toilet plunger and originally they could nt go upstairs
The Doctor: "If you think because she is dead that I am weak, then you understand very little. If you had anything to do with killing her, and you're not afraid, then you understand nothing at all. So for your own sake, understand this: I am The Doctor. I'm coming to find you. And I will never, ever stop." The man said this line for *4.6 BILLION YEARS.*
@Coconut Pal Clara. It was in one of the most captivating Doctor Who episodes ever: Heaven Sent. I won't give the game away so I don't give spoilers, but suffice it to say the Clara's death was in the previous episode, which this one follows.
“I’ve gone too far.” That really hits you. The Doctor has all this power but restrains his/her self to not miss use it. But in that moment the doctor realized that he had gone to far.
I loved it when Tennant said he controls the laws of times and all of that stuff. just wish they would actually do that in the show and that the Doctor would actually break the laws of time.
They were so close with the timelord victorious stuff, they coudlve carried on the xmas special with him in full swing finally turning into the Valeyard.
6:29 No matter how many times I'm reminded that the line is "Fear me. I've killed all of them." I always remember the line as "Fear me. I killed the rest."
Nothing from Peter? Or the time when the Doctor slammed the door on Amy! Leaving her to die alone, after waiting years to be saved!? After forcing Rory to decide!
I feel like, while Peter definitely had his darker moments he was the doctor who would finally remembered that the Doctor was a symbol of hope and that he has to live up to the reputation he has built.
@@perkele2040 I would have included his threat to Me, to save Clara or else he'd destroy everything she'd worked for. That is the Doctor breaking down and becoming closer to The Master than ever before. "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!" Is what the Doctor is screaming. That, and the Zygon Inversion, the speech about understanding. "AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES!! I hear more screams than you could ever imagine..." Both are incredibly dark moments for Capaldi's Doctor.
This is why The Doctor needs his companions, especially Ten. Like Donna once said “Sometimes he needs someone to stop him.” I think perhaps his loneliness changes into arrogance and rage.
Chinball needs to watch this, he isn't writing 1200 years of emotion into Jodie's incarnation and it's what is killing the show. He wouldn't know a story arc if it traveled back in time and punched him in his baby chinball face.
I have nothing against Jodie, it’s the shitty writing that makes her incarnation not so tolerable. I’ve watched Broadchurch so she can definitely do dark and nuanced, the writers just need to give it to her!!!! She’d do a really good job I think
I always found 11's darker moments the more impactful for them being so unusual compared to his general happy demeanor. Also, it was quite frequently done in a more subtle way, and i think sometimes the better for it, than others.
@Winter Wren Yeah, you're really wrapped up in the moment, and then it kinda hits you. Similar to with General Runaway, when the Doctor is both angry and in control, he can be terrifying. Like he said, good men don't have so many rules.
Nothing’s darker than “Yes you can, and you will, or I will expose this tiny little street to the whole laughing world. l’ll bring UNIT, I’ll bring Zygons. Give me a minute, I’ll bring Daleks and the Cybermen. You will save Clara Oswald or I’ll rain the hell on you for the rest of your life.” “The Doctor is not here, you are stuck with me! I will end you, and everything you love.”
"I was lost a long time ago. [She wasn't saving me,] she was saving _you._ I'll do my best, but I strongly advise you keep out of my way. _You'll find it's a very small universe when I'm angry with you."_
11 was dark sometimes but it was more intimidating 10 was absolutely terrifying because yes his rage and anger slipped out every once in awhile but during the 3rd season and the 4th season you can see him just slipping away. The 10th doctor is the most emotionally and mentally unstable doctor. Like most of the episodes is him just trying not to breakdown.
Jenny Cull I agree but the writing is bad but 13 is missing the darkness that can make the doctor so...fantastic without it she can never truly be the doctor to me.It is what really enforced how the doctor is not a hero as he repeatedly says he is just a madman with a box . So in conclusion the doctor can never be the doctor without the anger and sadness and that is why 13 is so poorly received
I love the moments of the show where they let the Doctor's PTSD, they show the reasoning behind how he acts and why he's so merciless in some aspects. And yet why he's so forgiving in others. His life, mind and mind has been ruined by what he's done, what he became.
That line in a town called mercy: all the people died because of my mercy I really liked that part too, simple line but powerful, in total 11's anger made me frightened the most
Not including the part in 42 when he told Martha he was scared? I'd never seen him do that before- he'd *been* scared before, but he'd never admitted it like that
I have a theory that the Doctor has almost a faith or belief in cosmic universal fate. He mentions multiple times that he gets no reward from the universe for what he does, that it only get's darker the more he saves it, the more he saves the more it needs saving. I feel like he believes that he's at odds with the universe, that it's a controlling force against him all the time
I miss 12th Doctor's "The Doctor is no longer here, you are stuck with me!" as this really sent the Chills up and down my Spin. but it's good as it is :D
The end of The Waters of Mars was so good, you could tell he was filled with pure rage, I really think we need more of that Doctor. Viewers need to be reminded that The Doctor isn't just any old person with a box like the 13th Doctor has become. Viewers need to be reminded that he is man to be feared, he is a Time Lord with a TARDIS and could easily use the TARDIS to wipe out all existence in the universe if he wanted.
Second Sense what you said there really proves that a female doctor isn’t ideal. An angry male is far more scarier than a boring female alongside a writer (Chibnall) that has completely changed Doctor Who in the worst of ways. Not even Russell could fix this and it’s really disappointing isn’t it
Bart Allen who you are is who you fall as... without context you see a lot of darkness, but that darkness is of a very very broken individual who still...never would.
this is where you are reminded this IS the man who fought in the time war, and honestly believed he wiped out his own race, the darkness, the mass murderer is STILL there, its tempered but in no way has it gone away!
The Doctor throws Kahler-Jex out of Mercy, grabs a gun, cocks the trigger and points it at him Kahler-Jex: You wouldn't... The Doctor: I genuinely don't know
3:50 “Everything had its time and everything dies.” I think that quote is so telling because he will NEVER die. He can NEVER die. And he knows it. He’s watched so many people and friends and enemies die that he’s accepted it. And for all he can he can never die. Even though he knows it SHOULD be life’s path.
4:36 “They all died. Do you know who that leaves? ME! It’s taken me all these years to realize the laws of time are mine. And they will OBEY ME.” I think this quote is a reflection of his desperation. He talks of how he knows the laws of life and how everyone must die. How he is the last one. He is the exception. He is trying to regain some control over the passage of time. He says he has acceptance but he uses his pain and power to constantly save people. It kills him every time he can’t. Constantly asking why they have to die, and why he doesn’t.
7:48 I'm still convinced that this moment was actually David Tennant being mad about how HE won't be The Doctor anymore, because #10 should know that he can still regenerate, so why is he so mad about not being able to do so much more?
To explain the in universe reason behind this understand that 10 already used a regeneration whilst keeping his face, and although he doesn't exist at this time the war doctor also used one of lives meaning this is his last regeneration until the time lords grant him a new set of regenerations.
I love the Tenth Doctor so much, but it's really surprising and scary how he can become so utterly terrifying and that's one of the things I like about him, because it reminds me of his past and who he is. Also, his wrath is impressive...
The 11th was the darkest imo he hid behind a baby face and childish actions but when 11 was angry it felt like he would burn everything and anyone, and do unspeakable things. That why Matt is so underrated he made me actually fear the Doctor, and it fit very well with the natural regeneration progression Edit: The way he switched from childish to angry and then back again was the biggest thing
I think when the 11th Doctor got angry and became all dark and sinister it was the scariest because he was overall so loving and childish and it contrasted greatly with his normal behaviour.
Who else thinks that the speech at Akaten is so emotional because he is basically living through all of his life’s all the highs all the lows and especially when he "killed" all the Timelords
Love the irony of Devros trying to psycho-babble The Doctor by trying the "we're not so different you and I" speech. Dude, you created a race with the express purpose of killing existence down to a submolecular level, while your antagonist has been solo'ing your entire engineered species of talking wartanks for centuries. One initiated the hostile action, the other one's trying to stop it. Like saying that a parent who kills their child's murderer is as bad as the child murderer himself because they both killed.
That’s the thing. You take away the circumstances and they have similar traits. Especially to Davros’ warped view. Genius intellect Committed atrocities Created weapons/soldiers out of people. Possibly mad.
That scene is a lot darker than you give it credit, I think. Look at it as if Davros and the daleks are lawful evil. They follow a code or belief structure, even if its "kill everything that isn't dalek." They're predictable, and the audience can accept their motivations even if they don't agree. The Children of Time (as Davros refers to the Doctor's current/past companions) are mostly neutral/chaotic good. They have the potential to do anything regardless of rules, and they'll often ignore personal morals if they believe it to be the right choice. They sometimes make these choices regardless of consequences, even when the end result will end in deaths. Even their fellow companions can't see how dangerous that mindset is, shown in how Rose cheered on the others laying traps while she/Ten were captive. Because the companions can't be easily predicted, and because they have free thought and will, the Doctor inadvertently created an army potentially more devastating than Davros's daleks. And that is the legacy that Davros wanted the Doctor to see.
@jager64xxx xxxpanzer With the exception that the Daleks have consistently, repeatedly and remorselessly tried to eradicate EXISTENCE ITSELF. Trying to liken an omnicidal, hateful, xenophobic, genetically psychopathic (no, really, they are), not to mention FICTIONAL, to the cultures the westerners found frankly says more about you than anything else. And to expand; The Doctor makes mistakes, he KNOWS he makes mistakes. However, his 'moral ground' is significantly enhanced considering that the Daleks have not once tried to not kill every other being they came across, with their sole exception trying to change that because he was infected (his own words btw) with human genes -and he got promptly killed for it. If the Daleks had, even once in their thousands of years of in-universe existence tried to coexit, you might have had a point there, but they never did. Frankly, eradicating the Daleks isn't 'genocide' so much as putting a rabid dog down. So, yeah, sorry, but the Doctor isn't a hypocrite, he's just faced with the issue "if the Daleks live, inevitably, they will at some point succeed at destroying all of existence". He's not going out there picking fights; he's trying to keep them from fighting (and killing) EVERYTHING ELSE.
Jodie deserves a better screenwriter. She's an amazing actress but her doctor is so shallow because Chibnall insists on writing bedtime stories rather than sci to scenarios that pushes the doctor to decide between hard moral choices
In classic DW, it was incredibly rare for the Doctor to travel alone. So it was interesting to explore that side of the Doctor, what happens when he's alone. Ten of course experienced this the most and he was still basically dealing with the Time War. He lost three companions fairly close together and he also had some of the most complicated relationships with his companions as well. Added to that he was incredibly vain. Brilliant and he knew it. He had to be stopped.
stopped at what? you people only consider one action of him as evil which may or may not have had negative effects and still it was nothing compared to some crimes which doctors before and after him did and you gloss over them
There are a few moments in Eleven that register to me as not necessarily dark, but surprisingly cold, like pulling Amy away from Rory and flying the TARDIS away in Cold Blood or lying to and shutting the door on the old Amy in The Girl Who Waited. I sometimes got the sense that he was so sick of losing friends after Ten that he would twist the heavens to protect Amy specifically, and if he had to choose between saving Amy and saving another person the other person would suddenly mean nothing to him. But in stories like Girl Who Waited and God Complex, he starts to realize that it won't change the ending to the story and decides to give Amy and Rory their lives back.
The 10th Doctor’s freak out before he regenerates gets me every time. He tried to save everyone and help the universe but he still lost everything. Then when he says “I don’t wanna go” before he changes, it really hits me in the feels. He could’ve done a lot more and really changed for the better.
2:03 “The Rings of Akhaten” is what happens when you come up with an incredible speech, and just chuck together a dull story to release the speech along with. That speech deserves FAR better.
I love that you put a couple different types of "dark" in this. Most people just equate it to being sinister or morbid, but some of these were none of those but were still so beautifully dark. Loved it.
The Timelord Victorious was always my favorite and I didn't realize until recently that the reason why is because it's a satisfying way to show how much the Doctor hurt after loosing so many people and how that grief changed him as it kept happening. "In the end, they break my heart." But especially in The Waters of Mars he realized that he was the one policing time, it was up to him and only him, that he knew of. (I'm still don't believe that he just so happen to forgot that he hid Gallifrey just for him to suffer and have guilt for no reason, but that is my own opinion) In that moment, he decided that it was up to him and changed time. He crossed a line and felt justified because he is the last Time Lord, why couldn't he? And it's terrifying to see one with that much power abuse it. It was cool to see that side of him explored.
What about the time he said "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." Basically he's saying "i'm a very bad man, but i try very hard not to be. Don't give me a reason to stop trying"
To be fair, most of the times in this video he wasn't dark, just very emotional. He was really dark in the waters of mars, i think darker than ever before and after...
Wow, impressive, that is, even though the doctor changed his face, he was still the same man. What I liked the most was remembering when the doctor said what he thought to his enemies and remembered that his life had not been easy, he shouted and was angry because he wanted to save his companions, but when he knew that he could not do anything else, they were They reproached him since they always thought that he could do whatever he wanted. I liked to remember the dark and intense moments of the doctor.
"THREE KNOCKS IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING!" has been one of my favorite moments in Doctor Who since I was twelve/thirteen years old(my b-day passed halfway through the "Who-athon") when me and my family watched all of new who start to finish in preparation for "The Day of the Doctor" on the 50th anniversary. There will likely never be another doctor that captures the same energy as Ten.
When 10 started slipping in to his "time lord victorious" mind set it was pretty dark to see the man who had been so against abusing his power to give in to that temptation
The hungry earth episode, when Ambrose collects weapons and the 11th doctor calmly tells her to put them away. No speech, no raised voice, just a single icy command. It's amazing just how well Smith portrays his emotion through facial expression alone. We don't see the doctor being nice, we see him threatening. It isn't a charming smile on his face, it's a vicious smirk, full of malice and cruel fury, telling her "you've been severely warned and I won't tell you again" and quite frankly his face at that point terrifies me, because you know full well what he's capable of if she disobeys him and he's incredibly aware of it himself. That moment is 11 thinking "oh just try it lady, see what happens if you cross me".